Left and right agree: Eliot Spitzer must go Update: “At least six years and possibly for more than a decade;” Update: Spitzer plays “Let’s make a deal”

By Michelle Malkin  •  March 11, 2008 04:56 AM

Scroll down for updates…NYPost reporting Spitzer used the escort service at least six years and possibly for more than a decade…”…Spitzer does deal-making before the resignation…

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Don’t miss this campaign ad flashback as Eliot Spitzer follows “Trustworthy Turnpike,” past “Honesty Road” and “Integrity Lane,” ending up at “Responsibility Road.”

Make a U-Turn–and you end up at the Mayflower Hotel.

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Cover of today’s NYPost.

A survey of this morning’s lead editorials in the NY press shows a bipartisan consensus: Eliot Spitzer has to go. Both left and right bristled at Spitzer’s brief, arrogant, remorseless, and dishonest statement yesterday apologizing for his “private matter”–a very public matter of alleged law-breaking, breach of electoral trust, and political self-destruction. The NYPost shreds the Naked Emperor. The Newsday concludes: “The decorum of the office can’t withstand this man’s abuse of it.”

The NYDaily News snarks: “Hit the road, john.” And even the NYTimes, which broke the story, acknowledges in its lead editorial that “it is hard to see how he will recover from this mess and go on to lead the reformist agenda on which he was elected to office.”

Spitzer’s got a history of exempting himself from the rules everyone else must follow, and then attempting to downplay his transgressions by classifying them as personal. I found this passage in a New York magazine profile from last July, recounting how he lied about his father financing his attorney general campaign, quite telling:

Spitzer easily won the 1998 primary. In the general election, against incumbent Dennis Vacco, he spent more than $8 million, almost all of which he said he personally lent to the campaign. Vacco suspected that the money from his first campaign and now this one really came from Spitzer’s father, which seemed to violate campaign-finance laws—a family member can’t contribute more than $260,000. Spitzer claimed he’d mortgaged eight apartments his father had given him at 200 Central Park South, a building Bernard developed, and raised $5 million. “No one else has guaranteed the loan,” Spitzer said in an affidavit.

And then, days before the election, Spitzer came clean to the Times. His father had, in effect, financed the campaign. Bernard was really paying off the co-op loans; Spitzer was supposedly repaying his father, which permitted Spitzer to claim the money was technically his. Spitzer said the scheme was legal. If so, he had lawyered election and tax codes close to the line.

Perhaps Spitzer’s clearer infraction, though, was that he misled—some said lied to—not only the public but also his closest campaign aides. “People were disappointed and shocked,” says one aide. Spitzer was remorseful—“He felt bad,” says the aide. He won the election, but barely.

Later, I asked Spitzer, now the state’s ethical crusader, whether he regretted this deception. “I just would have been completely transparent about it,” he tells me. “I didn’t realize how necessary it was to be transparent about every personal financial transaction.” It’s difficult to hear the word transparent and not think that the more precise word is honest. Spitzer once told me that he’d learned at the D.A.’s office there are some fights in which, as he put it, “you can never concede errors because you just can’t do it.” Maybe this is one of those.

Didn’t learn anything from that episode. And once again, he refused yesterday concede the basic public errors and transgressions he has committed. It wasn’t the sex, it was the suspicious financial transactions–and the ABC News report from yesterday is worth repeating:

As recently as this past Valentine’s Day, Feb. 13, Spitzer, who officials say is identified in a federal complaint as “Client 9,” arranged for a prostitute “Kristen” to meet him in Washington, D.C. The woman met Client 9 at the Mayflower Hotel, room 871, “for her tryst,” according to the complaint. Client 9 also is alleged to have paid for the woman’s train tickets, cab fare, mini bar and room service, travel time and hotel.

The suspicious financial activity was initially reported by a bank to the IRS which, under direction from the Justice Department, brought kin the FBI’s Public Corruption Squad.

“We had no interest at all in the prostitution ring until the thing with Spitzer led us to learn about it,” said one Justice Department official.

Spitzer, who made his name by bringing high-profile cases against many of New York’s financial giants, is likely to be prosecuted under a relatively obscure statute called “structuring,” according to a Justice Department official.

Structuring involves creating a series of financial movements designed to obscure the true purpose of the payments.

As for those few delusional apologists who want to argue that Spitzer engaged in a victimless crime, here are four of Spitzer’s innocent victims. Looking at that beautiful family makes the utter lack of remorse and humility in Spitzer’s appearance yesterday all the more mind-boggling.

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Jules Crittenden can’t help looking at the trainwreck.

Did Spitzer have a taxpayer-funded bodyguard with him? The NYSun:

Governor Spitzer, in the wake of the disclosure that he patronized a prostitute last month, now risks criminal prosecution, legal experts say.

