Will Ohio and Texas put Hillary out of her misery? Update: Women (or is that womyn) debate Steinem’s gynocidal remarks
Update: The View on Steinem’s gynocentric views…
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The polls show Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama neck-and-neck in Ohio and Texas leading into “Super Tuesday II” tomorrow. Will Hillary be put out of her bitter misery or live to attack another day after suffering 11 consecutive, humiliating defeats in a row?
Democratic presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are in a close battle for support among likely Texas primary voters, while Clinton leads Obama in Ohio, an American Research Group Inc. poll shows.
Clinton, a New York senator, and Obama, an Illinois senator, are tied with 47 percent support each among Texas voters, the poll conducted Feb. 29-March 1 found. A similar poll taken Feb. 27-28 had Obama leading 51-44 percent.
In Ohio, Clinton is ahead 51-44 percent among the state’s likely Democratic primary voters. That’s little changed from the 50-45 percent advantage she had in an earlier February poll. Four percent of voters in both Texas and Ohio remain undecided, the new poll found.
Democratic primaries in Texas, Ohio, Rhode Island and Vermont are scheduled for March 4. Clinton is counting on wins in Texas and Ohio to boost her standing after 11 straight losses to Obama.
The poll showed Clinton leading Obama 52 percent to 40 percent in Rhode Island, while trailing him 34 percent to 60 percent in Vermont.
A separate Reuters/C-SPAN/Houston Chronicle tracking poll showed 47 percent of Texas Democrats backed Obama compared with 43 percent for Clinton. The poll was conducted Feb. 28-March 1. A similar Texas tracking poll Feb. 26-28 had Obama leading 48-42 percent.
In Ohio, Clinton received 47 percent support compared with Obama’s 46 percent. A similar poll Feb. 26-28 showed Clinton with 44 percent compared with Obama’s 42 percent, the tracking poll found.
The talking points of Hillary surrogates are getting downright ridiculous. Beyond snort-worthy. Wesley Clark and Gloria Steinem argue simultaneously that Hillary has superior training over John McCain to lead the military because wearing a uniform and being held captive in wartime don’t give you any strategic wisdom and because, unlike all those evil military men and women who serve and defend our country, Hillary hasn’t been “trained to kill” and “play war games.” Here’s Steinem mocking McCain’s POW history ia the NYObserver:
McCain was, in fact, a prisoner of war for around five-and-a-half years, during which time he was tortured repeatedly. Referring to his time in captivity, Steinem said with bewilderment, “I mean, hello? This is supposed to be a qualification to be president? I don’t think so.”
Steinem’s broader argument was that the media and the political world are too admiring of militarism in all its guises.
“I am so grateful that she [Clinton] hasn’t been trained to kill anybody. And she probably didn’t even play war games as a kid. It’s a great relief from Bush in his jump suit and from Kerry saluting.”
To the Observer, Steinem insisted that “from George Washington to Jack Kennedy and PT-109 we have behaved as if killing people is a qualification for ruling people.”
Other Clinton proxies, notably Black Entertainment Television founder Bob Johnson and a New Hampshire campaign chair, Billy Shaheen, have generated controversies with their criticisms of Obama. By contrast, Steinem told me the Illinois senator was “an intelligent, well-intentioned person.” She added: “I would like very much to see him be president for eight years after Hillary has been president for eight years.”
But she also opined that “a majority of Americans want redemption for racism, for our terrible destructive racist past and so see a vote for Obama as redemptive.” Then, using a term for the mass killing of women, she added, “I don’t think as many want redemption for the gynocide.”
“They acknowledge racism—not enough, but somewhat,” Steinem continued. “They would probably be less likely to acknowledge that the most likely way a pregnant woman is to die is murder from her male partner. There are six million female lives lost in the world every year simply because they are female.”
And, of course, pointing out that a loser of 11 primaries and caucuses in a row might want to consider hanging it up is SEXISM, too:
In her speech, Steinem argued that there was a major sexist component to the murmurs from some quarters suggesting Clinton should abandon her presidential quest.
