Jeremiah-gate: Glowbama’s losing his glow Update: Report: Obama nodded in agreement last summer
Update: Via The Autonomist…
Wright laced into America’s establishment, blaming the “white arrogance” of America’s Caucasian majority for the woes of the world, especially the oppression suffered by blacks. To underscore the point he refers to the country as the “United States of White America.” Many in the congregation, including Obama, nodded in apparent agreement as these statements were made.
Maybe Obama will argue that he was nodding off to sleep and didn’t hear.
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I’ve been tied up on a business trip (thank you to See-Dubya for guest-blogging this afternoon and evening!) and just caught the re-run of Major Garrett’s interview with Barack Obama on Hannity and Colmes.
Wow. You could see Glowbama’s halo flickering. He looked and sounded nervous, shifty, and truth-challenged as he tried to have it both ways with Jeremiah Wright (whom he continued to praise as a “Biblical scholar” and “well-regarded” even as he paid lip service to disavowing him and denied eeeever hearing Wright’s vitriol).
In other words, he looked like a typical politician.
As expected, Obama’s defenders have whipped out the moral equivalence card. Sister Toldjah puts the m.e. card through the shredder and adds:
By the way, I’m calling Barack Obama out on the outrageous lie he told today about not being present in Wright’s church when he made the offensive hateful remarks that have been circulating in the news media this week. As I said earlier, this is like Al Gore’s “iced tea” defense – and similar Bill Clinton’s stupid claim that he “didn’t inhale” a joint when he had one in his mouth. There is absolutely no way in you know where that in his 20 year association/mentorship/friendship with Rev. Wright that he never heard any of Wright’s controversial sermons. BO remarked tonight that had he heard any of them, he would have stood up and told Wright that what he was saying was “unacceptable” and went on to say that had he detected a “pattern” with Rev. Wright’s hateful sermons, he would have left the church. GMADB! He knew. He’s pulling the same ol ‘okey doke’ (see definition 3) that he slams “Washington insiders” for doing.
Obama’s minimization strategy–implying that Wright’s diatribes were cherry-picked rarities out of hundreds and hundreds of sermons–also failed miserably. “Black liberation theology” (with all its attendant anti-American pathologies) is Jeremiah Wright’s bread and butter. Wright knows it. His congregation knows it. Obama knows it.
And now, for whatever reason this story finally broke into the MSM after buzzing on blogs and talk radio for nearly a year, the rest of America knows it, too.
Hillary Clinton is a happy, happy woman tonight.
(Photoshop credit: Pete at iHillary)
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Reader Ken e-mails:
It struck me how much the song “Losing my Religion” is appropriate for Obama:
That’s me in the spotlight
Losing my religionOh no I’ve said too much
I havent said enoughOf every waking hour I’m
Choosing my confessionsThe hint of the century
The slip that brought me
To my knees failed
David Bernstein at The Volokh Conspiracy quotes from an article in the Christian Century on Trinity Church:
There is no denying, however, that a strand of radical black political theology influences Trinity. James Cone, the pioneer of black liberation theology, is a much-admired figure at Trinity. Cone told me that when he’s asked where his theology is institutionally embodied, he always mentions Trinity. Cone’s groundbreaking 1969 book Black Theology and Black Power announced: “The time has come for white America to be silent and listen to black people…. All white men are responsible for white oppression…. Theologically, Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man ‘the devil.’ … Any advice from whites to blacks on how to deal with white oppression is automatically under suspicion as a clever device to further enslavement.” Contending that the structures of a still-racist society need to be dismantled, Cone is impatient with claims that the race situation in America has improved. In a 2004 essay he wrote, “Black suffering is getting worse, not better…. White supremacy is so clever and evasive that we can hardly name it. It claims not to exist, even though black people are dying daily from its poison” (in Living Stones in the Household of God).
Wright agrees. When I asked him whether white Americans are right to maintain that the racial situation has improved since the days when Africentric Christianity was born, Wright pointed to the racist remarks by radio host Don Imus: “And you say things have improved?”
Echoes of Michelle Obama.
Or vice versa.
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More:
Obama’s statement on HuffPo.
Newsbusters exposes how the MSM bungled the story and is reminded of 2004:
Why, this late in the primary season, are we still discovering that they haven’t asked any of the hard questions? We are starting to see the same disturbing pattern we saw with John Kerry in 2004. The media didn’t see its job as vetting John Kerry as he told everyone he was the bravest of war heroes. When the men who fought with him on the swift boats told a different story, the media tried to ignore them.
The media was saying “print the legend,” and suggested that when opponents try to vet the Democrat, when they try to do the job a supine media blatantly failed to do, it was then the media’s job to vet the opponents and question their sincerity, not vet the Democrat.
The news media doesn’t see its job as informing the electorate. They see their job as getting the Democrat past the electorate.
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It was a black guy who’s still on this segment. I’m embarrassed. I’m following the “all blacks look like” stereotype. But they didn’t show his name, and I’d never seen him before.
Simple question for Barrack:
Yes, googled Kelly Wright and it’s him. Thanks.
Based on an article in the New York Times dated April 30, 2007, Obama was fully aware at least a year ago of the vile rhetoric of his erstwhile spiritual advisor.
In fact, Wright himself told the reporter about a conversation he and Obama had on that very topic:
At least he remembered to both “denounce” and “reject” Wright’s comments.
