Busy day ahead for the anti-war mob; Update: Bush speaks, protesters obstruct; Update: Milwaukee recruitment center vandalized; Update: D.C. recruiting office attacked
Update 3/19 5:20pm Eastern: Via F/R, the 14th and L recruiting station in D.C., which has been targeted multiple times by anarchist thugs, is under attack again.
Update 3/19 3:02pm Eastern. Jonn Lilyea reports on the DC moronic convergence.
Update 3/19 1:30pm Eastern. Milwaukee recruitment center vandalized. More bragging here.
The damage:
Update 3/19 10:38am Eastern: Via USAT, here are excerpts of President Bush’s speech marking the 5th anniversary of the invasion of Iraq…”No one would argue that this war has not come at a high cost in lives and treasure – but those costs are necessary when we consider the cost of a strategic victory for our enemies in Iraq. If we were to allow our enemies to prevail in Iraq, the violence that is now declining would accelerate – and Iraq could descend into chaos. Al Qaida would regain its lost sanctuaries and establish new ones – fomenting violence and terror that could spread beyond Iraq’s borders, with serious consequences to the world economy.”
…And WaPo has the latest on the anti-war mob’s activities…
About 9 a.m., one black-clad group of eight sat down in the intersection at 17th and L streets NW, roping themselves together with rubber tubing and blocking traffic. Police were using boltcutters and other tools to separate them from each other and make arrests. The intersection was closed to traffic until shortly after 10 a.m. At that point, the protesters began marching east on L Street.
After congregating at McPherson Square and Franklin Square, the main groups of protesters moved to the Internal Revenue Service building, the headquarters of the American Petroleum Institute, and other locations they had selected. About 20 protesters were arrested when they tried to break through security barriers and block the entrance to the IRS office at 12th Street and Constitution Avenue NW.
At the IRS, some demonstrators wore white ponchos decorated with anti-IRS slogans. Members of the group said they planned to blockade the front of the building and prevent it from opening. They blame the agency for helping fund the war.
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Reader J. sends word that the professional protesters and puppeteers will be out in full force in Washington, D.C. Wednesday to mark the fifth anniversary of the invasion of Iraq. Given the still-unsolved Times Square recruitment center bombing and the escalating violence of the anti-recruiter mob, I hope the Capitol Hill and D.C. police are ready for this. A partial schedule of events:
Blockade the IRS at 8 am with War Resisters League, CODEPINK and friends at 12th and Constitution Ave. Help expose the real cost of war by shutting down the IRS first thing in the morning and making a clear statement to stop FUNDING war! Click here for more info. Email nycwrl@att.net to get involved with this action
Disrupt the War Profiteers with No War, No Warming, PeaceAction, Student Peace Action Network (SPAN), Campus Anti-War Network, and a whole host of student groups who are planning a variety of creative actions using nonviolent civil disobedience, mobile teams and delegations to offices in the K St. Corridor.
Self-Guided Monopoly Board Walking Tour will provide opportunities to creatively communicate with the War Profiteers in the K St. Corridor Exxon Mobil, Chevron, Shell, Halliburton, Lockheed Martin, Bechtel, the IMF/World Bank, the American Enterprise Institute, and lobbyists and lawyers for many, many more!
Separate Oil and State at the American Petroleum Institute in the early morning with No War, No Warming. Help create a People’s Green Zone in front the American Petroleum Institute. Big Oil pours millions into political campaigns and lobbying, helped get us into Iraq, is keeping us there in a planned long-term occupation and is obstructing the shift to a clean energy economy. Our Green Zone will highlight our opposition but also our commitment to building a future built upon wind, solar and other urgently-needed clean energy sources. Nonviolent civil disobedience, street theatre, creative props and leafleting and more! Click here for more info. Email info@nowarnowarming.org to get involved with this actions.
Veterans March for Peace will gather on the Mall at 7th Street at 9 AM. They will begin their march around 10 am and proceed to the American Indian Museum, several sites on Capitol Hill, the National Archives, Justice department and more, culminating with creative acts of civil resistance at the White House and Veterans Administration. Click here for more info and the call to action. Email tkauff@hvc.rr.com to get involved in this action.
Critical Mass: Kick the Oil Addiction that Fuels the War. We will ride around the city focusing on specific areas that support the war as well as riding by other actions to show our solidarity. We will meet in Dupont Circle at 5:30 pm and leave around 6pm. Please come with costumes or signs about no oil.
Granny Peace Brigade Knit-In: The Grannies will as they knit stump socks for soldiers returning from Iraq & Afghanistan with amputated limbs to draw attention to this virtual epidemic among Iraq veterans.and the lack of care provided our veterans.
Funk the War: Student Power Dance Party Against Empire with Students for a Democratic Society, Baltimore Algebra Project, and Our Spring Break in a dance party in the streets, touring the war profiteers, recruiters and media sites in the K St corridor. Click here for more info. Email jaberger1213@gmail.com to get involved.