For now, federal prosecutors are likely launching a wide investigation into Mr. Spitzer’s finances to determine whether any public funds, property, or employees were used during any encounter between Mr. Spitzer and a prostitute, several former prosecutors say. The investigation might include establishing whether a taxpayer-funded bodyguard for Mr. Spitzer was present nearby. Law enforcement officials are also expected to try to contact any prostitutes whom Mr. Spitzer patronized, as well as interview Mr. Spitzer’s inner circle about their knowledge of his conduct, former prosecutors say.

The WSJ weighs in:

The stupendously deluded belief that the sitting Governor of New York could purchase the services of prostitutes was merely the last act of a man unable to admit either the existence of, or need for, limits. At the least, he put himself at risk of blackmail, and in turn the possible distortion of his public duties. Mr. Spitzer’s recklessness with the state’s highest elected office, though, is of a piece with his consistent excesses as Attorney General from 1999 to 2006.

He routinely used the extraordinary threat of indicting entire firms, a financial death sentence, to force the dismissal of executives, such as AIG’s Maurice “Hank” Greenberg. He routinely leaked to the press emails obtained with subpoena power to build public animosity against companies and executives. In the case of Mr. Greenberg, he went on national television to accuse the AIG founder of “illegal” behavior. Within the confines of the law itself, though, he never indicted Mr. Greenberg. Nor did he apologize.

In perhaps the incident most suggestive of Mr. Spitzer’s lack of self-restraint, the then-Attorney General personally threatened John Whitehead after the former Goldman Sachs chief published an article on this page defending Mr. Greenberg. “I will be coming after you,” Mr. Spitzer said, according to Mr. Whitehead’s account. “You will pay the price. This is only the beginning, and you will pay dearly for what you have done.”

Jack Welch, the former head of GE, said he was told to tell Ken Langone — embroiled in Mr. Spitzer’s investigation of former NYSE chairman Dick Grasso — that the AG would “put a spike through Langone’s heart.” New York Congresswoman Sue Kelly, who clashed with Mr. Spitzer in 2003, had her office put out a statement that “the attorney general acted like a thug.”

These are not merely acts of routine political rough-and-tumble. They were threats — some rhetorical, some acted upon — by one man with virtually unchecked legal powers.

Eliot Spitzer’s self-destructive inability to recognize any limit on his compulsions was never more evident than his staff’s enlistment of the New York State Police in a campaign to discredit the state’s Senate Majority Leader, Joseph Bruno. On any level, it was nuts. Somehow, Team Spitzer thought they could get by with it. In the wake of that abusive fiasco, his public approval rating plunged.

Mr. Spitzer’s dramatic fall yesterday began in the early afternoon with a posting on the Web site of the New York Times about the alleged link to prostitutes. The details in the criminal complaint about “Client-9,” who is reported to be Mr. Spitzer, will now be played for titters by the press corps. But one may ask: Where were the media before this? With a few exceptions, the media were happy to prosper from his leaks and even applaud, rather than temper, the manifestly abusive instincts of a public official.

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Update: Impeachment?

Update: No resignation today? Plus: How long was Spitzer Client #9?

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Comments


  1. #264210
    On March 11th, 2008 at 1:28 pm, madchef said:

    My advice to the governor is to take the Luger and do the honorable thing.
    What a slime ball.

    http://www.ny.gov/governor/contact/index.html

  2. #264232
    On March 11th, 2008 at 1:55 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    U.S. Chamber of Commerce described Spitzer: his approach is “the most egregious and unacceptable form of intimidation we’ve seen in this country in modern times”

    …and he will get a pass as he is pro death and a Dem to boot.

    He was supposed to resign last night and I made a few bucks on a bet. He may get impeached but like Bill, he will not resign. I will go so far as to bet he gets re-elected in New York. You know, the place where they voted in a Senator who was not a resident?

  3. #264240
    On March 11th, 2008 at 2:00 pm, dan708 said:

    Too bad – this guy was actually doing some good in the world. Now he’s a whoremonger!

  4. #264242
    On March 11th, 2008 at 2:01 pm, graysonret said:

    The story was all over the MSM this morning with hordes of “experts” giving their political/social/medical opinions. One interview/special report after another. Personally, whether he resigns, stays, or opens his own whorehouse, makes little difference to me, my family or my work. Sorry, just not really interested in the “governor of New York”. I sense enough corruption here in Virginia.

  5. #264243
    On March 11th, 2008 at 2:02 pm, RobM1981 said:

    “Blaming the wife for marrying a jerk…” Hmmm… yeah, that about sums it up.

    We all know people who were surprised to find that their spouse was
    -a cheater
    -secretly gay
    -secretly not over an ex
    -an out of control gambler
    -violent
    -addicted to __________
    -a bully
    -Whatever…

    Whenever that happens, I really feel bad for the person surprised. That’s humiliating, and destructive, etc. It’s a tragedy.