There is, she said, “a great deal of pressure at play for her to act like her gender and give in.” Several shouts of “No!” came from the crowd. Steinem went on: “It’s a way of reinforcing the gender roles, right? Men are loved if they win and Hillary is loved if she loses…But maybe we shouldn’t be so afraid of an open convention that actually decides something. After all, it was an open convention in New York City that gave us Abraham Lincoln.”
The classy ending and the update:
Steinem, like any good politician, also made sure to praise her surroundings. True to her own spirit, though, she did so in less decorous terms than any candidate for office would dare.
Other than Austin, she said, “there is no community in the whole world that understands how to include everybody, how to be serious and have a good time at the same time, how to be fan-fucking-tastic” quite so well.
UPDATE: The Clinton campaign sends over the following statement from Howard Wolfson: “Senator Clinton has repeatedly praised Senator McCain’s courage and service to our country. These comments certainly do not represent her thinking in any way. Senator Clinton intends to have a respectful debate with Senator McCain on the issues.”
Of course she does. You’re a bleeping SEXIST if you suggest otherwise. And don’t you dare, dare, dare question their patriotism.
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Meanwhile, Obama and his surrogate Jay Rockefeller tout his own “international crisis” experience:
Sen. Barack Obama said he is more qualified than his rival to deal with an international crisis and on Sunday brought the U.S. Senate’s top intelligence official to Ohio to vouch for him.
U.S. Sen. Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia, chairman of the Senate intelligence committee, said Obama shows more than a rookie interest in intelligence estimates.
“He knows what’s going on,” Rockefeller said, adding that Obama’s style to negotiate with both the nation’s friends and enemies is a welcome change to the unilateral posture of the Bush administration. Dealing with a national crisis is more than sending bombs, “but forging relationships in the world,” Rockefeller said.
Like, you know, being able to dance with a sword and hold hands with the Sauds.
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Reading the other side’s bloviating always reminds me to be thankful I’m not one of them.
I’m not going to miss hearing about Hill ‘08 after Tuesday…
Steinam and Clark are relevant how?
This is nothing more than mindless babble. Move along….
No Hillary, unfortunately will still be with us and miserable as a NY Senator.
Gotta admit, that Gloria is one classy broad.
What fantasy-alternate universe does Gloria Steinem live in? Honestly, you would think at her advanced age she would finally grow up and leave her childish delusions about Americans behind her. And while being a POW may not qualify one for POTUS, neither does being an ‘advocate’ for womens rights. If that is what Hillary is claiming as her qualification, she should be applying for a position with NOW or a Womens Studies Department at some university.
Steinem.
Proving once again why she is the personification of a nulk.(urban dictionary:def.#1)
Actually nulk is appropriate for Clark as well.
And Hillary? Yup!
General Wesley Clark continues to show us why he was “FIRED” from his command in Kosovo and asked to retire by the Department of Defense and President of the United States. As much as I detest McCain the politician McCain the former Naval Officer has my respect for his service to this country and the suffering at the hands of the North Vietnamese during his time in the Hanoi Hilton. Gloria Steinem needs an open hand “B” slap to the face for her attempt at degrading the genuine torture he and others suffered at the hands of her communist friends. I still am planning on writing in “none of the above” in November, but as a veteran and graduate of the USAF Survival School in 1979 I have to come to the defense of Capt. McCain’s experiences and those of other POWs that were used to prepare us if we were ever unfortunate enough to fall into enemy hands alive.
Hillary Clinton shame on you and your vile attack dogs!
I call BS on the “most likely way a pregnant woman is to die is murder” meme.
From a quick search, I found this. It puts murder at the second most common cause of injury related death, after auto accidents. But the risk is still almost infinitesimally small; 617 pregnancy-related homicides in the US between 1991 and 1999 is a tragedy, to be sure, but not the kind of crisis that she implies.
Regarding what Wesley Clark said about Hilary going to 80 different countries as part of her “experience”…I remember talk of wanting her to reimburse the government for her expenses to some countries because they weren’t official government state business. Does anyone remember if this was ever done or was it just talk? If she did have to reimburse the government for her pleasure trip around the world, can someone tell Wesley!
