Touchy, touchy! McCain doesn’t like questions about his 2004 Kerry/VP chit-chat
Maybe McCain is really, truly, finally learning his lesson now: When you lie down with liberal MSM dogs, they’re going to come back and bite you in the you-know-where. Glad to see his temper directed at somebody other than grass-roots conservatives:
Republican Sen. John McCain, showing a flash of the temper he is known for, repeatedly cut off a reporter Friday when asked whether he had spoken to Democratic Sen. John Kerry about being his vice president in 2004.
“Everybody knows that I had a private conversation. Everybody knows that, that I had a conversation,” McCain told the reporter. “And you know it, too. No. You know it, too. No. You do know. You do know.”
The reporter, Elisabeth Bumiller of The New York Times, was following up on a question McCain had answered at a campaign event Friday morning in Atlanta. Asked if he might consider Kerry as a running mate, since Kerry asked him in 2004, McCain said no.
Afterward, on a campaign flight, Bumiller said she looked in the Times’ archives and that McCain had denied talking with Kerry in a May 2004 story.
McCain interrupted, saying that everyone knew he had a private conversation, and he kept interrupting as she tried to follow up. McCain clearly was irate.
“I don’t know what you read or heard of, and I don’t know the circumstances,” McCain said. “Maybe in May of ‘04 I hadn’t had a conversation.”
Did he recall the conversation? “I don’t know, but it’s well-known that I had the conversation. It’s absolutely well-known by everyone. So do you have a question on another issue?”
Asked again about the conversation, McCain said, “No. No. Because the issue is closed, as far as I’m concerned. Everybody knows it. Everybody knows it in America.”
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Flashback from the left-wing MyDD website: John Kerry: McCain Approached Me About Joining Dem Ticket in 2004
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Uh, oh… he may be close to dropping the F-bomb again….
I didn’t get that he was all that testy and certainly not angry. Annoyed, yeah; but not without reason.
The reporter, on the other hand, got testy with her last question, “Why are you so angry?” Kind of a “Are you still beating your wife?” question that you can’t address because it presupposes that you are already doing the bad thing mentioned.
So the Times‘ archives are so small they can be brought on an aircraft?
Oh yay, another bash McCain thread.
The reporter was behaving like a first class biotch, Michelle.
McCain was very annoyed, and with very good reason… but he wasn’t angry.
My last post on this one, because there are more important topics to tend to today. Have fun.
“why are you so angry ? ”
sounds like the gender card to me.
i agree. who cares if they had to conversation, the ultimate result was that McCain wasn’t the VP candidate.
what gives the NYTs the right to ask for specifics about a private conversation where nothing illegal is alleged and whose ultimate result is known? the NYT thinks too much of its self.
maybe he is getting testy because of all the ‘returned’ emails saying no they will not donate or assist him win the campaign. cause i know i sent back replies on three last night. and one to John@johnmccain.. asking him who is juan hernandez and what is he doing assisting your campagin? also a few choice opinions of mine on why the media didn’t bring it up during the primary.
i also told him on my last line: i am looking forward to see what liberal you pick as your VP..
i wonder if he will get testy when he reads that one? probably have a staffer delete it before anyone can read my reply. i know. but it made me feel good to get it off my chest.
I think McCain better get use to getting these questions. BHO and hc are digging up anything they can find on him, from what kind of diaper he wore as a child, to what he had for supper last night. I would loose my cool too if I had to deal with the lib press.
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When I apply for jobs, they want to know about my past. The good and the bad, both. And those jobs are far less important than the one for which he’s applying.
So, Juan McAmnesty, we ARE going to question you to make sure you’re qualified. As a Reagan Conservative Republican, I feel you aren’t. But, it isn’t only my choice, and we only have two viable options.
Like Jay Leno once said, “We have 50 choices for Miss America, but only two for President.”
So McCain is mad. I do not care about that. I do care that there is a very real possibility that he will choose a Democrat for his VP or a very liberal Repub. My money is still on Rudy.
McCain hasn’t learned anything from his fellow liberals. He is supposed to claim that they are attacking him. You know….politics of personal destruction and blah blah blah. He’s not only a RINO but a DINO as well. Poor guy..nobody hearts John.
Can anybody blame McCain for being angry with a reporter for the New York Times? This is the same New York Times that slimed McCain only two weeks ago. This is the same New York Times that, without any evidence, relied on two sources whose names they won’t tell us, to accuse McCain of having an extramarital affair. The Times assigned four reporters to dig up as much dirt on McCain as they could find. Anybody who was the target of a permanent investigation to find dirt on him or he would eventually get angry. And incredibly the Times assigned Elizabeth Bumiller, a colleague and friend of the four reporters who tried to destroy McCain, to write about the McCain response to the charges. And Bumiller’s article about McCain’s response basically called McCain a liar. I would worry about McCain if he started being polite to the New York Times. If he is rude to the Times, that is fine by me.
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Huh? What? Did I miss something? OK. Thanks!
