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Authorities have extended their search to Utah

and San Diego, CA

Von Bergendorff’s neighbor in La Mesa also recalled his experimenting with dangerous substances when he lived there.

Von Bergendorff lived in a house near Salt Lake City for more than a year before moving to Las Vegas about a year ago, said Tammy Ewell, who lives across the street

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They have said Tholen arrived in Las Vegas after Von Bergendorff summoned an ambulance and was hospitalized Feb. 14 in critical condition.

Good points, although I disagree that the Oklahoma City Federal building was really a civilian target. Definitely a gray area, but if the sign says it’s the government, then it’s the government.

In the broadest sense, every violent criminal is a terrorist, but by using the term judiciously, we maintain our essential focus. I disagree with much of what George Bush has done, but I do credit him for staying on target.

Let’s wait to see what happens in Vegas.

Top of the mornin’.

First I certainly agree 100% that making everything into a crisis is a problem itself. If everyone that owns a certain type of firearm, for example, can be called a terrorist, they can be dealt with harshly for no legitimate reason.

I still disagree on characterizing certain people as not terrorists. There are still different types of terrorists, as well as different reasons to terrorize. In fact, one reason the OK city bombers were considered terrorists is the fact that their target was not military. The Federal building may represent the government, but it contained purely civilian personel.

I see your point about not calling every bad act we see terror, but that doesn’t mean some of them aren’t. In this particular case, we still shouldn’t rule it out until we know more.

The distinction between a murderous criminal and a terrorist is important because, without it, those who oppose the war on terror use your examples as excuses to not toughen our laws and approach to a very different type of threat. Sure, almost any violent criminal can frighten and “terrorize”, but overusing the “terrorist” characterization diminishes its impact. Consider how everything from health care to climate change is now a “crisis”.

This moron could be acting entirely on his own. Ricin is very lethal stuff.
He is quite obviously dangerous to both Himself and Others.

I read a previous post about a 2nd Amendment application of Ricin. I can assure that there is absolutely NONE.
The 2nd Amendment covers FIREARMS, not Chemical Weapons or WMDs.

The presence of an Anarchist Handbook makes Him neither An Anarchist or a Terrorist. The presence of Ricin makes him both very stupid and very dangerous.

He might be a victim of his own stupidity however as police are still unable to determine why Ricin was in his room. Michelle Malkin caught this one from the Las Vegas Review Journal:
The Las Vegas hotel suite where vials of ricin were found Thursday a…

Now, the animal rights wackos, I’m not agreeing with you there. These people are terrorists. They are attacking people in an effort to scare them into stopping some action they are opposed to.

And the Unabomber? Not a terrorist? He was absolutely against the very foundation of our culture, but could not assault the gov’t, Wall Street, or really any size target, so he went after individuals that had done him no harm. He’s the very definition of a terrorist.

A terrorist does not have to belong to any group. He can be alone and act alone. There doesn’t necessarily have to be an organized political reason. If the purpose is to scare people into doing something, or to attack innocent people for no logical reason, that is a terrorist.

Sorry, but two “pastey white guys”, the Unabomber, and some animal rights persons are not terrorists, and neither are violent abortion opponents. Terrorism involves attacking the innocent because the true targets are too formidable to attack directly. A government entity cannot be a victim of terrorism – rebellion, yes, insurrection, yes, but not terrorism. Nichols and McVeigh had a grudge against the U.S., and bombed a federal facility, not a civilian office complex such as the World Trade Center. They were insurrectionists, were caught and punished appropriately. The Unabomber was a deranged loner, as are many serial killers. Animal rights activists have targeted the places where they believe harm is being done, not some outdoor market filled with innocent shoppers.

While I’ll agree that there can be single cell terrorists, in general they are part of semi-organized groups and are pursuing political objectives through fear, mayhem, and intimidation.

On Tuesday, management at the hotel began eviction procedures and called Las Vegas police after discovering four firearms in the suite, the Homeland Security memo states.

Police then found an anarchist textbook that was “tabbed” to a section on ricin, Lombardo said.

That discovery prompted police investigators to test the room for the deadly substance. The test was negative.

On Thursday, a man who “claimed to be a relative” was in the suite and discovered several vials of ricin in a bag, along with castor beans from which the substance is derived, Suey said.

The police found the anarchist textbook that was tabbed to a section on ricin on Tuesday. This prompted them to test the room for ricin, but no one noticed the bag of castor beans and ricin vials until the “relative” showed up on Thursday. How big is this hotel room, anyway?

Nevertheless, Las Vegas police continued to downplay the significance of the ricin discovery, saying they had ruled out terrorism as a motive.

“I want to assure everybody that the Las Vegas Valley is safe,” Las Vegas police Capt. Joseph Lombardo said. “We don’t currently have any terrorist threat at this time or possibility of contamination (due) to ricin.”

Do you think their main concern is to inform the public, or is it to assure the public so we feel safe to come spend our money in Las Vegas?

I can’t say for sure that this man intended to harm anyone. But until a reasonable explanation for the ricin is given, I’m not going to be as quick to rule out terrorism as the Vegas police seem to be.

What was strange from the beginning is that the authorities refused to disclose the identity of the individual. Even stranger is that everyone at the hotel and the parent company clamed up. No information from hospital sources. No police contacts saying a word. No one is talking.

Also, there has been no description of the man released. If this was a 50 year old white guy I think that information would have been released.

No link to terrorism? While all of us travel with ricin, WMD instructions, multiple pets and 4 firearms, you think they would be treating this as terrorism related until they could positively exclude it.

Let’s not forget that Al Qaeda has published ricin making instructions. And captured tapes early in the Afghanistan war showed the use of small animals used by Al Qaeda to test the potency and effect of their chemical and biological mixtures. And that there are many European muslims (“lilly whites”) that Al Qaeda has recruited into their fold.

Granted, this could be some depressed chemist who is missing a few cards from his deck. But the fact that no one with any information is talking to anyone from the press makes that possibility less believable as time goes on. What else did they find in the room, who did the guy talk to, what was he doing in Vegas, where was he getting his money, was he paying all of his bills in cash? Lots of questions without answers.

The OK City Bombing was carried out by two pastey white guys named Nichols and McVeigh. They weren’t Muslim.

The Unabomber was a former Berkely Math Professor.

E.L.F. and the other idiot animal rights “persons of interest” aren’t Muslim, either.

Do I need to go on here? While the cookbook, the gun, and maybe even the Ricin could be explained away individually, found together and in a Vegas hotel room really smells. The gov’t shouldn’t say yet that we know there is no terrorism invloved.