    But for every surprise I’ve seen, I’ve seen two or three cases of people making stupid choices that are OBVIOUSLY stupid.

    Did s/he cheat when you were dating? Did s/he beat, or threaten, you when you were dating? Was s/he a complete jerk when you were dating? Was s/he a bully that tossed around his power without caring who got crushed? Etc.

    If the answer to any of those things is “yes,” then you deserve a good dose of “I told you so” when the wheels come off.

    Marriage isn’t dating, and you can’t just walk away when things get bad. OTOH, you can’t become an enabler by constantly turning a blind eye when your spouse is leaving behind debris that used to be other people’s careers and/or lives.

    Spitzer put a LOT of bad people in jail, and he went after some truly bad people.

    He also, as anyone paying attention knows, went after people he had a personal vendetta against, or who were vulnerable to him.

    I’m not saying that Elliot Spitzer didn’t love his family, or that he didn’t root for the Yankees, or anything like that. What I’m saying is that Elliot has always been about Elliot, and nothing but Elliot.

    And anyone who attached their wagon to his star had to know that, and had to know that this is the kind of crap that often goes along with it.

    A lot of people here have compared Spitzer to Bubba Clinton. It’s an apt comparison in a lot of ways.

  6. #264276
    On March 11th, 2008 at 2:34 pm, Ombre Rose said:

    On March 11th, 2008 at 2:02 pm, RobM1981 said:

    Really good one! Mega Dittos!

  7. #264294
    On March 11th, 2008 at 2:55 pm, BrianNY said:

    NY Daily News now reporting that insiders are saying “Governor Spitzer will not be resigning anytime soon.”

  8. #264296
    On March 11th, 2008 at 2:57 pm, Ombre Rose said:

    On March 11th, 2008 at 2:01 pm, graysonret said:

    “Arbitrary power is most easily established on the ruins of liberty abused to licentiousness.” –George Washington

    Sorry, Bud, this case makes ALL the difference to us all, no matter how far away, still in the USA, sometimes even further – when the high-up muckity mucks don’t get prosecuted for such as this, it ripples all the way down.

    How much of the corruption you see today trickled down from Dims approving Clinton’s “privacy”, etc – seeing as how, after 20-30 years of approving other forms of sexual “privacy”, they had to “remain consistent” – thus contributing to the breakdown of Rule of Law, and the increase of ANARCHY.

    You cannot get away from it – the more Rule of Law breaks down, the more degenerate the society gets, the more at risk your own family is of becoming a victim of it.

    Today – other big news is that 1 in 4 teen girls has some STD’s or other. Well, when I was a teen, the news was 1 in 4 girls had been raped.

    The doctors interviewed recommend number one the HPV CACCINE for young girls – regardless of known facts that it is a great risk of giving them the kind of reaction that soldiers in Desert Storm and of Vietnam, of those horrible skin rashes that have to be treated many hours daily the rest of their lives. That part getting almost NO coverage at all.
    Especially that they are at higher risk of such diseases after the vaccine than they were before of the Cancer, or that the vaccine my even actually prevent the spread of that Cancer – but they have to offer SOMETHING besides MORAL RECTITUDE. (re Synthetic and also non-essential “preservative” chemicals included in the Vaccines – and besides, how many of them are manufactured in China? – How much of that 80% of the China product, is marketted here BECAUSE the Chinese Govt donations to the Clintons were NOT properly investigated by Fred Thompson’s committee that was assigned that in vestigation???)

    We’ve come a long way, Baby, in cultural degeneration, and winking at what this man just did TO HIS FAMILY and to his OFFICE is disgusting – and leads to the multitude of these other VERY related stats.

    For instance, the statistical probability of disaster striking his three daughters just skyrocketted.

    Isn’t he ACCOUNTABLE to the COMMUNITY for the SOCIAL RAMMIFICATIONS of his three daughters’ lives just attaining a humongous risk of disaster the likes of which may cross into criminal areas, and at the least, some very expensive social programs having to help pick up the pieces in SOMEONES’ LIVES who are directly related to those disasters, if not the girls themselves???
    NOT to mention what NORMALLY happens to such women as his wife, who end up with a string of broken relationships and financial problems and other negative repurcussions, stemming from the husband’s and father’s similar conduct?

    I am so very tired of so many folks acting like all these heinous acts are only happening “in a vacuum”. They never are.

  9. #264297
    On March 11th, 2008 at 2:57 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    Update: No resignation today? Plus: How long was Spitzer Client #9?

    Let me help:

    Update: No resignation today, tomorrow or any other day as he is a Democrat? Plus: How long was Spitzer Client #9?