Well, what a convenient little story we have shaping up here! A few soundbites from the Angry Black Church, a wife who hates America, and of course the secret Muslim who refuses to wear an American flag lapel pin. Eureka – you’ve finally found it!
Silly me, I always thought patriotism in America was supposed to be about freedom – speech, expression, religion, all the good stuff – and not just a blind allegiance to the all authoritative government-knows-best. I guess I got my high school civics class all wrong. Well, then again, I was educated in public school.
And of course, let’s never, ever question the patriotism of people who see nothing wrong with sending 4,000 young Americans to their death for a war built on cherry-picked intelligence and the naive assumption that people who have never known freedom would have the slightest clue what to do with it when it was forced upon them. No, that would just be silly.
And yet, despite all this, and despite the fact that your boy Patraus just acknowledged your war is a disastrous failure, “Glowbama” somehow continues to surge in popularity. Isn’t that just crazy?
Obama’s record:
Supports Jeremiah Wright’s church : http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8JHRKAO2&show_article=1
Supports illegal immigration: http://rwor.org/a/058/arellano-en.html
Guess what “change” this traitor will bring.
huggybear#89,
Nice try.
Feeble effort.
Hopefully, the MSM have learned something from the Spitzer fiasco, wherein they not only gave him a get-out-of-jail-free card in refusing to scrutinize his record as attorney general when he was running for governor, but actively banged the drum on his bandwagon.
Bus now, Americansshould know that Bush was in Wahhabbi pockets even before he was “elected”. Even his father was in wahhabbi pockets, so why not dubya? Since it worke din his father’s presidency. dubya made the most of it selling out USA to wahhabbis fr every petro-dollar the Bush family could pocket. Remember Bush:
- Stalled 9/11 commission.
- Blackened pages on Saudi from 9/11 commission interim report.
- Increased student’s visas for wahhabbis.
- Approved “aid” to oil-rich Saudi Arabia.
.. and you are surprised Bush called 9/11 hijackers “lured kids”. Which world are you living in?
Paul-Cincy, we’ve got a lot of history “experts” on the air, every day. The last time they sat down to a history book, was probably in college or high school, but they feel they are “experts”, based on their assumptions of fact derived from other opinions and assumptions of fact, that is totally biased. I wonder if these “black historians” can answer one simple question… Who was a big advocate for emancipation in Virginia,and kept introducing bills to free slaves, enough so, that his fellows thought he was a “dangerous radical”? I bet Wright, Sharpton, Jackson or Obama couldn’t answer. Thomas Jefferson.
Who’s feeble?
Three things about this whole story.
Obama doesn’t tithe like he is supposed to (I’m glad, it would have meant $70K-some more to that church).
The second; I’ve attended a black church – our neighbor across the street was its pastor. Nice man – there was some Bush-bashing in his message, but not much. I don’t know whether he toned it down because my family and I were there or not. I hope not.
Third, a Christian church’s job is to point people to Christ. Period. It isn’t to talk politics out of the pulpit.
I fear there are many more churches like this one out there.
Got to go get some more Jiffy-Pop
How could the Soros camp have missed such an obvious vulnerability? Guess money can’t buy
lovesmarts… I AM LOVING THIS!You cnnot keep politics out of the church because the govt won’t stay out of church business the way the First Amendment said they are supposed to. Like, they meddle in charities which Govt was also forbidden Constitutionally to do (Davy Crockett: “Not Yours To Give”) – and charites are the province of churches – and when govt meddles in charities, their warped and perverted sense of “fair play” means they always do more damage than good, like a 2 yr old trying to feed you her mud pie from the garden. Have you ever had a very determined little girl try to make you EAT FOR REAL her little REALLY MUD pie at her “tea party”? I have! And she ws old enough to know better, too!
Then the govt started taxing things the Constitution and Founding Fathers told them not to – and they “EXEMPTED” the churches from those taxes “AS LONG AS THEY QUALIFY” by GOVERNMENT STANDARDS - again a violation of the First Amendment – but now they HAVE ILLEGITIMATE AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL CONTROL of the Churches.
Without all THAT garbage, the churches didn’t have much NEED to ever speak of “political” matters.
The Govt meddled, and the govt deserves SCRUTINY.
Who is supposed to SCRUTINIZE the Govt?
I hope the most moral folks in the community will do so – and history proves that although there are always a fair number of hypocrites in every church, there are also a good number of highly moral people there.
And even God said you can never remove all the bad people from church attendance – though He said they are like leven and contaminate the whole body, like yeast in a loaf of bread – it is unavoidable.
But letting the Govt control CHURCH???
USSR did that.
We don’t have to be so stupid that we cannot see that the USA was ONCE long ago the right balance between The Church of England, and the USSR.
Before American Socialists began tipping things towards the USSR model.
There wouldn’t BE a USA without the Church, the Body of Jesus – it was the American people at a time when they were very Christian, though possibly their most anti-denominational, that had the MORAL OUTRAGE to recognize the GOVERNMENT ATTEMPT to strip American colonials of their British CITIZENSHIP RIGHTS and leave them as British SUBJECTS of the Crown, through measures such as The Stamp Act.
And under the Govt instituted by the Colonials, THE IRS WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL!
Thus as well, the IRS control over what was “TAX EXEMPT”, like Churches and their charities.
The thing is, if a church, synagogue, or mosque is engaged in illegal activities like “donating charities” to a false organization for the purpose of funding terrorist activities or other highly immoral or outrageous conduct which SHOULD BY ALL RIGHTS be illegal, we have developed a FALSE JUSTICE SYSTEM that “cannot” bring such groups to Justice without the IRS!
