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		<title>By: SCEagle</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/02/28/bush-pushes-fisa-reform/comment-page-2/#comment-262222</link>
		<dc:creator>SCEagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 04:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a suggestion on how we might get their attention...

&lt;a href=&quot;http://sceaglewings.blogspot.com/2008/03/america-unprotected.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Condom Campaign&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a suggestion on how we might get their attention&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://sceaglewings.blogspot.com/2008/03/america-unprotected.html" rel="nofollow">Condom Campaign</a></p>
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		<title>By: lgm</title>
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		<dc:creator>lgm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;garyt&lt;/strong&gt; said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;How is LGM on the 2nd amendment? &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Personally, I think the second amendment refers to National Guard -- &quot;A well regulated militia ...&quot;.  I think the framers made it ambiguous as a compromise because they couldn&#039;t agree.

&lt;blockquote&gt;How will your Muslim friends treat that once they are in power?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The US is in no danger of being taken over by my Muslim friends.  Even your friend soap agrees:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Yo, dum-dum. They are not going to march down the streets. They fly planes into buildings. They gas people. They will use any means to kill you.

Get a freakin clue.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If you can&#039;t get your paranoia straight, how can you expect me to?

OK -- got to go now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>garyt</strong> said:</p>
<blockquote><p>How is LGM on the 2nd amendment? </p></blockquote>
<p>Personally, I think the second amendment refers to National Guard &#8212; &#8220;A well regulated militia &#8230;&#8221;.  I think the framers made it ambiguous as a compromise because they couldn&#8217;t agree.</p>
<blockquote><p>How will your Muslim friends treat that once they are in power?</p></blockquote>
<p>The US is in no danger of being taken over by my Muslim friends.  Even your friend soap agrees:</p>
<blockquote><p>Yo, dum-dum. They are not going to march down the streets. They fly planes into buildings. They gas people. They will use any means to kill you.</p>
<p>Get a freakin clue.</p></blockquote>
<p>If you can&#8217;t get your paranoia straight, how can you expect me to?</p>
<p>OK &#8212; got to go now.</p>
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		<title>By: garyt</title>
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		<dc:creator>garyt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 06:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still waiting LGM I thought you never leave well I know you appreciate your 4th amendment rights. How will your Muslim friends treat that once they are in power? As always I am just wondering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still waiting LGM I thought you never leave well I know you appreciate your 4th amendment rights. How will your Muslim friends treat that once they are in power? As always I am just wondering.</p>
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		<title>By: garyt</title>
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		<dc:creator>garyt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 02:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of  Amendments how is LGM on the 2nd Amendment? I would suspect he is against it and would want guns banned. My very liberal sister who is against guns was robbed by gun point 2 weeks ago in her apartment. Now she has a gun, gun permit and has taken shooting lessons. When libs get confronted by reality they get a litte more conservative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of  Amendments how is LGM on the 2nd Amendment? I would suspect he is against it and would want guns banned. My very liberal sister who is against guns was robbed by gun point 2 weeks ago in her apartment. Now she has a gun, gun permit and has taken shooting lessons. When libs get confronted by reality they get a litte more conservative.</p>
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		<title>By: JHSII</title>
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		<dc:creator>JHSII</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 01:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Through all of this is one constant - lgm and mpChops want the terrorists to have secure communications so that after the next attack they can blame Bush for not connecting the dots that they refused to let him have.

A few facts:
1) There has been no illegal activity by the telecoms in cooperating with the Bush administration in intercepting terrorist communications. If there had been, the justus department - the same ones who threw the book at the two border agents Ramos and Compean - would have beaten a path to the door of the courtroom to get convictions against the said telecoms.
The &lt;em&gt;immunity&lt;/em&gt; is to prevent civil lawsuits designed to extort millions in damages for crimes that never occurred.

2) The Bush administration isn&#039;t spying on Americans.
If bin laden calls mullah omar - and the call is routed through the United States - &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; is the issue in discussion. That is what we are trying to intercept - not if lgm or mpChops calls the local pizza place ordering pizza. Nobody cares if lgm or mpChops orders pizza. We care a lot if bin laden calls mullah omar and orders a hit on a fat, juicy American target.