March of the Dead with Activist Response Team (A.R.T.) and other activists who join us will imagine what would happen if the dead, civilian and military, return to enter Washington to seek justice for the crimes committed in Iraq and Afghanistan because of U.S. foreign policy. In death masks, all in black, some wearing the name of someone killed, others with statistics measuring the scale of the tragedy, we will proceed through the city in small groups riding the metro, walking the streets and haunting the periphery of the other actions. We will then converge at a given time all-together to make the long march for justice with stops at the State Department, Justice Department and Supreme Court culminating with acts of civil resistance. We want to make this a very powerful presence so we are encouraging large numbers of people to join us. Contact: arrestbush@gmail.com if you are interested in participating in this action.
End Torture - Drive the War Criminals from Office! Join World Can’t Wait in acts of civil resistance. Gather in LafayettePark at 1:30 pm in an action against torture. Join with people in a sea of orange jumpsuits in solidarity with and representing those that are being tortured in Guantanamo Bay Prison, Abu Ghraib, Bagram in Afghanistan, and CIA “black sites” around the globe. A demonstration showing that waterboarding is torture is planned directly in front of the residence of the biggest war criminal in history. For more info, go to worldcantwait.org. Contact dc@worldcantwait.org to get involved with this action.
Die In at the CAT office on K St. Meet at 12:30 at 1445 K St. Demonstrate your opposition to U.S. foreign policy in Gaza and highlight the connections between the occupations of Iraq & Palestine. Organized by the Coalition for Justice & Accountability. Email oelmasri@gmail.com to get involved in this action.
The Silenced Majority Speaks: Through a number of permitted sites including McPherson Square (15 & K Streets NW), Lafayette Park, Farragut West and other areas around the Capitol, as well as organized marches and creative affinity groups activities people express their desire for true democracy, liberation and justice. We will call for respect of our basic political freedoms and rights while we show our disdain for the state of our union.
Surprise Media Actions! Depending on coverage earlier in the day will help determine our afternoon actions! The media has continued to stand by our warmongering president and Congress by refusing to conduct proper investigative reporting, withholding information, and giving scant coverage to voices opposed to the war. If they don’t come to us, we will go to them. Check in at the Public Assembly in McPherson Sq.
March on the DNC Headquarters! Gather at Reflecting Pool on the West side of the Capitol at 5:00 PM and march with pots and pans in a cacophony of resistance to the Democratic National Committee Headquarters. We want the Democrats to know~~-we hold them accountable for the death, destruction and lies, what kind of change and experience we want and that we will continue to take action and intervene in their business until our call for peace is honored and all of our troops come home. Email dc@5yearstoomany.org for more info.
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They have got everything covered except “nuke gay whales” !
No wonder 4% unemployment is considered FULL employment.
just as I thought, the demonstrators are dedicated right down to their wallets.
Now when they break the laws will the government uphold the laws…that is the question. Looks like a great time and place to put most of this crap to bed, once and for all…com on Jorge protect government property and the citizenry.
Saying these people have too much time on their hands would be redundant considering the schedule of events.
Do they take their vactions to do this?
“Mom, Dad, can we go to Disneyland on vacation this year?”
“No, we’re going to protest anything we can think of in Washington.”
“But we do that every year. Why can’t we do something fun for a change?”
“Young man-you will learn non-violent civil disobediance and like it!”
“And go bash some recruiters windows while you’re at it.”
Nothing drives home the liberal message, “Hey, hey, USA, how many Iraqi babies have you killed today,” like a quality puppet show.
If these guys have such an antipathy towards oil, why don’t they just stop using it? No riding, no heat, no clothes, no food, sounds like a liberal’s dream.
Interesting. As IF any of these morons actually PAY taxes? If they have all day to protest, they have no time to work.
Oh yeah, I forgot, they’re probably on Soros’ payroll.
I thought Congress is “on recess” until March 31…? As for me, I support PEACE in DC - Protesters Go Home! jb
Just curious, does Medja(incorrect spelling?) Benjamin, the leader of the “Code Pink” crew get paid for that, or does she do it for free from the bottom of her liberal heart? I mean, after all, if she spends so much freakin’ time running her little protests, when does she have time to earn income? Just wondering…or will they whine that I am questioning their patriotism?(sarcasm)
Michelle, I caught the C-Span 2 rerun of your appearance at Oberlin college promoting your book ‘Unhinged’. You did a great job of dealing with the question from the moonb(r)ats in the audience. I could sense their anger rising as you dealt with them in a calm, reasoned manner.
I hope there will be a lot of people who support our troops and love their nation there to counter protest these idiots. I would be there if I could, but unfortunately I can’t. I think it is funny they are handing out leaflets about cleaning up the enviroment. I ask you what happens to leaflets handed out on street corners?
Please don’t give them any ideas. I don’t want to see any of them naked. *shutters*
Free Republic and DC Protest Warriors will be at 14th and L recruiting station all day.
Berkeley Recruiting Station will be manned by Free Republic
Chapel Hill, NC Recruiting Station will be manned by Eagles UP! and Gathering of Eagles.
Rooinctown, I have a feeling they think about the wayward leaflets about as much as ELF worries about the toxic fumes that get released whenever they torch an SUV
umm.. did I miss something? How does that expose anything, other than these people are idiots?
Oh really?
I’m sorry, are you calling it civil disobedience or civil resistance? Please make up your mind, just so we can be aware of the politically correct term for a bunch of a55hats.