So spare me the moral outrage of churches being concerned about DIRTY POLITICS.
Didn’t see it myself, but this sounds like Juan Williams(D)?
Re Obama “didn’t know” after 20 years – sorry, THAT CONGREGATION that responded to what Wright ws saying, whose reactions wer caught on the DVDs – NON OF THE CONGREGATION WAS CAUGHT OFF GUARD and were FULLY SUPPORTIVE of what he said.
No way that Obama and Winfrey attended that church for YEARS and “didn’t know”.
And I am more fed up these days with “naive” electorate, and Conservatives always giving these dopes the benefit of the doubt.
You aren’t that stupid when your kids show up covered in cookie crumbs and the kitchen is wrecked and the cookie jar is smashed all over the cabinets and floor.
Get over it. (being that stupid)
Your communities have sustained life-threatening blows, and you have no place of escape, like the rest of the world has.
Who will take in refuge AMERICANS???
Americans who only have to flee because they stood there going “DUH” while ANARCHISTS destroyed their communities, like a bunch of college frat boys tearing up a rented house off campus.
I’m way too fed up with Conservatives being that dunderheaded.
huggybear…… sorry for the mis comm.
Ombre Rose, I hear millions of alarm clocks going off…
ajmontana#103,
Thought so. Just pulling your chain. It’s been a heavy news week.
One issue that gets lost in Wright’s racist and bigoted hateful rhetoric is is lack of historical knowledge.
Wright spouts outright lies in order to support his assertions of oppression and US shame.
One glaring example is his diatribe on the use of the atomic bomb on two Japanese cities as some sort of moral crime derserving of punishment.
First, the bomb was used to end a world war and to avoid a greater loss of life that would occur in an invasion of mainland Japan. The Japanese believed their emperor to be a divine being, and he had issued a decree that all people of Japan, civilian and military, were required to fight to the death.
Second, both Hiroshima and Nagasaki were industrial cities in Japan that significantly contributed to Japan’s war effort. And let’s not forget, after the bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, the Allies asked for Japan’s surrender to avoid further destruction. The Japanese refused.
Third, the Japanese were killing innocent people at the rate of about 100,000 per month. Estimates of up to 15 million Chinese died at the hands of the Japanese. Add the carnage they wrought in the Philippines and Korea, and the numbers are truly astounding. In addition to the cold blooded killings of civilians, the Japanese enslaved entire populations into forced labor or prostitution (”Comfort women”).They also had a very active chemical and biological warfare program (Unit 731) under which they conducted experiments on prisoners of war and civilian populations. And, most people do not know that Japan was also developing an atomic weapon to use against the US.
Despite the brutality of the Japanese, the “evil US” rebuilt Japan and helped the country set up their own democratic government.
Wright is a charlatan of the first degree, and not a very bright one at that.
Jim M. #106,
His indictment of white Europeans is a little skewed. When namely the English fought against slavery, to abolish it worldwide, years before we did. Muslims of North Africa were selling their black brethren from other parts of Africa to the slave traders. Just a little revisionism on Wright’s part that’s all.
Not only that, Marshall, but there were more Europeans enslaved by Africans than the reverse, if you take all of history into account. Maybe we should ask for reparations… Some of us, so-called white people, came from immigrants that had nothing to do with Western Hemisphere slavery, being poor residents in Europe. My grandparents didn’t come from Scotland until the mid 1920s…a country that, early on, banned any ship in the slave trade from its ports. And, yes, the Moslems in North Africa had a lot to do with the slave trade; they still do participate in the slave trade. Plus, Africans themselves, sold their own race for western slaves. Wright needs to check his history, if he plans to comment on it. But, Wright, like some so-called “pastors” are in religion for the power, and not for God. You see them especially in the Middle East, as clerics. Sold their souls for power. Wright, Jackson, Sharpton…all are guilty. Plus, and these “pastors” need to understand, the the U.S. was the only country, out of many, that fought a civil war against slavery. A lot of white Americans died for them. Where’s the salute to them?
So, Michelle, do you agree with “Sister Toldjah” that Hagee is not a bigot and that his anti-Catholics views are completely reasonable?
graysonret. Thanks for the accurate history and perspective. About 5% of the African slaves were sent to North America but a good 95% were sent to South America. Typical of liberal lawyers, going after the fruits of those who worked for a living. I, too had and have nothing to do with what went on almost two hundred years ago. Yes, these people have virtually prostituted themselves. The Sharpton-Tawana Brawley hoax being one of the most visible lies.
HELP
Does anyone here have any idea how these vids went from Trinty church to the media or blog that first aired them??
Who actually bought the vids, viewed them, edited them, and passed them to the public?
allrsn on March 15, 2008 at 6:37 PM
They were on sale at the church and really didn’t take a private investigator in some clandestine operation to get them. Just points up the unwillingness of the MSM to look into Obama’s associations.
The interview on Fox was so sad.
The new, charismatic leader of the Democratic Party preaching change and hope turns into a Chicagoland machine politician who lies: “I have been a member for 20 years, but I never knew that Rev. Wright preached division and hatred.”
“I was there, but I didn’t listen.”
Pathetic.
showing how smug they are.
Calling me names does not refute my argument.
Why not at least try and prove your superior patriotism? Or that conservatives never blame America for anything?
