More trouble for the GOP…and a Republican challenge to Don Young; Plus: McCain peddles WSJ open-borders B.S.

By Michelle Malkin  •  March 17, 2008 05:22 PM

On Friday, I told you about the mess at the NRCC. It’s all parts of the party that are in peril. The base is demoralized. Republicans don’t want to give. And Republicans don’t want to run.

Via US News, the Senate Republicans are giving up on regaining the majority:

The battle cry of the Republican Party is “Two seats to capture the Senate.” But Nevada Sen. John Ensign, who is leading the charge for the GOP, now concedes the party may not win the fight, particularly after two prospective candidates he had hoped to recruit—one in New Jersey, one in South Dakota— refused to sign up for the struggle. “Realistically, we have a very, very slim chance of getting back into the majority,” says Ensign, chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee. “That’s not even our goal anymore. Our [numeric] goal is to hold as close to where we are as possible.” Democrats control the chamber by a narrow majority, 51 to 49.

Leading up to the November elections, analysts say the Senate contest in Louisiana—”It’s going to be a bloodbath,” Ensign promises—poses a good-news, bad-news scenario for Republicans. The good news: The incumbent Democrat, Mary Landrieu, twice has won her Senate seat by narrow margins, meaning she’s a target. Plus, her base has shrunk demonstrably since Hurricane Katrina hit. And what’s emerged of late is a state trending red. The bad news: Landrieu is not only the GOP’s best hope to oust an incumbent but, at the moment, the only one.

Analysts studying the 35 U.S. Senate races on the ballot say Democrats began the campaign with two key advantages. Not only did they have far fewer lawmakers up for re-election, they didn’t confront a retirement boom. Twenty-three seats now held by Republicans are up for election—compared with only a dozen in the hands of Democrats. Five of the Republican seats are open because of retirements, while not a single Democrat is eyeballing the exits. In three of the five states where Republicans are retiring—Colorado, New Mexico, and, especially, Virginia—observers see opportunities for Democrats to enlarge their majority.

So while it’s early—”Politically, it’s an eternity between now and November,” as Ensign puts it—now forecasters envision an overall Democratic gain of three to six seats.

More here and here.

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The Rhode Island GOP is cash-strapped.

The Indiana GOP is a mess.

In Alaska, a truly maverick Republican mounts a challenge to corruptocrat GOP Rep. Don Young. RedState reports:

Don Young (R- Don Youngland) is embittered, corrupt, out of touch, and part of the problem in Washington. His fifteen minutes are up and the time has come to send him back to Alaska, though we know he’ll be heading to K Street instead.

In the past few years, Don Young voted to force workers into an open, public ballot on the issue of unionization, he voted against reauthorization of the Patriot Act, he voted to expand government funded stem cell research, and he railed against conservatives who wanted to cut earmarks by calling the taxpayer dollars his money. Don Young is also under FBI investigation for taking bribes, illegal gratuities and other unreported gifts from an Alaskan corporation, and he has dubiously forced on the people of Florida a road they don’t want all because one of his donors wanted the road.

We fully support and encourage you to support Alaska’s Lt. Gov. Sean Parnell in his bid to unseat Don Young in the Republican Primary.

We commend Governor Sarah Palin for supporting her Lieutenant Governor and recognizing that the Republican Party must clean up its own house. Putting Don Young on the trash heap of history is a perfect place to start.

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They don’t get it. John McCain doesn’t get it. He recycled the WSJ’s bullcrap blaming GOP Rep. Jim Oberweis’s loss on his tough immigration enforcement stance.

As I said before, self-delusion is a wonderful thing.

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  1. #267676
    On March 17th, 2008 at 5:26 pm, John Ansell said:

    “Realistically, we have a very, very slim chance of getting back into the majority,”

    How’s that amnesty looking now? It’s your own fault for giving us McInsane. It’s your own fault for pushing Amnesty. The base warned you and you didn’t listen. No tears for you.

  2. #267679
    On March 17th, 2008 at 5:28 pm, NeoConNews said:

    With the caveat that I will be voting for Straight Talk in the fall, this is one of the side-effects of nominating a candidate who does absolutely nothing to encourage the base. We mostly see Iraq as an obligation, not a positive rallying point, and that’s all McCain really has going for him.