    Can you say “how long” and “client #9″ in the same sentence without being banned? Just asking.

  10. #264298
    On March 11th, 2008 at 2:58 pm, purplepeep said:

    Someone had a little fun editing his Wikipedia entry. I expect it’ll be changed, but here’s the screenshot:

    Spitzer Wikipedia entry at 1:50 PM Central Time

  11. #264300
    On March 11th, 2008 at 2:59 pm, DubiousD said:

    Has anyone else mentioned that Spitzer is a superdelegate?

  12. #264302
    On March 11th, 2008 at 3:00 pm, Ombre Rose said:

    On March 11th, 2008 at 2:55 pm, BrianNY said:
    NY Daily News now reporting that insiders are saying “Governor Spitzer will not be resigning anytime soon.”

    At about 12 Central, Fox News thought an announcement was imminent. They had been put on standby.

    This must mean he isn’t getting the deal he wanted from the Justice Dept.

    He needs to be fully prosecuted.

  13. #264304
    On March 11th, 2008 at 3:01 pm, BrianNY said:

    #90 Soap said:

    I will go so far as to bet he gets re-elected in New York. You know, the place where they voted in a Senator who was not a resident?

    One party states like NY and ARK are breeding grounds for corrupt, political rabbits like Eliot Spitzer.

    For Hillary, it was a seamless move from one hutch to another.

  14. #264305
    On March 11th, 2008 at 3:01 pm, old trooper said:

    He basically “did” himself the harm and deserves the same ruthless Prosecution that He was famous for as AG.

  15. #264310
    On March 11th, 2008 at 3:05 pm, Ombre Rose said:

    On March 11th, 2008 at 2:59 pm, DubiousD said:
    Has anyone else mentioned that Spitzer is a superdelegate?

    I heard it on Fox News, yesterday.

    He won’t have any choice but to allow a replacement for THAT. With Hillary on the ballot!

  16. #264312
    On March 11th, 2008 at 3:05 pm, Rusty said:

    Update: No resignation today, tomorrow or any other day as he is a Democrat

    How are Senators Craig and Vitter doing anyways? Still legislating I see. Craig and Vitter are free to push their “family values” agenda on the rest of the American public.

    Representatives Ney and Cunningham held on for as long as possible too.

    And, yeah, there are plenty of Democrats who didn’t resign when they should have. Hopefully Spitzer will do the right thing and step down. But if he doesn’t then he’ll be joining a long list of politicians on both sides of the aisle.

  17. #264315
    On March 11th, 2008 at 3:06 pm, purplepeep said:

    I commented before:
    “Someone had a little fun editing his Wikipedia entry. I expect it’ll be changed, but here’s the screenshot”

    Yup, the Wikipedia entry been changed back and “padlocked”. But the screencapped edit is a good one.

  18. #264316
    On March 11th, 2008 at 3:07 pm, BrianNY said:

    A Topic for Another Day: Further Evidence of Liberal Projection.

    Ever notice that liberals always accuse Republican Attorney Generals of secretly behaving the way that Bobby Kennedy and Eliot Spitzer openly conducted their offices?

  19. #264319
    On March 11th, 2008 at 3:11 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    Rusty,

    See #86

    I was just pointing out the obvious in #97.

  20. #264321
    On March 11th, 2008 at 3:16 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Just curious, when Spitzer resigns, and Paterson takes over, who takes over the Lt. Governor’ spot? Or does that position stay open?

    Just curious if any NY folks out there know the answer.

  21. #264326
    On March 11th, 2008 at 3:19 pm, BrianNY said:

    #104 Rusty said:

    How are Senators Craig and Vitter doing anyways?

    Thoroughly disgraced, inneffective, and publicly denounced by many prominent Republicans.

    Unfortunately for fair-minded individuals like yourself, I deduce that politicians like Craig and Vitter are only empowered by Democrat Party leaders like Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy, Barney Frank, Gary Studds, William Jefferson, Marion Barry, Patrick Kenedy, Alcee Hastings, et al, who previously made the decision to hold on to their powerful offices after discretions that would make even horndogs like Craig and Vitter blush.

  22. #264333
    On March 11th, 2008 at 3:23 pm, iowavette said:

    One of the hosts on Fox & Friends questioned Al Sharpton about the situation. Sharpton, of course, turned it around indicating he found it interesting that the Republicans were calling for the resignation even while conservative miscreants remained in office – or words to that effect. First, why in hell does Fox continue to validate this entirely morally and ethically bankrupt individual by inviting his comment? Tawana Brawley, anyone? Second, should a person of alleged faith actually be speaking for or against any particular political party? Third, who in the hell cares what Sharpton thinks about anything?