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I agree with Irish Rose. This is really a story about reporters, not McCain.
Hey, guess what? I have an ongoing blog that I may even copy onto my Town Hall blog requesting that I be VP. I would be VP on any ticket at any time for any person.
VP is the greatest job on the planet. You have zero responsibility, but people still think you are important (Al Gore). You get an office, a pay check, a staff, and you don’t even have to get elected. You get to fly on military jets all around the world, and you don’t have the issues associated with people wanting to kill you because they are jealous of Western ideology which you embody like the president.
Yes indeed, please elect me for VP. . . ANYBODY. I guarantee you I have the solutions that this country needs. I just don’t want to have to be elected.
I could fix health care and energy as well as the auto industry in 4 years. But I could never get elected, nor would I ever want to be put through such a ridiculous process.
Please elect me for VP.
So basically 4 years ago McCain was approached by a first class idiot to be his running mate. McCain declined. The Times needs to rehash this…why?
As Irish Rose says:
How did this reporter miss all the job cuts at the TImes?
But is some parts of the country, you can get arrested!
Sounds like your guy is unhinged.
Get a grip. Bumiller is famous for writing pro Bush puff pieces. Liberal blogosphere doesn’t like her much.
Lying with dogs: that’s Communist propaganda language. Do you like parroting Communist propaganda?
I G N O R E
H I M
Dont’ take the bait.
Remember one thing, lgm, all good propaganda has in it a grain of truth.
The Commies are good at propaganda, and their leadership is often smart enough to know just how much truth to put in it.
Just because Lenin or Stalin said something doesn’t make it less of a truth.
As for the reporter, I I don’t know enough about her to comment, so I’ll leave that alone. But I have to echo some other comments here: he just didn’t really seam that mad in the transcript. Maybe if I saw it, I could better tell….
Before anyone jumps: I AM NOT A COMMIE! I am just stating a fact that some of what appears in propaganda is actually true.
And when you lie down with dogs, you do get up with fleas!
Name three major votes where gramps voted differently than Hillary? I rest my case.
That is what your liberal candidates are pushing. All tried and failed. I would rathger have some talk than a socialist country - wouldn’t you lgm?
Okay, I bit. I am going to blame Howie ’cause he started it!
The original quote is attributed to Jean Harlow who died in 1937 which makes it a complete non sequitur. …but that was the point, wasn’t it, lgm?
Back OT: The reporter was from the NYT, so we certainly would not expect a professional demeanor, but regardless of how she might act, one would hope that McCain could keep his cool. Reagan dealt much more elegantly with belligerent reporters.
Senator McCain has a temper. Reporters are no doubt going to keep pushing those buttons to get a story. Finding new ways to apologize for his inability to handle these situations is not going to diminish this weakness.
In this, I believe he’s very similar to Senator Clinton.
(In a low, hushed tone…)
I plead guilty, your honor….
Well, it’s not like MCGrandpa snapped at her for always asking him the first question.
He’s a pompous arse.
BWWAAAAAHHHHAAAAA (wipes tear from eye). Thanks, lgm. The thought of you telling ANYONE to get a grip was just the stress relief I needed this afternoon. Now I can start my weekend with a good laugh.
Wasn’t this a NYT reporter? Was it not the NYT who accused him with NO substance of having an affair? I’d lose my temper with those cretins too.
I’m not strong on this guy, but what the heck is our alternative? Obama? Shrillary?
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There is something worth pointing out to lgm: For the people on this site, at least, McCain isn’t “our guy.”
Not trying to pick a fight, lgm, but you’ve made that statement several times in the past, and I don’t see any of the commenters here laying much claim to him. Only in the sense that he is the Repub nominee is he anyone’s “guy” on the right. He’s certainly not ours here.
Thanks, William Amos.
After watching the video, he wasn’t that mad. Maybe a little confrontational about it, but not to the point I would call him angry, as the reporter implied.
I will say that she didn’t sound much like a shill for the left, either. This sounds like much ado about nothing, to me.
I love it! I am a frequent visitor at ITM
but this is the first time I’ve noticed that Michelle, too, has her token liberal, lgm!
Too funny!
The video was deleted by the time I got here, but my question is, why post a heading making our candidate look bad?
I am really sick of it. Like I’ve said and others, he IS who we have, why write about his faults, and what I gather from the posts, he wasn’t ANGRY but annoyed and deservingly so.
Why is it at times I can’t tell if I’m on a conservative or liberal board and that is MY exit question, which has nothing to do with Michelle being hot, which is just another adolescent remark appearing too often lately.
Me too. The good news is he didn’t tell her to F-off. The bad new is it’ only a matter of time before someone pushes the right button, like Shamnesty, and his phony buddies in the media will have the spectacle they’ve been longing for to really torpedo him.
He didn’t seem over-the-top to me…thank goodness someone takes on those know-it-alls. These days I have more respect for McCain and less respect for the Rush’s of the world thinking their mischief is so smart and clever. I’ve stopped listening to the Debbie Downers.