I hope they drag this out until the Democrat Convention, and then I hope whoever loses decides to run on as an Independant. A 3-way race at the General Election is great as long as 2 of them are Dems to split the vote.
(Hmmm…just realized that any 2 of the 3 could be considered Dems.)
*Scratches head in confusion*
Gloria’s talk is sexist in itself. Her words remind me of the Jimmy Carter days when he gave away the farm to the liar Arafat and was fooled by that terrorist. Clinton has no idea about the evils of this world and what our military does to keep the wolves from the door.
If traveling to eighty countries qualifies someone to be Commander-in-Chief, then I recommend any Singapore Airlines flight attendant in lieu of
HillaryClint♂n. We would then have a POTUS smarter and more attractive than ol’ Pumpkin Legs.Steinem said
One thing McCain’s captivity taught him was perseverance and determination. The only thing Hillary has been through to learn the same attributes is how to tell a lie and get away with it or her resolve to “stand by her man” when he was caught with Monica.
I’d rather have someone who will have the fortitude and grit to confront our country’s enemies than chicken livered, gutless wonders like Hillary and Obama who want to “talk about it”. These types need to step aside and let the real patriots take care of business.
I suppose the real reason Gloria chimed in at this stage of the game is that she sees the handwriting on the wall that Hillary’s campaign is in deep trouble.
Any one over the age of 16 who uses “I mean, Hello?” in an arguemnet does not deserve to be taken seriously.
Chief,
“Clinton has no idea of the evils…..”
Let’s rephrase that.
She is one of the Evils in this world.
But Michelle, I enjoy questioning the patriotism of democraps! They have no patriotism so it’s a two-fer, it’s the truth and their reaction is fun to watch.
And the most likely way a child will die is when their mother, pregnant with them, terminates the pregnancy. There are just over 1 million defenseless babies murdered each year by their own mothers terminating the pregnancy.
Oh, I’m sorry. Murdering a defenseless baby by abortion is a right!
Will Hillary be put out of her bitter misery
Don’t you mean, “Will she be put out of OUR misery?”
McCain was, in fact, a prisoner of war for around five-and-a-half years, during which time he was tortured repeatedly. Referring to his time in captivity, Steinem said with bewilderment, “I mean, hello? This is supposed to be a qualification to be president? I don’t think so.”
Is being first lady for eight years supposed to be a qualification to be president? I don’t think so.
I wonder what percentage of those lives lost happen in Islamic (ie. Muslim) countries? (My guess is ‘most of them’)
I wonder why she’s not stumpin’ on that fact?
#18 “Defenseless babies being murdered each year”.
I’m sure it is much more than 1 million in the world if you include how many girl babies the Chinese abort or the abortions Russians use as birth control.
Always amazes me that the unborn are deemed to have no rights, but scum like Mumia and OJ get a pass from liberals.
We wonder how a Hitler rose to power and now see the same mass hypnosis prevailing with Obambi. That couple would be the Clintons redux and Jimmy Carter II combined. And don’t mention his middle name or you’re a racist pig. Face it, how many people buy into the bogus argument that we need to elect this crook to assuage our white racist guilt. Or will vote for Hillary simply because she has a vagina and is a socialist?
Ruling people?
Good catch corkie.
Steinem’s one marriage came late in life to a very rich South African who died of cancer three years later. Why do I think “Anna Nicole” when I review this relationship?
Obama praised Rockefeller for his “Nay” vote on the Iraq war. Problem is…Rocky voted “Yea” on the Iraq war resolution.
D’oh!
All I know is that our country is in a sad state if the people remaining for president are the best ‘leaders’ our country has to offer.
Hillary would not be near DC if it was not for her husband - now she wants to run it.
Obama wouldn’t be near the White House if he wasn’t black because a white guy with his ‘experience’ wouldn’t be experienced enough.
