The Fence to Nowhere
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Not that you needed any more evidence from me that the Secure Fence Act was the mother of all border b.s. measures to come out of Washington, but here’s the latest story to add to the pile:
The Bush administration has scaled back plans to quickly build a “virtual fence” along the U.S.-Mexico border, delaying completion of the first phase of the project by at least three years and shifting away from a network of tower-mounted sensors and surveillance gear, federal officials said yesterday.
Technical problems discovered in a 28-mile pilot project south of Tucson prompted the change in plans, Department of Homeland Security officials and congressional auditors told a House subcommittee.
Though the department took over that initial stretch Friday from Boeing, authorities confirmed that Project 28, the initial deployment of the Secure Border Initiative network, did not work as planned or meet the needs of the U.S. Border Patrol.
The announcement marked a major setback for what President Bush in May 2006 called “the most technologically advanced border security initiative in American history.” The virtual fence was to be a key component of his proposed overhaul of U.S. immigration policies, which died last year in the Senate.
Investigators for the Government Accountability Office had earlier warned that the effort was beset by both expected and unplanned difficulties. But yesterday, they disclosed new troubles that will require a redesign and said the first phase will not be completed until near the end of the next president’s first term.
Those problems included Boeing’s use of inappropriate commercial software, designed for use by police dispatchers, to integrate data related to illicit border-crossings. Boeing has already been paid $20.6 million for the pilot project, and in December, the DHS gave the firm another $65 million to replace the software with military-style, battle management software.
In an interview, Gregory L. Giddens, the department’s executive director for the border effort, confirmed that “we . . . have delayed our deployment as we work through the issues on Project 28. While there is clear urgency of the mission, we also want to make sure we do this right.”
Boeing has said that the initial effort, while flawed, still has helped Homeland Security apprehend 2,000 illegal immigrants since September. It estimated in 2006 that it would spend $7.6 billion through 2011 to secure the entire 2,000-mile southern border, an ambition that was meant to win support from conservatives for legislation creating a guest-worker program and a path to legalization for 12 million illegal immigrants.
But officials said yesterday that they now expect to complete the first phase of the virtual fence’s deployment — roughly 100 miles near Tucson and Yuma, Ariz., and El Paso, Tex. — by the end of 2011, instead of by the end of 2008. That target falls outside Boeing’s initial contract, which will end in September 2009 but can be extended.
The virtual fence was to complement a physical fence that the administration now says will include 370 miles of pedestrian fencing and 300 miles of vehicle barriers to be completed by the end of this year. The GAO said this portion of the project may also be delayed and that its total cost cannot be determined. The president’s 2009 budget does not propose funds to add fencing beyond the 700 or so miles meant to be completed this year.
I’m so sure John McCain and Juan Hernandez would do a better job.
Meanwhile, ahem, the $1.4 billion Mexican stimulus/border security plan forges ahead unopposed.
Your tax dollars (not) at work.
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Meanwhile, lawlessness reigns…
A crackdown on drug and human smuggling rings at the U.S. border with Mexico has sparked an increase in violence against border patrol agents.
U.S. Department of Homeland Security officials say the number of assaults is up this fiscal year after more than doubling between 2004 and 2007, USA Today reported Wednesday.
“We’ve had occasions of people shooting at agents, trying to run agents down with vehicles, throwing large rocks or pieces of brick or concrete at agents, which can actually be fatal,” says Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff.
Chertoff says the escalation is the result of stepped-up enforcement that aims to put smugglers out of business.
Most of the assaults have involved “rockings” in which rocks, bricks and objects are thrown at agents.
Agent Shawn Moran of the Border Patrol in Imperial Beach, Calif., told USA Today the rockings are “like biblical stoning. This is like what they used to do to kill people.”
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isnt all this just peachy….
Delayed?
So more illegals can enter the country.
Then they will claim that SOMETHING just HAS to be done.
Legalize all of ‘em….this is where it’s headed.
Maybe BUSH should have his library built in Mexico.
Who wrote the big honkin’ check???
The check to the President G.W. Bush Presdential Library fund… Mexican Govt?? The Drug Cartels??
Those are the two entities are the big winners, with an open door policy on the southern border.
(Mexico appears to be to Bush, what China and Saudi Arabia have been to the Clintons.. Sugar daddy’s)
Instead of a virtual fence, can we have a virtual president and a virtual congress? Max Headroom was much less incompetent.
What were the technical problems? I think it’s just another excuse for them to keep the border wide open. The government is out of control. This is just another step toward the NAU.
So this is what I am paying for? You’re fired!
An actual physical fence might work. There certainly would be less software problems.