  23. #264338
    On March 11th, 2008 at 3:28 pm, BrianNY said:

    #108 Blame said:

    Just curious, when Spitzer resigns, and Paterson takes over, who takes over the Lt. Governor’ spot? Or does that position stay open?

    I’m no expert, but I believe I heard it reported that State Senate Majority leader, Joe Bruno (R) can assume the position if he so chooses.

    For the poli-sci junkies, Joe Bruno was the New Yorker who Governor Spitzer secretly ordered the NY State Police to follow and wiretap in order to discover any “travel-expense” irregularities.

    The State Ethics Committee (hand-picked by Governor Spitzer) gave the Governor a slap on the wrist for this “private matter.”

    Business as usual in a one party state like New York.

  24. #264342
    On March 11th, 2008 at 3:32 pm, BrianNY said:

    #110 iowavette said:

    Sharpton, of course, turned it around indicating he found it interesting that the Republicans were calling for the resignation even while conservative miscreants remained in office – or words to that effect.

    Hey Rusty! Small world! You should sue Sharpton for plagarism on this point!

  25. #264343
    On March 11th, 2008 at 3:33 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    #24, The only question is “will the demoncrats take care of the sacrifice and his family while he’s in jail, in the same way the mob would?”

    Are you kidding? One is a group of ruthless criminal thugs, who will stop at nothing to achieve their dirty, thieving murderous ends, and the other a group of Italian busnessmen…

    :)

  26. #264354
    On March 11th, 2008 at 3:41 pm, blacktygrrrr said:

    “I didn’t know if it was day or night. I started screwing everything in sight. Yet when stung by a cop it was the end of the line…I lost my career….Love Potion Client # 9.”

    My column today is entitled “Burn In Hell Eliot Spitzer.”

    Also, today is my one year anniversary of my blog, The Tygrrrr Express. I would like to thank Ms. Malkin because I have made friends on her site, and people from her site have visited mine.

    I am rereading “Unhinged” and enjoying it as much the second time around.

    Lastly, today is the anniversary of the Madrid bombings.

    Never forget.

    Respectfully,

    eric aka the Tygrrrr Express

  27. #264361
    On March 11th, 2008 at 3:57 pm, BrianNY said:

    It’s official. *Alan Dershowitz just declared that this case “smells to high heaven,” and that he knows because “he has defended many of these types of empty cases before.”

    *In the spirit of full openness, Governor Spitzer also happens to be a former student and empolyee of Alan Dershowitz.

    Dershowitz also advises that Governor Spitzer should just ignore these “vague” statutes and get back to working for the people of New York.

  28. #264363
    On March 11th, 2008 at 4:01 pm, One_American said:

    Is it any wonder why Spitzer has a legally-blind man as his Lt. Governor?

    All-too-convenient for Spitzer, to be sure!

  29. #264371
    On March 11th, 2008 at 4:13 pm, ezupirate75 said:

    I saw Dershowitz on TV last night & he said this was much ado over nothing. He is why we end up with lawyers with less ethics than a gutter snipe as he taught law at Harvard. I guess the hypocracy of Spitzer being involved in this while making claims to clean up NY escapes him.

  30. #264373
    On March 11th, 2008 at 4:15 pm, jsr said:

    Will Governor Spitzer Pull Out?

    Win-win situation. If he resigns he effectively admits guilt and brings humiliation to himself and Democrats, although they can’t be shamed. If he stays in he will not be offered a deal and will face prosecution and a dragged-out ordeal for himself and the Democrats. Even the MSM will not provide cover for him, although he may be rehabilitated later if he does the mandatory counseling and healing BS.

  31. #264375
    On March 11th, 2008 at 4:18 pm, mlnicosia said:

    Forget about Spitz – theres a civil war starting in L.A. and not enough heat on the story. The amnesty proponents like the mayor are getting caught in their tangled web.

    “I think what is particularly unnerving for all of us is just the random nature of these shootings,” Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa said last week.

  32. #264376
    On March 11th, 2008 at 4:19 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    He’ll resign right after Hugo Chavez resigns. Give up power when that’s what you live for? Hardly. Sometime after he’s indicted some thoughtful Dems will visit him in his office and lay out the path to reality…and he’ll go kicking and screaming and raging.

  33. #264379
    On March 11th, 2008 at 4:21 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    I saw Dershowitz on TV last night & he said this was much ado over nothing. … I guess the hypocracy of Spitzer being involved in this while making claims to clean up NY escapes him.

    ezupirate, these guys will all try and provide cover, but my guess is that if the Feds follow the money, there’s a lot more going on here than sex.

  34. #264383
    On March 11th, 2008 at 4:25 pm, txvet2 said:

    On March 11th, 2008 at 9:19 am, Rusty said:

    Maybe some good will come out of this and the dreadful Mann Act will be repealed. I bet over half the commenters here have violated it with no harm, no foul. It’s one of the last Jim Crow laws on the books and it needs to go.