The fact that people say that electing Obama will ‘prove’ to the world how un-racist this country is is no reason to vote for somebody for president. I’ve heard it from several sources. . . ya know, we could just elect Osama bin Laden to prove how merciful we are too - doesn’t make it a good idea. And it doesn’t ‘prove’ anything to anyone else. Our country is the most diverse on the planet. Everyone has equal opportunity - if that’s not ‘proof’ enough, then proof is not needed.
Then we have McCain who - apart from getting shot down in Vietnam and an uneventful senate career during a time when the legislative branch has been wasting our money - is wholly uninspiring.
Hillary out of her misery? Please lets just skip the election, pick the least likely president and move on with our lives. Put AMERICA out of our misery with this selection of candidates.
How many people have lawyers been responsible for killing directly or indirectly throughout history?
Living here at Ground Zero where Obama and Hillary are dueling for the Hispanic vote, I can’t wait to see how it shakes out tomorrow.
Satan (Moveon.org) called our home on behalf of Obama and left a message. Even my teenager was snorting at the Obama tv ad we saw about 20 times last night. To me the ad seems like a 60ish anti-war rally. “We can change the world.” “We can save the planet.” They show a picture of a storm-damaged house on top of a car, so I guess we’re supposed to understand that Obama will end hurricanes, as well as war. I feel like I’m in a hippy time-warp.
These liberals are so inconsistent. In 2004, NOBODY, not even Vietnam War veterans were allowed to criticize Lurch.
Now they say that McCain is not a war hero and his being a true veteran is a bad thing. Are they serious?!
I think it shows desperation on the part of Democrats. The quite Muslim and extremely Marxist Hugo Chavez-like Hussein Obama will be crushed by McCain; Hillary will be a bigger threat to McCain but will still lose, I predict.
from FIRED AS NATO COMMANDER
And we should listen to this man?
These two don’t know Jack and Jack is the one doing all the screaming. These have to be two of the must un-qualified candidates next to Kerry, Carter and Gore. Clueless! And the fact that Steinem is speaking in favor of Hillary. I thought she died long ago. Too bad.
Gabe said —
“These liberals are so inconsistent. In 2004, NOBODY, not even Vietnam War veterans were allowed to criticize Lurch. Now they say that McCain is not a war hero and his being a true veteran is a bad thing. Are they serious?!”
Yep. This is what we get when we have a party and their psycho-phants that can only focus on personalities rather than principles. And their cohorts, the MSM, aid and abet them in their “Presidential Debates” and so-called (media determined) “debate questions”, “in depth interviews” and “analysis”.
It’s like watching the Oscars where the only things covered are what happens between the limou and the lobby, with no body of work or the principles behind them ever anal-yzed or critiqued. And if they genuinely do, they will be denied “access” to propogate more of their bullcrap.
I dropped my son off at school this morning, and on the way we saw a woman holding a “HILLARY ‘08″ sign on a busy street corner in the Medical Center area.
The problem with that is . . . the woman was about 250 pounds and built like a lumberjack. Not that there’s anything WRONG with being built like a lumberjack . . . but if you want to get Texas Drivers’ attention at 8:00 am, you want Pamela Anderson lookin’ women — not “American Gladiators” or “WWF.”
Perhaps she’s simply representative of the kind of women who support Hillary. That’s certainly the image I drew from my drive-by encounter with her.
So as I’m having my “encounter” with Lumberjack Woman, what pops on the radio but Hillary’s campaign commercial. The first line out of the speakers of this commercial says:
Now, I have this dim, murky memory of the First Lady talking to somebody, talking about doing campaign stops on their first campaign for elected office; driving around the state in a convertible with no working heater registering voters. For the life of me I can’t remember where I’ve heard that. So I did a quick Google Search for biographies of Hillary Clinton. I looked at the White House Website; the U.S. Senate Website; the Biography.com Website; and Hillary’s own campaign website. I even checked Wikipedia (which has a plethora of information, both complimentary and otherwise) as well as Project Vote Smart, which you would think would have SOME mention of her vote-registration activities, right?
