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1. #1
   On February 28th, 2008 at 1:19 pm, Rogue said:

   So what kind of penalties should be enforced when this hoax is (already has been) irrefutably exposed?

2. #2
   On February 28th, 2008 at 1:20 pm, bloghooligan said:

   time to start my carbon credit business.

   pay me $200, and i’ll buy a house plant. go green!

3. #3
   On February 28th, 2008 at 1:23 pm, jeffshultz said:

   This of course, is the city already known to have the largest increase (about $200k per house) due to regulation in home prices in the nation.

   And they like it that way.

4. #4
   On February 28th, 2008 at 1:26 pm, Boomer said:

   The new policy should do one heck of a job of tanking the economy of King County. If I was a developer in that county I would be pulling up stakes and looking for another business friendly county or state to operate in.

   I really enjoyed being stationed in the Puget Sound area in the mid-70s it is a beautiful area, too bad it is now held by the lunatic fringe of society.

5. #5
   On February 28th, 2008 at 1:27 pm, evilned said:

   Hmm, I wonder what that dolt will be saying when the ice sheet caused by the Maunder Minimum crushes his home?

6. #6
   On February 28th, 2008 at 1:29 pm, petergwynne75 said:

   If E.L.F. = terrorist, then
   Environmentalist = fascist

7. #7
   On February 28th, 2008 at 1:30 pm, NavyTim said:

   I think we need a Stimulus Bailout package for people to reduce their carbon footprint. W needs to step up and cut checks to everyone for twisty light bulbs, plants in the living room, and other assorted items with the label “Made in Vermont”.

   “How many more carbon atoms must suffer Mr. Speakah?”

   (spoken with a true Boston accent, as only we can do in a wicked pissa way…)

8. #8
   On February 28th, 2008 at 1:32 pm, right_on said:

   He called his proposed carbon credits “a cap-and-trade scheme at a local level”

   Indeed!

   How about let’s investigate Sims, and all his political/self-enrichment connections to see just where the proposed ‘carbon credits’ monies wind up.
   In keeping with the current “scientific” data, maybe he should have called his proposal a “cap and trade scam?”

9. #9
   On February 28th, 2008 at 1:36 pm, AlohaGuy said:

   Because that would reduce sprawl

   Oh sure, wouldn’t that increase sprawl, since developers will move further out into say, Snohomish County? Which means people will drive further to get to work? Haven’t politicians ever taken an Econ class? (I know the answer.)

10. #10
    On February 28th, 2008 at 1:37 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Because that would reduce sprawl — and thus climate-altering carbon emissions — such a transfer could offset a project’s emissions that otherwise could jeopardize county approval, he said.

    I don’t think he could have crammed anymore global warming - “we’re all going to die” buzz-words in this sentence if he tried.

11. #11
    On February 28th, 2008 at 1:40 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    any more

12. #12
    On February 28th, 2008 at 1:41 pm, hatelibs said:

    Private developers will not take in up the you-know-what. As mentioned by Boomer, they will build elsewhere. The left will never get it!
    You can’t keep punishing business because ultimately the consumer is the one who picks up the tab.

    Have fun King county. You will be very sorry. And don’t come crying to the Federal Government to bail you out because your economy falters.

    Piece by piece this hoax of global warming is falling like a house of cards and I’m am loving it!

13. #13
    On February 28th, 2008 at 1:42 pm, Mister P said:

    I have one word for all areas who by into this: Suckers.

    It is an excuse for liberal fascism.

14. #14
    On February 28th, 2008 at 1:44 pm, sausage said:

    Personally, I think Conservatives in this country are really missing a trick when it comes to the green issue and what it can do FOR business and the economy.

    Take David Cameron - Conservative leader in the UK - he has embraced the green issue and made it acceptable to middle England. People are obsessed about the green issue over there and lots of businesses have sprung up to cater for the demand to Go Green.

    Recently a major Conservative newspaper - The Daily Mail - started a campaign to end plastic supermarket bags.