The fence will not be built and the boarder not enforced untill the ILLEGALS and the Reconquistas STEAL the American Southwest. Then they will build a fence seperating themselves from the Norta Americanos. All the while having their eyes on our bank accounts, cars, homes, and anything else they can get their grubby hands on.
It is ironic that Mexico says it is not healthy for us to have a fence on their northern boarder all the while they are working on one on their southern boarder. They want a free passage of “peoples” in and out of the United States yet they great free people on their southern boarder with the armed violance.
We may see a war in the United States but will it be with the camel jockies or with those invaders from south of the boarder.
Enough with Virtual anything. Build the danged fence and be done with it. I know where we could get 1.4 billion of our money to begin construction.
All we have to do is figure out how to keep our money in our pockets and out of the hands of the fat-cat-bureaucrats.
use the 1.4b to fix our problem here. good grief. our gov. has/is letting us down on a scale of mythical proportions.
so now we are out of funds for another boondoggle failure …
put the “fence to nowhere” right alongside the “bridge to nowhere” …
all they had to do was hold an ongoing military exercise along the border in which they put all of the military construction groups (army engineers, navy seabees, etc.) on the border 2 years ago and let them build the fence for the training experience … the whole thing would be done by now … and would have cost less …
no virtual anything … no contractors like Boeing Defense group for anything … strictly contracts to buy the construction materials to build a real fence …
what a bunch of dolts …
I think that despite the missing virtual fence, there is still concrete available, and barbed wire.
Maybe we could purchase the concrete for a border wall from Cemex, the Mexican national cement company, and call it a stimulus package for Mexico!
I’m sick at what’s happening to our country and how our so-called “leaders” do nothing but help its destruction. They just shrug their shoulders when another innocent child is killed by an illegal driving drunk without a license, or when another woman is raped by an illegal, or when a burglary or robbery is committed. And we are just supposed to accept it.
Noone can defeat the USA militarily - they won’t have to. We will be defeated from within, we will be changed into a country that is much worse in every good way than what we have been in the past.
Build the fence. Catch and deport illegals. Fine and imprison those who hire them. People who say this won’t work, should also then advocate that we tear down all fences around prisons and any structure, and that we no longer prosecute anyone for committing crimes.
yup.
Good thing, this group wasnt around when we were building this nation.
I’m with DesertLover on this set the military’s construction teams lose on this project. If our political overlords were serious about protecting us this project would already be complete and built better than any corrupt government contractor could. Boeing is not doing very well lately when it comes to getting new technologies on line. First they had serious problems getting the avionics package of the F-22 to work and now this pork barrel project that will only stop virtual invaders. Thanks Congress for giving those of us in government service the Federal Acquisition Regulation to make a fairly simple process a royal pain in the backside. What every happen to the old military axiom of KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid).
So true, AJ, so true.
I can’t even imagine a group of incompetents like we have in Washington being able to maintain employment in the private sector.
They would be fired in no time for their incompetency.
Well, the people in Washington are simpletons, at best, Boomer, and, probably, pushing hard toward stupid.
A physical barrier is a prominent and visible deterrent to illegal alien encroachment in the USA. A virtual fence is no fence at all - it is merely a catch and release mechanism. A physical barrier is also a protection for the border control folks who are definitely outgunned by the bad guys.
The illegals damage and destroy the existing physical fence, what’s going to keep them from sabotaging the virtual fence and who’s going to pay to fix it every time?
I just got an email from a friend in Ohio this morning who told me that her friend’s grandaughter is required to pledge allegiance to the Mexican flag every morning in school along with the pledge to the American flag & says the girl has recited it for her.. How can this be??? Sounds like the reconquista has already begun.
One question: why exactly do we need a virtual fence? Will the illegals pause for reflection as they cross over our territorial boundaries? They don’t observe our borders now so how will a virtual fence make them obey our laws? Curiouser and curiouser I must say.
Could we get Yosemite Sam to watch our border? I think the National Guard would do better than a “virtual fence.”
WHAT?!
You have to be joking us, right?
I had the same problem with my virtual fence. If the neighbor’s kids weren’t climbing it just to see what was up there, they were trying to hit it with their pellet guns. That took a while to fix during which time it wasn’t “working”. The neighborhood kids would play on my property because they didn’t have to worry about the ball going over the fence and holding up the game. My dog wasn’t a problem to anyone wanting to take a short-cut through my propery to the corner store because he would wander off and be somewhere else at the time.
So when I put up a “real” fence it seemed to work real well but, I became
the “bad guy” of the neighborhood. Go figure.