So I mentioned this memory to my wife, and she remembered the reference immediately. Remember the Movie “Dave” (1993) with Kevin Kline? Remember when Dave and Ben Kingsley are sitting on the couches in the oval office, talking about how their political careers began “traveling around in an old convertible with no heat, registering voters, getting out the vote — that sort of stuff.”
Now, I’m not accusing Hillary of cherry-picking a quote from the movie “Dave”, mind you. But the question remains — WHEN has Hillary Rodham Clinton EVER registered a voter? And if she was the First Lady of Arkansas at the time, what the HECK was she doing registering voters in TEXAS?
Links and clips at my website:
http://jdlong.blogspot.com
~~JD~~
Hillary hasn’t been “trained to kill” and “play war games.”
The military does not teach you how to kill,they teach you how to survive,killing is part of that.Those 2 poverty pimps would never know that.
It’s incredible to me that Steinem looks down on people who were in service to defend our country and the lives of people all over the world as war-gamers and killers, but I’m sure she thinks abortionists and their customers are downright heroic.
And in true Baby Boomer Never Grow’ed Up fashion, she classily drops the f-bomb at the end.
What a moron. Easily one of the most overrated personalities of the last 50 years.
Docflash. Got to disagree with you. Without sounding hokey, our training, well for the vast majority of my time in the army, has centered on how to get myself or my unit into a position from which to close with and destroy the enemy. His vehicles, equipment, and people. The current mission notwithstanding, yes we are trained to kill. You win by destoying the other guy, not by surviving.
When will Glorious Stainham admit that the worst place in the world to be a woman is a Muslim country?
Tre, I would love a reporter to ask Hillary, “Is Laura Bush qualified to be POTUS?” Well, Laura didn’t have to go through the non-sex, sex scandal. LOL
Cav, your correct,I didnt state it right.Warrior fighting is one thing,surviving and killing the enemy.The lefts view of us in the military is that we’re all over the edge killers. That is not how we’re trained.You and I both know that’s a crock.
Something people don’t seem to want to understand. Particularly the part about things worth fighting for.Think it was General Schwartzkopf who also said the function of the military is to break things and kill people.
Vince? Hello, Vince? Vince Foster? Where are you?
Forget about putting Hillary out of her own misery. Can Ohio and Texas put her out, so I am not so miserable from listening to and watching her?
Oh. That’s not training, roadrage. Pure instinct.
Yes. She has such a way with the English language, doesn’t she?
I would love to see a no-holds-barred televised debate between Steinem and Michelle on the status of women. Based on both words and actions, feminists appear to have a deep psychological hangup on the seductiveness of Asian women luring “their” men out from under their thumb. Laws making it harder for American men to find foreign wives and the sexually oriented nature of the venom hurled at Michelle tend to confirm this. A confrontation with Michelle and her good looks, sharp independent mind and spunky personality would be Steinem’s worst nightmare. Let the challenges begin.
Since Obama has to answer questions about whether he condemns Farrakhan’s remarks, I wonder if anyone in the MSM will ask Hillary if she will specifically condemn Gloria Steinem’s remarks bashing John McCain for having served in the military during the VietNam war. Hillary is always bragging about how much she does for veterans. So will she answer the questions about Steinem’s attacks on McCain? I am sure that Hillary’s sistahs in the MSM (Cokie Roberts, Diane Sawyer, and Katie Couric)will not ask her anything about it.
Well, it goes to show how little, if any, she knows about American history. Such people assume history to hide what they don’t know, to look educated. Goes to show one thing…she majored in “Stupidity”.
“Sen. Barack Obama said he is more qualified than his rival to deal with an international crisis…”
Could someone please tell me what makes him “more qualified”? I think I missed that somewhere along the line.
I absolutely do not understand this blind fascination with BO that voters seem to have. Again - what is it that I am missing? He does NOTHING for me. I am totally uninspired. Am I just HOPEless?
One thing I noticed that no one else has mentioned is how many people clapped in support of Elisabeth Hasselbeck’s comments. It seemed quite the contrast from the much-publicized fight she had last year with Rosie O’Donnell. Maybe I’m just idealistic, but I found that encouraging.