    Maybe we’ll see things pick up after he chooses his VP and gets out on the campaign trail with a conservative to bolster him. I wouldn’t hold my breath though.

    Should have actually used that majority in Congress when we had it.

  3. #267684
    On March 17th, 2008 at 5:35 pm, walterc said:

    Given the general condition of the party, most are just RINOs anyway, so having them replaced by Dems won’t be much different in the overall scheme of things.

    The article was a little unclear, but how many of the retirees are 1) leaving to avoid the embarassment of being tossed out by the voters, and 2) how many are leaving to avoid indictments?

    Term limits is the answer to corruption and mismanagement. It works for the presidency and it would work for the house and senate.

  4. #267686
    On March 17th, 2008 at 5:36 pm, tarpon said:

    AMNESTY looked so good when it was going to be the GOP saviour … Not so good these days. AMNESTY Mel is advertising like crazy on the Rush show daily in Florida, touting how he single handedly stopped the $21 billion in new Democrat energy taxes. Florida approval of AMNESTY Mel not so hot.

    Would be better except for the fact that AMNESTY Mel ran on no illegals, now even the CUbans hate him … He still can’t quite figure it out.

    Be nice to see if Republicans figured out that Democrat light is not a winning strategy.

  5. #267687
    On March 17th, 2008 at 5:38 pm, DanMan said:

    This party needed an enema and now is as good a time as any. Where did we find such gutless wonders? Ours in Texas are looking a lot like y’alls in the northeast. I have a feeling Kay Bailey votes pretty much in line with Susan Collins. That doesn’t get us very motivated at all.

  6. #267691
    On March 17th, 2008 at 5:47 pm, John Ansell said:

    On March 17th, 2008 at 5:36 pm, tarpon said:

    I don’t know how many letters I’ve written to the Party and to SMell Martinez to step down. A friend of La Raza is no friend to me.

  7. #267693
    On March 17th, 2008 at 5:48 pm, et said:

    Here in Florida we have our own Young problem. I refer to Congressman C.W.’Bill’ Young, R-FL10

    The following is an excerpt from a campaign letter sent on behalf of and signed by the congressman. In the original two page letter this was the only sentence underlined for emphasis.

    “Remember, every time you turn on your water faucet, the water that comes out just might be flowing from the C. W. Bill Young Reservoir that was funded by a Congressional earmark.”

  8. #267695
    On March 17th, 2008 at 5:50 pm, Bob69 said:

    Repubs lost their base when they failed to reduce the size of government, failed to reduce the budget and failed to think earmarks were more than earrings for the elite.
    Failed in most of their promises when elected and fell into bed with outside interests.
    Just wait. the Dem’s are doing it also.
    Same, Same please give me a party that wants to follow the constitution.

  9. #267696
    On March 17th, 2008 at 5:53 pm, twoninerkilo said:

    Serves them right, You piss on your base, and your suprised when they return the favor?

  10. #267700
    On March 17th, 2008 at 5:58 pm, Desert Rat said:

    If McCain wins, our Illegal loving, La Raza pandering Dem Gov. Napolitano gets to appoint his relacement . . . at least until a special election can be held.

  11. #267703
    On March 17th, 2008 at 6:02 pm, YoungAndRestless said:

    Hello party. People are hopping mad over immigration. That’s why no one is donating to your party. If you want to be self-fulfilling and say that immigration is why people aren’t voting for your party… hah! So when McCain loses the general election will the GOP say, “It was his stance on immigration”?

    Just admit it, the grassroots Republicans have revolted over the past 2 years and not sent any money, rather we sent them the Jorge Bush Amero, or Peso or whatever.

    Sorry, there’s no sympathy from me.

  12. #267709
    On March 17th, 2008 at 6:17 pm, Gothguy said:

    We didn’t lose it for them…they lost it for us.

  13. #267710
    On March 17th, 2008 at 6:19 pm, txvet2 said:

    On March 17th, 2008 at 5:38 pm, DanMan said:

    This party needed an enema and now is as good a time as any. Where did we find such gutless wonders? Ours in Texas are looking a lot like y’alls in the northeast. I have a feeling Kay Bailey votes pretty much in line with Susan Collins. That doesn’t get us very motivated at all.

