Alamo Tuesday showdown: Will Hillary finally get a gold medal? Update: Obama takes Vermont; Update: McCain wins Ohio; more polling hour extensions; Update: 10 percent of “Democrat” voters in Ohio and Texas are GOP crossovers; Update 8:38pm: Long lines in Dallas; Huckabee plans for “concession;” Update: It’s official–McCain clinches nomination; Update: Hillary gets her gold in RI, leading in OH; Update: Hill wins Ohio, RI, “We’re going all the way! YES WE WILL!”; Update Hillary leading in TX, Obama declares, “Update: BO: “We are on are way to winning this nomination;” Update 12:47am Eastern. Hillary wins Texas
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Photo on the McCain website.
Photo via Yahoo! News.
I’m opening up a new nighttime thread as we await the results of “Alamo Tuesday.”
Ed and Allah are liveblogging at HA with a cool new widget. Check ‘em out!
Turnout has been heavy in all four states holding contests today.
As noted in my brief Democrat Dirty Tricks post, there are reports that Ohio’s Secretary of State is rebuking the Obama campaign “for trying to staff precincts with poll workers who presented insufficient credentials.”
First polls close in half an hour.
CNN’s now reporting new exit poll data. In Ohio, a class split. Those without college degrees are voting heavily for Hillary over Obama 56-43. College grads went for Obama 56-42.
The 3am ad effect in Texas: Who’s most qualified to be C-in-C? Hillary won 55-39.
Hillary also beat out Obama as the dirtier campaigner, 52-36.
Vermont voters were asked about what superdelegates should do.
Two thirds of Vermont Dems said superdelegs should “vote the will of the people.” Same margin in other states.
The Rush effect: Heavy crossover of Republicans voting in the Dem contests. Via the Plain Dealer:
Poll watchers throughout Ohio are noting large numbers of Republican voters crossing over to vote in the Democratic Primary between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.
In the Republican roost of Chagrin Falls, veteran poll worker Liz McFadden was amazed at the number of people jumping the party’s ship. Democrats accounted for 70 percent of the voters in her precinct, one of seven at the village’s high school.
“That’s a complete reversal of what it normally is, even more so,” she said. “I’ve never seen a switch like this.”
The defectors had motives both pure and sinister.
One woman voted for Clinton in hopes of delivering John McCain a weaker debate opponent. Another picked Obama because her vote could help deny Clinton and her husband a return trip to the White House.
A 69-year-old Catholic nun, Sister Ann Marie, was converted to the Clinton camp because of the former first lady’s experience. John Baggett, another ex-Republican for Clinton, said he simply wanted to switch, and Clinton represented a known commodity.
“I’m happy with Republicans, in general,” Baggett, 50, said. “I don’t believe they’ve done a good job the last eight years.”
CBS exit poll results:
The economy was the top issue for Democratic voters in all four states voting today, and large majorities say the economy is in bad shape.
Ohio Democratic voters hold mostly negative views on U.S. trade with other countries: Eight in ten say trade takes jobs away from their state. In Texas, 58 percent say trade takes jobs away, while a quarter say U.S. trade with other countries creates jobs.
Thirty-two percent of Texas Democratic primary voters are Hispanic, according to the early exit polls -– up from the 24 percent in 2004. Eighteen percent are black, down from 21 percent in 2004.
In Ohio, 20 percent of Democratic primary voters are African American, up from 14 percent in 2004.
BBC says it’s hearing that Clinton expects to grab three out of four gold medals tonight.
7:04pm Eastern. Vermont polls closed. Obama and McCain are the projected winners.
Ohio polls close at 7:30pm Eastern. Sandusky County open later due to weather. Or ballot shortage?
7:17pm Eastern. Vermont voters said Obama was more qualified to be C-in-C than Hillary by 51-42.
7:47pm Eastern. The downside of crossing over…
“Don’t give into the temptation to cross over to that other party’s primary
just to vote against someone,” Cuyahoga County chairman Rob Frost urged in an email to party members. “Your Republican candidates have a lot at stake
and want you to vote for something.”What really worries the Republican Party is that cross-overs hurt their voter files, which are based on tracking Republicans through primary votes. Also, a lackluster turnout for McCain might be used against the party.
McCain takes Ohio and its 88 delegates. Cleveland P-D:
.S. Sen. John McCain has won Ohio’s Republican presidential primary, handily beating former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and moving closer to clinching the nomination. Hillary Rodham Clinton is battling to keep her own presidential campaign alive as the state’s primary election concludes.
McCain’s win gives him 88 Republican delegates as he tries to secure the nomination Tuesday. He also won Vermont and pocketed its 17 delegates, according to preliminary data from exit polls of voters.
Commenter Zorro on the Ohio GOP’s concerns about “lackluster turnout:”
The GOP cracks me up. The nominee tells conservatives to F-off and now they are concerned about a lackluster turnout. Now that is funny.
8:26pm Eastern. I’m subjecting myself to MSNBC coverage. Somebody has to do it. Terry McAuliffe is wagging his finger at Chris Matthews for being an ex-Democrat.