Simple. Because McCain is not a conservative, and we are not deaf and blind. If we are force fed this crap then we can force feed some crap back. Look at our nominee, what the hell is he? A conservative or a liberal?
If he is planning on getting some conservatives votes he better start flip-flopping now.
Cloth back then, disposables not invented yet.
Depends now.
On March 7th, 2008 at 5:44 pm, SHoward said:
Not trying to pick a fight, but don’t you think its’ rather presumptuous to speak for everyone here?
Just sayin.
McFossil is angry because he was ready to switch parties and/or join the Kerry ticket.
I don’t understand how a conservative can vote for this POS.
The reporterette is a hustler for the NYT. She and the times need to be put in their place. We need a Harry Truman type to kich butt sometimes. The NYT has one of the biggest butts around so have at it.
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ok Valiant, John McCain is NOT a POS!!!
I sincerely doubt you, or very many other “conservatives” could walk in John McCain’s shoes!
So let’s show some respect!!
John McCain can’t walk in his own shoes! Have you seen him ambulate 5 feet? He had better pick a young veep who is not a flaming liberal like he is.
This is the man we have left standing to be the Republican nominee for the leader of the free world.
Something, at the risk of repeating myself, is very wrong here.
And I’m still staying home this November.
Michelle, thanks for your brilliant work and all you’ve done for your country.
I believe Jim Geraghty has the right view on this kerfuffle - Call me when McCain drops the F-bomb or recommends anatomically difficult forms of mating.
I’m a little slow on the uptake but let me pick at this some:
Tony Snow Fox News Host (July 7,2004) interviewing McSame:
Now is the above the same thing McSame said to Bumiller (NYT March 7, 2008):
Might McSame not return the John Kerry favor. They are both self proclaimed Viet heros. In 2004 McSame could pander liberal/moderate Republican votes and in 2008 Kerry could pander conserative/moderate Democratic votes. Works for me. Capitulate early before the line gets too long. So is McSame angry at Bumiller because she spilled his big V.P. surprise.
Am I reading DailyKos? You all sound like a bunch of whiny liberals. McCain told the snippy little New York Times reporter to piss up a rope. Good on him! I hope he makes it a regular feature of his campaign. If that same exchange happened between the reporter and one of your “true conservatives” (as if there were any of those running in the primaries) you’d all be high-fivin’ him at your computers and saying “Now there’s a conservative with some balls.” I’d be pissed at him if he didn’t tell the New York times to shove it up its ass every chance he got. For that alone he’s got my vote.
why has the video been deleted? by whose request and by whose authority?
Why do I feel like this election is going to end up to be just like a multiple choice question on a test that has not been proofread (After spending entirely too much money to get it done in the first place) and there really is no correct answer?
Wahoo! Did you see that clip? He smacked that snarky lil NY Times reporter around like a toy punching bag. She finally had to stop asking questions and said “never mind”. ROFL
This is the first thing I have seen McCain do this year that has made me want to stand up and cheer. Maybe there is hope yet.
I just watched the video online at ABC, saw the above comment about it being taken down, was going to link it and its gone!
Hopefully someone has another link to it. This was gold. And to watch all the medianoids whining about it made it even better.
That meeting provides one of the strongest motivations for sitting out the election, unless McCain really changes dramatically.
By meeting with Kerry & considering running with him, McCain shows us that his hawkish foreign policy positions are based on opportunism; he will apparently take whatever positions will advance him. Obviously, if he ran with Kerry, he would have had to make an about-face on Iraq, judges, and every other important issue. This gives an indication that if he is elected, his motivations will not be to fulfill his promises, but rather to do whatever he considers the most expedient.
You can still view it, click on the contributors’ link above.
Irish Rose,
You’re right in #40. I should have been more clear in trying to point out to lgm that many commenters on this site do not claim McCain as our guy, while lgm implies that we do.
Sorry about the mess-up..
Bloody RIGHT McCain had “GOOD REASON” to be angry - he just HATES it when anyone questions his LACK OF INTERGRITY or FIDELITY.
By rights HE OWES Kerry FIRST CRACK at the VEEP SEAT.
IF HE WERE HONEST, Kerry would be the most transparently HONEST reflection of McCain’s character.
I LOVE IT! I REALLY LOVE IT! THANKS FROM ME! I really needed that!!!
Next thing you know, McCain will have the NYT arrested for TORTURE - under the McCain Feingold Thompson Act!!!
This “story” is ridiculous. He was annoyed at an NYT reporter (a plus in my book), and that’s a basis for another McCain bashing thread. Yawn.
I really appreciate Michelle’s reporting on things like the disgusting attacks on the military recruiters, and on most other issues as well. I have great respect for her guts and talent, but I find this reflexive McCain bashing boring and unproductive. Just my own opinion, and I’m not saying this website should change. It fills a big niche.