    A big store, Marks and Spencer, has just started to charge customers 10 cents per plastic bag… in a bid to get customers to use their own fabric shopping bags or paper bags.

    When you think 90 percent of the debris in the ocean is plastic…it’s terrifying.

    So being “green” is good for business..which means good for jobs, good for the overall economy.

    On the broader subject of Global warming, global cooling and the debate on how much man has influenced the weather - surely it is in Americas interest to embrace alternative fuels (a major Green issue) so billions of dollars are not continually sent to corrupt regimes in the Middle East through the gas tank.

15. #15
    On February 28th, 2008 at 1:44 pm, nbarry said:

    About a month ago, the History Channel did a long program on the earth’s natural history. The glaciers did not appear until around 2 million years ago (very recent on a timeline of around 4 billion years) when the volcanism of plate tectonics created the Isthmus of Panama linking the Americas. This blocked ocean currents that had kept the planet warm. Near the end, the narrative predicted another ice age in 15,000 years whether our evil fuel burning ways artificially warmed the atmosphere or not.

16. #16
    On February 28th, 2008 at 1:46 pm, KaosKlerik said:

    I wonder what would happen if Haliburton started a Carbon Off-Set subsidiary…

    BTW I offer Calorie Off-Sets. Gym fanatics will exercise for x amount of time, allowing you to sit in front of the TV eating bon-bons.

    And coming soon…Adultery Off-Sets. Nerdy geeks will offer to not have sex while you run around.

17. #17
    On February 28th, 2008 at 1:47 pm, IdiotCroissant said:

    I wonder if these folks are aware that they are laying the ground work for massive Civil litigation class action suits.

    By wording legislation to suggest that “going green requirements” directly relate to ‘Global Warming,” these folks are making it rather simple for privately owned companies effected by these increased costs to document their own financial costs and directly relate it to a cause (that very may well be disproven in the future). As a result, any company incurring increased costs based on law (which in turn is based on proven farce) will have the option to sue the government for fraud…etc.

    Similarly, those wonderful Carbon Credit non-profit firms have failed to include hold-harmless language in their terms of sale. As a result, they will not only be open to Civil Litigation. They will be wide open to Fraud, Grand Larceny and about 5 other Felony charges.

    This all becomes relevant when when it is proven that man is not causing “warming” here on the big blue marble. NOW, can you see why the leaders of this movement are so desparate to say that the debate is ended…and Global Warming is caused by man? They are not protecting the planet anymore (if they ever were). They are protecting their wallets.

18. #18
    On February 28th, 2008 at 1:51 pm, ajmontana said:

    ahahahahahahahhahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

19. #19
    On February 28th, 2008 at 1:55 pm, graysonret said:

    Boy, are these people behind the times! Global warming is out…global cooling is now the “in” thing. These local politicians have got to keep up with the new fads. Welcome back to the 80s. No more money or power to be obtained by promoting global warming. Plenty of money to make in global cooling. Welcome aboard.

20. #20
    On February 28th, 2008 at 1:56 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    sausage,
    Who cares? This isn’t a popularity contest. Global warming is a farce. I don’t know about you, I try to spend my time here on earth latching onto every new fad like it is some sort of badge of honor.

    If the “greenies” cared so much about our dependence on foreign oil they wouldn’t continuallly inhibit our ability to drill in ANWAR.

    No, what they care about is having people believe that what they actually have to say is important.

21. #21
    On February 28th, 2008 at 1:58 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    I try not to.

22. #22
    On February 28th, 2008 at 1:59 pm, Barry F. said:

    The Gorical must be so proud of the King County executive as one of his foot soldiers. Geez.

23. #23
    On February 28th, 2008 at 2:00 pm, Mister P said:

    Similarly, those wonderful Carbon Credit non-profit firms …

    Also maybe they will be responsible for a blatant lie. Humans do not create carbon.

24. #24
    On February 28th, 2008 at 2:02 pm, madchef said:

    If a person cannot afford to buy “carbon off-set credits”, will the government subsidize them, like food stamps? How many do i have to buy before building a fire in my fireplace?