Ick.
8:29pm Eastern. More on the crossovers via CNN:
There were concerns that Republican voters would participate in large numbers in the Democratic primaries in Ohio and Texas Tuesday and cause mischief, following a call by Rush Limbaugh for listeners to vote for Hillary Clinton.
Early exit polling shows 10 percent of the voters in Ohio’s Democratic Primary identified themselves as Republican, along with 22 percent who said they were independents. It was the same story in Texas: 10 percent of the voters in the Democratic primary identified themselves as Republican, along with 25 percent who said they were independents.
So much for the talk radio-is-dead meme?
8:38pm Eastern. The DMN reports there are still long lines at the polls.
8:43pm Eastern. Huckabee is trying to get John McCain’s attention as he prepares to “coordinate” his “concession.” But McCain’s going to be busy receiving an endorsement from President Bush at the White House before getting the official RNC blessing.
8:53pm Eastern. Hillary camp raising a stink over illegally obtained “caucus packets.”
8:58pm Eastern. Fox reporting that Huck to speak at 9:15pm.
9:02pm Eastern. It’s official. Sigh. McCain is the GOP presidential nominee. Nose plugs, anyone?
9:10pm Eastern. Huck out tonight? So reports FNC.
Allahpundit in the CoverItLive liveblog comments about Texas/Ohio exit polls results:
“Republicans broke for Obama, but only 53-46. And it’s a reversal of Ohio in ideology. Hillary wins liberals and conservatives(!) and Obama wins moderates. How did Hillary win conservatives? Was that the Limbaugh crossover effect?”
Huck has called McCain, acc. to FNC. Waiting for speech.
Liveblogging speech here.
9:29pm Eastern. Hillary wins Rhode Island, acc. to MSNBC.
The latest OH results with 11 percent of precincts reporting…
9:45pm Eastern. Camp Hillary infused with “grim determination,” says MSNBC’s Howard Fineman.
9:49pm Eastern. McCain speaks. He’s reading from a teleprompter again. Still needs practice. Announces that he’s clinched the delegates. Displays big 1191 sign. Thanks Republicans, Independents, and independent-thinking Democrats. Lavishes praise on Mike Huckabee.
How many times does he say “My friends” in a single speech? I’m going to have to start keeping count. Like the official Hillary Cackle Count. “We are the captains of our fate.”
10:16pm Eastern. Via DMN…
10:23pm Eastern. It’s going to be a loooooong wait for Ohio tallies, note the FNC’ers. Cuyahoga County, in particular. In Texas, Hillary’s taking the rural, small counties, Michael Barone reports. Harris, Dallas, Tarrant County have reported early ballots, but no actual, official, vote day numbers yet. Steve Brown in Ohio reports that Clinton camp is worried about low turnout in southern counties.
11:20pm Eastern. Hill wins Ohio and RI. “We’re going all the way!” Crowd shouts, “Yes, she will.” She has a mini-Dean moment reeling off her state victories. Plugs her website. Thanks Gov. Ted Strickland. He’s her Charlie Crist. “Anything is possible. We’re going to make history.”
YES. WE. WILL.
Promises to turn “hope into reality.”
Blech. How much more of this must we take? Seven more weeks? Really?
11:40pm Eastern. Obama speaks in San Antonio. “We are in the middle of a very close race in Texas…We do know that Sen. Clinton has won in RI and Ohio. Congratulates her. We’ve won the state of Vermont…No matter what happens, we have the same delegate lead we had this morning and we are on are way to winning this nomination. Si, se puede. “We are ready to write the next great chapter in America’s story.”
Obama joined John McCain to congratulate him. Now, attacks him. Ties him to Bush.
12:20am Eastern. Waiting for Texas…
12:36pm Eastern. MSNBC talking heads note that Obama called Clinton tonight. One of the panelists cracks that he should have waited until 3am to call.
12:45am Eastern. Hillary is reportedly hitting six morning talk shows tomorrow. Probably will squeeze in an appearance on the Cartoon Network, too.
12:47am Eastern. Major MSM outlets calling Texas for Hillary. That’s the primary. Caucus results for the Lone Star State won’t be in until at least the weekend.
Next stops: Wyoming on Saturday; Mississippi on Tuesday.
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Please fix the spelling of Alamo.
That is all. Thank you.
That “Cover it live” window is slick. It will come in handy when you Vent at Ustream.tv
Now that it’s Ok to ask his holiness tough questions, I submit:
“What is your relationship to Islam?”
“Do you endorse Hamas actions against Israel?”
“Compare Judaism to Islam.”
“Would you take military action against an Islamic state/NGO?”
These are the types of hard ball questions I think we all know are asked of candidates from the right. Let’s get with it.
Until I hear even one semi-tough q regarding Islam & terrorism, I doubt the impartiality of the news media.
Michelle, I think you are invited to join in on that “Cover it Live” window.
Had to take my husband to have some surgery. When
we arrived home from the clinic, there was a message
from Ms Clinton on my phone. We voted early and
voted GOP! Why is she calling us? Things must be
pretty bad in her camp to call almost lifelong Reps.