    She’s not that bad, but she has been moving left, getting ready to run for guvnah. Don’t know who we’ll end up with to replace her. Probably worse. She’s been on the right side of most of the issues, including immigration, until she slipped that little anti-fence provision in a while back. And she’s pretty much had to back Bush most of the time, given that she’s his home state senator (although that hasn’t affected Cornyn that much).

  14. #267713
    On March 17th, 2008 at 6:24 pm, rooster said:

    McCain is a Jack-Ass, literally. He didn’t get the message that the overwhelming majority of Americans are tired of the illegal invasion.

    I could never vote for McCain. He is wrong on too many fronts and is barely a RINO.

    Bush has done enough damage, it’s time for the democrats to step in and finish us off.

  15. #267718
    On March 17th, 2008 at 6:29 pm, mngirl said:

    Shame on the GOP for not being able to field someone in South Dakota to run against Tim Johnson, that red state should have two (R)’s in the Senate column.

    On a brighter note, your favorite Muslim Congressman Keith Ellison (and my representative) has some competition for his upcoming race. The African American Woman running against him had a press conference last week to announce her candidacy and ~one TV station carried it.

    http://www.barbdaviswhiteforcongress.com/

  16. #267724
    On March 17th, 2008 at 6:34 pm, Dandapani said:

    Glad I’m no longer a Republican…

  17. #267738
    On March 17th, 2008 at 6:59 pm, pressto said:

    GOP Rep. Jim Oberweis has run like 6 times now and lost every time in GOP friendly districts and state. What the GOP fails to realize is the people don’t like him, yet they keep pushing him in there to run. Yes the GOP is just plain stupid now in some cases.

  18. #267740
    On March 17th, 2008 at 7:05 pm, John Ansell said:

    Presto, they need to run Edgar for Senate. Who are they throwing up against Sen. Turbin?

  19. #267746
    On March 17th, 2008 at 7:28 pm, John Ansell said:

    Jesus is in trouble. I wonder where he got all that stuff.

  20. #267747
    On March 17th, 2008 at 7:28 pm, normsrevenge said:

    Maybe there’s a reason the dems held the House and Senate for so long.. it allowed the Pubs time to hone their talents at being a minority party, a position they obviously enjoy for some odd reason… and seem quite willing to assume for the foreseeable future.

    The sad part is, the party leaders seems as resigned to that minority role as well. A real shame.

  21. #267749
    On March 17th, 2008 at 7:32 pm, elpresidente said:

    Colorado’s not going down without a fight. A true conservative, former Rep. Bob Schaffer, is in a statistical tie with Boulder liberal Rep. Mark Udall.

    A good race to watch, and to support.

    For more information, a coalition of Colorado conservative bloggers (including me) have taken up the cause:
    http://schaffervudall.blogspot.com/

    We may not reclaim the Senate this year, but keeping Colorado’s current Republican seat is both possible and certainly supportable–Schaffer is a conservative’s conservative–no RINOs here.

  22. #267756
    On March 17th, 2008 at 7:41 pm, Wade said:

    Being from RI it is a joke to think the local Republicans will have any money when the RNC gave us Chafee against a very good conservative in the 2006 primary’s. The RNC can go crap in their hat as far as I am concerned. Locally it is useless as this is a one party state and I’ll be damned if I will throw away my money by giving to a defunct party. I would rather give to someone out of state who has a chance to win.

  23. #267760
    On March 17th, 2008 at 7:50 pm, mlog said:

    The article about Indiana GOP being trouble is partly true. If the Indiana GOP wants to succeed, it need only look at the approach of new Indianapolis mayor, Greg Ballard, a political novice who soundly defeated a well-financed and incumbent Democrat mayor, Bart Peterson. Peterson was a shill for shamnesty and openly enouraged illegal aliens in Indianapolis. Peterson even provide free rent for a Mexican consulate. If the GOP wants to find a winning formula, it should look at Ballard.

  24. #267762
    On March 17th, 2008 at 7:55 pm, Old Tanker said:

    Gee wiz, and the GOP wonders why we aren’t giving to the party. I haven’t donated to the GOP in 2 years and I refuse to now. My Rep. in the House is Tim Walberg and he is a pretty straight forward Conservative, he will be getting money from me. Hopefully our former Sec of State Candice Miller will run for Senate and get lil’ Debbie Stabenow out, Candice will get my money too (unless I find out something bad about her voting record, current Rep as well)

  25. #267773
    On March 17th, 2008 at 8:32 pm, The Raging Republican said:

    Sadly, a republican controlled congress is the only way amnesty wont become the law of the land… McCain needs to have his republican credentials reveoked!

