Reason #99,976,522 to homeschool
Posted in: Education
See what others have said
Note from Michelle: This section is for comments from michellemalkin.com's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that I agree with or endorse any particular comment just because I let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with my terms of use may lose his or her posting privilege.
Trackbacks
- Blatant Reality » Blog Archive » Another Reason to Homeschool
- Oblogatory Anecdotes - Schwarzenegger Vows to Terminate Outrageous Court Ruling
- Reformed Hippie
- Holy Hamburger Helper Batman! « Wayward Fundamentalist Christian
- Young Patriot Who Loves America Is Punished For His Pride At School.
Comments
You must be logged in to post a comment.
Categories: Education
TigerHawk
» Markets, Obama, goose, ganderPower Line
» An appeal not to appealJustOneMinute
» James (Not Earl) Jones As National Security AdviserBelmont Club
» 2025Patterico
» New York Times: Secretary of State ClintonRiehl World View
» Observations: Hank Paulson On A PlaneWeekly Standard
» A Run on Guns, Just in Time for the HolidaysStop The ACLU
» Hillary Clinton Will Say Yes to Secretary of State Job
ew factor alert should be noted.
Are there Cliff Notes for this book?
omfg
This is just stomach turning. Secular-Progressives at their
bestworst.push the envelope right into bankruptcy as far as I am concerned. My child will not be filling a seat.
This is the kind of “literature” they’re studying in AP English these days? Gimme a break. This is more about brainwashing kids to “accept” and “understand” homosexual behavior and culture rather than what it actually is. Who the hell is choosing the literature for this course? Gore Vidal?
Sheesh…”who would have thought….” must be the understatement of this millenium.
No agenda at this school…move along…no agenda to see here…Hey look over there!
yikes! Compare that to my small town, conservative school that sends home a permission slip every year regarding the Guidance counselor talking in the classrooms. This year’s topics for my Third Grader: empathy and the like. I signed off on my Kindergartener getting the “Stranger Danger” talk, etc. Anything that could be labeled as controversial gets a permission slip sent home for the parents to sign.
I have no kids in high school, but I can’t imagine it changes that much by the time they get to high school. I hope not anyway!
I’m glad I don’t live in Deerfield, IL!!
It is really terrifying when public schools succumb to the agendas of these groups. But this is happening in a lot of public schools!
When I taught in the middle school in Texas I did not agree with half of the PC “literature” the kids read. It was at that point that I decided we would either do private school or homeschool!
This is absolutely disgusting.
The vulgarity in which this being taught is disgraceful. It’s disgraceful period but these people aren’t even being decent about it.
You don’t have to peddle lesbian and gay lifestyle, if it is as natural as they would like us to believe - Wouldn’t these kids come to know it on their own? What they want is to force acceptance of this lifestyle and that along with the graphic nature this is being presented is wrong. If schools were half as concerned with having their students succeed in reading, writing and arithmetic as they are with indoctrinating kids to accept the behavior of others we would probably be better off.
OK, That was disgusting…
The entire school board should be fired!
I saw my transition from “conventional” schooling to home-schooling in the tenth grade as jumping off of a sinking ship.
Liberals.Gone.Wild.
“Reason #99,976,522 to homeschool”
Reason #99,976,522 to break the backs of the teachers’ unions, and to fundamentally, radically change the way education is offered and paid for in our country.
We taxpayers should not be forced at the point of a gun to pay for this filth.
And forced at the point of a gun we are, because public education is funded through mandatory taxation by government, which, if the taxpayer does not pay, has the power to seize the taxpayer’s assets; to bring the taxpayer to court; to seize the taxpayer himself and imprison him;…and, ultimately, if the taxpayer formidably resists, to shoot him and kill him.
This is whwere we are folks.
How long will our cultural civil war stay cold, with continuing, increasing, worsening provocations such as this example?
God help us.
Would someone help me with my jaw. It’s resting on the floor.