I don’t get Rush wanting people to cross over. I would think he’d want Hillary to lose tonight. We know that even if she loses Ohio and Texas she would still stick in it, but it would make her look all the more deranged. If she pulls the two states out of her arse, then she would have a valid point in sticking around.
Please, don’t get me wrong, I know that it will cost them a lot of money to keep this fight going, but lets face the fact: The Dems are going to Crush the Republicans when it comes to raising money.
I agree.
The GOP cracks me up. The nominee tells conservatives to F-off and now they are concerned about a lackluster turnout. Now that is funny.
What the Republican Party needs to worry about is ticking off the base of their party and giving us McInsane and Amnesty.
I don’t doubt that Rush had a hand at getting a good deal to cross over, but I will guess that I bet a good portion of the crossers are due to McAmnesty.
LOL Zorro #8. We crossed posts. You beat me to it.
I was laughing out loud trying to type that!
If I were to crossover and vote in the democratic primary I would lose my mind once the curtain closes with which person to vote for. On the one hand my intense hatred of Hillary and my reflex to vote against her and my overwhelming desire to see democrats in fight until the convention. So I’m glad I don’t have to make the choice
Talk Radio is dead meme is more to do with liberal politicians wishes rather then facts.
I know what you mean. I tried it once in our governor’s race.
The Democratic incumbant was a pretty good guy. He really supports the National Guard and has been essential in the project of getting our new base built and came in for the ground breaking ceremony. We’ve had bad tornados the last two years and he steps up and works with the Feds to get aid and takes care of the people.
The Republican opponent-I’d never heard of him. I think I saw two of his commercials in the entire race.
As I closed the curtain and had to make my choice I remembered all the good things the Democrat had done. I aimed my voting finger for his name.
Now I’ve qualified with both the M-16 and 9mm. I didn’t quite make Marksman on the M-16 and was two shots off Expert on the 9mm. I have fairly good hand-to-eye coordination.
But no matter how many times I aimed my finger for the known good Democratic candidate, my finger kept hitting the unknown Republican. Finally, I gave up and hit the “ACCEPT” button and resigned myself to having voted for the Republican. I just couldn’t bring myself to do it.
Yeah, the people who voted for McCain are having buyers remorse and are trying to file a complaint.
Well, I made it to the polling place with 5 mins to spare. I was behind an accident on the freeway for an hour and didn’t think I would make it.
They kept saying on the radio all day about all the lines and heavy turnout. If you were in line at 7 they had to let you vote, blah, blah, blah. I went to the Republican site and I was the only one there! When I was leaving a worker said “4 people had just run up to vote, and bless their heart, they were Democrats.” Guess they didn’t get to vote.
I decided not to cross over because of our local races and we need a new rep, the one I have is a Democrat.
That’s my story, and I’m stickin to it.
Oh yeah! Vote for the destruction of the liberal party.
Something our Republican candidates don’t do nearly enough on their own.
I’ll bet a donut that he cusses conservatives out tomorrow. Get in line or else…
Write-in, anybody?
Did you just hear Nina Easton on the Fox Panel say the lack of support by conservatives has been showing up in the McCain fundraising.
You bet it has…..and will continue to. Can you say Juan Hernandez?
Maybe it’s 3 a.m. and no one is calling her.
I politely declined to donate earlier this evening. I think I’m going to add to the gun collection with money.
Great Coverage Michelle. Early day tomorrow. Ciao all.
Hillary breaks her Susan Lucci streak with Rhode Island.
McCain is NOT my friend and he makes me want to vomit.
I am listening to MCcain and I am embarassed that he is our nominee. He is reading from a teleprompter his entire speech, even whom he thanks and if he says “my friends” one more time I will puke. That is our nominee? I am sorry, but he is so not inspiring, so anti-inspiration. This speech was like watching the most sqaure not up to date and blast from the past speech and event.
Rush wanted Hillary to attack Obama because cowardly and false gentleman McCain will not do it! (McCain thinks they are all wonderful people)…..he hasn’t got the energy to attack anyone…When he walks onstage he looks like a doddering old geezer….yecch!!
Looks to me like Hillary is set to take all except for Vermont. I think she might go all the way. As Rush said: “Hillary will be the nominee no matter what happens in the primaries.”
Can I vote for McCain over Hillary….not yet I can’t, in November….Maybe.
Why did Romeny not win? He’s very intelligent, especially on the economy, something McAmnesty says he “doesn’t know much about. Romney looks presidential, and could rip Hillary or Obama a new one in a debate….and we get McPain, I’m gonna puke.
From McCain’s Official MySpace page
Does anyone really not know? Maybe this, or this will help jog some memories.
For awhile I believed that “W” was without a doubt the worst extemporaneous speaker I’ve heard.
There is another who is yet worse – he was reading from a teleprompter tonight and MM observed that he needs some more practice.
My God, how did we get to this point?
The open-borders ill-mannered liberal-loving, slippery Senator has actually won the nomination of the Republican Party to be the leader of the free world.