  26. #267774
    On March 17th, 2008 at 8:33 pm, zorro said:

    GOP = big spenders, just like the democraps.

  27. #267775
    On March 17th, 2008 at 8:34 pm, cf said:

    I think we have to go easy on Jim Oberweis in Illinois; yes, he’s lost a number of times, but the Republican establishment hasn’t supported him. The WSJ, if it’s still Republican, attacks him all the time because he’s against illegal immigration. The Republicans also messed up their party in Illinois. The Republican Governor went to jail, and a few hacks took his place.

    In all fairness, the Dems’ success isn’t just because of Republican ineptitude though; the economy is definitely worsening, and the Dems generally do better in such a situation, although the Republicans’ socialistic actions certainly aren’t helping.

  28. #267784
    On March 17th, 2008 at 8:55 pm, fred5676 said:

    “We just had a loss of Denny Hastert’s seat out in Illinois. The Republican candidate out there, I am told, had very strong anti-immigrant rhetoric also, so I would hope that many of our Republican candidates would understand the political practicalities of this issue.”

    By “political practicalities” does McCain imply that we must abandon the rule of law and submit to the lawlessness of illegal invasion, just so we can retain/gain political power?

    B.S.!!!

    Attrition through enforcement is being demanded by states fed up with Congress’s inaction and it is working just great! Try it, Juan!

  29. #267790
    On March 17th, 2008 at 9:14 pm, rooster said:

    Right on Fred!!!!!

  30. #267791
    On March 17th, 2008 at 9:20 pm, DirkBelig said:

    And that’s why the GOP is the Stupid Party.

    With the Dems about to put up another candidate (either one) so unacceptable that the voters will settle for the Stupid Party’s standard bearer for the THIRD TIME IN A ROW, the fact that the Stupid Party is laboring under the delusion that the reason they’re in trouble is because they aren’t socialist enough.

    Nothing but the best for the USA, eh?

  31. #267798
    On March 17th, 2008 at 9:35 pm, DBNinKY said:

    O.K. I’ll play Pollyanna and say it: I know it may look tough right now for the GOP, but I don’t think we will fair that poorly come the fall. McCain is looking better everyday and, so far, seems to be making all the right moves and appearing very presidential with his trip to Iraq and non-apologetic stance towards advocating the surge.

    But his biggest selling point right now, in my view, is that he’s not out there pandering to nervous Americans, and foreign investors, touting some outrageous spending program that would only make a temporary down-turn worse, like both Obama and our Hillary!

    Believe me, once our Hillary or Obama is able to claim the nomination at the other’s expense – completely alienating the other’s supporters – McCain will be the obvious choice for President to the majority of voters!

  32. #267813
    On March 17th, 2008 at 10:05 pm, beenthere said:

    McCain will be the obvious choice for President to the majority of voters!

    Maybe, but the way things are going I think it is absolutely impossible to give any candidate the edge. Even if Barack&Hillary to a Kilkenny cat number on each other, I wouldn’t put is past McCain to find a way to lose. People need to understand the McCain is not a Republican — he is founder and sole member of th McCain Party who believes anything that he persuades himself of at the moment. He knows nothing of economics — he has stated at least twice publicly that he wishes he knew some economics. Don’t we all, John. His vanity and contempt for anyone who disagrees with him are legendary. He is not a strategic thinker — he gets what he wants by bluster and bullying. Given the state of the nation, he will find himself speaking loudly and carrying a very small stick, and that is not the road to an effective presidency. In short, he is a disaster waiting to happen. His victory would indeed be Bush’s third term. At least with Barack or Hillary, the disaster will fall on the Dem’s heads. It is then remotely possible the Republican will purge themselves of their RINO losers and be an effective political force once more. Should there be a country for them to lead, of course, come 2012.

  33. #267822
    On March 17th, 2008 at 10:28 pm, Dimsdale said:

    “Political practicalities” means rolling over and playing dead, and hiring Juan Hernandez to urinate on your cooling corpse.