Barack Obama was high on his perch,
Then it was public about his church,
A “reverend” spewed hate and we knew,
Obama’s run was finally through,
The picture came clear why his wife was not proud,
20 years of wright’s preaching, with her in the crowd,
Damage control is all they can do,
Nothing will work though, not even voodoo,
Barack is finished he wont make the big dance,
He would have been better off if it was just a wide stance.
#113 slp
It’s a prerequisite for becoming a Senator— you aren’t supposed to listen to your constituents. I guess church is as good a place as any to hone those skills. You’re right, though… it really IS pathetic. I sure HOPE this CHANGES the dynamic of the campaign
Jim M. Excellent. Have you read Flyboys?by James Bradley. Disgusting, just nasty and the shame is that the trial of 1946 was classified secret for over thirty years.
Thanks for the link. The Mark Penn Obama article is a plate full of insightful information.
Up until the late 1800’s, slavery was a common practice throughout the world. The primary slave traders were Africans enslaving other Africans. In the tribal culture, when one tribe vanquished another, they would enslave what remained of the losing tribe.
It was the trade in goods from the interior of Africa (e.g., ivory) that introduced African slaves to the rest of the world. Despite the old stories about Stanley and Livingstone’s “discoveries”, it was the Arab Moslems who were the first to reach the African interior. Iviry and other rare items was in high demand, but there was a problem as to how to move such goods to a port. The ingenenous solution was to trade for slaves as well as ivory and precious stones, transport the goods via a slave caravan, and then sell off the slaves along with the other goods.
One rather notorious slave trader, Tippu Tib, is widely recognized as the most successful slave trader of all time. Tippu was a black African who was of the Moslem faith. Any slave who converted to Islam was spared from enslavement, since it is against the word in the Koran to enslave another believer.
Tippu was also probably the prime reason the British expanded their colonization in Africa. It was the will and cry of the British people in the abolition movement that justified the expansion of British military rule in Africa. The British shut down most of the slave trade at a great expense to the Empire.
During the period of British emancipation, the United States was still a small and growing nation with issues of its own. It was during this same period that the US was embroiled in the Civil War, a War that decimated the younger male population in the United States.
Yes, the US participated in slavery. So did the rest of the world. And slavery was abolshed in the US at a great cost in lives of US soldiers.
Slavery still exists in the world today. If the so called “reverend” Wright was indeed as offended at the notion of slavery as he claims to be, he would be venting his wrath against those countries that still practice slavery rather than focusing on a practice that this country abolished over 140 years ago.
Obama should be held accountable for his willing association with a known anti-American, racist, violent, lying, bigot. How could Hussein be associated with this man and his church of hate for such a long time without knowing what this “pastor” stood for?
I was watching one of my favorite war pictures “The Bridges at Toko-Ri”. You know the one where Fredrick March watches the jets launch from the carrier and asks himself “Where do we get such men”? He has just learned that one of his pilots(William Holden) was shot down, on a mission to destroy the bridges, and killed by the communists. They came from America and they still do. Americans died to keep South Korea free. And they are all over the world fighting for freedom. Not the “mean” America that Michelle Obama thinks we are. Not the “G*D Damn America” of Reverend Wright. I don’t really recognize the America they talk about. And just which one does Barak Obama.
Hope you don’t mind if I borrow that…it’s great!
I agree with aj good one bob
Are there a few people here who can put aside politics and think about saving souls?
There is so little in Wikipedia to try to understand black liberation theology. The Trinity United Church of Christ’s website had 20-30 books on the subject. I am not going to buy any of them. I just hope that someone here could answer some of the questions that I have.
To some extent, black liberation theology developed from or is similar to liberal, Socialist liberation theology in the Roman Catholic Church.
Does Rev. Wright inspire the members of his congregation to repent, throw off the shackles of remnants of racism in their minds, and go to Harvard and become the president of the law review?
Or do most members of his congregation find justification to continue to defraud and exploit the public welfare system to screw whitey?
Does he ever preach reconciliation with white America?
Some of Rev. Wright’s statements are from the land of Oz, tinfoil hat territory.
The CIA invented AIDS to kill blacks. The white corporate power structure in America knew and encouraged Pearl Harbor to reap the corporate profits from World War II.
There are other statements that should cause a Christian to think.
We are outraged that more than 3,000 innocents were murdered on 9/11, but where is the Christian outrage when more than 200,000 Japanese were killed in two days in Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
However, only the most pacifistic Christian would deny that the deaths of those 200,000 Japanese saved the lives of many more Japanese and Americans who would have died if the Japanese emperor had not surrendered in August 1945.
Is it true that more young black men are in prison than in college?
Well, what does Rev. Wright say we should do about it?
Just sit back and say that these young black men are the victims of the white corporate oppressors?
Or does he say that these young black men need to repent, find Jesus, reject the drug filled, rap filled culture of the street, go to college, and become productive members of society?
What does Rev. Wright say we should do about the disappearance of the black family and culture of the street that single teenage black girls want to get pregnant so they can start collecting aid to dependent children, food stamps, and other government giveaways?
Just sit back and say that these young black women are the victims of the white corporate oppressors? Go to it. Exploit and defraud the welfare system?
Or does he say that these young black women need to repent, find Jesus, reject the drug filled, rap filled culture of the street, go to college, and become productive members of society?
What does Rev. Wright say about building stable two parent black families?