Does anyone besides me have a hard time taking Joy Behar serious as a person of rational thought talking on Steinsms antics? I can take Whoopie Goldberg more serious than Behar.
Granted, I am not a John McCain fan but Steinem was waaaaaaaaaaaaaay over the line in her comments on McCain and his military service, including his time as a prisoner of war. Geez!
Gee, I have a nasty little comment about Gloria but it would probably get me banned. That being said, Greenfaire said it so well.
SteinsmsSteinem’sI am far from a conspiracy nut (except the vast right wing kind). Oswald acted alone, OJ did it.
That said I can easily buy that the body was moved, but find it a lot harder to believe he was murdered.
I have a very simple question for Ms. Steinem, “HOW DARE YOU?!?”. I may or may not be a supporter of Senator McCain, but his SERVICE to our nation is FAR superior to her SERVICING of the nation! Her antics, ill-chosen words and ceaseless self-aggrandizing antics are shameful - that is if she were to have any shame at all. As to the loons on that particular TV show, they hold no credence with sentient beings on this or any other planet.
A little unfair as Elizabeth ripped into Gloria and even some of the other veiw ladies joined her. Only clueless Bahar defended everything steinum said
Behar seemed to be the only one way out in left field, this time. Although the rest didn’t think Steinem was as repugnant as Elizabeth saw her, they didn’t rush to Steinems defense (a.k.a. Behar’s corner) this time around.
Socialist democrats are just ignorant. Gloria “I hate men” Steinem’s rant that because Hill has no military experience she is then more experienced to lead the military is just crap.
The continued whining that we also need to elect a black person because of our history of slavery is also crap. I would like to know the statue of limitations on how long slavery can be used as a weapon against the rest of America? Will my great grandchildren have to pay for slavery under the political correctness police?
On March 3rd, 2008 at 1:48 pm, terrig said:
My sentiments exactly!
Plus, I don’t think this is the type of support our Hillary needs at this point - especially among pro-military Democrats in Ohio and Texas!
I think she’s just upset because she knows she wouldn’t have gotten a date on Friday night, even in the Hanoi Hilton.
Some of the comments made about John McCain by Steinem have also been made by posters on this site.
I was amazed to find out that Steinem was still around,I thought the Vaginasours were extinct.
JLP
bullcrap.
I grew up in Austin. My parents live just outside of Austin and work in Austin. I can assure you that Austin is second only to Berkley in dysfunction. The “inclusiveness” has all but destroyed what was once an awesome place to live.
Texas Monthly said it best in a piece on who the movers and shakers were in all the cities of Texas, they referred to Austin as similar to Beirut (this was in the early 90s I believe). The article listed phone numbers of the orgs or people to call to get things done. In Austin they gave you the number of Southwest Airlines. Their suggestions, book a flight out of town. No one was in charge or able to get anything done in Austin. Amen!
They are paying the price for the short-sighted liberalism that gripped Austin for much of the 70s 80s and 90s.
All you have to do is take a look at Aqua-fest and see how things have changed. In the 70s and 80s the leaders of Austin ran the show. Business, Political, School leaders, and many of the powerful spent untold time and effort without pay to put on a great festival. They all put politics aside to make it work. They finally tired of the nonsense from loons on the left and gave up. Most have moved out of Austin, and have taken much of their business with them. Today, you are lucky to get someone you can call a leader to help with Aqua-fest. They still don’t get it.
On March 3rd, 2008 at 5:14 pm, Mookie said:
I agree, but it just sounds so much more nefarious, meaner when Steinem says it.
Wesley Clark, alumnus of West Point, ain’t no Eisenhower. He has ZERO standing with his former classmates, commanding officers, troops and the odd
Boyer Girl Scout. Other than being relieved early from his CINCEUR post (never a career enhancer) GEN Clark was HRC’s stalking horse in the last election cycle. Those are his positives. Can anyone add to the list of negatives?As for Gloria Steinem, if she and Barbra Streisand were together in one room, the IQ level may reach room temperature.