    I think political practicalities are going to collide with political realities.

  34. #267827
    On March 17th, 2008 at 10:39 pm, Chief1942 said:

    As a former registered Republican I can only look at the GOP today and shake my head in total amazement. We supposidly elect bright people to political office. The GOP had the Congress and the White House and still the Democrats ran roughshod all over them. Now as the minority party they seem to think that their only salvation is to look and perform more like Democrats. I really do not know what they are smoking but they should give it up. There is little if anyone worth trying to salvage from the current lot. If John McCain is the best they can do as their standard bearer they are beyond redemption.
    This nation’s core is still strong and durable. It can survive another Democratic presidency and Democratically controlled Congress if that is it’s fate. It will simply be that much harder to right all the wrongs that will occur in that scenario, but it is not beyond the capability of mainstreet Americans when they have finally had enough. Hang on it’s going to be a rough ride!

  35. #267830
    On March 17th, 2008 at 10:47 pm, Jim M. said:

    McCain cannot actually believe what he is saying. He was the recipient of a stunning defeat of Shamnesty and Shamnesty the sequel, even when they attempted to ram it through in secrecy.

    He claimed he “heard” the American people on the issue of illegal aliens, but now has qualified that recollection with the recollection that America wants a secure border first.

    So now he is morphing once again to claim that anti amnesty candidates have no chance of being elected?

    Watch out. McCain is setting the stage for another metaporphisis if he is elected President. We will see the same old amnesty proposal with McCain telling people this is what they wanted all along.

    In the general election, there needs to be a choice on the ballot for “none of the above”.

  36. #267835
    On March 17th, 2008 at 10:56 pm, Marshall Russ said:

    All of these Republican leaders around the country that are saying we should back McCain need to have an intervention with him. They need to make it clear to McCain that he needs to get to re-hab and join Liberals Anonymous. He is in total denial
    and needs to be confronted.

  37. #267839
    On March 17th, 2008 at 11:08 pm, RealImmigrantChick said:

    More reasons for me to never vote for McCain. Also, McCain strikes me as having the most stupid strategy in the world, he is staking his whole campaign on the Iraq War, not so much even the war against islamic jihadists. He just does not get it that the US is focusing on other issues. If he wins, it will be a miracle and only would testify to his opponents being more disliked than he. I look at McCain and hear him speak and he is out of touch with the American people, with today’s economy (or economy, period) and out of touch with the reality of needing the republican base. I guess he is betting on (as I see here too often) republicans being more afraid of BO or Hillary to elect him.

  38. #267849
    On March 17th, 2008 at 11:30 pm, Jim M. said:

    At CPAC, McCain noted that he had some work to do to unify the party. To date, he has done virtually nothing in that regard.

    What he has done is to dispatch his supporters to cow people into liking him. The messge that we all have to get behind McCain because he is the nominee appears to be the sum total of his unification efforts. “Unite, because you don’t have a choice”, ain’t exactly an outreach program.

    Just my observation, but McCain appears to be playing the role of emperor rather than candidate. He is “above” petty politics, and seems to assume that his nomination allows him to default to his original liberal bent.

    He is seriously underestimating his possible opponents, who will take the gloves off in the general election. He will need all the support he can muster, and if he waits until the general election people will remember his dilatory approach to keeping the promises he made at CPAC. While they may not vote for a democratic candidate candidate, they just may sit out this election altogether.

  39. #267866
    On March 18th, 2008 at 1:02 am, rightisright said:

    After Romney suspended his candidacy I said i will not, cannot vote for McCain…I have tried to accept that voting for him is the best for the country as much as I dislike and disrespect( I do respect his service to the country while in a Vietnamese prison) the man. But I can’t see it happening yet…and I don’t see him coming the conservative way, he thinks he is above it all…elitist jerk(cleaned that up just for you MM).

  40. #267909
    On March 18th, 2008 at 8:31 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    More trouble for the GOP

    BOO-FREAKIN-WHAAAAA

    When your base feels sold out – deal with it. The Repubs created this empathy. What is that saying? You reap what…

    I used to believe in the Repub party. I have been saying it for months. They want to play election politics. Well, this is just more proof. They are still looking for “electable people” instead of people the conservative base can get behind. When they forced John McCain on us, they lost the majority of their base. We will go to the polls voting for the lesser of two evils (maybe) and if he wins, the Repubs will claim victory. No, we will avoid a loss.