Is Rev. Wright all hate whitey? Or does he tell his congregation that if they want to change their lives, they have to do it themselves because no one is going to do it for them?
Beyond the vitriol, does Rev. Wright have a message similar to Bill Cosby?
Did Rev. Wright follow up the fire and brimstone with a altar call? Are the success of Barack and Michelle Obama and Oprah the partially result of Rev. Wright’s call to repent? Has Rev. Wright helped a few more or a few thousand more in the south side of Chicago to reject the drug filled streets, repent, find Jesus, and live the Christian life?
While we all pray for God to bless America, when we look at the drug filled streets, the black men who feel no responsibility to support their children, the black women who have 3 or 4 or 5 children before they are 20, that God has looked at the south side of Chicago and said you are damned to this hell on earth.
Is Rev. Wright all fire, brimstone, and hate? Does he provide justification to the middle aged grandmothers and great grandmothers that whitey deserves to pay for each new generation of welfare babies?
Unfortunately, many conservative politicians are using Rev. Wright’s most vitriolic comments to sink Obama’s presidential campaign. The Clinton political machine just sits back and lets the conservatives do all the heavy lifting. MSM is trying to hid and spin the story to save their Saint Barack.
We all know that Barack lied to Major Garrett on Fox News. Rev. Wright’s vitriolic comments about modern American culture were made every Sunday, in every sermon.
Most unfortunately, the supporters of Saint Barack in MSM and the drive by media will soon move on and we will never know whether Rev. Wright’s vitriol has lead to change for the better for even a few individuals on the south side of Chicago.
Liberation theology has always relied on Maxist remedies.
ChiefRZ
Haven’t read Flyboys yet, but sounds like a book I should pick up.
Wright is also apparently a big Fidel Castro fan, and pretty much buys into the propaganda Fidel has put out there. Fidel and his henchman, Che, murdered over 14,000 people by firing squad – unarmed civilians who were executed without any sort of due process. They also looted Cuba for their personal gain and turned one of the world’s most thriving economies into a third world pit is a few years.
Wright rails about Mandels’s time spent as a political prisoner, but conveniently ignores the men whose stay in Cuban jails as political prisoners eclipse the time Mandela spent in jail by years.
The pattern here is that Wright admires tyrants and despots like Khadafi and Castro, has sympathy for regimes like Imperial Japan that murdered millions upon millions of people while enslaving many times that number into forced labor or prostitution, and forgives the murder and mayhem comitted by Hamas and other Muslim groups against Jews and Americans as the understandable actions of an oppressed people.
Wright is a radical Imam in Christian clothing. A Marxist who adores the tenants of communism. A hate monger whose mastery of race baiting fuels the fire of racism and bigotry in America. And a proud leader of a fifth column working to subvert our Constitution and our freedoms. He is the “Christian” version of Louis Farhakkan.
This is Obama’s “good friend” and spiritual guide who provides the magnetic pole for Obama’s “moral compass”. And I fear that Wiright will get his wish for God to damn America if Barak Obama is elected President.
I’m disillusioned. The realization here is that MLK’s vision may never be come to pass. I now see the systematic vicimization of the black community has been sold on as a whole.
How can people be judged by the content of their character, when the can’t get past the color of their skin?
I submit the oppressors are the “spiritual” leaders in the black community, who insist on perpetuating the illusion that their “people” cannot achieve because they are black.
An agenda of separatism strengthens their position while weakening the parishioners and, ultimately, the country as a whole.
You don’t save souls by perverting the truth, or the scriptures, or God’s stance on the issues.
I heard enough in those messages to know that Wright does ALL those things.
The Bible says that when you allow the Holy Spirit to lead you into Truth, then you shall know the Truth, AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE.
Another place He says, MY people perish FOR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE.
We also see that Eve was MISLEAD, when God told Adam before she was created not to EAT of “THAT” tree, She then told the serpent, we may not EAT OF or TOUCH “that” tree… then the serpent says, “SURELY, you sh all not die!”…
And since there was a lie in what she swallowed, she believed the lie and the lie was her downfall.
Wright says one of the things America is damned for is for the THREE STRIKES RULE – sorry, God Himself doesn’t give you THREE FREE PASSES – and many who get snagged by the Three Strikes rule are already murderers, rapists, and other terrible habitual offenders.
GOD, AND JESUS, NEVER EXCUSES SIN!
He should be teaching his people that THEY shouldn’t be doing THE FIRST STRIKE, NOT that the Government is WRONG to punish CRIME.
Matthew tells us the Govt is for the purpose of punishing criminals.
So Wright didn’t get that attack on the Three Strikes Rule from Jesus. Jesus said NOT ONLY IF YOU DO IT BUT ALSO IF YOU THINK IT, YOU HAVE SINNED.
Then he brought up the Japanese citizens who died when we bombed Japan at the very end. And called them innocents, and America murderers for that.
THAT would NEVER pass muster with God, with Jesus. Pearl Harbor was UNPROVOKED, and when we got the bomb, we told them what we had and begged them to negotiate peace. This guy HAS to know how close we were to losing WW2 at that point, and I personally don’t think he would have been able to handle Japanese or German language or Rule, either one.
When we bombed the first time, we tried to negotiate again, and they again refused AND ARROGANTLY SO.
We had no choice, the Allies were runningout of resources and it looked at the time as if the Japanese were fully prepared to go the full distance.