There are lots of other websites out there, something for everyone, and now the ones I find more interesting are the forward-looking ones that focus on winning the election. There’s a lot of work to do in an election year, and I don’t have time for this stuff. Again, just my own opinion and personal preference. Agree to disagree, and all that.
Forget KERRY!
With McCain’s PERSONAL LEGISLATIVE PORTFOLIO, any JUDGE that McCain would appoint, (obviously) while calling the person a CONSERVATIVE AND STRICT CONSTRUCTIONIST, would be like calling Dolphins “LAND ANIMALS.
I also got 3 emails yesterday from McCain, his campaign and the RNC. I told them all to stop contacting me, since I do not support Mr. conservative liberal republi[can], in his own words. I no longer will give money to the RNC and they sure keep asking, even when I tell them I am no longer supporting the GOP, because of their actions since 2004 and their nominee. But they never take my name off their list, they keep asking. I think asking McCain about his talking to John Kerry re: being his VP is VERY legit and he refused to actually answer the questions asked. He should answer because republicans deserve to know where this man was then and where is now. This was less than 4 years ago. He keeps bringing up his war record from years ago, but he refuses to answer about recent history. He has not provided all info on that story. I, as a voter, want to know. If he was not our nominee, would he have considered being Hillary’s VP if she asked him? I wonder.
If I were McCain, there wouldn’t be a NYT reporter on my plane or bus. Period.
Why is the adio clip not working? I have seen it but the one above says content deleted.
Just FABULOUSO that you guys have your own voters, and with Juan Hernandez and Jerry Perenchio, most of them prolly have like 37 FRAUDULENT VOTING CARDS APIECE in their POC-KETTAS, TOO!
SI SE PUEDE!
He keeps bringing it up - but he keeps his war records sealed, TOO!
Really, he has so much in common with Hanoi John and Vacuum Cleaner Nose Clinton, it ain’t even funny.
ME NEITHER! But the fact is that THE NYT is supposedly McCain’s amigos del grande!
If he ran his CAMPAIGN like he does his SENATE SEAT, they still would be!
Ombre, that is soo funny. Vacuum Cleaner Nose Clinton, LOL. As I have said before, there are veterans and war heros I cannot respect: Murtha, Chuck Hagel, John Kerry, the CA rep who is sitting in jail now for taking bribes, McCain. The fact that McCain was in Vietnam, got caught, and was tortured does not influence my vote one bit, sorry, but what has he done since. But, I would like to see his war records, just as we all yelled and screamed that Kerry should release his. It has to do with his integrity and honesty. Also, I heard that McCain ADMITTED to giving up secrets to the Vietnamese in order to get medical treatment. That sounds bad, if it is true. If it is true, I will respect him even less. He could have gotten Americans caught or killed.
We wpould be cheering, too….if it had been a regular way he ran his SENATE OFFICE.
But it is NOT!
Just today, they were discussing three RECENT, the last couple DAYS, times that Hillary has sang his HIGH praises!
And McCain EARNED HER PRAISES, too!
But he has NEVER earned the praise of CONSERVATIVES.
So HE can go do it up a rope, too, as far as many of us are concerned.
You DO remember why his own brother nicknamed him that, don’t you???
I heard McCAIN admit it, myself - but I cannot find the transcript.
Pretty sure it was Fox News - it was about a year and a half ago, to help him clear the air on several questions before he threw his hat in the ring.
And for what he gave up, he was NOT TORTURED. He was captured after crashing his plane behind enemy lines - and the locals who caught him beat him up pretty badly, but not by way of “torturing him”, they just caught an “enemy combatant”.
He broke some bones in the crash, not attributed to what the captors did to him, and when he was turned over to the VietCong, and they put in in a POW camp, they did as usual, withheld medical treatment to “uncooperative POWS”.
He withstood “great agony” for 3 days and then turned over everything he knew about his ship and his shipmates who were still in service in the area.
He just couldn’t handle the pain, and was also fearful that his broken bones wouldn’t heal right without medical attention.
I remember that when that aired, everyone online kept saying, well, I don’t think I could have kept myself from talking, under the circumstances, either. And all agreed they didn’t want to “judge” him on the basis of that one incident.
Which works now that WW2 Veterans are mostly died off.
Now, he claims that later at the Hanoi Hilton, he was tortured by being hung by one arm or the other for the better part of about 2 years.
But a biography by one of the other POWS of Hanoi Hilton, I think it was Jeremiah Denton, which I cannot find exerpts of, online (Jeremiah was a Conservative, and a Congressman, and could barely force himself to even speak to McCain on the floor of the Senate.) - I figure Jeremiah has been GOOGLED - anyway, I cannot find that reference either, and the book I read was borrowed and returned to the rightful owner a long time ago — there didn’t seem to be any corroborative witnesses to McCain’s version - seems he was only tortured when alone in his own private cell, although I believe a few other POWS expressed their reverential belief in him.
However, you will find lots of endorsements for McCain’s veracity on the subject online - by Hanoi John.
Oh, and Mr Keating’s daughter.