I’m sitting this one out. I won’t be a shill or a prostitute for a Republican Party that has sold out its country. I can’t wait to get a RNC phone call asking me for money.
I’d sooner vote for Snidely Whiplash than for John McCain.
He jabbed his middle finger into our eyes with his McCain-Kennedy back-door, mid-night amnesty bill, and now he can go find someone else to polish his donkey-excrement-stained boots.
Do you have an address where Oh!b♥m♥/Clint♂n can send a Thank You note?
Heh.
Good one, Texas.
I’m not voting for him.
Right-o. That’s why Oh!b♥m♥/Clint♂n want to thank you.
I cannot believe republicans crossed over to vote for Clinton in TX. We should have ended her run when we had a chance. I love Rush, but he is so wrong on this one.
According to the Weekly Standard blog, Putin is rooting for Hillary. Obama is too much of an unknown. McCain scares him. That right there sounds like a pretty good reason to vote for McCain…
Republicans should have gotten into this crossover thing a long time ago. Hey, we could have had Kucinich! Wouldn’t have made much difference on the Republican side, what with the Dems crossing over for McCain. Maybe this’ll start a new trend – Democrats voting for Republican candidates and vice versa. I just don’t think this is what the FFs had in mind.
The founding fathers weren’t real keen on parties in the first place. Remember that the runner-up in the presidential election got to be VP at first.
AI-EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
Way to go, ZORRO.
I feel a ROBERT DOLE CLONE CAMPAIGN comin’ on!!!
I called it this morning. I knew Hillary was going to win Ohio and Texas because of the great negative campaign against Barack Hussein Obama this past week–implying he was a Muslim (which he is but won’t admit it) and that he can’t be trusted on national security issues, plus his corruption.
I think Hussein Obama would be a much easier win for McCain in a general election. But Hussein Obama, an unassimilated foreigner, with the Marxist views of an unassimilated foreigner, is the scariest serious candidate we have ever had in America. I would take Hillary any day over Hussein Obama.
McCain, thankfully, will still probably beat her. If he refuses to run a negative campaign and runs a “respectful” campaign, he won’t though.
ME, TOO! ABSOLUTELY! THAT would be a DELIGHTFUL vote compared to voting for the LEADER OF THE DIM AGENDA, John McCAIN.
SEND IT CARE OF JOHN McCAIN AND THE GOP NATIONAL COMMITTEE.
It is sad – Clinton has Chinese roots, and Obama has Weathermen roots….
And John McCain is the leader of the DIM SOCIALIST AGENDA.
Does Hillary have a McCain Feingold Thompson bill under HER belt?
Does Obama have a McCain Kennedy Shamnesty bill under HIS???
Do either of them need to protect their life’s work with a careful selection of Supreme Court appointees? Like McCain does???
You are RIGHT! I know EXACTLY what the Founding Fathers would have done with John McCain! And he wouldn’t like it near as much as waterboarding!
I guawr-own-TEE!
Just for McCain Feingold Thompson or McCain Kennedy Shamnesty – EITHER ONE – ALONE! Much less all the rest of it – and all the things he said about Hanoi John the self-appointed American representative to the Paris Peace Talks with the North VietCONG!
His first appointment to the Supreme Court would prolly be Johnny Sutton!
Ombre Rose,
You think that McCain is more socialist than Hillary or Hussein Obama?!
You’re kidding right? Either that or I guess you are a Hillary or Hussein Obama supporter trying to suppress turnout in a general election.
A vote against McCain this election is a vote against the troops in Iraq. It is also not respecting the sacrifice of 4000 Americans there.
And since they only nominated men of quality and character in the first place, even if they had some stiff rivalries, it wasn’t the kind of problems we face with THESE jerks.
Ombre Rose,
Ever heard of Aaron Burr? Or Alexander Hamilton? Both of those were worse than John McCain, I think, especially Burr.
Hamilton was not worse – and he made sure America saw what Burr was made of, so they would not elect him, in spite of his charm, while ignoring his lack of character.
Grey Fox
Alexander Hamilton was one of the greatest of the founding fathers and Burr was a trator.
Durning the Revolutionary War he was a artillery captain and aide to George Washinghton. He was the first Secretary of the Treasury. He wrote most of the Federalist Papers.
Show me how voting against a man who rails against WATERBOARDING our TERRORIST ENEMIES is a vote against our troops! A man who demands GITMO be closed and the terrorists there be brought to America and given AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP RIGHTS and a “FAIR” TRIAL BEFORE AMERICAN CIVILIAN COURTS! BY ACLU STANDARDS!
I have an 8 yr history on Conservative sites, not Michelle’s, her’s isn’t that long.
I am a Christian and a Conservative, and I live just an hour and a half from the Mexico Border in Texas, in the path that Santa Anna took to the Alamo. We have a lot of Irish and other blood, and a good amount of Indian, but not Mexican – yet many of our family has married into Mexican families and we have great in-laws and fabulous grandchildren from those unions.