25. #25
    On February 28th, 2008 at 2:16 pm, jsr said:

    Why do liberals seem to think businesses love to waste money on utilities? These greenies imagine they know more about energy conservation than real engineers that have years of experience dealing with this issue. When designing a new building plenty of work goes into designing energy efficient buildings with optimized heating and air conditioning systems and energy recovery equipment in appropriate cases. I have never met an environmentalist that had real life experience in these areas. Just hollow statements about “putting solar panels on every roof” without the slightest interest in real costs or practicality.

26. #26
    On February 28th, 2008 at 2:23 pm, Barry F. said:

    I try to do my part on global warming by eating beef (a.k.a. cattle)

    The digestive tracts of all living creatures produce methane, a by-product of the action of bacteria breaking down ingested food matter. Because cows have four stomachs, they create considerably more of the gas than any other animal — 75 percent of the total methane produced by all animals.

    To date no viable method has been devised to capture this gas as it erupts from either end of the cow.

    So, don’t let it be said that I’m not doing my part to help the green movement. Now, PETA might have issues with my contribution.

27. #27
    On February 28th, 2008 at 2:27 pm, John Ansell said:

    Panda Bears need your mittens please donate your winter gloves to the pandas freezing in China.

28. #28
    On February 28th, 2008 at 2:28 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    Liberals will cry about GW nutil they have to pay for breathing. Then they will be the biggest crybabies on the planet.

29. #29
    On February 28th, 2008 at 2:31 pm, Papa Louie said:

    Sims, who has made climate change a top issue during his third term, said Wednesday he will introduce legislation in May that would consider greenhouse-gas emissions as part of the environmental-review process.

    The Global Warming Crowd are slowly beginning to switch to the term “Global Climate Change.” This way they can be right whether temperatures go up or down; afterall, the earth’s climate is always changing. However, there is a major flaw in their logic. They are still calling for curbs in greenhouse gas emissions. If we are now headed for Global Cooling, shouldn’t we be increasing our CO2 emissions to help warm the planet? Don’t we need to determine if the climate is warming or cooling before we promote any action that could do more harm?

30. #30
    On February 28th, 2008 at 2:32 pm, fourstringfuror said:

    On February 28th, 2008 at 1:36 pm, AlohaGuy said:
    Because that would reduce sprawl
    Oh sure, wouldn’t that increase sprawl, since developers will move further out into say, Snohomish County? Which means people will drive further to get to work? Haven’t politicians ever taken an Econ class? (I know the answer.)

    We don’t want them. SnoCo is too crowded already.

31. #31
    On February 28th, 2008 at 2:36 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    To date no viable method has been devised to capture this gas as it erupts from either end of the cow.

    Why am I thinking of Ted Kennedy?

32. #32
    On February 28th, 2008 at 2:39 pm, fourstringfuror said:

    Because, like a cow, he “makes” a good sandwich?

33. #33
    On February 28th, 2008 at 2:44 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    …surely it is in Americas interest to embrace alternative fuels (a major Green issue) so billions of dollars are not continually sent to corrupt regimes in the Middle East through the gas tank.

    For once - stunned - I would agree with sausage. But as 30 points out, simply drilling for our own oil is always blocked by Dems. OK, say we decide on alternatives - Ted Kennedy doesn’t want wind farms in his backyard, no Dem wants Nuclear (even the French use that), people will be against capturing wave motion…and on and on…

    And no, conservatives aren’t in favor of throwing plastic in the ocean.

34. #34
    On February 28th, 2008 at 2:45 pm, ArmoredCAV said:

    Say, maybe if this works out, the liberal fruitcakes will be worried enough about their financial bottom line that they will leave King County, and then some nasty old bad conservatives can win an election there for once. Well, regardless of where they move to, they’ll still manage to vote in King. But I can dream, can’t I?

35. #35
    On February 28th, 2008 at 2:51 pm, realitycheck said:

    Sims, who has made climate change a top issue during his third term, said Wednesday he will introduce legislation in May that would consider greenhouse his own gas emissions as part of the environmental-review process.