One part of the virtual fence that will not be, but should definitely be, used. Sending back people who have a public image, or get a dispensation from a member of Congress.
A Marine, who is missing in Iraq, married an illegal alien - send her back. A state legislator from Mississippi (or, Georgia) is married to an illegal alien - send her back. Individuals who claim sanctuary in churches - go in, get them and send them back. Representatives and Senators have the ability to suspend, or hold, deportation orders - eliminate this privilege.
Should we be willing to do the above it would give illegal aliens pause and force them to think if the US is willing to deport these people then what chance would they have.
This element of the virtual wall is called self policing, and is a pillar of a civil society. There are things that you just don’t do because there are consequences to your actions.
The govt. needs to go to China and hire a company to do the work.They know how to build a WALL and it would probably be cheaper and built faster.
Congress KNOWS what can be done to stop illegal entry.
They do not care.
Since it takes OUR monies to fund whatever their “hearts” desire, it is time to STOP giving OUR money to the government.
This is the ONLY thing other than war to do it.
They should have known that a virtual fence wouldn’t work. The Mexicans keep taking off the collars.
#5 asked: What were the technical problems?
From the WaPo story linked by Drudge:
Sounds like they started out hoping they could take an existing system and adapt it to the border. Then they tried and found they couldn’t. Back to the drawing board. As the saying goes, haste makes waste.
Let me see if I recall history correctly - but didn’t private enterprise (railroads) put track all across our country in a matter of years without government “help” approximately 100 years ago?
I might be underestimating the difficulties in putting up a fence but to me it doesn’t seem that it should be more difficult than building a train track?
Has anyone ever tried getting into Area 51? I am not talking about all of the conspiratorial garbage here but just the base itself. If the govt can keep an open section of desert so well protected, they could dang sure make it work on the border if they were serious about it.
Just sayin’
conservativeRus, yes the railroads were built by private companies, but in many cases the government gave them the land.
The government is going to have to condemn a lot of private land for the fence, and the process has only just begun. Private companies can’t condemn land (well, they sort of can now, due to the horrible Kelo decision, but many states have passed laws against that.)
Interesting point on Area 51. I know a couple of people who’ve climbed the hills around it to get a look. If I recall correctly, the fence isn’t very impressive, and would be fairly easy to get over. It’s the warning signs that really get your attention.
Isn’t Dennis Kucinich the bouncer there?
Seriously though, the government ought to start paying a bounty for the hides of illegals. That would stop the flow.
You absolutely MUST watch this http://www.bordermovie.com/ buy it. watch it. pass it on. There has got to be a way to get this aired on t.v. I am so mad I could spit!
No fence will be built.
The virtual fence is a payoff to Boeing and a sop to the ‘build a fence’ crowd.
Corporate interestes demand cheap labor and politicians will risk your life and property to accomodate these contributors - vote them out!
No civilization can survive the government assisted invasion of its culture and economy.
I just talked to the guy I know who snuck around Area 51. He says there’s not any fence at all around much of it.
Related to his line of thought, IIRC, some of the first border fence is being built or will be built on the Goldwater Range in AZ, for a couple of reasons: it’s federal land, so the land doesn’t have to be condemned. And, they have to suspend operations all the time because of the illegals running across the Range. Apparently, the illegals don’t heed the signs.
Actually I lived not far from Art Bell and I had more than a few occasion to visit the area51 complex for some sightseeing and some really good chicken fried steak. (oddly enough) My personal belief is that it is nothing but subterfuge to cover up black ops programs. While I will not get into all of the conspiracy theories, I believe the base is mostly empty except for some high-tech military aircraft that put on shows for the sightseers. It was not the signs that bothered me. It was the motion sensors, the massive array of other monitoring devices and the men with guns who rapidly appeared anytime someone made it past the signs. (Yes, I know many who have encountered them)
Again, I am not arguing the veracity of claims of aliens or other mysteries, only pointing out that our government can install, man and maintain a virtual fence. If it can be successfully accomplished in a few hundred square acres of desert, it could be expanded and be equally effective.
Still, give me 1.4 BILLION dollars of taxpayer money and I will build a real fence on the border and not play around but that is just me.
IMHO
Once upon a time this border fence was to be 784 miles of Duncan Hunter caliber construction, but DHS Mr. Lettuce Head has convoluted that to mean 370 miles of CCN pedestrian climb over, 300 miles of vehicular drive bys, and the remainder in blind virtual fence, mostly to save money on a project that was funded as originally specified or using a Bushism, it’s too hard to do let’s go to moon again instead. No amount of adhominem is too much for these two clowns, but then a waste of time to apply, for they listen to no one and have the Compassionate Conservative doctrine for their self justifications.