This is MY motivation to go vote and vote for a write-in candidate of exemplary credentials, high character values, and real Conservative political philosophies - like Michelle Malkin, Oliver North, Dave Roever, Ann Coulter, Franklin Graham, John Beviere….
Ombre, thanks for the McCain update. Just like we needed to knwo about Kerry, re: his honesty, we need to knwo about McCain. In my case, the more I learn about the guy, the less I am likely to vote for him.
As to Clinton, I can only immagine why Clinton’s brothers called him that.
good night all
Long time to go before the convention. There is still a 50/50 chance McCain will have a Howard Dean moment.
The bottom line is that “McCain” and “flash of temper” were just sent to the newspaper-headline-reading world. None of them will watch the exchange, much less read the story. The MSM death-by-a-thousand-cuts campaign continues.
The propped him up just to tear him down.
On March 7th, 2008 at 9:35 pm, juliesa said:
Well stated, and I agree. It’s long past time time to start engaging in some forward thinking about the November elections, and set aside the personal animus. Republicans must win this election… the alternative is simply unthinkable.
Michelle is one of the best conservative bloggers on the net, but the ongoing pettiness about McCain is ruining her credibility.
Yes, we know that there are some folks here who won’t vote for the man because he’s not “pure” enough. Thankfully they’re in the minority and becoming more so every day.
Most Republicans are now accepting what is, and moving ahead with the work that must be done.
I’ve seen video of the incident on FNC several times since yesterday afternoon, and I still do not see where it is he supposedly “blew-up” at the NYT reporter.
Am I overlooking it? I mean, all I saw was McCain answering a redundant-inane question as suffer-no-fools, to-the-point McCain.
I watched the exchange and didn’t see anything wrong with McCain’s response. Under the same circumstances I probably would have reacted the same way. There’s a big difference between outright, “get in your face” anger and stern answers to a fish wrap paper’s reporter trying to stir up trouble. I applaud his effort to allow all reporters access to his campaign, even the leftie loons.
I don’t care for McCain as a candidate, but respect his stance in calling out stupidity and bias from “fish wrap” reporters.
Irish Rose; What in hell have you been drinking? Irish coffee! No real conservative is going to help put that open borders,conservative hating $on Of @ b!tch in office, if their lives depended on it. They know it will be easier to fight socialism when a Dhim introduces a proposal then it would if McCrazy does it. You RINOs will just be lead around by the nose by him; as you’ve aptly proven in your last post. I’ve never wished ill on anyone, and never shoot any body that wasn’t shooting at me, but I’ve got to say that the only thing we can hope for now, is that three campaign planes will have a horrific crash while landing at the next La Rasa convention. #44: No I don’t have any respect for the lunatic, as far as I’m concerned he sat on his @$$ in Hanoi, while most of us were actually fighting the NVA. We sent all our heros home in body bags, he sure as hell don’t qualify.
If this is an example of raging temper tantrum I’ve had some construction foreman and demanding bosses get angrier and more red faced than that. This reporter hasn’t had anybody fire back at question that was asked? This must be her first rodeo.
#70 ombre rose
Almost everything in your comment was incorrect. As the tired old saying goes, you are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.
If you don’t like McCain, that’s ok, but it’s not ok to spread falsehoods about him. You should do some reading before showing off your ignorance. I wasn’t going to say anything, but I see that some of the other commenters are gullible enough to buy what you’re peddling. You can start by reading McCain’s memoir, then read Bud Day’s book (copies of which are hard to find). You do know who Bud Day is, don’t you?
If you’re an example of a “true conservative”, then I don’t want any part of it. Some of these comments are exactly what I see all the time on HuffPo, full of half-truths and uninformed hatred.
#77, irish rose, thanks. I’ve read this website for years, and I have Michelle’s wonderful book “Unhinged”, and frankly I’m disturbed by the fact that some of these threads are coming unhinged. It’s to the point that people are spreading half-truths, whether knowingly or not. It does hurt the site, IMHO.
You conservatives are as bad as the liberals………WWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
Get off your idiotic high horse and support the “best” candidate otherwise shut up already.
Bunch of babies, to question McCains war history because you dislike his politics is as bad as the Beserkley Code Pinkos.
According to post #84 by dartagnans_blade, I am not supposed to criticize or question McCain unless I support him. I guess if he is not my first choice I must “shut up already.”
So, if no one is supposed to question his past, what are we allowed to question?
- just one of the ‘babies’
I’ve come back up the post to tell about Clinton, first - as I just said a lot more about McCain than I intended to and it is a long post many won’t want to finish reading.
Clinton was nicknamed Vacuum Cleaner Nose by HIS OWN BROTHER who was “appointed” chief Presidential cocaine procurer, by Bill. They attended a lot of meetings together where strategizing for various Clinton projects was done, among other things.
Some unusual people were at some of those party-style meetings, including Oliver North in his Reagan Iran Contra days.