We can’t have Janet Jackson’s breast on television, but we can have porn in the school. Is this a great country or what?
The parents could sue for billions for child molestation.
*sigh*.
When I was in High School showing a quick sex scene from an adaptation of Romeo and Juliet was consdiered racy. “Candide” was, to me, somewhat radical.
How low we have sunk in only a few years.
Sexual education and other social programs should have never been allowed in public schools. That’s the parents’ responsibility.
Education, in general, is the parents’ responsibility. Homeschooling demands many sacrifices and disciplines, when properly executed. Handing one’s children over to the benevolent government is easy. Afterall, that’s why we pay taxes, right?
California has seen the threat of homeschooling and its Supreme Court has decreed that parents have no constitutional (Calif’s const.) right to educate their children. Anyone who has done an hour’s worth of research has seen the evidence: homeschooling is a bonus to the children and society.
We have lost control. Time to close the pss.
windbag,
I agree; however, I think we have all come to terms with the fact that there are public schools. I for one plan on homeschooling when the little ones arrive. But it’s this push by liberals to indoctrinate kids with everything unholy that has lead me to this conclusion. I attended public schools and they ain’t (just kidding) what they used to be.
I need to shower just having read that article.
Deerpark, ILLINOIS… No surprise coming from the state that elected Dick Durbin and Barack Obama. I’m actually surprised they didn’t charge the parents with obstruction for complaining.
I signed up with the Illinois Republican party in January via telephone and haven’t heard a peep from them since. Again…sadly…not surprising.
I hate this state. I wish I could move back to South Carolina.
*seething anger*
Angels in America is probably not appropriate for a high school required reading list. But it is certainly not pornography. It’s an amazing work of art that cuts to the core of our country’s strained relationship with gays and AIDS. It’s an American masterwork. To describe Angels in America as porn does a great disservice to its message of acceptance, responsibility, and facing guilt.
(The “infect me” part is a message of homosexuals being stigmatized as having AIDS and the self-fulfilling prophecy it can create. It’s a moment of shame and degradation. It’s not presented as a lark or anything.)
I went to a Catholic school. My junior year there was a book on the required reading list where a married woman having an adulterous affair is vaginally penetrated with a stick of butter. There were no outraged parents and no calls for the nuns to be thrown out of the classroom. No one accused our English Department of promoting an adulterous lifestyle or of promoting dairy fetishes.
southsideironworks. Ditto.
Yeah. That stupid First Amendment is always getting in the way of things.
Yeah. “Serious literary value” should not be protected. That’s the country I want to live in.
I wonder if this is one of the districts which banned mark twain from its library shelves.
LOL you can always count on Rusty to show up and defend smut like this.
So, this is acceptable but not the Bible and prayer? WOW - just WOW.
Sorry, but Cybercast News Service has less credibility than the New York Times in my book after their libelous smearing of the game “Mass Effect” in which they falsely claimed that the game contained hardcore pornographic content.
This led Michael Medved to take a break from his mancrushing on McCain to dedicate an hour repeating these lies. Fox News also jumped all over it, calling it a “Sexbox scandal”, and thus handed liberals a perfect way to make the case that FNC are liars because the panel (who like Medved hadn’t played the game) kept repeating the lies about sexual content.
I wrote the author of the piece imploring him to retract his lies if they hoped for conservative news outlets to retain their credibility and he never answered. I was about to go on Medved’s radio show as a caller, but time ran out as he chose calls that reinforced the “gamers = losers” meme. He did have as a last call a man who denied the thesis, but it was too little, too late. (And Medved claims he’s about honesty? Ha!)
The NYT and WaPo can lie over and over again without being held to account, but all it takes is one sloppy choice to ignore the truth for conservative sources to be forever tarred as being unreliable by the Left.
Because CNS sparked a conservative daisy-chain pooch screw, their reporting is no longer believable and should be avoided as a source for outrage.
maybe the country’s strained relationship with gays has more to do with the buttless leather chap gays who claim to representative of all gay as opposed to the logcabin republican gays. In otherword its not the ‘gay’ part that’s the problem.