Evidently, based on this… the War on Terror is a crock. How can we be told Daily, to be Vigilent, and prepare for a long war in foreign lands if our Gov’t has the welcome mat out for every one in the world to climb on the backs of us Taxpayers and come across at will????
Look at Kosovo. It used to be the cradle of Serbia. Then it became increasingly populated by Albanians. And look what happened last week.
New Mexico might end up living up to its name.
Um, what commitee has oversite on this?
Anyone we can contact?
The Estados Unidos of Mexicanada, here we come!
juliesa
Just proves they are illegals that can’t read English … All the more reason to not stop firing so that they will get the message … that range is in SW Arizona by the Marine Corps Air Station at Yuma … it is a “live fire” range used for artillery practice as well as aircraft bombing runs with live munitions …
Out at area 51, it is niether the lack of fence or the lethal force signs that keep people out. What keeps people out is the SUVs that appear out of no where with mirrored sunglass passengers toting some real firwe power and not afraid to use it. Think about it. Here they enforce the posted signs. On the boarder they don’t.
Actually they were in Hummers when I was there last. Not in SUVs. Still, that was just my experience but the point remains. The government could enforce the border if it had the desire or the testicular fortitude to do any of the very few jobs it is empowered to do.
Now when I was a kid in Virginia and I was hunting on Quantico (Before I knew what it was) those guys traveled in style.
Still, great squirrels and almost nobody ever hunted them.
Wonder why? :”>
Bush / McCain won’t build a fence. Obama wants a superhighway between Tijuana and San Diego. What’s the difference?
Grab the pitch folks, I’ll get the torches Enough is enough.
I was under the impression from what I saw on the spp.gov site (until they took it down) that the “Not a” Nafta Superhighway had already been contracted out as a toll road to a company in Spain. I could be wrong though.
They can’t put a up a virtual fence till 2011 but they don’t have any problem passing raises for themselves? Right? They can get the bill in front of them, get it voted on and get it passed and have the money allocated for their raises..Right? The raises they pass for themselves comes from the American Taxpayer Right? OUR Money and We want a FENCE forget Virtual go Old School FENCE - three deep.
What was the Response from HOMELAND SECURITY? crickets chirping…
We can put people on the moon but we can’t build a fence? I guess I’m to blame as I voted for Bush. What a let down.
Writing in GIngrich.
IMHO-We are being invaded by a foreign country and our own politicians are encouraging the invasion.
This is tyranny; there is no other word for it. Our elected leaders take an oath of office, which has become meaningless.
The President takes an oath to protect and defend the USA from all foreign and domestic enemies.
When you have over 1 million Illegals entering the USA southern border every year this is called war.
We have reached a point in this country where the constitution is has become nothing but a damn piece of paper and the opinions of the electorate are spit upon.
Even though over 80% of the American public want the fence and our immigration laws enforced, our elected leaders could care less.
Welcome to the North American Union thanks to George W Bush and the rest of the One World Order Globalists that have taken this country over from within.
Forget area 51, try getting over the White House fence. It was 12 feet tall and they didn’t feel that was high enough so they raised it another 8 in., there are cameras in all the trees, motion sensers, and who knows what else. The same with the Capitol building, they want security to protect them, but the hell with the rest of us. We as Americans should tear down their fences and say “you get these back after you build America’s fence.”
Here’s an article on the White House Fence.
http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/white_house_adds_eight
On February 28th, 2008 at 12:35 pm, John Ansell said:
Grab the pitch folks, I’ll get the torches Enough is enough.
John, maybe we can get Tractor Supply Co. to sponser a march on the capitol.
They have all the hoes, pitch forks, and TiKi torches we need.
A lot of this, as much in life, still comes down to incentives and disincentives. Regarding Area 51, the sensors and the guards are very effective at keeping people out, because they’re genuinely scary, and because people don’t want to risk their lives just to satisfy their curiosity. Now with Google Earth, you can get a better look at the base than you could by climbing the surrounding hills, anyway.
People will, however, risk a lot to get jobs and free health care. You have to make it even more dangerous and difficult, and/or take away the incentives, in order to solve the problem.
maldef:
Like others have said earlier, Area 51 is one of the most secure facilities in North America. They have a virtual fence manned by a private company and you cannot get 100yds from the perimeter without armed guards telling you they will shoot if you do not turn around.
I know I have been there.
The fact is our politicians have an agenda which has not been debated or made public.
As Joseph Corsi and Phyllis Schafly have repeatedly warned us about the back room coup de ta called the North American Union. The border fence will not be built on our southern border but on Mexico’s border.