    As soon as these morons get a clue, we can get back to having conservatives in the Republican Party and I, for one, will be happy and can support them again.

  41. #267910
    On March 18th, 2008 at 8:41 am, Irish Rose said:

    Again, and I have asked this many times here at MM and have never received a response… who gets to define who is or is not “the base” of the Republican party? Who gets to define what is and what is not, “conservatism”?

    I grow rather tired of seeing those on the far right declare that they and they alone, represent. The pious demands that Mr. McCain pander to them or accept that the is going to be “punished”, are childish.

    As I’ve stated before and will continue to state, you folks on the far right do not represent the Republican party as much as you like to think that you do.

    The party is full of conservatives and moderates, far-right to center. Many Republicans are like myself, moderate conservatives (meaning that our basic political philosophy is conservative but we lean towards moderation on some issues, social issues for example).

    And the overwhelming majority of Republicans are religious, but not doggedly so. We resent having the bible-thumping howlers on the far-right derail any and all moderate candidates who are committed to bipartisan cooperation in Washington, because the candidate doesn’t cater to them.

    Those of you on the far right really need to develop some humility. Keep your pious principals if you like, nobody is going to try and talk you out of them… but get a clue: you don’t define “the base”, any more than you represent the whole of the Republican party.

    I’m sorry, but thats’ the way that it is.

  42. #267916
    On March 18th, 2008 at 8:55 am, Rinoalert said:

    Thank God for this site and its conservative commenters. Most conservative sites (including Hot Air) seem to have gone completely in the tank for St. John.

    The conservatives I know are still waiting for McCain to earn our support. He has done nothing but alienate the base since 2000 and relishes in doing so. He has a lot of public repenting to do.

  43. #267918
    On March 18th, 2008 at 9:03 am, Irish Rose said:

    On March 17th, 2008 at 10:39 pm, Chief1942 said:

    This nation’s core is still strong and durable. It can survive another Democratic presidency and Democratically controlled Congress if that is it’s fate. It will simply be that much harder to right all the wrongs that will occur in that scenario, but it is not beyond the capability of mainstreet Americans when they have finally had enough.

    No, it can’t.

    You obviously have no idea what the long AND short term consequences of a “Democratic presidency and Democratically controlled Congress” will be.

    All due respect, but if you honestly think that that the wrongs that would be created by such a scenario would be easily solved by mainstream Americans rolling up their sleeves, you clearly don’t understand the issues that are on the table.

    You can start with the lifetime liberal leftist appointments to the supreme court that the next Dem POTUS will be making, move on to rapid (and catastrophic) troop withdrawal in the middle east, a shredding of the National Security measures that have foiled every single terror attack attempt on US soil post 9/11, and work your way down the list from there.

  44. #267924
    On March 18th, 2008 at 9:24 am, Irish Rose said:

    On March 18th, 2008 at 8:55 am, Rinoalert said:

    Thank God for this site and its conservative commenters. Most conservative sites (including Hot Air) seem to have gone completely in the tank for St. John.

    Perhaps they’ve simply opened their eyes to the reality of the situation and are willing to do what must be done to have a system of checks and balances in Washington for the next four years, even if it seems personally distasteful.

    The conservatives I know are still waiting for McCain to earn our support. He has done nothing but alienate the base since 2000 and relishes in doing so.

    I assume that when you refer to “the base” here, you mean you and your conservative friends that think like you do. Correct? Has it ever occurred to you that you may not actually BE “the base”?

    He has a lot of public repenting to do.

    To whom, and for what?

    The man has a very high favorability rating among Republicans, according to the latest Pew research poll. He didn’t become our nominee through force or deception, R, he won the nomination through a legitimate electoral process.

  45. #267936
    On March 18th, 2008 at 9:38 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    On March 18th, 2008 at 8:41 am, Irish Rose said:
    Again, and I have asked this many times here at MM and have never received a response… who gets to define who is or is not “the base” of the Republican party?

    Well, obviously, you do Irish Rose.