These folks all reported back “IN THE DAY” that ROGER’S pet name for Clinton was Vacuum Cleaner Nose, because of his ability to take the PARTY BOWL of COCAINE (like a salad or punch bowl full of the stuff if I remember right???), meant to entertain the entire party for the entire night, and whiff it up in minutes, by himself alone.
Thus, “Vacuum Cleaner” - thus Vacuum Cleaner Nose” - of his own brother - for whom he did spend time in jail for drug dealing. And kindly did NOT implicate Bill when he was on trial.
Re McCain’s War Record…
Always recommend folks do their own research, even I - perfect as I am, have made some major bloopers - but many sites don’t welcome links, and I forget which do and don’t, so I don’t post as many as I used to.
I found articles by Kerry praising McCain, and by the daughter of the Keating from Keating Five trying to exonerate him and excoriate his attackers, and sites by Ted Sampley, Swift Boat Vets.
I didn’t find sites by fellow POWS seeking to exonerate McCain.
Or by former superior officers who remembered details of his record that passed through their hands, seeking to say, they couldn’t reveal facts they knew for a fact from his sealed documents but THEY KNOW that McCain is all he says he is, etc. et al….
But I think you will be shocked and stunned more by who is NOT defending McCain’s war record than by who IS.
Also why does he resembles Kerry in proudly proclaiming his “war hero status” while simultaneously SEALING HIS OWN WAR RECORDS.
Even the extremely bashful Alvin C. York of WW1 did not do that.
But these two vain men with SEALED RECORDS proclaiming their heroism to the world… so barfing.
But I am not going to vote for him - I’ve had some painful lessons in my life about “vouchsafing” other people - and I am NOT ABOUT to hand AUTHORITY to a man when I feel SURE he will abuse it to do things I cannot tolerate. Socialistic things that hurt other people.
I do have to stand before God and answer to why I “feared man” more than I trusted to GOD HIMSELF for the safety of this nation.
About three weeks ago as I wrassled with my own proud spirit - yes, I frequently do that! - a friend sent a chain e-mail about The Center of the Bible.
Turns out it “JUST SO HAPPENS” to be Psalms 118.
To cut a beautiful presentation off at the knees, they go on to say that Psalms 117 is the shortest chapter in the Bible, and that Psalms 119 is the longest chapter in the Bible, and that Psalms 118 is the center chapter.
That there are 594 chapters BEFORE Psalms 118, and also there are 594 chapters AFTER Psalms 118 - and that 594+594=1188 - and that the Center VERSE in the Bible is Psalms 118:8.
[I do not know if Psalms 118:8 is the Center VERSE by virtue of being the CENTER VERSE of PSALM 118 - or if it is also by chance the literal Center VERSE of the entire Bible, too.]
But it is the Center verse of the center CHAPTER - and “strangely” it says, Lean on and trust in God more than on men. (Rose’s paraphrase - loosely)
This e-mail came to me a few weeks after I discovered the only settled and peaceful GUT FEELING in my inward parts was to NOT VOTE FOR A MAN I HAD NO RESPECT FOR, just because “THE WORLD” said I had no “CHOICE” - there is always a choice.
And I have in the past trusted a lot of people who were not ideologically perfectly mirrored to my own beliefs. Justifiably so!
And even if it is whether or not to renounce God and then if you refuse to, you then have to walk into the Colliseum where the lions wait to shred you - you can always make a choice which fills your guts with PEACE that the world cannot understand.
Voting for John McCain is NOT one of those choices, for me.
However, NOT VOTING for John McCain - regardless of the consequences, even if it means a DIM PRESIDENT, is one of those choices that I amazingly have perfect peace in my inwards guts, about.
And I want those reading this to know, I have a great deal about Obama and about Hillary that I object to, CHARACTER-WISE, on the basis of our CONSTITUTION. AND on their SOCIALISM.
However, I genuinely feel McCain is fully CAPABLE and DESIRING TO take us further into Socialism than these two and the entire DIM PARTY could EVER take us.
And I say that with an incredible amount of information about Clintonism that I fully believe, as the story about Bill being called Vacuum Cleaner Nose should reflect.
I do indeed feel they both should have been tried literally for TREASON and convicted and given the full penalty RATHER THAN BEING SET UP FOR MORE HIGHER OFFICES.
Of that I do assure you.
I just so do hold McCain in even FAR LOWER ESTEEM than all of that. SINCERELY.
This is NOT Elementary School, and you are not a child/student who is NOT allowed to question the credentials or expertise of a professor on a subject of which you are totally ignorant.
This is the greatest responsibility of a free nation, the citizens’ handling the dispensation of AUTHORITY to their leaders, RATHER THAN THE OTHER WAY AROUND, via the VOTE.