No, you’re thinking of leprosy..
You’re clearly getting better at mocking yourselves..
So you admit supporting terrorism now?
Rephrase: we will once again demonstrate our policy of ‘do as we say, not as we do’.
Dear authorities, I am sure these individuals would appreciate a water cannon to cool them off with all their strenuous activities…
There will be more cameramen and reporters there, than protesters. Of course, to the MSM, 10 people equal 100. By the time they add up all 50-60 serious protesters, it will be reported that “thousands” demonstrated “against Bush”.
Who is paying for all this? It must cost millions of dollars, and the MSM, sits, on it collective ( heh, heh, heh!) arse and refused to follow the money….maybe CAIR and all those Muslim” charities?”
We are at war, and our social and political institutions cover their eyes and ears in the name of diversity and political correctness. Madness and insanity!
George Soros of course. The man who bought the Democratic party.
So, Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin, Tojo, and Hitler were less criminal?? Their followers would be greatly pleased to know this.
Incredible.
Love the part about riding around to protest using oil. Rates right up there with Algore protesting carbon emmissions by flying a private jet all over the place.
Don’t forget that murderous ba$tard, Che…
Must be nice to just roam around the country, not work, and have thousands of morons send you money for which you do nothing except try to disrupt the lives and businesses of people who actually contribute to the economy and the social stability of this country.
If I ever become one of these idiots, just shoot me.
A few fo us patriots plan on visiting our local recruiters office today to say thanks and drop off coffee and donuts. We plan on spending the morning in their parking lot talking about the weather while inspecting our baseball bats.
the media will be there no doubt.
funny i can find NO MSM reports of our March down constitution ave this past sat.
Yawn, I’m bored. Can I find someone to pay for my time & travel to go around & make a fool of myself? I think I have a pink t-shirt somplace!
sarc/off
fox is already covering the DC protest…
a.) ‘In full force’ mean how many people?
b.) The weather forecast here for today is for less than balmy conditions. It’ll be interesting to see the turnout in light of this.
Sounds more like a Global Warming hysteria day with a little Stop the War thrown in by looking at the list of events. With it being “Spring Break” for the wild, crazy, and brain washed college kids I wonder how many will put off their hedonistic trips to the hot party spots to engage in binge drinking and promiscuous sex to take part in this performance art. My guess is most will not.
I would love to see the DCPD bust some heads when they get out of line and start to break things, threaten innocent bystanders or counter protesters. The reason most of this self absorbed aging hippies and their young unwashed disciples behave the way they do is they were never given boundaries by their parents and so they don’t understand when they have gone too far. Like all unruly children they just need a good spanking (hand cuffed, arrested, charged with treason and sedition and if they resist a little pepper spray in their drug glazed eyes) along with some time out punishment (in a nice damp concrete jail cell). Should be an interesting day!
Too bad I can’t get away from work today to visit with and thank our military recruiters in Boise, but with the Air Combat Command Inspector General Operational Readiness Inspection going on at my location we are just a little too busy to take time off. As I like to say we have to protect our phony baloney jobs along with our Wing Commander’s too. For those going out to counter protest, STAY SAFE!
I see from a live feed from FOX, some protesters being arrested in NW. The surrounding number of protesters leaves me somewhat less than awed.
Note that they can demonstrate water boarding (and do an actual live demonstration of it) and walk away from it? I wonder if they would be willing to demonstrate some of the Islamic methods of torture on one another (you know the whole disemboweling a live person or cutting off their fingers one little digit at a time)?
dammit, i was supposed to be off today. now i won’t be able to get to 14th and l till after 4. i’m sure the excitement will all be over by then.
i feel like dante in ‘clerks.’ “i’m not even supposed to be here today!!!!” lol
ummm…The IRS has no authority to fund or un-fund the war. They are charged (regretably) with collecting taxes, not spending them. So how is protesting there somehow meaningful?
moonbattery and asshattery kinda go together, don’t they?
How DO they find the time? I guess they don’t have jobs…oh, that’s right, it’s Spring Break!
Absolutely disgusting.
Exploiting our wounded American heroes for political gain.
“How do they find the time?” A partial answer to this is in a conversation I overheard while taking a noontime walk in front of the WH. As I recall, ANSWER and some other like folks were there and a woman, holding a toddler, was talking to an otherwise lonely ANSWER person, telling her she was a ‘floater’, that is she traveled from protest to protest.
The idea that the college crowd consider waterboarding as horrible torture cracks me up. These are the people that regularly post jackass style videos of themselves skateboarding into walls, lighting their butts on fire and after-school beatings. Yeah, just the people to make sound judgements on interrogation methodology.
Listen. Music. Dance little liberal, dance.
We all know that the leftists are much happier when people are living under cruel dictatorships.
It offends them when people are free to determine their own destiny via democracy, when people are free to live their lives as they choose.
These leftists are the enemy, plain and simple. Even though many of them are dupes and simpletons, they still have chosen to be on the side of evil.
Not to mention the piercing of lips, eyebrows, noses, and tongues ! We should just put up a neon “Tattoo & Piercing” sign at Guantanomo… That would shut them all up!