    There, that’s more appropriate.

36. #36
    On February 28th, 2008 at 2:55 pm, The Raging Republican said:

    Eco-socialism.

    Everything else in our country is moving towards socialism, so why not this too?

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “We know whats best for you…. you don’t know how to take care of yourself….. give us all your money….. we’ll keep you safe….. we’ll raise your kids for you….. We know how to stop global warming, we just need more money.”

    There, did I cover all the Democratic talking points?

37. #37
    On February 28th, 2008 at 3:03 pm, PeterX said:

    Oh, this is just the surface of the ‘green’ lunacy infecting Seattle politicians. I know, I live here.

    Why Mayor Nickels is hereby forcing we Seattle-ites to compost, starting in 2009. We won’t be allowed to have more than 10% of our waste be compostable material. Rats! Quite literally. Rats every where.

    BTW: What kind of car has Sims been driving for the last 4-5 years? That’s right, a Toyota Highlander SUV….(He threatened to buy a Prius this year when

38. #38
    On February 28th, 2008 at 3:04 pm, RedMindBlueState said:

    On February 28th, 2008 at 1:30 pm, NavyTim said:
    “How many more carbon atoms must suffer Mr. Speakah?”

    You’ve been spending too much time over at Honest Howie’s Carbon Credits website, haven’t you?

39. #39
    On February 28th, 2008 at 3:19 pm, KCK said:

    Now that cooling is statistically evident, when I laugh in the face of Global Warmists, there is a possibility they may get the joke.
    I will laugh at them, nonetheless.

40. #40
    On February 28th, 2008 at 3:32 pm, Mister P said:

    Everything else in our country is moving towards socialism, so why not this too?

    Actually we already have socialism. What we are moving towards is bancruptcy.

41. #41
    On February 28th, 2008 at 3:32 pm, CarpiJugulum said:

    This year Durango is measuring snow fall in feet, over 20 so far. The ski resorts are having another banner year on the slopes.

    Most of the East is covered in this white stuff that appears to be frozen water in a one form or another.

    So if I start to plant trees and shrubs in my mountain valley home, will Excell (the energy provider here) give me a break on the natural gas and electricity I use?

    Are you kidding me. My rates are already going up thanks to Gov. Bill Ritter.

    This global warming propaganda is out of hand with liberals. I guess what I fail to grasp is that it is nothing more then a money grab of my wallet.

42. #42
    On February 28th, 2008 at 4:01 pm, Barry F. said:

    On February 28th, 2008 at 2:36 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Why am I thinking of Ted Kennedy?

    Maybe, because Teddy *hiccup* Kennedy can tell you the best wine to pair with red meat?

43. #43
    On February 28th, 2008 at 4:36 pm, Mister P said:

    Iowa, where I live, is having its coldest winter on record. It is already the 5th snowiest winter on record with permasnow. I say this to global warming: “Bring it on”

44. #44
    On February 28th, 2008 at 5:21 pm, allrsn said:

    Dictating where we live?????

45. #45
    On February 28th, 2008 at 5:36 pm, graysonret said:

    When we had massive “global warming” around 1000A.D., agriculture boomed. Greenland was green around the coast and suitable for settlements and farms. They even had vineyards for wine in Northern England (streets up there are still named for them). People had food and things went well. When “global cooling” hit about the 1600s, agriculture took a massive downswing. There were famines and people starved. You can’t grow crops very well, when it’s cold. The Thames froze every winter, though, and fairs were set up on the river. So, if I had my choice….bring on global warming! Besides, I like to walk around in shortsleeves.

46. #46
    On February 28th, 2008 at 7:45 pm, geminicontender said:

    Their timing is perfect as a new report out says we are in a global cooling phase at the moment. Gotta love those veggie eaters/

47. #47
    On February 29th, 2008 at 12:08 am, JohnHolliday said:

    As Ann Coulter said in her book Godless, the law of big numbers says it will always be the hottest, coldest, wettest, or driest somewhere on the planet.