You are as accountable for where you assign this authority IN YOUR BEHALF AND BY YOUR OWN HAND as if it were the CO-SIGN on a MORTGAGE, or your name on a MARRIAGE LICENSE, or the keys to your car which has a huge mortgage lien on it, and whose insurance is nullified by the driving of it by the one you are handing the keys to - or any one of dozens of other scenarios - such as the safety of your home and all therein, including your family - ALL PUT TOGETHER - because the SAFETY AND SECURITY of your NATION, that nest by which you and your family and posterity CAN THRIVE - is in your hands and YOU are the one who decides INTO WHOSE FIDUCIARY CARE YOU SHALL ENTRUST THAT SERIOUS RESPONSIBILITY TO, and the CONSEQUENCES that ALL IN THE NATION, and ALL WHOM THE NATION TOUCHES shall suffer in direct consequence TO YOUR VOTE.
It is impossible to tell you the gravity of the responsibility you have.
For you to suggest that McCain or any other candidate for the highest office in the world HAS A RIGHT TO KEEP A BLOODY THING from the VOTERS is an insanity that is bereft of both REASON and the very ESSENSE of everything REQUIRED of a people to prove themselves DESERVING of the freedom to select their own leadership.
HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT A CANDIDATE HAS THE RIGHT TO BRAG ABOUT SOME PORTION OF HIS PERTINENT BACKGROUND AND YET SEAL THOSE RECORDS FROM THE VOTERS AND STILL SUGGEST THAT IT IS OUTRAGEOUS OF US TO INQUIRE AS TO WHAT THAT MEANS AS TO HIS CHARACTER AND TRUSTWORTHINESS.
Would you hire a building contracter to install the new Electric wiring and a new roof on your home WHEN HE REFUSES TO GIVE YOU ACCESS TO HIS WORK HISTORY AND PREVIOUS CLIENTS??? OR SHOW YOU HIS CREDENTIALS AND LICENSES AND PERMITS…
I wonder what your wife would do to YOU if you did THAT!
Well, This is a candidate for the highest office in the entire world - AND HE IS A PUBLIC SERVANT!
NOT A KING OR AN EMPEROR.
NOR is he merely some CHEAP ENTERTAINER whose movie you go see, then go home and forget all about it!
You are proposing that WE ALL PUT THE LIFE OF OUR FAMILIES AND OUR NATION IN THE HANDS OF THIS MAN. AND THE STYLE OF GOVERNMENT WE LIVE UNDER, AS WELL.
If you haven’t got any more sense than to treat yourself and all voters differently than a child rebelliously and impertinently challenging his TEACHER in an elementary classroom….
OR A CANDIDATE differently than this REVERENTIAL ANOINTING as if you see the STAR OF BETHLEHEM over his head! AS A HOST OF ESTABLISHED PROPHETS WALK ON WATER TO COME AND PLACE CROWNS ON HIS HEAD THAT APPEAR IN THEIR HANDS from a mysterious Hand that just got through WRITING ON THE WALL, “this is my beloved Covenant brother in whom I am well-pleased to commend all your lives, this day”……… And when his enemies come forward to denounce him THEY DROP DEADER THAN A DOORNAIL ON THE VERY SPOT! WITH A THUMBPRINT OF GOD ON THEIR FOREHEADS!
YOU will answer for what this man you vote for DOES WITH THAT AUTHORITY THAT YOU PERSONALLY GAVE TO HIM.
We have a right to know his character and any events in his life that reveal that to us ARE OURS to examine as we will, when he applies for a job as a PUBLIC SERVANT.
Before I ever saw your post, I had stated that I urge all to do their own research as I can, or anyone else can “at best, make mistakes”.
But I have researched Mcain over and over for more than a DECADE.
And no, I have not read his book, but I have listened to HIM in a lot of his in-depth in terviews.
I have no obligation to accept his version of hte facts.
For instance, I have read what A lot of different people said about the incident HE BROUGHT BACK UP in South Carolina THIS YEAR when he announced his TURTH SQUAD because of what George W. Bush “did to him” in South Carolina in 2000, when McCain says Bush slandered him at that time so Bush could win the S.C. Primary.
Well, a lot of REPUBLICANS AND CONSERVATIVES have a VERY VERY VERY dIFFERENT VERSION of those events, and they include facts about an INVESTIGATION which Bush INSTANTLY COOPERATED WITH and gave enough evidence to CLEAR HIS OWN NAME. He then invited McCain to give evidence from his own campaign to either PROVE UP THE CHARGES AGAINST BUSH or to exonerate McCAIN from “COUNTER” slandering Bush - WHICH McCAIN INSTANTLY REFUSED TO DO.
The investigation cleared Bush, and revealed McCain’s slander.
Ann Coulter reported recently in an update - since McCain brought it up.
I have watched the interviews of Ted Sampley and others when they were discussing Hanoi John and the defense of him given by McCain.
I am not entitled to my own facts - BUT NEITHER ARE YOU.
I am entitled to draw my own conclusions.
Furthermore, it is my experience of 56 years that there are ALWAYS CONSISTENCIES in any person’s life.