You can spot this group by the Horse and Buggy they are using for transport.
When the pro war and anti-choice protesters hit DC, people leave comments about them fighting the good fight.
When the shoe’s on the other foot, clearly these people are unemployed and don’t pay taxes and are seditious. What a stupid double standard.
I work off of McPhereson Square in a building with some firms that, according to their itinerary, will be targeted. Haven’t noticed anything out of the ordinary yet other than heightened building security.
bicycles dummy. This group is a serious problem in NYC and SF on a regular basis.
I do wish these people saved their protests for tomorrow. Could have used it as an excuse to stay home and watch the tournament.
It is supposed to rain this afternoon (in D.C.) - which is perilously similar to taking a bath. Bathing is to hippies what a crucifix is to a vampire.
Actually they aren’t “anti-war” protestors, they are “pro-terrorist” protestors. Ironically, the war they support is the war the terrorists have declared against them.
“The Silenced Majority Speaks:”
So they know a counter-protest is planned.
They are specifically protesting the invasion of Iraq. To call them “pro-terrorist” is ridiculous.
This may surprise you, but a majority of Americans no longer support this failed war. Are they pro-terrorist too?
Oh Lord, Deja Vu, again.
See comparison of how, how not to do war here.
Of all the very real and serious reasons to forever shut down the IRS (I’m a flat taxer), the cost of war isn’t one of them.
Sorry Rusty, but they are pro-terrorist. It may be ridiculous, but it’s a fact.
“You” are not a majority of Americans.
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The war hasn’t failed - despite your best efforts.
The majority of Americans support the war against the terrorists wherever they may be.
Don’t try dragging down the majority of Americans to your level.
- Rusty
I don’t think they’re unemployed, don’t pay taxes, or are seditious. I do think they’re painfully misinformed, lack historical perspective, and many would prefer to see the USA burn than see us succeed in Iraq.
Stupid hippies!
Yashmak, your respectful disagreement is noted, but many other commenters here do think they’re seditious, unemployed, or aren’t paying taxes.
Of course, if someone were to lob those accusations at the Gathering of Eagles, the commenters would be in a tizzy.
The double standard is there. If you don’t assemble for something we support, then something is wrong with you.
Wish Ads/The Media Asked: “Do you want these people between your family and terrorists??”
James Greenidge
Queens NY
(Regime changing Iraq was a street-wise move because how long do you think Afghanistan would last all alone in a region of lions after we left there?)
The only double standard here comes from Rusty - as usual, and as expected.
What are you talking about? You didn’t see me wringing my hands when the Gathering of Eagles protested or during the annual March For Life or regarding the many protests that happen here that are too liberal for my tastes.
But thanks for making a statement with absolutely nothing to back it up. At least tell me where I’m coming up with a double standard. Just saying something to attack someone is ridiculous.
JHSII supports the *insert crazy/stupid thing here*…as usual and as expected.
See! That wouldn’t make sense!
In what way has this war failed?
And SOME Americans may no longer support this war but it may not be for the reasons you think.
Are you prepared to think of what will happen to those Iraqis who have turned against the terrorists and are supporting the troops or have signed up to become a member of the IP? Are you prepared to deal with what happens to their families?
Cut and run. The war has failed - is the mantra we continually hear from the Left. But you fail to diagnose what will happen to the Iraqi people if we give you what you want…surrender. We are pulling back our forces and are getting the Iraqis trained so they can take care of securing their country. However, that isn’t good enough for you.
Just one other thing. Nobody here is “pro-war” supporting those who stand up and fight for our freedoms is a noble thing. If you cannot understand that, then there isn’t any hope for you.
“signed up to become a member of the IP?”
Should read Iraqi Army.
Beautifully said, 30 pcs of Silver #56.
It’s like the Jeep advertisement: For Rusty and his ilk, it’s an American thing–you wouldn’t understand.
Thanks - FirstSkirt.
That’s damn fine advertisement too.
Oh spare me. We’ve killed thousands upon thousands of innocent Iraqi lives. Are you prepared to think about what would have happened to them if we hadn’t invaded? We’re killing Iraqis at a rate that the Saddam Hussein could have only dreamed of. Al-Queda, which had no presence in Iraq before 2003, is now thriving in the Middle East. And this invasion has had the unintended effect of strengthening and emboldening Iran. To top it all off, we’ve forever sullied our reputation in Iraq through torture and debasement.
The only way to win is to stay in Iraq indefinitely. When we leave, Iraq will devolve into a chaos of our own making. It’s inevitable.
As for “some Americans may no longer support this war…” No. It’s most Americans. They see the writing on the wall as well as I do. We sacrificed American and Iraqi lives and we will have nothing to show for it.
That being said, everyone can at least take comfort that the protest was a bust. Only a few hundred people showed up and the streets are mostly quiet.
washingtonpost.com has an article with interviews of a soldier, an Iraqi politician, a Bush loyalist, and, of course, a student protestor.
