AG Mukasey doesn’t think we should execute any of the Gitmo detainees?
Wait’ll the Gitmo Lawyers get on this:
U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey said Friday he hopes the men charged with participating in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks aren’t executed if found guilty in order to avoid creating any martyrs.Mukasey said many terrorists want to be martyrs and that by sentencing them to death, U.S. authorities risk granting that wish. …
That’s…actually a risk I’m willing to take.
Mukasey said, however, that the punishment would be fitting if the accused are executed.
Mukasey won’t be making the decision, though. It’s up to the DoD.
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I see a good pay per view event in this. Let’s make some money for the families that suffered on 9-11 and charge…oh $55 for each event? Anybody willing to pay to watch these punks bite it? For an added bonus, we can have cameras trained on all the liberal terrorist lovers that would be out there protesting.
martyrs? lol, no-one even cares about them or their “status” whatsoever.
Quick name 3 martyrs…..
times up.
Try em and fry the sick ruthless scumbags, NOW.
there are so many martyrs anymore, what’s another few thousand?
I say castrate them first, then execute them - that way they can’t enjoy any of these so-called virgins supposedly awaiting their demise.
If martyrdom is what the Gitmo detainees want, who are the screaming liberal throngs to deny them their wish if the DoD rules that execution is the sentence?
This is disturbing because it assigns motive to people. Whether they (the charged terrorist) or thier supporters think one thing, or another, is immaterial.
No decision made should be elected based on what others think, or believe. Should you believe a course of action is in your best interest, then do so. No, do not entirely dismiss what others think, but let them know you understand they have opinions.
If you must do something unilaterally, and it is in your best interest, then do so.
I think you’re on to something there. How about covering them with pig’s blood too?
If you believe that they would become martyrs then I guess you could argue that.You could use that argument to stop fighting for fear of martyring them as they were running at you with a bomb vest on. Everyone becomes an expert on theology two seconds after they die.
There is a fine line regarding execution. Are we creating martyrs or putting the fear of God into the radical Islamic world. Frankly, we should have had tribunals and executions years ago.
Oh, I forgot one thing. Pour pigs blood on the bodies before burial. The message is that compassion is reserved for those who deserve compassion and not for those who never show it.
Either that or stuff a pork chop in their mouth.
What’s that old Benny Hill Line? “My wife has a black belt in Cooking, one pork chop will kill ya”
Don’t execute them, even though they deserve to pay that price for their crimes against humanity, because we might make martyrs out of them. Don’t kill them on the battlefield so we don’t make other Islamic-facists mad at us. Don’t spy on their communications as that would invade their privacy. Don’t pour water on their faces and cause them to wet themselves and tell us who they, the unlawful combatants, plan to murder next because that might scare them.
Pardon me, Mukasey and others sounding off with all that crap are a$$hats.
Executing any of these people would be a public relations fiasco for America. Most of the developed world considers capital punishment barbaric. Almost nobody in the world thinks these people will get fair trials. If you love America, you will oppose the executions.
LGM, Don’t you have an abortion to go to?
lgm
You are a freaking idiot. Public relations be damned.
They deserve to died for their crime. I know you don’t remember but I remember all too well. And do not even try to lecture me about revenge for it is called retribution.
Lets don’t execute them then. We should just take them about a thousand miles out to see and dump them out. If they swim out punishment over. If they drown, it’s their fault.
That should have been a thousand miles out to sea.
Why does lgm think I care what the world thinks. These are evil people and evil people need to be destroyed. Screw the opinion of the world.
I like the idea of castrating them first. That would probably stop the martyrs too. They’d have to think twice…….hilarious.
totally obsurd.
if your some kind of teacher I’m julius Ceasar.
Personally, I prefer execution. And forget the pork chops and pig’s blood. Clerics have issued statements over the years, that it won’t affect their martyrdom or access to “heaven”. Yes, there will be a backlash, and I’m sure the MSM will be all over the stories, but such things pass quickly as new issues come to light. In other words, they will be quickly forgotten. Like Spitzer, 1 month from now, everyone will be saying, “Who?” There will be a lot of saber rattling and chest pounding, to impress their public, but it will pass quickly. The lasting impression will be…don’t come here unless you want the needle.
I didnt know HUA was contagious.
Executions are too quick and simple. These creatures deserve a little more than expediency at death.
Hail Caesar!
Sorry, ajmontana I couldn’t resist!
The people responsible for 9/11 are guilty of almost 3,000 counts of Murder One. Personally I would love every one of them to get the Saddam Hussein treatment with a noose made of pig skin. Then we should put in a pig skin sack and feed the sharks just off shore of Gitmo. Sharks have to eat too! A pay per-view event would be an excellent way to raise funds for the victim’s families.