Rusty:
As we have come to see, I am apt to agree with you on social matters, but in this case I must protest.
I am sure that the article picked out the worst part of “Angels in America” book. I am also sure it depicted it in the worst light possible. I am fairly confident that what you say is, for the most part true.
However, it still has no place in High School (and neither does the stick of butter bit you spoke of.)
Furthermore: being homosexual is un-natural, and shouldn’t IMHO, be taught as being acceptable. Should we comdemn and chastise gays? I don’t think so, I think we should tolerate them.
Some people might invoke God and say AIDS is God’s way of telling gays “NO”. I say it’s natural selection at work.
I’d love to see their banned reading list..
Me too. You can bet the Bible is #1 on that list.
No need to. They seem to be doing it to each others.
A great reason to homeschool. Except in California now though.
Some where in Lexington, Concord, or some other moonbat central here in Mass - this book will become book-of-the-year.
Blood shooting out of my eyes…I can barely see to type!
Zeroangel, you’re right that the book is too mature and controversial for a public high school required reading list. But the people in the article don’t just want to take it off the list. They want to criminalize it. Which is a dangerous precedent. And the source is so obviously biased and ridiculous. You are absolutely right that they took the most controversial lines in a very long series of plays and used them for the most dramatic effect possible.
Soap, putting the Bible on a required reading list and mandatory school prayer is a government endorsement of religion. Which, and you know this, is a constitutional no-no.
I believe that schools, even public schools, should feature religious texts in their library for students to look through. And they should feature important works like Angels in America as well.
But required? No.
Here we go again. Which religion? Also, endorsement is not establishment.
Schools have School Boards. Board members are elected. People elect the Board Members. The obvious problem here is that people mindlessly continue to elect the same idiots who are doing this to America. People need to stop whining about this kind of stuff and start re-call elections and campaigns to identify the culprits. No amount of whining and complaining will change anything. It takes action.
Rusty:
Seems we are in complete agreement. Well, other than I am apt to believe I would have a less positive review of “Angels in America” then you. I must confess I have not read it, and really have no desire to.
This is truly disgusting, but no more so than the anti-U.S. military drivel being taught elementary schools students in the reading anthologies (I have a particular fifth grade level reader in mind, but I do not know if MM would approve of my naming it here).
Suffice it to say, parents need to look through their kids’ text books and see for themselves the kind of propaganda their young students are being taught.
As a teacher myself I can tell you there is only so much we can do towards weeding out the “pc” chaff contained in most textbooks, and still deliver instruction that meets our individual system and state dept of ed curricular requirements.
Thus, Parents need to help us by getting involved in their local boards of ed and school councils as these are the bodies that not only decide what we teach and how we teach it, but also the types of textbooks and standards we use in our classrooms.
Rusty:
I agree that prayer in public schools is endorsement of religion and should be avoided. However, I see nothing wrong with a Ten Commandments plaque in a courtroom or required reading of the Bible in school. Both counts could be considered aspects of American culture.
That is, the Ten Commandments could be said to be where we derive some of our most basic laws from, and the Bible could be said to be one of the greatest and most popular works of Western Literatue.
What if the Bible were studied in that it was looked at as a grand epic, like the Iliad, for example? Is teaching Greek mythology in schools to be considered state endorsement of religion? I say no.
Western Literatue???
Soap:
Yes. Sure I have said “Mid-Eastern”? I guess I was being very broad.
*Should I have said.
Or was it my spelling of Literature? Damn… typos. nvm.
The irony of my last 3 posts is not lost on me, don’t worry.
*smirk*
I remember being cautioned by the teachers that they had better not hear any cat-calls, when that particular scene came up, zeroangel.
But, sadly, we have devolved from the Zefirelli version of Romeo & Juliet to what is being introduced to our children to make them more culturally sensitive and is supposed to pass for an academic education these days.