Why must we constantly hear what college students have to say? They receive far more attention than they are worth, and consistently embarrass themselves as close-minded, intolerant, and ignorant, prone to emotional outbursts instead of considered logical thought, all of which are the total opposite of the values which a liberal (in the classic sense) education is supposed to instill. Nevermind the fact that the vast majority of them fail to vote when the opportunity presents itself, proving yet again that they are all talk, unless it comes to some sort of “symbolic action” which accomplishes nothing. Today’s college students are spoiled brats, with inflated egos thanks to lame-ass university directors who constantly aquiesce to their idiot “symbolic” protests, and journalists who are so terrified of growing old themselves that they ceaselessly search out the voices of morons.
I’m tired of the idiot emotional responses we must constantly read about from our vaunted college campuses.
They are headed for a recruiting station here in Atlanta today, this following a group of grannies of got arrested at that recruiting station on Monday for protesting.
The good news is we have rain pedicted so maybe this thing will just fizzle out.
Sorry, folks, this isn’t the peaceable assembly, the right for which is guaranteed in the First Amendment. This is anarchy. Time to arrest, prosecute, and freeze the funds of the organizers.
We didn’t kill thousands of innocent Iraqi’s, and even they know who is doing the killing. It is the psycopathic jihadists who wish to live in a world filled with fear and death. If people can’t figure out who is doing the killing and who is doing the dying then they need to excuse themselves from any sort of discussion regarding Iraq.
#55 rusty trolled:
Nice projection here from rusty the troll.
Care to try to refute what I actually posted?
Really? When they make seditious statements like “we support the troops when they shoot their officers”, and hoist signs praising the 9/11 attacks, the Al Qaeda and the Taliban, what the hell got lost in the translation?
This may come as a shock, but the defeat you and your leftie buddies salivated for, never materialized.
The Taliban and Al Qaeda are being beaten to a pulp. They’ve been reduced to using children and old women as homicide bombers in neighborhood food markets. The Afghans and Iraqis have turned against the Islamic extremists and are taking an active part in the building of their respective infrastructures.
As for this BS:
Most, if they have any firing neurons, will actually listen to the bulk of those who were deployed, and who are still there, instead of swallowing the pablum served up by the leftwing MSM conglomerate.
Those types are not ‘terrorists’, just clueless and pathetic.
Others like you, who are Cindy Sheehan sycophants, are.
somehow, this group of knuckleheads thinks rioting will endear people to their cause.
at this rate, McCain doesn’t even have to pay for advertising in the upcoming general election.
And in post #60, we have rusty the troll posting the same old long-discredited terrorist propaganda.
Rusty,
I agree that not all anti-war protests are seditious. However, many of them have drifted into that territory.
For every protest that has specifically (and illegally) tried to stop the military recruiters offices from performing their function, they have been seditious.
For the protests in Olympia where they were stopping trucks and trying to sabotage train rails that supply the military, they have been seditious.
To point at Code Pink and the Gathering of Eagles and proclaim that they are the same but on polar opposites is not accurate.
There were not many pro-military ‘protests’ until we saw time and again the mischief that was being caused by Cindy Sheehan, Medea Benjamin, and the rest of Code Pink and their like.
By ironic contrast, most pro-military protests have been in response to the anti-war crowd and have by and large been peaceful.
I hear your beliefs on the war and you are certainly entitled to them; however, those beliefs as shared by others, are not a license to break the law or otherwise become a general nuisance. I believe that the ‘most’ Americans to whom you are referring would also be annoyed with these groups if they encountered them on the street.
it’s been a pretty quiet “war” recently. Are we sure we even want to say we are in a war anymore? It looks like one side got beat and has left the area. Sure there are some left behind who are in such an all fire hurry to go get their virgins that they will carry out sporadic acts, kind of like the anti war movement in this country, but if the trends continue I think we can quit using the word war and get on with the reconstruction.
Now if liberals want to contact whoever is in charge of Al Queda to sit down across a table from them and draft a formal letter of surrender well they are more then welcome to do so.
On March 19th, 2008 at 11:29 am, Rusty said:
No more so than when I consider what good things may have awaited the tens of thousands of children that have been and continue to be aborted in this country on a daily basis.
You’ll have to provide definitive, non-Soros backed proof of that, as the number of mass graves left by Saddam continue to mount.
All the more reason for us to continue a presence in Iraq on par with that which we have maintained in Japan and Germany since the `40’s.
Irrelevant. Polls change daily and turn on a dime.
We have saved far more Iraqi lives than we have taken, and we have given them the opportunity to live in freedom and self-determination. We have given them a chance to join the human race and know something besides the pestilence and sudden death of living under a murderous dictator and his sadistic offspring.
We do.
I already did, JHSII. You said I had some kind of double standard going on and I asked you to point out what that was. And you won’t. You’re debating me in bad-faith. As if saying I’m being inconsistent is the same as it being so.
sfcmac said:
No they aren’t. Al-Queda is weaker than they were a few years ago, but they’re in no danger of collapsing. And the Taliban is as strong as its been since our original invasion of Afghanistan.
Salt, you make a fair point when you say:
You are absolutely correct. However closing down a street with a protest qualifies as obnoxious, not seditious.
It is seditious to hope we lose this war. It’s pragmatic to say that it has already happened.
Even though casualties are down, there has been little-to-no political progress and anti-American forces are still in operation. How long can we stay until it’s no longer worth it? McCain offered 100 years. Is that really worth hundreds of American lives and thousands of Iraqi lives a year?