It explains why the DOJ isn’t going after the seditious traitors in the MSM, Code Pink, and other groups. No wonder it is open season on our military recruiters. Mukasey needs to resign and allow someone with the intestinal fortitude to put these mad dogs down. Muslim’s respect strength all you will do by showing mercy is show them how weak and soft Western Civilization has become and encourage more aggression. Except for lgm and Rusty I am probably preaching to the choir, but it does make me feel a little better to rant instead of hold it in. As Dennis Miller has said many times “some times you have to thin the herd.”
LGM is right that the execution of these people would be a PR fiasco within the international community.
I, like many of you, could care less what other countries think when it comes to prosecuting people who have murdered civilian Americans.
However, that doesn’t make capital punishment acceptable. The risk of killing an innocent person is to great. And if that were to happen, we wouldn’t be much better than they are.
America should prove itself better than the countries that despise what we stand for. We should not stand for torture or capital punishment. Those evils are not necessary for either American justice or The War on Terror.
Wanting revenge isn’t a good enough reason to take someone’s life.
And with the “execution should hurt more” and with the wishes to humiliate the terrorists with pork products or castrate them.
People who support that nonsense are not better than the evil terrorists we fight against. Period.
If the USA did everything Europe wanted, I suspect we wouldnt even be here on this continent, much less having this conversation at all.
Come to think of it, how many nations in the world, apart from Europe, that the demand USA abolish capital punishment do themselves also have no death penalty?
Russia? LOL.
China? LOLZ.
Iran? ROFLZ.
Yes Rusty and the police should leave the guns at the station when they go out on patrol. After all, they might shoot someone who is carrying an empty gun and only trying to scare people.
I’ve got to agree with the AG here. Though we sure shouldn’t release them, we shouldn’t start executing on the basis of military tribunals. Yes, I know we’ve done so, for our own soldiers, in wars past, but there was a need to mete out swift justice then. That need isn’t quite the same, here.
*reads*
Wait, 9/11 conspirators? Hanging’s too good for them. I’m all for the pig-skin approach there.
Boomer is right. The only language these people understand is ruthlessness, trying to deal with them on western terms is futile. If that pees off the rest of the world, so what. Let them sit and pee in their pants while America deals with the problem and gets it fixed.
Want to send a message? Push them out of a plane 15,000 feet over Baghdad and over the terrorist-infested mountain regions of Afghanistan ..after castrating them, of course.
“It’s raining terrorists, hallelujah!”
Rusty, if a terrorist was holding a knife to your throat getting ready to cut your head off, and I was standing 5 feet away with a gun pointed at his head, would you want me to pull the trigger? And if, Yes, who would you want me to shoot?
and Rusty, normally I would agree with you, but these are people not of American culture, and they should be dealt with in a way that their culture understands - doing it in the ‘American’ way would only honor them in martyrdom and encourage them to more acts of terrorism. imho.
Executing them is tempting of course, but they just don’t suffer enough that way… besides they would probably consider it an honor.
I remember after the Iraq/Iran war there was a great article (wish I could remember where) about all the boys from Iran who lost a leg being used as a human mine detector (remember the plastic “keys to paradise” they were issued?)
They were outcasts who were “judged unworthy of martyrdom” because they were not killed, only maimed & crippled… they live in shame because they are failures.
No, better to let them rot while reminding them everyday that they are unworthy failures who when they had the chance allowed themselves to be captured rather than martyred…
Remind them everyday, & let them rot.
How’s that for mean-spirted? LOL
Chickaboomer is in D.C. we have someone on the inside
http://chickaboomer.blogspot.com/2008/03/radio-wreckers.html
brooklyn red#36
Sounds good. However, giving killers a reprieve carries with it the risk that a liberal judge or SCOTUS will come along in the future and release all of them with an apology and reparations. The way things are going it’s not a stretch.
I wouldn’t execute them; rather they should have their Korans taken away and be given a diet of “food loaf” and be kept somewhere they can’t determine the correct direction to pray.
How many “terrorists” are we talking about here anyway who would be elegible for a death penalty?
If these military commissions are kangaroo courts with pre-determined verdicts, any death sentences carried out would reduce us to their level.
Rather than Gitmo, there should have been an old heavy cruiser or aircraft carrier converted to a prison ship and anchored in the Indian Ocean.
SCUOTS can rule it, true… can they enforce it?
SCOTUS, I mean… sorry I went to public school in NY.
i’m most always amused at the stooopid remarks by lgm(proferssor?), Rusty and the meathead(sausage)…they are serious kool aide drinkers.