I wonder what Ray “Chocalate City” Nagin would have to say about all this.
Un-freaking-believable. Just to take this to the extreme logical counterpoint: Wonder how the school board would feel about explicit HETEROsexual “literature”…
This is absolutely shameful.
Barry F:
Olivia Hussey was hot. *smile*
Would you say the school district is following the morals that the community finds acceptable or the morals (or lack thereof) as set by the ACLU?
I went to a Humanities Magnet here in the San Fernando Valley (part of Los Angeles for those of you who don’t know So Cal well) and I had to read Angels in America for AP Lit. My teacher was gleeful about teaching it. Let’s just say I didn’t share his enthusiasm…I preferred Hamlet, actually.
The theory of evolution is taught in schools, no questions asked. But it isn’t taught like any other theory…
I don’t think anyone would have a problem with it. Plenty of books, ancient, Renaissance, and contemporary have sex scenes between a man and a woman.
And I already mentioned the butter thing.
It occurs to me that these “tolerance” lovers at Deerfield High are probably among the same folks who vehemently protest the War on Terror. The irony? If they tried to indoctrinate Arab students with homosexual porn, their school would be blown up by a suicide bomber!
To be fair, I should add we did study parts of the Bible in a literary light. I think it was Genesis and Job that we read the actual text from and we also read Paradise Lost.
30 pcs:
I am not sure I follow. There are 2 parts to evolution. The theory and the fact.
The fact talks about observed changes of organisms over time. The theory talks about the ideas about how those changes came about.
Aspects of evolution are fact. This is not disputed. The dispute comes in how those cange scame about, “Intelligent Design” or “Evolution.”
Um? How is it not taught like any other theory? You mean it’s taught as fact? Well so is the theory of relativity and you never see angry parents asking for a disclaimer in their kids’ physics books.
Any scientific claim that can not be recreated or observed will always be a theory no matter how much evidence exists to prove that theory. Could you name me one of the theories that are taught differently in schools.
Actually, this has the potential to be quite the threadjack. I’m more than happy sticking with the bareback sex in Central Park.
Rusty:
Come on now, don’t be shy. It’s not you or I doing the thread-jacking :P.
I believe that is called ‘Penthouse Forum’
Gee,
I had almost forgotten the other 99,976,521 reasons.
Un. Be. Lievable.
Memo to self: Thank the wife for her efforts in teaching our kids at home. Set priority level: ONE!
Like a lot of 20th century works, I think “Angels In America” was lauded more for its ideas and “pushing the envelope” than its true merits. (I predict a lot of what was considered great about the last century artistically will not be considered so in the future.)
Whether you like it or not though, it is completely inappropriate for high schoolers. When I took AP English back in the late ’80s, I read William Faulkner, William Shakespeare, Joseph Conrad, and Charles Dickens. There’s a total lack of common sense on the part of teachers who want to push the envelope and spineless administrators.
How true. It’s so boring and predictable for students to learn in school how to wrap a cucumber with a condom before they proceed to having unprotected sex, or to be programmed into “celebrating” reckless homosexuality as just another menu item on life’s smorgasboard.
Wouldn’t it be a counter-culture kind of “edgy” and “avant garde” these days for a public school to turn out students who can compete above a third-world level in international math and science competitions?
Hmmmmm? To each their own, I suppose.
The Seeds That’ll Bite Us Under The Radar
Michelle, here in Queens NY we’ve the Samantha Smith public elementary school, facing Kings Park mansion where George Washington once quartered. To give you an idea of this school’s orientation, take a guess who’s the honorable personality the school’s titled after. No idea? Try the ten-year-old “bold peace martyr” who wrote to Mikhail Gorbachev how she couldn’t sleep because of nuclear war (and pretty much inferred that she knew HE wouldn’t start it) before perishing in a plane crash. My second-grade neighbor relates how the teachers there regard you as a VERY good super caring person if you’re green and Al Gore is trying to save all us from bad greedy men who want to make the earth dirty, along with a daily sprinkling of “tolerance of ALL things makes you a good person”, pro-windmill “sunshine power” and whales-are-human-too mantas too. One of the most sadly ironic things about the caving in to PC cultural/educational degradation is when I spot under the radar how childrens’ television is accepting these “new norms,” and I’m even talking the Disney Channel/programming here. Walt would be rolling in his grave seeing “lavender pride days” and transgender kids making the scene on shows and movies under his name.