Two words: water cannon.
Rusty, you aren’t suggesting that our troops are targeting Iraqis are you? There is a great difference between unintended victims and those victims who were killed by Hussein and his sons for their sheer enjoyment. Furthermore, to suggest that every Iraqi who died was an innocent victim is a stretch wouldn’t you say? There are countless reports of Iraqis who are doing the unthinkable and are planting IEDs. Their lives are subsequently taken and to you they are innocent…
Spare me (!) the liberal talking points. I like to think you’ve graduated beyond this point.
Yes, of course. It’s all our fault. Iran never had any aspirations to cause us any harm or obtain nuclear weapons. This is all new news and is the direct result of the US invasion. Yawn.
What reputation Rusty? America the evil has been around forever. Besides, you throw out buzz words like “torture and debasement” when you only have one frame of reference - Abu Gharaib. Funny how Hussein gets a pass and our troops who are rebuilding Iraq are labeled murderers, baby-killers and death squads. While you sit under the enjoyment of their sacrifice and denigrate the memories of these men and women whose boots you aren’t worthy to tie. No respect for their sacrifice. We can sit here all day long and talk about what could have been or what shouldn’t have been done. What good does that do? We are in Iraq now and our troops are there making a difference. They Iraqi Army is being trained by the best. We do not cut and run. We do not tuck our tails and admit defeat when the enemy is being taken down or retreating.
Rusty,
no war ≠ peace
no war ≠ no death
more Iraqis died under sanctions than during a hot war.
are you prepared to think about the numbers of Iraqis the UN killed while trying to reach a political solution while you sat in the US peacefully eating?
and why do you never consider that Iraqis hate us more for allowing them to languish in such conditions for more than a decade until it because politically convenient for us?
have you ever considered that Iraqis may hate us for leaving them when they had the will to overthrow Saddam, but we pulled out and left them to be tortured and fill mass graves?
do you acknowledge there were HUNDREDS of mass graves found?
do you honestly believe in a country where 1 in 8 had family members fall victim to the Saddam regime that pictures from Abu Gharab are as disturbing as the torture these family members experienced?
Roping themselves together with rubber tubing?
I think I saw that in Looney Tunes Cartoon once. Is Wyle E. Coyote their event coordinator?
I posted:
And rusty trolled:
No rusty, you didn’t refute any of anything I’ve posted. The only “bad faith” here is from you. You are a liar and a troll, and I’m calling you on it.
You don’t like being treated as a liar and a troll, fine. Stop being a liar and a troll.
“We” are not killing Iraqis. The insurgents, terrorists, a–holes, whatever you want to call them, are the ones who target Iraqi civilians, in order to get the carnage on our tv screens to influence US public opinion.
Al-Qaeda learned the lessons of Vietnam and are fighting a media war as well (example: Zawahiri’s note to Zarqawi telling him to stop chopping off heads because it reflects badly on them in the media) as a combat war. Our leftist media, who refuse to take any position or report on anything that could be remotely considered “pro-US,” plays right into their hands.
These nutters love the smell of their own flatulence. They LIVE for protests, marches, “direct action,” civil “resistance,” drum circles, dopey papier mache puppets, smashing windows, vulgarity, and all of the hallucinogens they can handle. They spend their spare time coming up with new and creative ways to make fools of themselves. If there’s anyone who honestly deep down don’t want to see our involvement in Iraq end, it’s these people. Really! What were they doing before 2003? They were protesting globalization and supporting Mumia The Cop Killer. Nobody cares about that. The Iraq War has been a gift to them. President Bush has been a gift to them.
These are misfits, Red Diaper babies, and ne’er do wells who have found a place where they fit in and they do stuff that makes them feel not only productive but morally superior to anyone else who leads a normal life. If we didn’t have a culture that coddles them too much, I’d almost pity them.
I would be willing to pay airfare to anywhere in the world for three collaborator/traitors who, in return, renounce their American citizenship and promise never to return to this country. Memo to the collaborators: Protest your new muslim rulers and see what kind of response you get. I am even assuming you choose France or the Netherlands.
To us, yes. To Iraqis, maybe not. The end result is the same. Death of a loved one.
They are defending their country from a foreign invader that may have been responsible for the death of their loved ones. It’s not even close to “unthinkable.” Nationalism is a much stronger force than democracy in many places and we decided to walk right into it.
Ok. Calling me on something means that you have to provide evidence. “Troll” is easy enough. I get accused of that all the time and I expect it since I disagree with most of the things MM posts. I do it in as civilized a way as possible. Something you (and some others, ahem, Soap) have proven themselves incapable of.
A liar? Find something to prove it. How am I lying? Where am I lying? Are you really so angry at me that you need to resort to name-calling to make yourself feel better?
Fine, you want name-calling. You are, in my mind, a hopeless idiot until you find an iota of evidence that makes me a liar.
Being pro-war is fine and dandy. This comment thread plays out kind of like Thanksgiving with my family. I’m used to a vigorous debate when I am outnumbered by people I disagree with. But I am not used to your juvenile tactics.
Go back to the kids table and get out of my hair.