But from a child – I guess the product of being the oldest child and oldest daughter, who was assigned keeping the younger kids in line to help out Mom – I hate injustice and I hate criminal behavior. I HATE ANYONE CONDONING ILLEGAL AND DESTRUCTIVE BEHAVIOR, such as the ILLEGAL ALIEN INVASION against America, sponsored by the likes of McCain!
I’ve hated McCain’s brand of “politics” from the time I first became aware of him back in the late 80′s – for the self-serving smarmy backstabbing, undermining cheap con that he is, who has written more bills that have promoted more of the DIM Agenda than any Dim has done – gotten more of them passed than ALL DIMS PUT TOGETHER could have done without him and his original gang of 4, then his Gang of 14.
I didn’t vote for Gerald Ford, and I didn’t vote for backstabbing Robert Dole – and I won’t vote for McCain.
I didn’t vote for H. Ross Perot, the stinking lousy red herring for Clinton, either.
I will vote in November for a Conservative – in a write-in.
I tell you, last weekend, about 100 of my relatives gathered, and nobody spoke in defense of McCain – nobody rooted for him. Not for him – and not for Huckleberry, either.
I have as much admiration for him as I do the Mexican citizen gang leaders that break into American homes and steals the homeowners blind, and feels entitled to clean out their refrigerator and steal the children’s toys, and smash everything they cannot carry away.
God says a few things about those who move the boundary markers on their neighbor’s property.
Do a google search for Davy Crockett’s essay, “Not Yours To Give!”
I am not a &^%$%$##% Socialist like McCain, with his McCain Feingold Thompson, or his McCain Kennedy Shamnesty, or his deep friendships with Hanoi John, Hillary Clinton, Toady Chappaquiddick Kennedy – or the kind of “CHARACTER” the Republican pundits are praising tonight – as he stands beside the adultress he married after he broke up his first marriage over her.
Samuel Adams – A general dissolution of the principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy…. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but once they lose their virtue, they will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader…. If virtue and knowledge are diffused among the people, they will never be enslaved. This will be their great security.
Samuel Adams – The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil Constitution, are worth defending at all hazards; and it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors: they purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood, and transmitted them to us with care and diligence. It will bring an everlasting mark of infamy on the present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of false and designing men.
Samuel Adams – It is a very great mistake to imagine that the object of loyalty is the authority and interest of one individual man, however dignified by the applause or enriched by the success of popular actions.
He who is void of virtuous attachments in private life is, or very soon will be, void of all regard for his country. There is seldom an instance of a man guilty of betraying his country, who had not before lost the feeling of moral obligations in his private connections. – Samuel Adams
Patrick Henry – Bad men cannot make good citizens. It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, is incompatible with freedom. No free government, or the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any people but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality, and virtue; and by a frequent recurrence to fundamental principles.
No, I ‘m not a Liberal troll – I am more what is commonly referred to as a PRUDE – someone who believes in the values of our FOUNDING FATHERS. An ideologue.
Don’t tell ME I’m “voting for the Dim Party” – millions of us told you for TEN YEARS how we felt about McCain – that caused you Moderates to fly to him like a moth to flames. Trying to manipulate us into a corner where we would have to “take it” from him.
Well, KISS MY ENCHILADAS!
I have posts on here going back a year – begging moderates to choose someone who would WOO THE VOTERS TO THE POLLS for the GOP! Instead, you cram this smarmy, cheesy used car dealer down our throats.
NOTHING That I care about will be better off with HIM at the helm. I refuse to vote for him and then spend the rest of my life “SHOCKED! YES, SHOCKED, I TELL YOU!!!” at the garbage he will think of to get his revenge because we hate his smarmy Socialist guts.
McCain is a Socialist – he fights and accomplishes more for the Joseph Stalin Agenda for the Destruction of America that was published in the Congressional Record on January 10, 1963 than any Democrat or Communist Party member in America. You can “Call” him anything you want to – you cannot change the FACTS of his record!
I have a friend that for decades has slept with upwards of 50-60 men per year – and she really really hates it and gets very upset if anyone calls her a whore or says she is promiscuous – but words have definitions, and it doesn’t matter how you feel about them, if the description fits.
I would never recommend this lady to a woman who has a husband she loves, as a housekeeper.
I have other friends who are alcoholics – I would never give them the keys to my car, either.
I can be a voting Republican and be very blunt about what John McCain, RINO, is – in FACT!
Joseph Stalin and Nikita Krushchev would be THRILLED to see him seated as President of The United States of America.
And I do remember Nikita Kruschev, live in action!
Ombre Rose
I think you are a patriotic American and you should do what you believe in. If you can’t vote for McCain because of your values that shows courage. To often conservatives compromise our values instead of standing firm behind our convictions.
Thanks, Jacob. Listen, if I thought I could believe for one minute he would be an improvement over any Dim, I would not hesitate. I have held my nose before. And this venom I have belies my rankor for Dims who are pushing the Socialist Agenda full steam ahead at our children’s expense!
I just think that once this guy is in a position where HE feels all the brakes are off because there is nothing more the VOTERS can ever do to him again, we will know misery – like what the 6 televangelist ministries are going through today at the hands of the IRS over McCain Feingold – no fraud, no tax fraud, no crime – just “touching” politics – in a nation where our Founding Fathers such as George Washington put CHURCHES in Govt buildings, and put Bibles and the Ten Commandments in public schools.