I personally could care less what the rest of the world thinks about the U.S. it’s about time the U.S. started thinking about the U.S. 1st and to hell with the rest.
If there’s a shortage of executioners, I’m retired and have plenty of time and would look forward to helping the military out.
But it’s a start!
In reality, I say let them go in their home countries…………from 10,000 feet with no parachute.
Maybe we should be more culturally sensitive…stone ‘em.
Rusty and lgm know quite well that their fellow socialist stooges in Europe will never like us, no matter what we do, unless we become just like them - and follow them into dhimmitude. Their good opinion isn’t worth a bucket of warm spit. The only opinions that count are those of the other Muslim terrorists still out there and they won’t ever like us. It is enough that they fear and respect our power. We need execution via the preferred Muslim method for the Guantanamo murderers - beheading with a dull knife.
If LGM and his ilk care so much about the opinions of the Euroweenies and UN, why don’t they move there? I get so sick of hearing about Europe’s opinions. They have no problem with abortions or the extermination of six million Jews and no doubt would not shed a tear if Iran obliterated Israel. Imagine a world under Obambi or sHrillary where a US city was nuked. The evil Bushitler will be to blame and too many innocent Bluestaters dead if its SF or NYC, when the moonbats actually support dhimmitude and political correctness aimed at Islam.
From what I’ve seen Kukasey is top notch.
He’s very conservative and no push over.
I respect and understand his opinion. I guess this is heart vs brain. My heart says hang em slowly by their you know what, but my brain understands what Kukasey is saying. I’m just glad I don’t have to make the decision.
LGM and Rusty ,, when the Muslims murder innocents it never is a public relations diaster for them at all. Its a one day story and they then celebrate what they have done. I have a great idea we could release the Gitmo guys into LGM’s neighborhood and then LGM could give them the love and kindness to them as he always wanted too.
Convert them to Christianity and then execute.
I have concerns of a more pragmatic nature. If we do not execute the most culpable of the terrorists at Gitmo, what happens if some of our soldiers are captured and held for ransom? Do we act like Israel and trade dozens of convicted terrorists for a few of our soldiers? (Israel once traded 1150 prisoners for 3 kidnaped Israeli soldiers.) The more high-valued terrorists we keep alive, the greater the effort will be by our enemies to kidnap soldiers or other US citizens to be held for ransom. In other words, keeping high-profile terrorists alive puts our people at greater risk.
Another reason to execute the more dangerous of the lot is to prevent some judge or future president from releasing them. If a future president is predisposed to negotiate for peace, he/she may use our prisoners as bargaining tools. Does anyone believe that certain candidates for president would not release Gitmo prisoners in exchange for hollow promises for peace?
The terrorists have won.
Fin
Once they’re executed they can’t kill again!
What Mukasy wants is irrelevant and immaterial. What the terrorists deserve is the only measure of what their punishment should be.
On March 14th, 2008 at 8:26 pm, flmom said:
You’re right.
They were conditioned to understand punishment and retaliation in its most severest terms.
Holding their hands while attempting to “convince them of the error of their ways” is only seen as weakness on the part of the West, and does nothing to disabuse them of their intent to destroy us.
On March 14th, 2008 at 8:13 pm, Rusty said:
As someone who trusts our military emphatically, I highly doubt any of Guantanamo’s detainees were ever “innocent.”
But in the off-chance that an innocent captive did enter the gates of Guantanamo, after six years of confinement with those terrorist thugs, an innocent will not exit!
Mukasey needs to re-examine his position, and the DoD needs to do the right thing.
flmom said (#32):
Why not us act in a civilized way and teach these guys a new language.
garyt said (#48):
So you want to be just like them?
And I object to “Muslims murder innocents”. How about calling your solution to illegal immigration “mass deportation of Christians”. Some bad guys are Muslim, others are Christian.
DBNinKY said (#55):
Actually, many already have been found innocent and released. Are you saying that if the military says someone is guilty, they don’t need a fair trial? If so, you hate America.
Unfortunately. And here are the results:
From CBSNEWS.com:
To your question:
Pretty much! If the person(s) in question is captured on the battlefield fighting against the U.S. military, and is not an American citizen, then I think it’s safe to say that person is more than likely the enemy and in a world of trouble.
You second statement:
Oh no! To the contrary! Even though she likes to sometimes hang around with a few wrong-headed liberals, I still love her with all my heart.
I would say, put them in solitary confinement, with a steady diet of pork , and have rock-n-roll blaring into their cells,with dirty movies projected onto their cell walls, and watch them go nuts; but these pricks are already nuts. Fry the bastards!