We need a debate on the bounds of this kind of behavior. The Constitution provides for protest and disagreement, not sedition. Those engaged in this behavior need to do serious jail time. Keep dropping the hammer and they will get the point. Any leadership willing to stand up? Oh well, never mind.
You have quite a few screws loose. I suggest you go and take care of it as this has to be the most trite, uninformed, one-sided rhetoric that I have ever heard. You ignore the fact that the Iraqis have sided with us. You ignore the fact that Iraqis are returning to their homeland. You ignore the fact that Iraqis can tell the difference between someone who means to help them (OUR TROOPS) from someone whose life mission is do them harm (TERRORISTS). Doesn’t making them seem stupid make you feel better about your position?
Does making them.
I posted:
and rusty trolled:
You provide the evidence right here in your response.
Quote again:
That is an outright lie. That you continue to make statements like that - attacking people like me (and others here) demonstrates that you are a troll.
No name-calling from me. That is yet another lie - on top of the one I just pointed out.
I never wanted nor want name-calling. That’s yet another lie by you.
I’m not the one regurgitating terrorist propaganda and expecting everyone else here to swallow it.
When you can think for yourself you’re welcome to return to the conversation…
I know and understand where Rusty is coming from. If foreigners were here killing people in my country I would feel similarly, especially if I had loved ones killed. But that’s where the moral equivalency (sp?) ends.
The Sunni (Al Qaida) were the preferred minority in the Sadaam era. Now they are the bottom rail. These Baathists, now Al Qaida, needed to be dealt with. Sadaam had no nukes but he had bought off the Euros and was near to starting back to work on his regional plans. He and the Iranians needed to be dealt with. He was the weakest opponent and therefore was the logical enemy for us to take out first.
The regional dynamics, tough as they are, are much more managable with Sadaam gone. Doing nothing in 2003 would have been unthinkable. Those who hoped for a Iraq-Iran adversarial strategy were dreaming. They would have become grudging allies against us and the West. Of course the western nations would have continued to sell out to the highest bidder.
What do the opinions of protesters and trolls matter? The U.S. Military supports this war overwhelmingly and the opinion of one patriotic serviceman means more to me than that of all of the moonbats combined.
Fox News is reporting re-enlistment rates that give the lie to one of the moonbat’s biggest fibs.
We could debate Sherman’s March to the Sea that ended the Civil War and the dropping of the bomb on Hiroshima that ended WWII in the Pacific here too and it would be equally as pointless. Hell, we could debate the Constitutionality of the Louisiana Purchase if we wanted to, but why?
Ahh, the greatest of ironies:
Let’s look at that again.
So the “Silent” are exercising their freedom to assemble and express how they should be allowed to assemble while they show their disdain for having the right to assemble.
BRILLIANT!
Here, my wife is currently engaged in her newsgroups and my kids are enthralled in Schoolhouse Rock so I’m feeling a little neglected and in need of attention.
So I’ll be the troll.
Puppies are bad. I hate them.
Oh, while also saying that no one listens to them or lets them assemble. FORGOT THAT PART.
Shutting down a street in Atlanta during the afternoon rush is not only foolish it can be fatal. Traffic is bad enough around here. You should have been here last summer when we had our guy on the construction crane that caused traffic to be tied up for a couple of days. The police finally went and got him when folks started showing up with guns and were going to “solve” the problem.
29Victor,
Puppies are not bad. They are good. I love them.
To prove it: my puppy just cost me close to $500 bucks in as many days. He is still with us…
On March 19th, 2008 at 12:41 pm, Godzilla #88.
Heh.
I love when they wear gags over their mouths and hold up signs like “you’ll never silence us!” when no one is even attempting to silence them and when they wear masks like they have to hide their identity for fear of reprisals.
They so badly want to feel oppressed. They want to feel brave & like they are the focus of government attention, instead of insignificant, which is what they are.
30 pcs of silver,
Puppies are bad! You are lying, you don’t own a dog. I’m a vet, I should know.
You are wasting your treasure on your puppy.
29Victor,
You play troll well. A little too well… hmmmm.
I am guessing you’re not really addressing that comment to me since I did not say that shutting down a street (unless it is a supply route for the military) was seditious. However, in most cases, it is illegal and I would not condone that neither.
That is still only your opinion and one likely shared by those conducting said seditious acts. Still doesn’t justify the behavior.
Really? I thought open elections would count as political progress.
Complete annihilation of anti-American forces was never an objective. Damaging their ability to operate effectively in the Middle East, and just as important, their ability to bring violence here to the U.S. has been successful. You yourself mentioned the killing of thousands. You don’t really believe they were all innocent bystanders?
I’m sure there are folks that said the same about Germany post-WWII.
Do you really believe that is what he meant when he said that? Really? That 100s of American lives and 1000s of terrorist lives would be spent for a century?
30 pcs of silver
Heh. I read a lot of Tolkien.
For the record: I love puppies and I’m not a vet. Well, not the kind of vet that fixes animals anyway.
And three really is a magic number.
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Wrong. Baathists and al-Queda were enemies. The only real terrorism connection for the Baathists was supporting Hamas. Which is by no means acceptable. Just not worth an invasion.