    So, someone who is far right has no clue. I am as far right as they come but I am not unhinged. Have you not been paying attention? Do you think the Republican base is made up of “far right wing nut jobs”? Sadly, you are the one who does not get it. You think I, and people like me, can’t bend? No! What upsets me (and millions like me) is the idea that we must bend and to what end. If you think conservatism is defined by being out where I am, you are sadly mistaken because I am the exception to most every rule. You want the very definition. HA, talk about unhinged! Where is every line drawn? Is that the question you want answered? Go ahead, you define the lines but don’t think for one second you will get by with your definitions without opposition.

    It is safe to say that I agree with Michelle on most issues (if not all). Do I think she should be like me? Nope. I do not think anybody should be like me and I do not want to be like her. I love Ann Coulter but there are a lot of conservatives that do not. So, which of us should jump ship because we do not fit YOUR idea of the “conservative mold”?

    Talk about pious? If I do not fit your idea of a mold or we cannot answer your question; “who gets to define the mold?” we are somehow PIOUS? Come down off of your high horse and let me be a part of the conservative party – faults and all.

  46. #267956
    On March 18th, 2008 at 10:00 am, Rinoalert said:

    I assume that when you refer to “the base” here, you mean you and your conservative friends that think like you do. Correct? Has it ever occurred to you that you may not actually BE “the base”?

    Yes, I have gone so far as to say we Reaganites are the RINOs now. The only two conservative victories in the last year have been killing amnesty in the Senate by facing down our party and causing chaos in the Democrat primaries.

    We will still fight for conservative causes and if that means keeping McCain and his back-stabbing ilk out of office, then so be it.

    Bush has shown we cannot defeat liberalism by getting along with it. McCain is the master traitor at this because he hates the conservative base.

  47. #268110
    On March 18th, 2008 at 11:34 am, mngirl said:

    #21 elpresidente:

    Who is running in Tancredo’s seat in Colorado?

    Can he make sure that seat stays in conservative hands?

  48. #268211
    On March 18th, 2008 at 12:44 pm, Ron Rockstar said:

    On March 18th, 2008 at 8:41 am, Irish Rose said: I’m sorry, but thats’ the way that it is.

    Excuse me, but that is just your opinion. So let me help you get a clue. If you moderates don’t need us conservatives I hope you enjoy President Obama.

  49. #268222
    On March 18th, 2008 at 12:49 pm, Irish Rose said:

    On March 18th, 2008 at 9:38 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    On March 18th, 2008 at 8:41 am, Irish Rose said:
    Again, and I have asked this many times here at MM and have never received a response… who gets to define who is or is not “the base” of the Republican party?

    Well, obviously, you do Irish Rose.

    So, someone who is far right has no clue. I am as far right as they come but I am not unhinged.

    I asked a general question.

    At what point did it become personal with you?

  50. #268241
    On March 18th, 2008 at 12:58 pm, Irish Rose said:

    On March 18th, 2008 at 12:44 pm, Ron Rockstar said:

    If you moderates don’t need us conservatives

    “you moderates”… “us conservatives”.

    Well, thanks for providing a very clear example of why the Republican party is having such a problem right now.

  51. #268294
    On March 18th, 2008 at 1:57 pm, Ron Rockstar said:

    Irish Rose. You are playing politics. This is not a football game. Conservatives don’t want just anybody with an (R) after there name in the Whitehouse. I personally do not want to just win the Whitehouse to claim victory for the (R)s. Screw that. And I also don’t want to build consensus with people in my party who claim to be fiscally conservative and socially liberal. As far as I am concerned the two are not compatible. and your quote:

    Well, thanks for providing a very clear example of why the Republican party is having such a problem right now.

    It’s not because of people like me. It is because of people like John McCain and his followers (I am assuming you) who keep wanting liberals to like them. You may be in the wrong party. John McCain sure is.

  52. #268467
    On March 18th, 2008 at 4:54 pm, Irish Rose said:

    On March 18th, 2008 at 1:57 pm, Ron Rockstar said:

    Irish Rose. You are playing politics. This is not a football game.

    No, I’m not playing politics. I am saying that we have a two party system, and the (D)s and (R)s behind the names of our legislators are the two letters that we use to set government policy. You’re either in the majority or the minority, depending on what letter follows your name. We don’t have subcategories.

    Conservatives don’t want just anybody with an (R) after there name in the Whitehouse. I personally do not want to just win the Whitehouse to claim victory for the (R)s. Screw that.