Sort of OT…Stopped On The Way Home. People were taken off a plane and detained because they were here
illegally and can’t just deport themselves. Apparently the
government has to make a statement about this.
http://wizbang.com/content/2008/02/27/stopped-on-the-way-home.php
Bonehead of the Day Award!!
Great!! I just tried the link and safari said, not found on server. Will go to Wizbang and reconnect to site,
after next session is over. Have a full day of counseling today.
Doing the math, that works out to $42,800 per illegal.
To quote Butch Cassidy; “Putting together an outfit like that cost more than we ever stole. That’s bad business. How long do you suppose I’d stay in business if every time I pulled a job it cost me money? If he’d only give me the money he’s paying to get me to stop robbing him, I’d stop robbing him.”
Maybe we should just have DHS reps stand along the border and hand out $42,800 to each illegal who comes along, and send them back where they came from. It makes as much sense as this crap.
Officials discovered they had no huevos.
It took 14 months to build the Empire State building.
I just hope the Bush Library is in Cabo San Lucas for the citizens who have benefited most. Mexican citizens.
I don’t mean any offense, but it’s getting kind of conspiracyish on this thread.
http://hotair.com/archives/2006/11/22/tancredo-bush-planning-to-integrate-us-into-borderless-north-american-superstate/
This is what hotair says about the NAU theory.
The Romans built 50,000 miles of cement roads (with stone underneath) - 10,000 more than the US Interstate system.
Work on a fence might provide jobs for the poor in New Orleans and DC who need jobs and are willing to relocate - oh wait, no, jobs for illegal aliens, sorry.
This is ANOTHER reason not to vote for ANY incumbents! We need fresh, new patriots in Washington. Shame on the Republicans who claim they are backing a real physical border fence, law enforcement, and stricter immigration laws. They do not mean any of it!! And, we need to fire everyone at Homeland Security and ICE.
Writing in Fred Thompson & Duncan Hunter
Hey,..just maybe those here that ridicule the “conspiracy theory ” about the North American Union …do ya think maybe some might just catch a clue that this is preplanned and that a fence was NEVER on the agenda. Bush is a liar and will have a prominent legacy. His legacy will be the chief reason that the sovreigntry of the United States was eradicated. The man is a traitor. In light of his treason on the border against the wishes of the American people I don’t know how anyone can support this man on anything at all.
Yeah, that’s what I have around our place, battle management software. The chain link seemed to be ok, but didn’t cost enough.
The only way it’ll ever get funded is if we promise to call it the John Murtha Big Fat Fence.
Since America is importing just about everything from China, how about we import the Great Wall?
We’ve been betrayed by our own country using our money against us, there is no future in sight with the crooked politicians and the dolts we have running for the presidency.
The politicians are either socialists or on the take, follow the money. Need to vote hard right come Nov. 2nd.
Swell. http://homeland.house.gov/issues/index.asp?issue=2
Three more years standing watch on the border with the Minutemen. I’m getting to old to be doing the governments job.
I’ll be an old man in a wheelchair by the time they get around to decent border security. Either that or I’ll be speaking Spanish by then. I believe it was Ben Franklin who said that if you have a problem you don’t want to confront, stall and put it in committee. I see politicians still follow his advice.
I have repeatedly debated allahpundit about the NAU to no avail. He is in Michael Medveds denial camp about the NAU.
At this late date, anyone that contends there is no plan for a NAU needs to be on medication.
The proof is all around us including the fact the Superhigway is being built in Texas and private land is being condemned.
Vicente Fox admitted he signed the NAU agreement on Larry King live and the Canadian Government has admitted there is a North American Union plan.
Still do not believe it, here he is in his own words on youtube.
For anyone that still believes this is a conspriacy theory I suggest you go to the August Review to read some of the facts about this cabal.
Why do you think the fence is not being built despite the pressure from the American public?
Gee, I was impressed with Boeing’s $20 Million dollar failure, just think how impressive a $65 million dollar failure will be.
Boeing: good at airplanes, bad at fences.
Hey Washington! try looking in the yellow pages under Fence builders!
Serious about stopping illegal immigration? Get real.
Instead of “observation towers,” erect armored gun towers equipped with Dillon Mini-guns and nightvision sensors, and manned by Federal Border Agents with authority to shoot anyone on sight within a 200 yard strip of ‘no man’s land.’ Strategically placed signage in English and Spanish every 100 yards along our border, warning about lethal force, would satisfy legal obligations.
This will save lives, money, and let a certain country south of our border understand that we are committed to our nation’s sovereignty.