3) People who are not citizens of the United States do not have the same rights under the US Constitution as people who are citizens. This one should be obvious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Through all of this is one constant &#8211; lgm and mpChops want the terrorists to have secure communications so that after the next attack they can blame Bush for not connecting the dots that they refused to let him have.</p>
<p>A few facts:<br />
1) There has been no illegal activity by the telecoms in cooperating with the Bush administration in intercepting terrorist communications. If there had been, the justus department &#8211; the same ones who threw the book at the two border agents Ramos and Compean &#8211; would have beaten a path to the door of the courtroom to get convictions against the said telecoms.<br />
The <em>immunity</em> is to prevent civil lawsuits designed to extort millions in damages for crimes that never occurred.</p>
<p>2) The Bush administration isn&#8217;t spying on Americans.<br />
If bin laden calls mullah omar &#8211; and the call is routed through the United States &#8211; <em>that</em> is the issue in discussion. That is what we are trying to intercept &#8211; not if lgm or mpChops calls the local pizza place ordering pizza. Nobody cares if lgm or mpChops orders pizza. We care a lot if bin laden calls mullah omar and orders a hit on a fat, juicy American target.</p>
<p>3) People who are not citizens of the United States do not have the same rights under the US Constitution as people who are citizens. This one should be obvious.</p>
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		<title>By: Neocon News » Afternoon round up.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neocon News » Afternoon round up.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: On-my-soap-box</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/02/28/bush-pushes-fisa-reform/comment-page-2/#comment-256389</link>
		<dc:creator>On-my-soap-box</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On February 28th, 2008 at 3:36 pm, &lt;blockquote&gt;mpChops said: 
I do think its ironic that you say “the Dimocraps are using fear to perpetuate what they are really doing – a power grab” and defend the goverment’s request by saying that “I should think you would be more worried about them then an alleged illegal activity.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Nice try chops – I just caught this.  I am going to believe you misread.  The &quot;them&quot; was referring to terrorists.  Please go back and read it (#102).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On February 28th, 2008 at 3:36 pm,<br />
<blockquote>mpChops said:<br />
I do think its ironic that you say “the Dimocraps are using fear to perpetuate what they are really doing – a power grab” and defend the goverment’s request by saying that “I should think you would be more worried about them then an alleged illegal activity.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Nice try chops – I just caught this.  I am going to believe you misread.  The &#8220;them&#8221; was referring to terrorists.  Please go back and read it (#102).</p>
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		<title>By: On-my-soap-box</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/02/28/bush-pushes-fisa-reform/comment-page-2/#comment-256376</link>
		<dc:creator>On-my-soap-box</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel your pain Barry, I feel you pain.  That would be waaaaaayyyy too easy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel your pain Barry, I feel you pain.  That would be waaaaaayyyy too easy.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry F.</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/02/28/bush-pushes-fisa-reform/comment-page-2/#comment-256366</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;On February 28th, 2008 at 3:40 pm, lgm said: 

I don’t leave. I’m with you always, like Tinkerbell.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

:lol:

The temptation is so great to take that and run with it.  But, I must exercise some self-restraint, even when it is just handed to me like that.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>On February 28th, 2008 at 3:40 pm, lgm said: </p>
<p>I don’t leave. I’m with you always, like Tinkerbell.</p></blockquote>
<p> <img src='http://michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The temptation is so great to take that and run with it.  But, I must exercise some self-restraint, even when it is just handed to me like that.  <img src='http://michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Barry F.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;On February 28th, 2008 at 3:09 pm, On-my-soap-box said: 

We do not need to waste resources in the courts where lawyers will make millions placing ads on TV: “If you think you might be a victim of an illegal wire tap call Butthead &amp; As_hat, attorneys at law. We are here to keep you safe.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

ROFLMAO

Had I had drink in my mouth, my computer would be ruined!  Ruined, I tell you!  Too funny, Soap.  :lol:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>On February 28th, 2008 at 3:09 pm, On-my-soap-box said: </p>
<p>We do not need to waste resources in the courts where lawyers will make millions placing ads on TV: “If you think you might be a victim of an illegal wire tap call Butthead &amp; As_hat, attorneys at law. We are here to keep you safe.</p></blockquote>
<p>ROFLMAO</p>
<p>Had I had drink in my mouth, my computer would be ruined!  Ruined, I tell you!  Too funny, Soap.  <img src='http://michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: On-my-soap-box</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/02/28/bush-pushes-fisa-reform/comment-page-2/#comment-256363</link>
		<dc:creator>On-my-soap-box</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lgm,

 I will take it slow as you are a liberal.

Nobody needs reminding about the Constitution.  You, however, just use it as an attempt to rub the Second and Forth Amendments.  

If they are welcome, how does that affect my Fourth Amendment right?  If they bust in on accident (and that has happened from time to time even before FISA and 9/11 and dare I say will happen in the future as well), they will make it right and I have the option to bring a complaint if they do not.  I think you will find that in almost every case of accidental entry, there was a settlement.  You would be hard pressed to find otherwise.

Who blew the whistle – Dimocraps.  Who is stalling – Dimocraps.  Who does it help? Me?  I think not.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m mot at all worried that Osamah Bin Laden and Hugo Chavez will march down the streets of Topeka forcing women to wear Burkas and dance to Latin music.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yo, dum-dum.  They are not going to march down the streets.  They fly planes into buildings.  They gas people.  They will use any means to kill you.

Get a freakin clue.