And NO MSM COVERAGE of it, either!
I cannot go along with folks who call him a Christian and a Conservative when he has pushed through such stuff as McCain Feingold Thompson in a nation where our Founding Fathers had a Revolution over the Stamp Act, because it deprived them of their CIVIL RIGHTS as British Citizens (and not being British SUBJECTS).
I can just see Patrick Henry and James Otis ahold of him! And I would DEARLY love to!
I don’t think we can afford to let him ramp up the damage yet another few exponential notches.
One thing Pat Henry and McCain have in common, is they are both against the Constitution. One, because he wants a weak central government; the other because he wants a strong central government. “I smell a rat”. Much more interesting would be a McCain/Hamilton debate, OmbreRose. Two who want a strong central government…one supporting the American dream, the other wanting to control it.
Hillary’s non-victory on Tuesday night – math doesn’t lie on delegates
Hillary LOST Texas in the delegate count. Of the 126 delegates available from the primary she won 64 – 62. Obama is going to win the caucus there with a net of +7 or more. That gives Barack at least a +5 delegate win in Texas.
In Ohio the split of the possible 141 delegates is Hillary 73 – Obama 68. That is +5 for Hillary.
In Vermont out of 15 possible it’s Obama 9, Hillary 6, +3 for Obama.
In Rhode Island out of 21 it’s Clinton 12, Obama 8, +4 for Hillary (1 delegate outstanding)
So as of this moment Hillary Clinton has a NET GAIN of 1 delegate from all four primaries last night. Big momentum!
Will the media now report the facts accurately? Hmmm…
Barack will easily erase that HUGE 1 (or 2) delegate gain by Hillary last night in Wyoming this Saturday and next Tuesday in Mississippi.
Woke up, powered up the PC, logged on to the WSJ site, looked……Sh*t. I was really looking forward to seeing the final blow.
am I the only one who noticed McCain’s lower plate slipping during his speech?
Sure he is. If you say so, I’ll ignore what the Americans for Democratic Action (a loony left group) have to say. They rate Sen. Sanders’ (VT-Socialist) voting record at 95% and Sen. McCain’s at 10%.
Never let facts get in the way of a good unhinged rant, eh?
Obamamentum has been crushed and his window of opportunity slammed shut!
Clintons big state winner argument, ready to lead on day one, 135 years of experience (Same LIE as 35 years is) combined with Obamas thin-skinned inability to answer tough questions RUE the DAY.
Obama needs two extra pillows and a bottle of aspirin. Make that a Quaalude.
The best Obama can HOPE for is VP. Word is that that is how the Democrat Party is going to resolve the fracturing of the party at the Convention. The Democrats will prove that the district delegate count does not matter nor does the popular vote.
Democrats are racist and WILL NOT nominate a black person PERIOD. Not even a half of a black.
The Republicans have perhaps the weakest presidential nominee in 30 years. Stumpy McCain does not have the brains or the fortitude to select the obvious VP to strengthen the GOP ticket. We’ll have to get him a stretcher or wheel chair just to make until November, in the least a walker. This does not make him less of a HERO.
Lets braces ourselves for a Vietnam like defeat trumpeted by the MSM when we pull out of Iraq with our tails between our legs.
Al-Queda is DANCING in their caves today.
Higher Taxes, Advanced Global Warming Expense Hysterics, Nationalized Health Care for undocumented Americans, 50 million NEW ILLEGAL ALIENS, increased crime, increased disease, Accelerated Gang Graffiti Galore, Another 911 attack on our sovereign territory or three, TOTAL decimation of our future military ability infrastructure, annihilation of the Patriot Act and Mortgage Bailout Interest RATE Freezes that will HEMMORGAGE the Economy into an Aneurysm style COMA.
In my adult lifetime I have never been so proud to be an American!
And I’m being OPTIMISTIC today.
If anyone in the McCain camp reads the comments here, Pleaaaaaaaseeee!! Tell McCain to knock off the “my friends” phrase!! It may work with his senate colleagues but out here on the public stage it is making a lot of us sick!!!
Thank you!!
John Hammond,
Yes, Alexander Hamilton had a very distinguished career both during the Revolution and the founding of the Republic. He also was wildly ambitious, to the point that he nearly manipulated us into an aggressive war during the 1790s so that he could get an opportunity to become a conquering general and probably President – some thought he wished to make himself dictator. He did great things and had grievous faults at the same time – kinda like a certain republican candidate.
Points being 1) people haven’t changed THAT much, and 2)a man is not defined ONLY by his faults.
On March 5th, 2008 at 1:22 am, Ombre Rose said:
Oh, brother.
Irish Rose:
Forget needle exchange programs. How about a bong water exchange program?
#50 Ombre Rose
Who died and made you God, Amber?
Frankly, I think your arrogant, cruel, judgemental, morally elitist brand of “Christianity” is enough to send people here who might be sitting on the fence re: religion over to the atheist camp.