James Greenidge
Queens NY
But Mark Twain is out for being offensive? Boy am I missing the steamboat here! I just do not understand. I know my education sucked … but never this bad!
Sorry if I offended anyone with my take on this “literature” and our illustrious federal system of public
educationindoctrinationI believe in micro evolution but anything on the macro level and you’ve lost me. However, the point is such that it is taught that evolution answers for our existence and there is nothing to counterbalance that message.
But that’s a discussion for another day/thread. I don’t want to hijack the thread anymore than I have already.
The Dean of Education at the college where my wife has gone back to get her MAT to teach English 7-12 looked at her, when she was talking about her love of Literature, citing some of her favorites, like Shakespeare and several others, and told her, “You need to get over the dead white quys.”
The professor was more a fan of Maya Angelou and similar contemporary writers.
This is not disputed??? I beg to differ. Evolution has been disputed from its core from the very beginning. Even Darwin feels the evidence would one day disputes his “theory”. You should read up on Darwin and what he had to say about his theory. One of my favorite Problems” Darwin brings up is:
If man were on earth for 3 million years, you could not walk out your door without stepping on fossilized remains.
Yet, we still have people putting ape bones with human bones to try and “make” a missing link.
No zeroangel, every aspect of evolution has been disputed and will continue to be disputed until the theory is put to rest which is reason #1 to home school your kids.
Soap,
You got it! but I decided to bow out and not overthrow the thread. But you got it.
30 pcs:
There is a counterbalance, its taught in another school on Sunday. The problem with teaching “Intelligent Design” in science class is its just not science. There is no evidence to support the “theory” of ID.
The day that a “blueprint” of human DNA on a data crytstal dated 50,000BC is discovered or the day it is found that a cipher exists in the Bible that spells out the sequence of human DNA exactly is the day I will support ID in science class. Until that day, it is not science, it is either religion, or UFOology (psuedoscience).
Soap:
I was talking about micro-evolution. That is not disputed. There are observed changes in populations in recorded history.
Soap, plenty of Darwin’s stuff has been refuted. That happens to all sorts of great thinkers. But just because Darwin was wrong doesn’t mean the Theory of Evolution should be thrown out. The evidence is there.
It would be one thing if there were as also evidence supporting another option, but there isn’t. All the evidence points to evolution. There is no evidence supporting creationism. Period. Even intelligent design implies that evolution is very real.
Ok. What would you prefer? There is no evidence of anything being created by a Higher Power. Hell, I believe in intelligent design. Humanity is so much of a miracle to me that I can’t find another explanation. But saying God made the Heavens and the Earth isn’t going to cut it in science class.
Ok, let’s threadjack with Regulus now:
The play is not celebrating reckless homosexuality. The reckless sexual activity is portrayed as a bad, bad thing.
And people taught sex ed in school are less likely to have unprotected sex than students who go through an abstinence only program.
Oh, but macro-evolution is disputed as well. This is like saying all the evidence for man made GW is in and there is no dispute. There is MUCH dispute on macro-evolution as well.
Again, evolution is reason #1 to home school your kids. We were never so grateful to our school system here to allow our kids to opt out of that portion of science class and offer an alternative. Evolution is faith based (you HAVE to believe in it) which (as Rusty is fond of saying) goes against the constitution – endorsement of a religion pure and simple.
Myself, I do not doubt your word Rusty, my issue is this:
Is the play teaching that being homosexual is somehow acceptable? As I said, I have not read it, but I suspect it does.