Cluck, cluck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lgm,</p>
<p> I will take it slow as you are a liberal.</p>
<p>Nobody needs reminding about the Constitution.  You, however, just use it as an attempt to rub the Second and Forth Amendments.  </p>
<p>If they are welcome, how does that affect my Fourth Amendment right?  If they bust in on accident (and that has happened from time to time even before FISA and 9/11 and dare I say will happen in the future as well), they will make it right and I have the option to bring a complaint if they do not.  I think you will find that in almost every case of accidental entry, there was a settlement.  You would be hard pressed to find otherwise.</p>
<p>Who blew the whistle – Dimocraps.  Who is stalling – Dimocraps.  Who does it help? Me?  I think not.</p>
<blockquote><p>I’m mot at all worried that Osamah Bin Laden and Hugo Chavez will march down the streets of Topeka forcing women to wear Burkas and dance to Latin music.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yo, dum-dum.  They are not going to march down the streets.  They fly planes into buildings.  They gas people.  They will use any means to kill you.</p>
<p>Get a freakin clue.</p>
<p>Cluck, cluck.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry F.</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/02/28/bush-pushes-fisa-reform/comment-page-2/#comment-256362</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;On February 28th, 2008 at 2:49 pm, lgm said: 

I thought it might be fun to drive by again, . . . so here I am. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, we are making progress.  lgm at least recognizes that he is is &lt;em&gt;drive-by trolling&lt;/em&gt;.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>On February 28th, 2008 at 2:49 pm, lgm said: </p>
<p>I thought it might be fun to drive by again, . . . so here I am. </p></blockquote>
<p>Well, we are making progress.  lgm at least recognizes that he is is <em>drive-by trolling</em>.  <img src='http://michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: lgm</title>
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		<dc:creator>lgm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;On-my-soap-box&lt;/strong&gt; said (#100):

&lt;blockquote&gt;Isn’t it interesting a liberal troll will stop by and rub the Constitution in our faces and leave?&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

I don&#039;t leave.  I&#039;m with you always, like Tinkerbell.  What do you mean about having the Constitution &quot;rubbed in your face&quot;?  Is that the same as being reminded that it&#039;s the law?

&lt;blockquote&gt;I like my Forth Amendment rights just fine.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Bue earlier you said (#76) 



 &lt;blockquote&gt;   How about if they search your home?

All are welcome. I have let people in I have a dislike for. I would let them in if I thought it would help clear me and my family - no problem. I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Then: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;by the Dimocraps who are using fear to perpetuate what they are really doing – a power grab&lt;/blockquote&gt;

First, Democrap is &lt;em&gt;sophomoric&lt;/em&gt; (look it up).  Second, scare tactics are a Bush special.  All the &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;CHICKENS&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; of America fall for it.  I&#039;m mot at all worried that Osamah Bin Laden and Hugo Chavez will march down the streets of Topeka forcing women to wear Burkas and dance to Latin music.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>On-my-soap-box</strong> said (#100):</p>
<blockquote><p>Isn’t it interesting a liberal troll will stop by and rub the Constitution in our faces and leave?</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t leave.  I&#8217;m with you always, like Tinkerbell.  What do you mean about having the Constitution &#8220;rubbed in your face&#8221;?  Is that the same as being reminded that it&#8217;s the law?</p>
<blockquote><p>I like my Forth Amendment rights just fine.</p></blockquote>
<p>Bue earlier you said (#76) </p>
<blockquote><p>   How about if they search your home?</p>
<p>All are welcome. I have let people in I have a dislike for. I would let them in if I thought it would help clear me and my family &#8211; no problem. I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE!</p></blockquote>
<p>Then: </p>
<blockquote><p>by the Dimocraps who are using fear to perpetuate what they are really doing – a power grab</p></blockquote>
<p>First, Democrap is <em>sophomoric</em> (look it up).  Second, scare tactics are a Bush special.  All the <strong><em>CHICKENS</em></strong> of America fall for it.  I&#8217;m mot at all worried that Osamah Bin Laden and Hugo Chavez will march down the streets of Topeka forcing women to wear Burkas and dance to Latin music.</p>
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		<title>By: mpChops</title>
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		<dc:creator>mpChops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do think its ironic that you say &quot;the Dimocraps are using fear to perpetuate what they are really doing – a power grab&quot; and defend the goverment&#039;s request by saying that &quot;I should think you would be more worried about them then an alleged illegal activity.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do think its ironic that you say &#8220;the Dimocraps are using fear to perpetuate what they are really doing – a power grab&#8221; and defend the goverment&#8217;s request by saying that &#8220;I should think you would be more worried about them then an alleged illegal activity.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: mpChops</title>
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		<dc:creator>mpChops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a rather false dichotomy. I firmly believe that we can hold people accountable for their actions and fight terrorism at the same time. The immunity is retroactive anyway. It&#039;ll change nothing in the way the President even wants to fight terrorism in the future. 

Regarding this being a power grab, I can see nothing more powerful than being able to act and not be responsible for their actions. I agree with you. This is very much a power grab.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a rather false dichotomy. I firmly believe that we can hold people accountable for their actions and fight terrorism at the same time. The immunity is retroactive anyway. It&#8217;ll change nothing in the way the President even wants to fight terrorism in the future. </p>
<p>Regarding this being a power grab, I can see nothing more powerful than being able to act and not be responsible for their actions. I agree with you. This is very much a power grab.</p>
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