    The Mann Act was written to end so-called “white slavery”, not to stop college boys from bringing their out-of-state girlfriends to frat parties, and as far as I know was used as intended. But you go right ahead and attack it. After all, even pimps need love.

    How are Senators Craig and Vitter doing anyways? Still legislating I see.

    They were strongly advised to resign, and will be toast come next election. Being a crook, a rapist, or a habitue of men’s rooms is a resume enhancement only for Democrats. However, it should be pointed out that Craig was only cited for a misdemeanor, hardly grounds for impeachment, and I just KNOW that you can’t possibly be a homophobe. You should be actively encouraging him to stay, like Franke and Studds.

  35. #264384
    On March 11th, 2008 at 4:27 pm, txvet2 said:

    Oh yeah, Rusty, and I think one of us doesn’t quite understand the term “Jim Crow”, and I don’t think it’s me.

  36. #264385
    On March 11th, 2008 at 4:27 pm, The Raging Republican said:

    “Number nine, Number nine, Number nine, Number nine, Number nine, Number nine….”

  37. #264386
    On March 11th, 2008 at 4:28 pm, The Raging Republican said:

    On March 11th, 2008 at 9:22 am, Rusty said:

    Speculation about the family strikes me as pretty out of bounds. We have no idea what they’re going through.

    Yes, but Bill and Hillary were unavailable for comment!

  38. #264388
    On March 11th, 2008 at 4:29 pm, reutersrutter said:

    Vote Democrat to continue the lowering of political standards. Or vote for a centrist republican without morals. If one of those is not acceptable there’s always Oprah you freaking dinks!

  39. #264391
    On March 11th, 2008 at 4:34 pm, The Raging Republican said:

    On March 11th, 2008 at 10:43 am, Rusty said:

    Tort reform will ruin the judicial system.

    The punitive damages should go to charity. Someone should not get to live like they won the lottery for the rest of their lives just because they spilled coffee on themselves – Do you see how I didn’t even have to say “hot coffee”, we all know that coffee is hot. We have come to a point where lawsuits are out of control, and there has to be some kind of reform.

  40. #264393
    On March 11th, 2008 at 4:35 pm, Paul-Cincy said:

    We had a similar situation in my town. I remember a Democratic city council member who was forced to resign when caught red-handed patronizing a prostitute in 1974. He ran again the next year and was elected mayor! Later he became the highest rated TV news anchor in the local market. He’s doing pretty well now, although he’s either run for or tested the waters for every high profile stated-wide office there is (congressman, senator, governor) and never quite made the grade. His name is Jerry Springer. Like Spitzer, he’s endorsed Hillary for president.

  41. #264396
    On March 11th, 2008 at 4:43 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    I pitty his wife. Can you imagine standing in line and hearing:

    Now serving number nine.

    UGH

  42. #264401
    On March 11th, 2008 at 4:54 pm, ezupirate75 said:

    If the NY Post report is correct he was hanging out with the girls while he was busting other operations for doing the same. The hypocracy is Olympic Gold Medal worthy. I suspect if the Feds. continue to follow the money he will be toast. I almost hope he doesn’t resign so we can continue to have fun at his expense. As to the wife, if the report that she counseled against his resignation is true, I have no pity for her. The daughters deserve a set of parents that actually have morals.

  43. #264404
    On March 11th, 2008 at 5:01 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    I suspect if the Feds. continue to follow the money he will be toast.

    …again, he will get a pass like William “The Freezer” Jefferson who froze $90k of the Feds money. Still in office and will get re-elected as well. It is the “Power of the (D)”.

    I think I will copy write that phrase.

  44. #264405
    On March 11th, 2008 at 5:03 pm, graysonret said:

    Brian, it isn’t because I live in a “vacuum”. Hardly…being here everyday in this blog. I understand your point. It’s just when you have to listen (and the tv is on from 6:30am at work) to MSM (usually NBC) for 2 1/2 hours…of nothing but Spitzer, you wonder if anything at all, happened in the world besides that. I mentioned to a co-worker about someone waking up, turning on the news, somewhere out in Colorado, and being “barraged” with nothing else but Spitzer. That person probably is more interested in what is happening around him/her. I could just see the news if something serious happened. “Good morning, in the headlines today, Bush is dead, the Capitol has been bombed, Congressmen are dead…..but first!! We have a series of special reports from socialogists, psycharists, and columnists on Spitzer’s possible resignation!” Of course, I’m being sarcastic, but, if you ever watched the MSM morning news, you’ll understand. Heck, my wife,right now, is listening to Sean…you guessed it! It’s a news feeding frenzy! Well, at least it’s a democrat, this time. I have noticed that the news is “mum” on Rep. Jefferson. You have to look far and wide to get any info about him. Not, not in a vacuum, Brian, just wondering if the MSM is thinking this incident is something unusual. It isn’t. Spitzer, handle it like Alexander Hamilton…or perhaps, too late now, like Jefferson did.