We use the same kind of cameras here in Iraq. But, when we find AQI, we drive out and kill/capture them, send the Apaches over to kill them, or use the Artillery or aircraft to kill them. If you are not going to do anything about them, what is the purpose? By the way, the cameras are totally awesome when they work, but they break pretty often. I say we turn the whole border into a live-fire training area to prep for deployment to OIF.
The only way to get shed of illegal aliens is to go after businessmen who hire them, and Bush is on the business pad, so it would be a cold day in hell before he ever puts patriotism over cronyism.
juliesa, the establishment of such a working entity need not be in name to occur in fact. I daresay there are quite a few Brits who never suspected they would find themselves fighting for some measure of sovereignty from the EU.
I’d say it’s worth keeping a ‘heads up” on, especially for any legislation that would enable it.
The libs have missed a golden opportunity to impeach our fearless leader on the border issue alone. If they’d just kept their mouths shut, up to and including the first few months leading to the primaries, they could have appeared to be “startled” (Pelosi always looks “startled”) to find we have so many illegals residing right here in the good ol’ US of A they could then have amnestied all of them. Makes no difference now, the Repubs are looking more like the losers in this election and the illegals will get amnestied anyway.
NAU is real, as is the superhighway, and Texas is moving ahead with their portion of the road. I believe the first leg will end at Kansas City? Been a couple of years since I did any reading on it. It will then be completed on into Canada. A close friend in Phoenix says one is planned to run through AZ as well. Anyone know anything about that?
Hey do these guys do health care!
If I didn’t know better, I would think your’re my husband.
He says the same thing everyday.
Yiiii! Don’t give them any ideas, E.K. !
You know… A few marine snipers, a few sets of night vision goggles, and $20 in bullets would put a stop to people running across our boarders really quickly.
24KLady - Here’s Lou Dobb’s report on it, especially the TX aspect, from 2/19/08 at YouTube:
Lou Dobbs - NAFTA Superhighway
Purplepeep - hey, thanks so much for the link. I’ve been out of TX for the past 4 months but Lou Dobbs summed it up as I understood it. Looking at some of those ranchers on the video and the looks on their faces about the possible loss of their property makes you want to cry. Rick Perry ought to be run out of Austin over this…instead he’ll probably get a job offer from those folks building the road.
“the first phase will not be completed until near the end of the next president’s first term”
Thus 90 days turns into two years, then five years, then…never. “The announcement marked a major
setback, success for…President Bush”Fixed it.
I’m sure McCrazy will build a fence, go ahead and vote for him.
#74 Scottydog
The Texas Trans Corridor (TTC) or the NAFTA Super highway or I69 is for real. There are local townhall meetings with TxDOT and the local’s communities just west of Houston that are affected by the land grabbing that will be done. Most meetings are overflow crowds overwhelmingly opposed to this project. For info on it go to several sites. infowars.net and corridorwatch.org. TxDot has cancelled two major highway reconstruction projects northwest of Houston (US 290 and Highway 249) because they have pumped most of their money in the TTC and do not have the funds to re-construct 290 and 249. 290 is a virtual parking lot during Houston rush hour traffic. The people in the area do not want this project at all but TxDOT and the state are ignoring the will of the people. Also the other morning coming into work on one of the local radio talk shows, there was a discussion of the new Amerio currency that will replace the US currency once the US dollars get so low it becomes worthless. NAU is real. Why is Congress ignoring the 1.4 billion going to Mexico when our border county sheriff’s and border patrol get nothing.
Your welcome. Too bad all the time, money, energy and devotion going into the building of the SuperHighway can’t be channeled into building a secure border barrier instead!
Purplepeep, any surplus funds we have will be needed to build the fence on Mexico’s southern border. Plain and simple, we lose.
Sorta OT - A story/rumor? floating around on e-mails today is that San Nicolas, Mexico just approved building a fence between them and their neighboring city, Guadalupe, Mexico. Both suburbs of Monterrey, Mexico - but it passed by 70% of the voters. Once again, fences make for good neighbors. Wonder who’s going to fund that? No link, and not verified so I’ll hold off on further comments.
And this is the home of House Leader.
Why am I not surprised.
Any of you own a house? Better put it up for sale so you’ll have cash to pay for this when the Gov’t comes for it.
California’s political class has been complaining for several years that they’re not getting their “…fair share…” of federal tax $. They think they should get at least a 1-for-1 return, and given Kalifornia’s importance/leadership role in the U.S. possibly even more…
It Chertoff and DHS had any sense of duty and ethics, they’d use this as a big arrow pointing at where more raids should be scheduled. Instead, they’ll likely back off - lest the offend anybody.