One of my uncles was at Bataan, and one of my dad’s business associates was there, too – thank God, neither was there at the end, but Wright is insane to be preaching that we “MURDERED” those Japanese people, when we were trying to stop the War they started, for our part.
Furthermore, NEVER in any Bible account does God treat the “civilians” of an ATTACKING NATION differently than the army and govt of it, and never requires a surgical military solution to being attacked. No matter WHO they are.
There are several other parts I heard Wright preaching also that were absolutely cold dead wrong, Scripturally – and I guarantee you, the Bible is very very harsh on one who teaches a perversion of the Bible that preaches Good is EVIL, and EVIL is GOOD, as he does on several other issues the Bible specifically names for people to shun, to shun the sin, and to shun the doers so they will repent and stop it. Not to shun them for scorn – but to shun them out of concern for their souls.
Several times, God ordered them to turn an indivudual over to Satan for the destruction of their body – for the sake of the salvation of their soul (that would come with their repentence) for ONE sin that came tothe attention of the Church.
You don’t have to be ugly to them about it, though sure they’ll take it that way often enough anyway – but to TEACH the CHURCH to accept them and tell them they can go to heaven WITHOUT REPENTENCE FOR THOSE SINS ….
The Bible says, My children will stumble, BUT WOE UNTO THOSE WHO CAUSE THEM TO STUMBLE.
No! The man may inadvertently help a few people, but he is wrong to be doing what he is doing. And with God, with Jesus, THE MEANS MATTERS – NOT JUST THE ENDS.
Wright is supposed to be a SHEPHERD – NOT the feeder of the wolves with SHEEP!
Last week, Barack Obama said “it is premature” to offer him the VICE Presidency – maybe by NEXT WEEK, he will have a slightly different opinion about how “premature”.
I thought when he said that, I’m sure that isn’t what he MEANT to say, but I thought it might easily turn out to be very prophetic in ways he never intended.
Great piece – excellent!
This whole affair reminds me of the old They Might Be Giants song Your Racist Friend. It goes like this:
And on it goes.
More:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=59044
I wonder how fast a video of that nod will appear in one of Hillary’s ads?
Now Obama’s blaming race division as the culprit,
Wake up you fool, it’s coming from your preachers pulpit,
Spewing hate and lies this pastor is wrong,
Maybe he’s had to many hits off his bong.
Maybe, just maybe Obambi is being truthful when he says he rejects Pastor Wrong’s racism.
How so?
Check out page 11 of 36 of the 02 Mar 08 TUCC Church Bulletin, and the last paragraph of the farewell to the ‘good’ pastor:
That notion implies the sanctity of life in the womb, yet we all know that Obambi is as pro-abortion as can be. Surely Obambi wouldn’t want the aborted blood of the next “Jeremiah Wright”on his hands by supporting
PlannedKlannedParenthood?On second thot, both Obambi and Pastor Wrong are full of snow-covered cow manure and have sold their souls to Mammon for 30 pieces of black chits. In Obambi’s tortured logic of moral equivalence; “God knew & formed the mother destined to abort her baby(s), so who are we to interfere in God’s wonderous works?”
PS. My earlier post (#136) on the ‘abortion’ nugget from the TUCC church bulletin is but one of many gobsmacking tidbits.
Just read that bulletin and count the ways that Pastors Wright & Moss are but teachers of bigoted victimization and not The Gospel.
I think we are all missing the point. By default, Obama is spiritually defined by, and intellectually connect to, his pastor no matter what he tries to say today.
Maybe on the Sundays where Wright went off on long drawn out tirades Obama wasn’t there. But do you expect me to believe that his Pastor, on any given Sunday, didn’t inject this type of racist hatred into a sermon?
Look, if I wanted to get my congregation riled up and I knew from past sermons that racist hatred did the job I would do it again.
Imagine for a moment you were in front of 8500 people and you know just how to get them stomping and screaming. That would be a powerful feeling in and of itself. Now imagine that you have, so to speak, fuel for the fire that you want to ignite. Would you not want to use that fuel as often as you could?
To not believe that Obama was never in one of these “Move-On, Weekly-Kos” sermons, or even that his pastor never drew from those sermons for his semi-racist hate filled sermons, is to believe that what we’ve seen on television and on the videos of Wright were just anomalies. Ya! Wright!
Doesn’t matter if Obama was there or not – if one of my pastors ever did a pro-KKK rant from the pulpit or anywhere else, the tight circle of church -goers, their friends, families and acquaintances, and co-workers would all have more than an earful of complaints about it within HOURS.
And Obama, being pro-abortion, while listening to a preacher complain about the known racism of such as Margaret Sanger, et al, and such scriptures as noted above in the reference to God forming us in the womb – which also says that He planned for us BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD… and knowing that half the abortions are by Black women… that is a very ugly thing.
But then, abortion always was, and always will be, totally the complete epitome of “ways some folks deal with inconvenient truths”.
The righteous brothers & sistas on Chris Matthews this morning are skirting around this with rubber gloves. They maintain that Obama is the “above all this identity politics” which they imply comes from the right and, yes some from the old school of “rev” Wright. What they can’t and never will acknowledge is that they are the pervasive channels of identy politics. Hypocritical b——… Chris kept checking his leg…I think the tingle may have left him.
The following item posted by Michelle explains the roots of Wright’s hate and anger.
While Obama is making a big deal out of the fact that Wright is out of the picture, his successor, Otis Moss III is also adoring disciple of of Cone:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-moss_bd17feb17,0,6761518.story
The core issues at Trinity will not disappear with Wright’s departure. Same church, different pew.