  45. #264406
    On March 11th, 2008 at 5:06 pm, Ombre Rose said:

    On March 11th, 2008 at 4:15 pm, jsr said:

    When have we seen the Dim Party tottering on the ropes and the GOP not find SOMEONE who will give them cover and prop them back up?

    Like Fred Thompson did TWICE for the Clintons – ONCE IN THIS IDENTICAL SITUATION?

    As McCain just did to Boeing, for the sake of AIRBUS? As he has done to other American defense contractors, before!

    As if a new, clean party couldn’t “possibly” rise from the ashes.

    Seems strategically placed GOP leadership doesn’t want anything SERIOUS to happen to the Dims.

  46. #264407
    On March 11th, 2008 at 5:08 pm, Rusty said:

    The Mann Act was written to end so-called “white slavery”, not to stop college boys from bringing their out-of-state girlfriends to frat parties, and as far as I know was used as intended. But you go right ahead and attack it. After all, even pimps need love.

    Finally!

    The Mann Act doesn’t just apply to prostitution. It applies to extramarital sex. Ever taken a girlfriend across state lines on vacation and have sex with her? You have just violated the Mann Act!

    Of course, those cases rarely get prosecuted. But a black man taking a white woman across state lines? Well, that’s a whole ‘nother story. One legendary black boxer, Jack Johnson, was charged with violating the Mann Act for sending his white girlfriend a train ticket.

    And the letter of the law sent him to jail for a year. For doing nothing wrong.

    At the very least the Act needs to be amended to only deal with prostitution and not to extramarital sex.

  47. #264413
    On March 11th, 2008 at 5:19 pm, Rusty said:

    Um, nevermind. From NPR:

    A 1986 amendment further protected minors and replaced “debauchery” and “any other immoral purpose” with “any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense.

    Now that sodomy is legal, I guess this is alright.

  48. #264414
    On March 11th, 2008 at 5:23 pm, Ombre Rose said:

    On March 11th, 2008 at 3:23 pm, iowavette said:

    Don’t forget – Al Sharpton once incited a riot which caused a black neighborhood to go destroying some white businesses in their own neighborhood, and one of them, they killed the owner who was trying to defend it, and then burned it down over him – after they had suffici ently looted it. Sharpton was convicted in a civil court and fined heavily to be paid tothe family – AND HE NEVER PAID THEM THE SETTLEMENT.

    A number of years ago, when Sharpton was defending some other scumbag on Fox News, Sean Hannity asked him about all that, and he admitted it.

    It has never been announced since then that he ever paid the settlement, yet Fox News keeps him on as a contributor to speak to the ethics of a variety of Dim stunts.

    Sort of like asking the Fox about the Weasel in the Hen House.

    And they seldom refresh the viewers’ memories about all of Sharpton’s own portfolio of “questionable” conduct when they do so – and always calling him “Reverend”.

  49. #264420
    On March 11th, 2008 at 5:36 pm, Ombre Rose said:

    On March 11th, 2008 at 1:04 pm, Rusty said:
    Again, how some of you can pretend to know what’s going on with Governor Spitzer’s family is beyond me.

    Sometimes we have way too much experience due to family members or friends – and we see the classic signs, and after a few decades of later finding out the details…

    It’s a lot easier than you think – and those of us who do it in these situations have had our radar thoroughly tested. It isn’t judging, it is like the moms who know the difference between Measles and Chicken Pox at first glance.
    And unfortunately, broken relationships are the plague of this day, just as chicken pox was when I was a child – back when healthy relationships were common.

    I hate to tell you this, but we know the signs of practice with humiliating situations, such as how she looked and the expressions she wore in that news conference yesterday.

    Go watch Humphrey Bogart’s “To Have and Have Not” – the scene where he and Lauren Bacall get taken to the police station after a murder they witnessed, and one of the men slaps Bacall – later, Bogie tells her something he thinks of her and she asks what makes you think THAT. He tells her he knows it takes a lot of practice to take [a hard slap] and not flinch.

    We are all human, and while you CANNOT “pigeon-hole” people – there are only so many ways to react to a limited set of situations – and only so many ways to register each of those different reactions.

    So climb down off your high horse.

    We all know what we saw. And it has been played over and over and over.

    If you haven’t got the skills to read it, then you haven’t got the skills to have any personal relationships.

    I.e., how you gonna figure out if your girlfriend or wife even likes the presents you buy her? And if you don’t know THAT…

  50. #264433
    On March 11th, 2008 at 6:02 pm, Straight_Talk_Luigi said:

    Hey Rusty!