    The only thing green about this entire scheme is the folding stuff the gov’t is stealing in the name of the environment.

48. #48
    On February 29th, 2008 at 12:58 am, CrazyFool said:

    This is ‘Tax-to-the-Max’ Ron Sims, King County Executive.

    He runs the King County Elections office like his private fiefdom. You know where felons, the dead, and imaginary friends vote (and vote often!).

    There was an initiative to separate the Elections office from the Executive, but Ron was able to change this to a question on the ballot on weather to have a question on the ballot on separating the Elections office. Of course this won’t happen anytime soon - and not until after the ‘08 election when he can try to get the Governor re-elected.

49. #49
    On February 29th, 2008 at 9:11 am, jenmom said:

    We are in Colorado for a vacation and wow - never seen so many greenies in my life. (there aren’t too many in the home state of Oklahoma).

    The saddest thing was the fact that the Denver Museum of Nature and Science gift store had an entire section of books about global warming they were selling - including Gore’s book! I was a bit disappointed that a museum would sell that junk but this is Colorado right?

    Love being here though…it is beautiful.

50. #50
    On February 29th, 2008 at 10:50 am, fourstringfuror said:

    when he can try to get the Governor re-elected.

    Try he will, and fail he must.

    http://www.dinorossi.com/

51. #51
    On February 29th, 2008 at 7:08 pm, GaijinBob said:

    sausage said:
    

    Personally, I think Conservatives in this country are really missing a trick when it comes to the green issue and what it can do FOR business and the economy.

    When you think 90 percent of the debris in the ocean is plastic…it’s terrifying.

    So being “green” is good for business..which means good for jobs, good for the overall economy.

    In theory you are right. Greenies’ desire for less atmospheric pollution and conservatives’ desire for greater energy independence (along with techies’ desire for cool futuristic efficient toys) should be a natural synergy.

    But as 30 pcs and AlohaGuy pointed out, the true serious solutions are blocked more often by the Left than the Right. Improved CAFE standards, energy-efficient light bulbs, and paying more for plastic shopping bags (remember we always pay for them anyway, just the cost is hidden in your grocery bill) are negligible in their overall impact. In the short term we need more domestic oil production to replace foreign oil sources. In the long term we need nuke plants everywhere, at least 1 for every 6 million citizens, more as we start using plug-in hybrid cars. And in the long long term we need a better source of bio-fuel than corn such as algae.

    But who blocks domestic drilling and construction of nuke plants? Which candidates promised to halt waste disposal at Yucca Mountain? And because the road to D.C. starts in Iowa, the corn lobby is much more powerful than the pond scum lobby. How can GW doubters be convinced to yield to solutions when Global Warmians themselves are unwilling to take the serious steps? It’s like listening to a sermon on the evils of liquor from a preacher who happens to be a hard-partying booze hound.

52. #52
    On March 1st, 2008 at 3:47 am, bayou22 said:

    The Catholic Church had a similar program to carbon off-sets a long time ago… It was called “indulgences”, and they allowed people to sin as much as they wanted, so long as they bought “indulgences” from the church that off-set their unholy ways. (long story short)

    All this global warming nonsense is a profit-driven scam by a bunch of lefties, who are willing to make money off of other lefties (and righties through legislation). They aren’t stupid, but they are greedy.

    BTW, Leap Year is a major cause for global warming. One day every four years is not enough of a “correction” for the seasons to work with the calendar. Thus, the global warming folks have this as proof of their cause. So misguided…

53. #53
    On March 6th, 2008 at 7:19 pm, FlyingTigress said:

    The most amusing part of this is this…

    One of the challenges developers have, in the area, in terms of dealing with their stormwater impacts is that fact that many areas of King County have soil conditions that are nearly impermeable to water infiltration. The sand and clay has been compacted to near impervious conditions.

    How, you ask?

    Well, when there was a mile-thick ice sheet (melted thousands of years ago) covering much of Western Washington at the last Ice Age, the weight of all of that ice…