Yes, that’s right…take no prisoners in the first place! If some are taken, glean as much info from them as possible, then lobotomize them. They can then be safely returned to their “loving” relatives for TLC.
No wait, that won’t work…they use mentally impaired citizens as human bombs…back to my first inclination…take no prisoners.
LGM,, I am confused and what Christians are being deported????? I do not want to be like the Muslims but if you execute them they will not come back and destroy your family or city. Once dead they can’t do their dirty work again. No it doesn’t breed more terrorists, and I think being soft on them breeds more. Excecuting a proven murderous terrorist is lot different then they are when they kill innocent civilans. Love to hear your comment.
DBNinKY said (#57):
I don’t completely agree. America is more than a place or the people who live here. It is ideas — freedom, justice, equality. Executing people without a fair trial is unamerican. If you love the idea part of America, you will oppose it.
garyt said (#60):
Mexicans. Illegal immigrants — almost all Catholic.
@ NHMagenta #39:
I’m intrigued by that.
Lessee, stick em in a large domed enclosure never to see the unfiltered light of day again or open air. Embed glass fibers as skylight portals, but channeled and shuttered in the revolvable dome so that every day, East appears in a different place of the central “dayroom”.
Feed them unclean foods disguised as acceptable. And the list of possibilities go on. At least the world can’t condemn us for executing them.
On second thot, nah. The longer they’re left alive, the sooner some bleeding heart will release them in a fit of compassion and self-loathing. Off with their heads. As the koran sates, eye for eye…
@ garyt #60:
Ah, yes, those folks. And where does it say in the Good Book that they can invade a country and scoff its God-ordained laws? Where does it say in the Good Book that they can masquerade as legal citizens by any means necessary, to include faking/stealing IDs, helping themselves to social services intended for rightful citizens? Need I go on? Doing wrong based on weak notions of social justice is plainly wrong. Better they channel their energies into reforming the politics of Mexico itself.
Oops, that should have been lgm @ #61
I’m curious if LGM or Rusty have examples of terror leaders that started preaching peace and compassion after captured terrorists were shown compassion? The statistics do lean heavily in the other direction in that 100% of executed terrorists fail to kill again.
Fixed it for you. They’re also in the process of of banning life sentences, too. You care what they think, I don’t. They’d be headed for extinction even without Militant Islam, they’ve created a society that can’t be bothered to maintain itself. I wont miss them.
On March 16th, 2008 at 3:40 pm, lgm said:
Because we did that during the Clinton administration, and look where it got us.
Yes, but these ideals do not extend to non-citizens - the U.S. Constitution is not a world document!
Executing terrorist thugs captured on the battlefield and found guilty by a military tribunal, ensures there are Americans left alive to hold these types of discussions.
Wpuld someone care to remind me when we became a PR firm? I don’t seem to remember anywhere in the Constitution where there is a clause that says, “…so ling as we don’t look bad on the World Stage and don’t make anyone angry…”
I also don’t see any of these Islamic countries or Imams or Mosque Rats going around telling their people, “We should not go out and burn the American flag, burn those effigies, march out in the streets, hold up those signs calling for the deaths of thousands of innocent men, women and children, the destruction of Israel, America, Christianity, Judaism and others. It might just be bad P.R. as well as make America and Israel or Denmark angry at us”. or “Gee Mustaffa and Azziz…maybe we should not rape those women, and then blow up that schoold full of children along with ourselves. That might just give our religion a bad connotation in the World Stage as well as make people angry at us. Is this really the image we wish to portray? After all, sure, these are all Infidels and such, but if we cut off their heads with these dull blades, video tape the event to where you can hear them gurgling and screaming their last breaths on this earth, then put the video up onto the Internet for their families to witness, a truely heartless thing to do…how is that going to make us look?”
No, you just don’t see that happening, now do you? But leave it to Rusty, lgm and the other morons on the Left that troll around here to worry more about image over substance. “If you love your country you will blah blah blah…” Just what the HELL kind of nonsense is THAT?I swear lgm doesn’t even read his own rantings, because if they were to even make sense to him, I would be frightened.
I say fry these bastards. Bring back the firing squads. Put it o TV and do the Pay-Per-View event with all the proceeds going towards air conditioners for our troops in Iraq, or for their families or something worthwhile as that. Don’t just put the video on YouTube, let’s actually do something with it and make some money out of it that can benefit our men and women in uniform, as well as show those bastards that we mean business…
and televise the dipping of the bullets into the pigs blood just before the shooting as well.
Oops…no 72 virgins for Mohammed tonight.