    Then I will say again that you have not carefully considered what will happen to this country if you put someone with a (D) behind their name in the White House and legislators with (D)’s following their names in charge of the Senate. Either that, or you simply don’t care.

    Far too many conservatives these days are thinking that we should just put the Dems in charge of all the choices in Washington and “let them suffer the consequences”. A biblical solution, if you will.

    I’m sure that that would happen, but in reality it is you and I and our loved ones who will pay the consequences. The catastophic fallout would destroy American life as we know it, for generations to come.

    You put a socialist Dem in the White House and allow Dems to take control of the Senate, effectively removing the checks and balances that are necessary for restraint, there will be so much damage done to the fabric of our economy and government structure that we’ll never – ever – be able to repair it. Once its’ gone, it’s going to be gone for good.

    If you think otherwise, you’re only deluding yourself.

    And I also don’t want to build consensus with people in my party who claim to be fiscally conservative and socially liberal. As far as I am concerned the two are not compatible.

    I think you’d probably find a lot of Republicans in OUR party who disagree with you on this particular issue, and thank goodness for that.

    For example: I believe that fiscal conservatism is important… but not in a way that compromises the wellbeing of those among us who are elderly, sick, poor and vulnerable.

    For far too many Republicans, “fiscal conservatism” means pulling the rug out from under critical government programs that are absolutely vital to the survival of many of our poorest and most vulnerable citizens.

    Yes, the system is broken and some significant changes must take place in order to fix it. But I happen to think that overhaul of existing programs is the best solution, not elimination of programs.

    Another example: I don’t support the idea of socialized medicine, but I’m capable of understanding that our healthcare system as we know it, is broken. Privatized health care plans are not the answer.

    There are far too many people who are forced to go without health insurance because they have to choose between paying their premiums and surviving, and something MUST be done to correct this. No American should have to make a choice between being healthy and surviving… and that includes the working poor.

    At the age of 45, I was thrust back into the job market after a 20 year absence to provide for my children and myself single-handedly. It couldn’t have happened at a worse time: the job market in Michigan is so miserable right now, that even part time jobs are hard to come by even for skilled workers. I’ve not been covered for health insurance for the last four years. I have health problems that require maintenance and medication that I have not been able to afford, and my health has declined significantly. My children and I have been living well below the poverty line for some time now, and the experience has made me a bit more of a realist than many fellow Republicans.

    This is what I mean when I suggest that a lot of Republican voters are conservatives but lean towards moderation on many issues. We have to put people into office in Washington who have proven themselves capable of bipartisan dialogue, or we will continue to exist in a state of political deadlock where nothing ever changes.

    Do I like John McCain? Not particularly. Do I think that he is the perfect candidate to represent the Republican party? No. Do I think that he needs to change some of positions on issues like immigration? Heck, yes. But the days between now and November are growing short, and that work can be done by his advisors AFTER he is elected.

    To put it bluntly, we can’t afford four to eight years of socialist governance while we wait for the perfect Republican candidate to put in an an appearance.

    Over the course of the next six months it is absolutely imperitive that we unify as a party, and stand behind our candidate – imperfections and all – or the worst case scenario will become a tragic and devestating reality.

    Apologies to Michelle for the rambling dialogue.

  53. #268508
    On March 18th, 2008 at 5:56 pm, mytake said:

    Get rid of Ensign! He must not be inspiring candidates. This is his failure. Bring back Newt!

  54. #268529
    On March 18th, 2008 at 6:30 pm, md1964 said:

    With McCain, Hillary and Hussein as the three Presidential Candidates..the chances of a Real Republican are Zero.

    McCain is NOT a republican no matter what letter they bracket beside his name. He has to be on the dole of the mexican Gov’t or the drug cartels. Those two entities will be the big winners no matter which one of those is president.

  55. #268543
    On March 18th, 2008 at 7:00 pm, Irish Rose said:

    “He has to be on the dole of the mexican Gov’t or the drug cartels”.

    Can you provide any factual support for this statement, 1964? If you can’t, then its’ nothing more than speculative… and borderline slanderous, IMO.

    McCain is NOT a republican no matter what letter they bracket beside his name.

    Suggest you actually review his public voting record.

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