I do not think schools should be teaching that homosexuality is “acceptable.” It is not. It is counter to nature and it is evidence that something has gone wrong with an individual, whether biologically or phsycologically.
zeroangel,
You know exactly what I mean. What is the ratio of the number of children being taught evolution to those who learn about intelligent design?
You cannot be serious about science being unable to prove that there is Intelligent Design in the universe! Whether you choose to believe what this research has to say is a completely different matter.
That just simply isn’t true and unfortunately I do not have my books here with me at work to cite. However, there is plenty of evidence to support Intelligent design.
Yes. I believe that aspect of evolution is taught as theory. Much like the “theory of gravity.”
True, I was in HS many years ago, but I never recalled being taught macro-evolution as FACT. Much like I never recall being told Einstien’s relativity is FACT. The caveat in science always is there.
I have to ask, Soap, its clear to me that you are a proponent of ID, but do you also believe that the Earth is only several thousand years old and that God simply called man and woman into being?
If you believe that, please say so, and I will pursue this no further.
30pcs:
Please point me to evidence of ID as I would very much like to read it.
Our exsistence is not evidence in itself, that is a circular arguement. Anything that I have seen that purports to be scientific evidence of ID has always been psuedo-science and has had numerous logically fallacies. If I am unaware of something please bring it to my attention.
That is argument is, frankly, dumb. The reason you have to believe in it is because there is no scientific evidence pointing to an alternative. That’s like having faith in Newton’s laws. I have faith in the science when there is nothing out there to disprove it.
Even ID argues that the evidence pointing to evolution is very real. ID’s argument is that there was some divine force creating the evolution. No argument from me. But that belongs in a theology class. Not science.
30, there is no evidence that supports ID. None. Which is why every court in this country that has considered the issue has said that ID can not be taught in the classroom.
I am so glad I went to a school (a Catholic school where we had prayer in the classroom and the existence of God was never questioned) that still had the foresight to teach us evolutionary theory and history.
Okay, I can’t resist any longer.
zeroangel,
You have a decent point: one cannot point to our existence alone as scientific evidence that we were made by God.
Unfortunately for the arguements in favor of evolution, that is exactly what they say: Our existence (to evolutionists) can only be explained by evolution (macro) because they have no other explaination. Their logic always turns out to be circular as well.
zeroangel,
I don’t have them with as I am at work… Which reminds me, better get some work done. If I remember when I get home I’ll be sure to log on and let you know.
That’s not the argument I am making at all.
Rusty,
You do know that at the Quantum level Newton’s laws no longer apply, don’t you?
Just food for thought….
SHoward:
The difference is that there are fossil records that can be inferred to be various stage of evolution of homo-sapiens. There is also observed evolution as fact (fruit flies in the lab).
Saying, “it appears that humans evolved from apes because there are fossil records showing various stages and we know that evolution happens on a micro-level” is not circular logic.
Saying, “It appears that evolution must have occured because of a higher power because we as humans cannot see such order without a higher power” or “God must have just created us because we are so advanced and an advanced being must have made us.” IS circular logic.
Rusty,
Again, that’s not true. I too attended Catholic school, albeit briefly. I am currently enrolled at Liberty University. So, I have an appreciation for learning about God in a variety of ways. I conduct my own research and there is plenty proof to support intelligent design.
So “Angels in America: A Gay Fantasia on National Themes (Parts 1 & 2)” can be required reading, but Tom Sawyer can be banned?
I am going to scrutinize every single book and handout my daughter receives when she gets into school (presuming I don’t homeschool, but this is MA, and it will likely be made illegal!).
30pcs:
Please. But expect that I have read them (I do quite a bit of reading) and expect that they have (more than likely) a circular logic flaw. Most likely one along the lines of, “humans are so advanced and ordered that only an advanced being of order could have created us.”
SHoward:
You are absolutely right per Newton and Quantum Physics. However, newton still works very well for almost all day to day applications and there’s nothing wrong with having “faith” that newton will steer you in the right direction when building a bridge, for example.