The core issues at Trinity will not disappear with Wright’s departure. Same church, different
pewPhew.If we are concerned about what Wright said from the pulpit and whether Obama was in attendance to hear these sermons; can you imagine what was said in private? Since Obama admires Wright so much, member for 20 years, etc… I doubt seriously the Obama’s have not entertained Wright in their home or Obama has not stopped by Wright’s office from time to time during those 20 years. It’s hard to imagine Wright saying more hateful or inflammatory remarks, but I fear the few clips we’ve seen and heard are just the tip of the iceberg.
What Obama needs to do now, is to make sure Wright goes quickly and quietly into retirement. It’s still 5 months until the convention (groan) and, by then, no-one will remember him. He’ll be “past history”. The American public has a short memory. New sensationalism from the MSM will be the focus then, whatever it may be. Also, the democrats need to up the pressure on Rep. Jefferson to get his trial over. They certainly don’t need that at convention time, or worse, in the Fall, to fuel Republican comments on ethics. I certainly hope they don’t follow this advice. Okay, Clinton, it’s your turn again to reveal another “skeleton” from your large closet.
Let’s try “cattle futures”!
My guess is the MSM ignored the story for so long because, aside from it possibly tainting their guy, Obama, it contradicted their decades long narrative that only white conservative pastors preach racism.
I’m interested in this retirement/sabbatical disparity. They are not the same!
Every week the BO campaign (or Obama himself) comes out with something that makes me purple with anger. Withdrawal unconditional from Iraq, disappointment with America and now “GD America!”
Shades of the Bill Clinton campaign! It was exactly the same then! And he rode that hate America horse straight into the Oval Office. Twice.
Let’s face it. The Dems love to hate the USA. Obama’s speaking to his base.
The only difference is, Clinton’s hate America associations were twenty years older and quite a bit less relevant. Are we so desensitized now that his vitriolic campaign (Wright represents his campaign, people!) is just everyday politics?
Now he says his former pastor,
He should have denounced him alot faster,
His answers are sly and coy,
Is Rev. Wright Islamic rage boy?,
Michelle Obama hasn’t said a word,
She gets her speeches from this turd,
He’s says “I never heard him this way before,
Ya right! And spitzer wasn’t caught with a w_ore,
He says “I was never there”
and if you believe that, I’ll sell ya the bridge to no-where.
Damn, AJ, you’re a regular Dr. Suess!
What the media has not addressed is that Sen. Obama has said he condemns some statements by Rev. Wright, but he fully embraces his church and what they teach. So looking at the church website what is it they teach?
http://www.tucc.org/about.htm
Notice they do not state they are American People, but African people. Also notice in the 10-point vision is their “COMMITMENT TO AFRICA” and not the USA and in fact they list that above “BIBLICAL EDUCATION.”
Sen. Obama has gotten a lot of flack for stating he will refuse to wear an American Flag pin and he does not bother to put his hand over his heart during the National Anthem. Based on what this church teaches I can understand now where this is coming from. He has stated he denounces some statements by Rev. Wright, but not his church because he believes in the overall message it teaches his followers and based on that I don’t think he is a good choice for President now.
If you notice the clothes that the Rev. W. was wearing in each of these little scenes, you will note that it is something different in each one. Therefore he didn’t say all these things in just one sermon. So if Bambi attends on a regular basis how can he say he never heard such talk? Is he hard of hearing? Or is he lying about not hearing them or lying about how often he attends? In either case he is full of horse hockey.
Babbledabble, he is full of horse hockey. Only a person so naive and gullible, would believe what he says. People trust what he says because they want to trust him. So, whatever statement comes out, they will believe and defend. I’d hate to be one of his spin doctors. I would be exhausted by now. He’s a guy, 5 months from the convention, tottering on the edge, ready to collapse. One more scandal, and he’s gone. He’s a rookie. Lots of rookies “try to play” but not all make it.
Mark Steyn at NRO on Wright vs. Irving Berlin. Wow! Must read.
Grey, I still think he will get the black vote, a lot of the young vote & plenty of the naive vote. They see him as this higher-than-thou creature who can do no wrong.
There was a young woman who called in to the Hannity show yesterday who said that she thought it was perfectly fine to have even a terrorist as a friend. You didn’t have to agree with them, but they should still be your friend. UGH. And these people vote?!?!?
I still want to see Michelle Obama step up to the camera’s and hear her spin. imho, she’s running scared right now.
R.I.P.
OBAMA
Isn’t interesting, Babble, that the young people, like us once, come into the adult world all ready to change it, based on “feelings” rather than logic. They can’t use logic since they have no experience in the hard lessons, the ups and downs, that the world gives them. Of course, having a terrorist as a friend is good; that’s based on “feelings”. She is the same type of person, and some politicians who never grew up, that believes terrorism can be stopped simply with “hugs and understanding”. You can’t change them until they learn the world isn’t the way they had imagined, from the inner city or small town that is their world today. I’ve been around the world, and it isn’t like Smalltown, USA. Some places can be quite confusing and downright irritating. Some people think Obama can change the whole world, based on his race. That’s “feelings”. It’s a recipe for disaster.
Grey, they’ll get some “change” for sure, perhaps just not the change they had in mind.
For sure, Babble,…for sure.