And the CHARACTER you ascribe to McCain, I HAVE YET TO DISCOVER IN A SOCIALIST SUCH AS HIMSELF who is simultaneously capable of colluding with Toady Chappaquiddick Kennedy for SHAMNESTY, with Feingold and Thompson for McCAIN FEINGOLD THOMPSON, to stand and DEMAND a CRASH COURSE to TEACH AMERICANS TO STOP TORTURING TERRORISTS, and a hundred other things I have watched that mealy little smarmy person do the last 10-15 years IN COLLUSION WITH DIM PARTY SOCIALISTS TO THE DISADVANTAGE OF AMERICA. As well as to the HARM of the GOP!
FACT!: Robert Dole could NOT convince enough Conservatives that HE had the required character to be President, and ALL INDICATIONS are that McCain has a greater problem with that than Dole ever did.
NONE of the Conservative leadership came to ME to get MY MARCHING ORDERS for them on this issue!
I stand in excellent company in my assessment of McCain, and I stand in the company of people I have LEARNED IN THE TRENCHES to trust.
Something that CANNOT BE SAID of McCain’s SHIPMATES about HIM.
I can produce evidence that the troopmates of Alvin C. York implicitly trusted him before Battle. I can also show evidence that the troopmates of Audie Murphy also trusted him, implicitly, before Battle.
You can show me NOTHING that shows where CONSERVATIVES can trust McCain to do anything but collude with DIM SOCIALISTS.
He ain’t a man to ride the river with.
And he has established he is going in a direction I refuse.
You have blasted my character and my ability to assess the nature of a person’s character - but you have NOT shown evidence that I am wrong in this particular instance.
You are entitled to vote for him if you are comfortable with him.
You are on this earth to determine such things.
I welcome your choices. I encourage you to make them as strong choices as you can.
Meanwhile, I value the judgements of such as Rush Limbaugh and David Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin, Joe Arpaio, my own father, my brother-in-law, my nephew who earned his Silver Spurs in Iraq, and a lot of other folks.
Some of those will vote for McCain, because of the Party.
But looking at their faces as they announce this CHANGE in their stance….
I don’t feel like jumping off a cliff.
Don’t you dare question my patriotism!
WWWWWWAAAAAAAAAA
Sound familiar?
… good grief.
Well guess what Ombre….you will never have the President you want, ever! America is not as cut and dried as that. We do not all toe the strict “religious, social, fiscal and foreign” lines you perhaps do. Your candidate will never be elected in the 50/50 world we live in. So where does that leave you? Look at Bush, is he conservative enough for you?, he was to sign shamnesty. How bout Reagan, he signed the first one.
You go ahead and write in your candidate and ride off into the sunset on your high horse. I will vote for McCain with pleasure because I live here and now. I understand 4 or 8 years of supreme court choices could devastate this country. I understand the young men and women in the military need support not lip service, I understand the fiscal policies the others will employ now, not in some fantasyland perfect world.
I would suggest you follow the thinking of so many fringe leftists….Buy a plane ticket.
I’m sure you would love it if there were no one left in America to counter all the votes FOR SOCIALISM that you “MODERATES” will post under “CONSERVATIVE COLORS” under a candidate such as McCain, and salve your conscience with the little (R) by his name.
But those causes you claim as the excuse for your actions are false, since his actions don’t justify your “confidence” that he will do the right thing.
You’ve chosen your course - enjoy it!
You can call my course anything you like.
I’m not voting for that Liberal Leftist Socialist just because you guys want to “call” him a “moderate Republican”.
Bambi calling a little skunk, “Flower” didn’t make the little skunk smell any the sweeter, and you cannot dress McCain up as anything other than what he is - a self-centered, egotistical, self-important, pompous little smarmy would-be Napoleon. And a BFF of Hanoi John and Toady Chappaquiddick Kennedy.
And as I’ve told you before - millions of Conservatives cannot be reached at all “at this time” to inform them of your very important opinion of them.
How distressing for you that they shall not be disturbed in the least by your little rantings.
LOL……..Now I remember why I am not a republican.
I found articles by Kerry praising McCain, and by the daughter of the Keating from Keating Five trying to exonerate him and excoriate his attackers, and sites by Ted Sampley, Swift Boat Vets.
I didn’t find sites by fellow POWS seeking to exonerate McCain.
Or by former superior officers who remembered details of his record that passed through their hands, seeking to say, they couldn’t reveal facts they knew for a fact from his sealed documents but THEY KNOW that McCain is all he says he is, etc. et al….
But I think you will be shocked and stunned more by who is NOT defending McCain’s war record than by who IS.
Also why does he resembles Kerry in proudly proclaiming his “war hero status” while simultaneously SEALING HIS OWN WAR RECORDS.”
Re: war record. Sorry, but it’s apparent that you’ve been hanging around the nutter sites. Ted Sampley is a charlatan. POW Medal of Honor awardees Admiral Stockdale and Colonel Day have written very favorably of McCain.
Col. Day is the most decorated service member alive. My brother-in-law knows him personally. Col. Day is campaigning for McCain. They were cellmates in Hanoi for months.