Of course it does. The Feds have already demonstrated any border agent caught defending the U.S. or their own lives will be sent to prison. So it’s open season for the Mexicans to do what ever they want. Our so-called leaders sure won’t try to stop or prosicute them.
There is an entire “Boeing” gift store over in the Crystal City Arcade undergound shopping mall, {Arlington,VA} where you can buy Boeing hats, briefcases, shirts, etc. with the company logo them. I wonder if they sell fence segments. At the least, they ought to have to return the money to Uncle Sam, plus punitive damages for the ridicule this has caused. Whoever built those sound-proof walls around the Beltway and on U.S.66 could build the damn fence in six months and it would function. Why not give them the chance and the $65 million?
Will Boing give some of the $ back for this failed project? Why were they give $65 million because THEY used the wrong software.
Also, it is obvious that Bush does not want the border closed. Neither does McCain or any of the other; they will all keep making some lame excuses. At least I won’t have it on my conscience that I have voted for a person (McCain, Barak Hussein Obama or Hillary) that destroyed the US and turned it into a 3d world country. If Southern CA is an exaple of what we are in for, God help us.
Well I feel a little better. Just wrote an email to Tom Cole Chair of the NRCC
John Ansel, that is simply beautiful!!!!!! Bravo. Can you share the email address so some other former GOP supporters could express ourselves?
Thanks Realimmigranchick. Here is something even better than the email. It’s part of the email request to call and reserve for the meeting.
Email address was website@nrcc.org and I BCC’d local RNC leaders.
Bravo John Ansell! I’ve returned each request for donations empty with a note explaining why. They don’t listen, but we need to keep speaking.
RealImmigrantChick - I’m saddened to admit that SoCal does seems to reflect the direction the leaders of both parties are going - without any of us. Plus Berzerkly and Frisco.
We need to get people focused on local and congressional elections or else….
Thanks John Ansell. I agree Perfesser. I am so sadened by the state of things. I will vote for Congress and local matters here in TX.
Well, at least in Prince William County, Virginia, they are fleeing..en mass. Unfortunately, more and more of them are coming to Fairfax County.
RealImmigrantChick, I already voted absentee in Texas. I feel better going to the polls and looking them in the eye, so to speak, but didn’t have a choice this time. Do vote people, staying home or failing to mail your absentee ballot will ensure we lose.
Well Perfeser, I’m stuck with Harman and given the amount of money her hubby has, Jane will be there until she’s ready to retire. We need term limits now more than ever
Our corporate overlords own our political overlords. They want a new world order and the NAU is a start. These guys aren’t destroying American sovereignity because they are dumb - they are doing it because they think they are smarter than we are and because they think they are going to get even richer by doing it.
And the American electorate is doing its utmost to see that it happens. I see so much denial - ‘it’s all a conspiracy theory and you are all dumb if you believe it’ - the Constitution will save us.. Well bull - we are already losing the freedom of speech - McCain-Feingold, the Fairness Doctrine will be back, the hate speech and crimes legislation… what else has to happen for you to deal with what is happening.
I read the comments on the Conservative blogs - your concern about someones view on abortion or gay marriage or the HLA - is more important than the sovereignity of the US and maintaining our system of government. We insist on litmus tests that eliminate the ability of some very patriotic individuals to help this country - the same kind of identity politics that has radicalized the left. We help destroy a candidate because - oh God forbid - he is a Mormon - we can only support a “true” Christian. And truthfully I did have my concerns about Mitt - but that is based on his corporate background - and what I see the global (once American) corporations have promulgated on America.
Yes - some of you feel strongly about these social issues - I truthfully disagree with you on many - but I have been willing to disregard them and support a Conservative candidate if they were true believers because the US meant more to me.
I am a little “c” conservative in the current conservative arena - and probably a little “c” Christian according to the views I see. I believe conservatism is a political and not a social ideology and I believe the latter is destroying our ability to save America.
Sorry for the diatribe, but I am so angry with what I see is happening to my country and how we are hamstringing ourselves so much that we will lose what we hold dear about America.
Too much emphasis on the fence and not enough on enforcement of our immigration and employment laws.
The fence has been a welcome distraction for the imbeciles in DC. If we concentrate on ETL (Enforce the Laws) the invaders will not stay if they know the free ride is coming to an end due to enforcement.
So, uh, tell me more about this Nader guy. And Perot. What’s he doing nowadays?
zyzzyg said:
Damstraight. Let them file an I-130 for a legal visa like many of us have had to do!
Marrying an illegal is a crime, no?