I’m thinking in particular here of the way that you fling about words like “adultress” and “whore”. Who the h*ll do you think you are to make such profoundly judgemental moral pronouncements against other human beings? You’ve not been given authority by God to do this… are your sins any more pure?
Judge not, Ombre, lest ye be judged.
Unfortunately I’ve known too many Christians like you over the years… people who think they can bludgeon others into believing by adopting the fiery, judgemental rhetoric of a “prophet”. They stand in frank moral judgement over the lives of others because they believe that they’ve been sanctioned by God to do so. It’s self-delusional to the point of psychosis.
You really need to get a handle on your hatred, Ombre… it oozes out of every pore, and it’s going to drive you to an early grave. If you’ve been ranting on like this for over eight years now, you might seriously want to get your blood pressure checked.
It’s pointless to mention the CAPS again, I think. You know you’re doing it and you continue to do so, because it gives you some kind of power rush.
You clearly have no respect for our hostess who has asked you to stop using them on more than one occasion.
On March 5th, 2008 at 8:50 am, TexasTiger said:
Man, you said it dude.
Looks to me like people listened to Rush Limbaugh regarding Texas. Let the bloodbath begin.
Wow, what a night. I thought it would be close in both Ohio and Tejas for both Clinton and Obummer. I got that partially correct.
An interesting trend in all this is the number of Republicans who crossed over to vote for Clinton. I’m thinking they voted more for her than Obummer. I think it hilarious that the pundits want to now deliver their decree that, by golly, Republicans are voting Democrat this year. It’s more about who McCain can defeat instead of McCain himself.
I want Clinton to stick around. I don’t like her but I relish the drama she provides the Dems in general. Even if she doesn’t make a lot of inroads into Obummer’s delegate lead, his head of steam got popped for sure. It was also interesting how he basically came out and said that she’ll never catch up to him on F&F this morning so she should just bow out. How sporting of him!
Let the fratricide begin…. I’ll bring the party favors and the confetti.
TT/IR:
Good morning! How are you this morning! I see that Ombre is in fine form./sigh I really thought that we could have a cocktail and talk this thing out. I guess no hug or kiss kiss from her, huh?
While I will repeat that I do not think that McCain is a conservative nor a particularly strong candidate I think many like Ombre underestimate his likeability (which is higher than Obummer’s). McCain, Hilly, and Obummer are all of the same cloth it’s just a matter of how you want to design said cloth.
I had hoped that some of the conservative animus would die down about McCain. It looks like it hasn’t. I understand the reason but the rhetoric is as bad as anything I see from Howard Dean or the far lefties. McCain really needs to explain himself about his immigration positions and Mexican advisor as well as some other things conservatives like myself find unpalatable. If he cannot do that, well… the only thing that will save him are crossover Dems and independents. Independents will sway the election either way… no matter how disaffected conservative voters vote.
TT, you said it. I think there are some more potent substances involved than that though.
Not only is she a poor loser, she comes across as a poor winner also, which is not an endearing trait
I was looking forward to Hillary and Bill being finished after last night but, much to my dismay, she’s back just like a bad horror flick (Hillaryween III?). Now the Clintons have an excellent chance of wreakng havoc on this country for another 4-8 years. This idea of propping up Obama to damage the Dems, while very entertaining, is a very dangerous and may backfire. Just like in the movie, when you have an opportunity to kill the monster do not hesitate.
The idea (Rush’s idea, that is) is to prop up Hillary to drain the Democrats of momentum and money.
Check me out I am blogging here.
http://imustimes.wordpress.com/2008/03/05/matt-taibbiwhen-doves-cry/
Correction: Propping up Hillary (not Obama)
Morning, emjem.
I can see why Ombre sees a socialist when she looks at John McCain the moderate, though… shes’ so far to the conservative right that she’s in danger of falling off the edge.
Those who position themselves a little more towards the center don’t necessarily like John McCain, but they’re capable of understanding that he won the nomination because he has across-the-board appeal to moderate conservatives, independents, and moderate Democrats (a very rare thing in a politician, in my estimation).
They also don’t howl about “sitting out the vote” because they understand that in politics, you can’t always get what you want… and sometimes its’ necessary to choose partisanship over principle.
The need for Republican partisanship has never been more critical than it is in this election cycle. And those who don’t understand this by now, are never going to get it.
John McCain has a strong conservative voting record. I don’t even bother posting the link to his voting record, though, because I know that the willfully ignorant folks who hate the man on principle will never click on that link.
It’s sad, but what can you do?
On March 5th, 2008 at 9:37 am, jsr said:
She doesn’t have the chance of a snowball in hell of winning the party nomination.
My opinion.
On March 5th, 2008 at 9:51 am, Laree said:
Morning Laree, just a friendly heads up: I think that Michelle has an issue with blog pimping.
I could be wrong though, please feel to correct me if I am.
Please don’t twist scripture. God DOES give Christians the right to judge other Christians, provided they do so justly.