You ignore the fact that the Iraqis have sided with us.
You ignore the fact that Iraqis can tell the difference between someone who means to help them (OUR TROOPS) from someone whose life mission is do them harm (TERRORISTS).
awww…I love puppies…especially for dinner
29Victor,
You don’t need Tolkien. Spending time around here is plenty enough to brush up on how to troll. I hear it’s taking off - they are coming out with a “How to Troll for DUMMIES! Not that you need it.
…yet more terrorist propaganda from rusty the troll. Sigh.
Does it bother you that antiwar rhetoric has been shown, in a very well written paper from Harvard Economists, to embolden insurgents and increase attacks on our soldiers? Nah, I didn’t think it would.
You know Rusty, there was a time when your opinions would have really frustrated me, but I have come to the conclusion that ultimately opinions like yours really do not matter in the long run. I no longer let the rhetorical BS that comes out of the mouths of the uninformed, who haven’t a clue as to what is really going on in Iraq, bother me. You have proven yourself extremely ignorant on this thread as to the progress that has been and continues to be made. All you care to do is vomit your baseless, senseless, divisive propaganda and not even take into consideration the reports that we are getting from the front lines about the progress being made — heck some of those reports are even be made by liberals who visit there.
I will choose to continue to get my opinion on the way things are going by the people who live there and who are working and fighting side by side with the good men and women in Iraq everyday to create a positive change. It’s really too bad you can’t honor the sacrifices of those good people by at least acknowledging that progress is being made. Our military members and the Iraqi patriots are most impressive human beings, and I pray we stand beside them diligently as the Iraqis build the nation they want to have. It’s happening whether you choose to see it or not.
That’s right. I’m a terrorist. You have outed me. MM has been a great outlet for my propoganda since the caves got Wi-Fi.
BTW, I can hear the protesters outside my window now. I hope they don’t interfere with my lunch break.
You’re right. It doesn’t. I mean, it bothers me that the soldiers are in harm’s way in the first place. And it bothers me that you’re trying to guilt me out of my freedom of expression.
I see you haven’t taken my advice about those screws. Righty tighty. Lefty loosey.
I haven’t said that at all. Who gets to determine what is a great many? No hyperbole for me please - I’m full.
Besides, whose being naive? You who thinks that the Iraqis who were planting IEDs were doing it for political reasons and weren’t motivated by the money they were being paid or me who knows that in war there is such a thing as collateral damage and I believe, scratch that, I know that our military is doing and has done everything within their boundaries to ensure that that lessens. I’m bordering on call you cRusty. Don’t make me do it…
I hit send to soon.
You’ll get no act from me. Please rest assured that as far as I am concerned every last US Military man and woman is considered a hero in my book.
JHSII
Hey, at least he doesn’t eat trolls. At least not that I know of…
30 pcs of silver
Yeah, but Tolkien is handy because he tells you how to handle trolls. Avoid them if you can, and if you can’t; mess with them for a bit, shine on some sunshine and then and after they turn back into the stone from which they came, ignore them.
Ummmmm. Thanks? Trolling was easier than I anticipated. I just wrote in a way calculated to get the most responses, removed all rational thought from any of my statements and lied. Ya know, like a woman.
forgot this:
JHSII above “eat trolls” = “eat puppies”
I should just stop typing today.
Really? Is that why their numbers are dwindling to the point where they’re using fragile people like mentally retarded kids as bombers? Is that why the captured documents of dead Al Qaeda and Taliban leaders reflect desperate messages to whoever’s left out there to carry on the ‘jihad’?
Yeah, that’s why Ayman al Zawahiri is gonna come out with a video declaration of victory any day now.
You’re an ass, Rusty.
Lots of people on here, including me,are Iraq War vets. We saw first hand, the success ignored by the MSM and individuals who wanted nothing more than to see Bin Laden and company win.
A refresher for you leftie nutbags:
Hussein was a WMD-wielding megalomaniac who supported al Qaeda. He thumbed his nose at every resolution enacted by the U.N. including Res. 1441, which in conjunction with Congressional approval, gave us the authority to use military force. You ought to read it some time. I’m damned glad we took out the sonofabitch before he had the chance to use what he had.
Afghanistan, like Iraq, is just one more battlefield in the war against Islamofascism.
Newsflash, sweetpea: The Al Qaeda and Taliban would have crossed borders no matter where we struck back, which is why we should have leveled most of the Middel East on 12 September, 2001. But, I’m a former Soldier, not a politician.
You lefties never cease to amaze.
29Victor,
Ouch. I only lie when I have to.
Islams 20 year plan to take over America
Bin Ladens declaration of war on the USA
Tying yourselves together and sitting down in the street, arguing about surrendering in Iraq, wake up and see the big picture. These people are enemy sympathizers. It is all a distraction and don’t think these people wont be laughing when American blood is running in our streets.
Oh, and I’m not writing to anyone in particular, but I witnessed an anti-war rally last weekend, and they weren’t anti-war nearly so much as anti-military & anti-soldier.
They had pictures of what they claimed were injuries inflicted by our servicemen. One had a sign that said that “28% of female recruits are raped” (what does that have to do with the war), another sign read “I was just following ord