Zero,
I haven’t even told you what the name of the book or books are and you are already discrediting it. So, praytell why I should even bother? As it would undoubtedly be a waste of my time.
and here I thought the #1 reason for homeschooling was because schools couldnt teach math.
zero,
Besides, I am referring to the universe, you went into this whole thing about utilizing humans to prove ID.
Zero,
You should read more carefully about the fruit flies. If memeory serve (and it must for now, as my reference is at home as well as 30’s) the attempts to breed a change by weeding certain characteristics in favor of others resulted in the flies dying out.
As for the fossil record, there remains no link, and much of the “linking” that has been done has not been supported by any reliable dating methods.
As for Newton’s laws, I sure hope they apply when I dive from the path of a falling apple. The problem is that when we were finally able to observe quantum phenomena, we found that traditional science didn’t have the answers.
Evolution is much younger that physics, and to presuppose that there cannot be any other force acting on the living universe because we haven’t yet observed it is pretty un-scientific, don’t you think?
30 pcs:
So you DO believe in evolution? You just think a Higher Begin facilitated it? Correct?
You aren’t wasting your time. Please point me to them. It’s just that I would be very surprised since real scientific evidence of ID would have likely turned the scientific community inside out and I would have no doubt heard about it, considering the ammount of reading I do on the topic. I would enjoy the chance to discover the flaw in another point of view though.
SHoward:
I do not doubt a single thing you said. HOWEVER:
Evolution is the only thing we have, and there is something far more un-scientific:
Ascribing the development of human beings to something we have not yet observed is the pinacle of “un-science.”
It is not the government’s responsibility to insure the proper moral upbringing of children. It is the children’s parent’s responsibility. It is the government’s responsibility to teach children to be good citizens, however that may be defined at the time.
Parents tend to forget/ignore/not realize is that very few school subjects exist in a moral vacuum. Morality is tied up in history, civics, writing, lit., science, “health,” etc. and it is impossible to teach those subjects without an assumed, implied or stated ethic. If the child learns those subjects from the government, then the child learns them with the government-approved/mandated ethic.
How can parents be upset when their child learns the government-approved ethic from the govenment school? What else are they qualified to teach?
Why is that? You think that a person who believes in a young earth hasn’t enough intelligence for you to have a debate with?
There is more evidence to show that the earth in NOT billions of years old than there is to show that it is billions of years old.
For instance:
The history of the Bible keeps providing evidence of historical fact
HERE
Believe Darwin and his ilk -or- the mountain of evidence that keeps piling up against evolution and the Biblical account?
If you really want to get deep into statistics, you would be hard pressed to resolve the mathematical impossibility of DNA coming into existence in a few billion years let alone the idea of having to overcome which came first, proteins or DNA since they would both have to exist at the same time (chicken and egg problem).
Speaking of ID, google the orchid wasp. What an awesome example of design.
Just for you zeroangel. I believe GOD created man. I believe the earth is young. I also believe that you cannot put the parts of a Swiss watch into a mixer, remove anything that might harm the process of the recreation of said watch, and let it tumble in the mixer over billions of years and the watch will assemble itself. I also believe I am not stooped.
P.S. The smallest single cell – a virus – is much more complex than any watch.
This is exactally why evolution should not be is school. Kids come out closed minded and will not research beyond what they have been told. Again, reason #1 kids should be home schooled.
Zero,
I stated above that I believe that microevolution occurs;however, I do not believe in anything or anyone spouting macroevolution.
No mystery here for me. I believe God created the world and all that is in it. Not furniture or computers but the universe and you and me.
If I remember when I get home, I’ll be sure to let you know about them. I just don’t understand your approach to it is all.
You said it, not me.
I think that our ideas differ so radically that having a conversation about it would be pointless.
I have read the evidence you suggest. My further reading on the topic has convinced me that the “geology record” (for example) is pseudo-science.
This is where our debate on this topic ends.