    Guess what? Prostitution isn’t a family-oriented activity, ok? The whole secular progressive ideology of do whatever you want sexually doesn’t work! It’s selfish and ultimately contributes to the collapse of the West!

  51. #264437
    On March 11th, 2008 at 6:16 pm, Varilux said:

    Everything else aside because I believe it’s already been said—the most unsettling aspect for me is that he is the father of 3 girls. What are they just props? For Pete’s sake.

    I’m sure we all remember in ’04 that whole “Dear Red States” thing that made the interwebs circuit? Spitzer’s name is immortalized in it. Deliciously ironic. /shrug

  52. #264445
    On March 11th, 2008 at 6:38 pm, txvet2 said:

    On March 11th, 2008 at 5:08 pm, Rusty said:

    The Mann Act doesn’t just apply to prostitution. It applies to extramarital sex. Ever taken a girlfriend across state lines on vacation and have sex with her? You have just violated the Mann Act!

    As I noted in my example. Once again, the targets of the law were those who tranported women across state lines for the purpose of prostitution. While transporting your girlfriend across state lines was (and I guess still is) a technical violation of the law, it was never within the intent. Spitzer transported a woman for the purpose of prostitution. In addition, he did this during the alleged commission of a variety of other crimes. It appears, in addition to his Mann Act violation, that he also misused state funds and state employees. Of course, being a Democrat, that merely qualifies him as a presidential candidate. On the bright side, however, his wife is now fully qualified to be a US Senator.

  53. #264465
    On March 11th, 2008 at 7:44 pm, BrianNY said:

    #132 graysonret said:

    Brian, it isn’t because I live in a “vacuum”

    ? I think you meant to address #96 Ombre Rose on this point.

  54. #264481
    On March 11th, 2008 at 8:34 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Interesting deal making here. When Spitzer was a prosecutor, he threw the book at everyone he came in contact with. Why should he get any breaks?

    Sorry, but…he broke the law, and there shouldn’t be any handslapping here to save his “law license”.

  55. #264482
    On March 11th, 2008 at 8:35 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    He is working on a deal before he resigns?

    hell.freezing.over???

    Is part of that “deal” the VP seat?

    I still am going to wait and see. Even if he announces he will, I will wait for moving trucks to believe it.

  56. #264490
    On March 11th, 2008 at 9:01 pm, DubiousD said:

    Meanwhile, an aide to Deval Patrick (D) just got arrested in Florida for sexually assaulting a 15 year old boy.

    Key Aide to Patrick Accused of Sex Assault

  57. #264502
    On March 11th, 2008 at 9:25 pm, Mixer14 said:

    Number 9

    Number 9

    Number 9

    Number 9

    Played backwards

    Turn me on dead Gov

    Turn me on dead Gov

    Turn me on dead Gov

    Turn me on dead Gov

  58. #264514
    On March 11th, 2008 at 9:43 pm, almeehan said:

    NY Post quoted “a leading Democrat leader” felt he should serve out his three years. “If the public is ok with it he should stay.” Ah the smell of liberalism. A Change that is hard to believe in!

  59. #264601
    On March 12th, 2008 at 1:13 am, Bhishma said:

    On March 11th, 2008 at 1:04 pm, Rusty said:
    Again, how some of you can pretend to know what’s going on with Governor Spitzer’s family is beyond me.

    Isn’t this the same Governer who wanted to unleash illegal rapists and murderers onto NY City? At this point, I don’t care if an illegal hits him after raping his daughters. I don’t care for this corrupt cheat or his family’s rights any more.
    Yea! Go ahead.. delete my post!

  60. #264602
    On March 12th, 2008 at 1:14 am, cabrerski said:

    To Bill Clinton, Eliot Spitzer, Larry Craig, David Vitter, James McGreevey, and all those who preceded you, I would like to remind you of a pertinent quote:

    “Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don’t mean to do harm– but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves”.

    – T. S. ELiot

    Go practice your narcissism elsewhere as we have little patience left.

  61. #264641
    On March 12th, 2008 at 5:32 am, Ombre Rose said:

    On March 12th, 2008 at 1:14 am, cabrerski said:

    Excellent! Mega Dittos.

  62. #264646
    On March 12th, 2008 at 5:47 am, graysonret said:

    With the lowering of values and morals in this country, is it any wonder that politicians reflect this? This idiot was supposed to be groomed for U.S. Attorney General…or possibly on a Presidental ticket eventually. Well, that’s gone. These people believe in the politicians’ creed: “Me first, party second, country third”. Resignation or impeachment…get it done. Then prosecute him for criminal charges. The sad part is other office holders will continue with their illegal activities, figuring they won’t be caught either. Hello, Clinton!

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