Unaffilated, no problem with the diatribe. I agree, the Constitution won’t save us. They ignore it, or if they are challenged, they come back with it being a “living, breathing” document…whatever that means. I’ve seen the Constitution a few times. I can report, with confidence, that it isn’t alive or breathing. I disagree with McCain-Feingold; a big mistake. I also don’t care if the candidate is Mormon or even Jehovah Witness, if he/she came out with conservative values. Heck, I’d vote for a moslem if he was a conservative moslem and came out 100% against terrorism and border violations…and wanted the country to be a country of the American dream. With most politicians it is, “Me first, party second, country third”. What happened to the statesmen where “country first” counted for something?
I know, let’s put the feds in charge of our healthcare too!
NumbersUsa says republican leaders in the House need a little nudge in helping to force a vote on the SAVE ACT sponsored by conservative democrat Heath Shuler and republican Brian Bilbray.This is enforcement only and legislation.NumbersUsa endorses this bill.
Thanks graysonret - I sometimes think that my “old-fashioned” view of America and my conservatism based on Goldwater and the old-timers is discounted every time I see those basic political values secondary to the new values of Conservatism. I do think on social issues I have a touch of liberatarian!
I am a capitalist, but what we have now is what I refer to as unfettered Capitalism. The system that allowed these people to flourish is being pushed aside for greed and power. The new breed of capitalists unfortunately have been borne out of the socialism that infects our academia - so they also have been educated (rather miseducated) to believe that America is always wrong.
As far as religion - I agree with you - if it is the right person I don’t care what his religious background is (or his social value system). Unlike you I have to admit I’d have a problem with a Moslem .. and probably a Scientologist… but I’d be willing to listen.
Our elected officials on both sides of the aisle (I was going to say fence, but well…)are bumbling, incompetent, narcissistic, self-indulgent egomaniacs who care only about votes and cocktail parties.
Americans on both sides of the aisle want the darn fence built, and illegals stopped from streaming in.
We do not understand why, when we can send man to the moon, shuttles into orbit, and blast wayward satellites to smithereens in the great beyond, a fence can’t be built.
It’s a SOFTWARE problem? Gimme a break.
Looks like good legislation, PTN. Here’s the link about it at Numbers USA:
Attrition Through Enforcement
How many examples do you need people? Arm yourselves, and do not wait for the government to protect you. They do not care what any of us think. They are funded by special interest groups.
Consider large dogs you raise with love to alert you, and help you should you need it. Once a week clean your weapons. Make sure your BDU’s, head light, and gloves or ready to put on in a hurry. Keep your door locked.
Don’t forget to put some polish on those boots men!
Gee…you mean congress lied to us in order to shut us up? Say it ain’t so. /sarcasm
The Mexico militia are setting up machine gun nests from time to time ON AMERICAN SOIL in their attempts to rescue their stuff from American security forces, usually the Border PAtrol.
Maybe the American government and Mexico would like to see a bunch of AMERICAN machine gun nests set up on the American side to protect our border, with all that “foreign aid” money from American taxpayers. Just to match the ones set up by Mexico on American soil, these days.
All my life, I remember stories of how our military, or sheriffs and possies have stopped square on that border when chasing any type of outlaw, or Indian raiders on the American side, when they cross the border, our officials respecting that border regardless of the damage the escaping marauders have done to American and Texas settlers.
Maybe we have been way too easy on them. They haven’t ever tasted what they’ve DISHED. I refer to both our own govt and to Mexico, for what they have dished to AMerican Citizens.
It is not a good thing for abusive souls to never taste what they dish. This side of Hell - it gives them no opportunity on this earth to ponder their own conduct, and their own lack of wisdom. That just isn’t fair, you know.
I don’t have the slightest doubt that this is intentional. Bush is determined to destroy America and turn it into a corporate vision of cheap labor and Chinese labor slavery.
Civil War, is looking increasingly more inevitable.
OmbreRose, maybe we need another General Pershing…
This is a terrible article about the fence and problems. There state there are some problems with some software but not what they are or how much they are effecting the fence overall. I mean I caught this line:
“while flawed, still has helped Homeland Security apprehend 2,000 illegal immigrants since September”
and I bet that is more then double they got in the area without the fence. Of course the media is against the fence so I guess they will put any news they can on it in a negative way.
The problem with the fence is FINANCE
as in
Fence Is Non-existant And Never Coming — Ever
and STATISTICS
as in
Support The Amnesty That I‘ll Sneak Through In Congressional Subterfuge
brooklyn red said:
No. You can marry whomever you want. But like marrying a convicted criminal, you have to face the fact that your relationship will be fraught with hardships and you’ll be spending a lot of time apart until you both get right with the law.