We understand the allure of racism. It makes those who feel bad about themselves feel better by putting down others who appear different. It’s like rationalization — a lie we tell ourselves to help us get through the day. Rev. Wright seems little different to me than Rev. Farrakhan. And it’s funny Wright tries to pump up Obama by putting down whites when Obama’s mother was white and he was raised by his white grandparents. There’s so much leadership Obama could now provide on this issue, but all I see him doing is tactical defense, saying as little as he has to in order to get by.
Well, this is interesting. It looks like someone has been busy over the last week removing controversial clips of Otis Moss III from YouTube.
The clip linked here, where Moss made the following statements has been removed:
And the video linked at this site where Moss was quoted below as been removed :
There are also links to Moss videos at FreeRepublic and other blogs that have mysteriously vanished over the last week.
Rather than allow the public to make their own judgment on Moss’ past statements, the Moss clips have been deleted from the public domain. The action of trying to conceal Moss’ views are perhaps more damning than allowing the videos to remain. Why delete the information if he was saying nothing akin to a Wright vent?
From the little I know so far, I see little difference between Wright and Moss.
Moss always grows on the
wrightnorth side of the tree.and BS flows downstream.
Anyone who wants to know if Obama was in church during these anti-American, anti-white diatribes could get the pledge records and compare them to the sermon dates. This is not hard to do if the press is really interested.
Between Michelle Obama and Pastor Wright, Barrack Hussein Obama has a real problem. About the best excuse I heard from his defenders is that all the Black churches are like this – this is in itself another racist comment in defense of Wright’s over racism.
How the Democrat party could put up such horrible people for the presidency is beyond me. I guess this confirms LBJ’s yellow dog democrat comments.
US of America is faced with these presidential candidates:
- Mobarak Hussein Obama, who is on record to have followed a church that is clearly anti-American. Also, a known supporter of illegal immigration.
- Hillary Clinton, who has no problem with adultry, nor with money of criminals (Shu) and cheats (Spitzer). Also, Hillary is another supporter of illegal immigration (”No woman is illegal”).
- John McCain, who designed the ‘amnesty bill for illegal immigrants and hired Hernandez who is on record for Mexican reconsquita. Also, McCain is a Democrat in Republican cloathing.
Remembering “In a democracy people get the government they deserve.” and remembering Americans rejected a true patriot in Tom Tancredo, what else can Americans expect but disaster, no matter who is elected as the next president of US of America?
bhish,
Tancredo would have been an outstanding Nominee/President.
still hoping a VP slot, but I havent a clue who McCain will choose or a s.w.a.g..
@ Jim M. (#159) & Paul-Cincy (@160)
No prob there. I’d really be concerned however, if they begin airbrushing out that dude in the bowtie what jumps around the pulpit doing his version of the touchdown dance behind Pastor Wrong in every other video. Oh, wait! That’d be Moss himself.
Ironically, that’s the kind of enthusiacitic “leaping for joy” that I envisioned NT people did when Jesus healed the lame in his time on earth. OTOH, the Bible is silent on public displays of enthusiasim whenever He condemned oppressors.
Just saying..
ajmontana,
I have followed Tom Tancredo over years and found him to be a stanch and a constitent patriot. America would have been safe in the hands of Tancredo. Yet, it is those same Americans, who complain about Mobarak “drivers licenses for illegals” Obama (not to mention God D**n America), Hillary “No woman is illegal” Clinton and Jose McCain, who rejected Tom. As we all know, wrong choices cost and critical wrong choices cost dearly. Rejecting Tom Tancredo is similar to rejecting Churchill, who waved Britain from certain defeat and disaster. Ofcourse, Americans cannot see the mistake they have made in rejecting Tom.
Speaking for myself, I am happy to have supported Tom till the very end. Now, atleast, I respect myself for supporting an American patriot and rejecting slimy cheats who are running the presidential race. If Americans would have had the courage of supporting Tom, they would not be gasping at the exposed anti-American candidates they have to now deal with.
Barack is with his group and advisory panels,
It’s a futile effort the rev’s still on all the channels,
His wife is hiding and taking meds,
Cuz the Pastor was outed for siding with Reds,
A new game plan is now their plan of action,
It better be good Obama’s in traction.
Black Supremacists Racists nuts. Donna Brazil called the Rev Wright a moderate. That means this disease is rampant throughout the Black community. Might help explain a lot of the pathologies of Black America.
Rev. Wright will always be there.
Rev. Moss serves as Pastor under the leadership of Senior Pastor Wright.
http://www.tucc.org/pastoral_staff.htm
Rev. Wright will continue to be on the cover and page 2 of the bulletin as Senior Pastor. I am sure he will continue to have an office at the church. I am also sure that he will continue to preach on occasion.
His daughter, Deacon Jeri L. Wright, is Director of Media.
A leader such as Rev. Wright will never be gone from Trinity United Church of Christ.
It doesn’t surprise me about Donna Brazil. Heck, Joe Stalin and Pol Pot are moderates according to her and her philosophy. The only thing, to the left of her, is the Devil himself.
Bhishma#166,
Some of us feel the same way about “our candidate”. Tom would have been an excellent candidate but, we are here I am sure you would agree that Hill/Bill or Obama would be a disaster.
@puhiawa#168
Also explains where Donna was coming from 3-4 years ago when she was making the talking-heads rounds that the Donks needed to embrace evangelical religion to avoid losing again. Now we know she was talking about social gospel and not The Gospel