Reread Matt 7, but don’t stop at the first verse, read verses 1-5 in context…
IR,
That is what I thought a week ago but now I’m not sure. The delegate count is very close and I doubt Obama can muster a majority before the convention. Plus the press will start scrutinizing Obama now and the Clintons will continue to hammer away. I’m sure we will see a deadlocked Democrat convention, which is good thing for us. However if Clinton comes out on top she is far more dangerous, as both a candidate and a president.
I’d rather face Obama in the general election. While he may give a good speech his debating skill are nothing to write home about (Anybody notice the constant hint of a stutter when given a difficult question?) The country will tire of Obamamania and his mindless followers will not show up at the polls in the same numbers as they show up for the Obama
partiesrallies.Dominigan:
Thanks for the biblical revisit but I’ll stick to common sense as well as a person’s character, not their overall religious training. We are all imperfect and we are all in our own ways hypocrites. I find it sad that there are many, many people who hide behind religion to make a point instead of just discussing a person’s record… like McCain’s.
We can disagree to disagree. If you do so based on your religious upbringing or training, that’s where you lose me. I was brought up Presbyterian and I have to tell you, I have never seen so many hypocrites and people twisting religion to suite their own purposes. Perhaps, this is why I’m always skeptical when people insert religious undertones into what is a poltical discussion.
Just one more thought: read Chaucer’s The Canterbury Tales and see his take on religious people (circa Middle Ages). I think it’s quite revealing and a book for the ages.
I still can’t believe she won Texas. Who knew
Tina Fey’sHermione Granger’s egging SNL into embarrassing the MSM, about its overt support for Obama, would have such an effect.On March 5th, 2008 at 10:15 am, jsr said:
I agree. I’m also hoping that Obama wins the nomination… McCain will tear him to shreds in the debates. That whole “Obama the savior of mankind” thing is not going to have a leg to stand on under the cold, harsh eye of public scrutiny.
On March 5th, 2008 at 10:23 am, emjem24 said:
You and me both.
For those of you who crossed over to vote for Hillary, don’t you see she’s much better practiced at pulling the levers of power at the highest levels and so would be more effective than Obama at implementing the liberal agenda? Let’s get real. You want 8 years of President Hillary Clinton?
I cannot believe that talk radio is so giddy (Mike Gallagher, Laura Ingraham to start with) because republicans helped Hillary WIN. She will be much harder to beat than BO and snce we WILL likely have a dem president, I would rather not have the Clintons in the white house. I can’t believe that anyone still believes the pollsters (that McCain beats her but not BO) after what the polls showed in CA, OH, TX, etc, and what ACTUALLY happened. This is lunacy. The Clintons have to be defeated NOW or they will keep comig back, like the shamnesty zombies. If this dem thing drags to their convention, the dem convention will soooo overshadown the repub. convention, especially with McCain on the ticket. My goodness, the guy will put you to sleep and is an embarassment after what I saw of last night’s performance (reading a teleprompter for one of the most boring and uncomplicated and uninspiring speeches ever, I was holding my breath everytime he looked at the teleprompter, sooo obviously, even when he was thanking people he should know by heart. This guy is a joke).
By the way Michelle because I think you’re probably reading:
Thank you for doing a registration cull and restoring some sense of balance to these discussions.
If I may: one person who was culled should not have been in my opinion, as he added a great deal of intellectual bite to the conversations and he was given the boot without warning. There is one person in particular here that probably should be culled… but this is your blog, and its’ your call.
I simply want to say thank you for bringing adult behavior back to your discussion threads.
Ombre, you have some serious issues…as I stated previously, whatever it is that is wrong with you is no small thing. I will admit, however, to reading your incoherent ramblings for entertainment purposes notwithstanding the magnitude of the ridiculousness at the core of virtually every single one of your comments.
On March 5th, 2008 at 10:41 am, Paul-Cincy said:
Well said! And to answer the question: Heck NO!
I remain quite tickled by the Juan McAmnesty supporters. Their reasoning is faux due to their having to work overtime to ignore how liberally they will be mistreated should he win, their pleas for support relies on scare tactics, and in fact they offer not a single good reason for voting for the man who would give America away to a bunch of law breakers who will never consider the U.S. as their homeland.
If you lay down with dogs … How
liberalunconservative of them.Here is where I now have a big problem with this year’s election.
McCain can’t be trusted to hold to Republican principles. He’s shown this over and over again.
On the other hand, we already KNOW the damage Hillary or Barak would cause.
Limbaugh’s very clear point is that, once elected, a Democrat would be fought tooth and nail over every policy decision and bill sent to the House. With McCain, knowing how he’s used backdoor, closed-room negotiations to foist undesirable bills (Amnesty? C’mon!) we wouldn’t necessarily know when we were about to get screwed. Make a note of it now though, we WILL get hosed by McCain at least twice during his first year in office.
At least with a Pres. Hillary or Pres. Barak, we could fight, and possibly defeat any and all proposals they’ll throw our way.
Except Supreme Court justices… On that point we might be truly screwed by all of the above, with nothing we can do about it.
So go on and register conservative voters if you want, just make sure you explain to them the lose-lose situation facing them.