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		<title>By: The Dark Citadel » Blog Archive &#187; Second Amendment News</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/03/18/gun-rights-shootout-blogging-the-heller-case/comment-page-1/#comment-357027</link>
		<dc:creator>The Dark Citadel » Blog Archive &#187; Second Amendment News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Michelle Malkin pointed out back in March, SCOTUS has heard one of the largest cases in terms of precendent that they have looked at in a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Yashmak</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/03/18/gun-rights-shootout-blogging-the-heller-case/comment-page-1/#comment-270433</link>
		<dc:creator>Yashmak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, apparently they found that we have a right to own firearms that extends beyond those who are part of a militia.

It&#039;d by nice to see an update on this topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, apparently they found that we have a right to own firearms that extends beyond those who are part of a militia.</p>
<p>It&#8217;d by nice to see an update on this topic.</p>
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		<title>By: SpeakEasy</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/03/18/gun-rights-shootout-blogging-the-heller-case/comment-page-1/#comment-269235</link>
		<dc:creator>SpeakEasy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One only has to read the experiences of our troops in Iraq to understand you do not need rocket launchers and tanks to put up a good fight. In urban areas especially, a pistol can actually be an advantage over an M16. Shotguns too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One only has to read the experiences of our troops in Iraq to understand you do not need rocket launchers and tanks to put up a good fight. In urban areas especially, a pistol can actually be an advantage over an M16. Shotguns too.</p>
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		<title>By: Reformed Hippie</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/03/18/gun-rights-shootout-blogging-the-heller-case/comment-page-1/#comment-268786</link>
		<dc:creator>Reformed Hippie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Right to own arms is likely to pass Supreme Court muster...&lt;/strong&gt;

It looks like this decision is finally going to put a period, end of paragraph, end of chapter and end of book on the issue of whether or not the Constitution guarantees citizens the right to own guns.  Finally.
Americans have a right to own guns, Supr...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Right to own arms is likely to pass Supreme Court muster&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>It looks like this decision is finally going to put a period, end of paragraph, end of chapter and end of book on the issue of whether or not the Constitution guarantees citizens the right to own guns.  Finally.<br />
Americans have a right to own guns, Supr&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: graysonret</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/03/18/gun-rights-shootout-blogging-the-heller-case/comment-page-1/#comment-268757</link>
		<dc:creator>graysonret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some states, like Maryland, any male over the age of 18 is considered part of the &quot;militia&quot;.  I&#039;m not sure that Virginia&#039;s law is still in effect. I&#039;ll have to look. To say that it only applies to organized units, like police, national guard is wrong. All men were required to keep arms and respond when the need arose. A lot of the Revolution was fought with militias; called up, served a short period and went home, as well as the 1812 war. So, I hope that SCOTUS understands what the term &quot;militia&quot; means. I know one thing, criminals will think twice about crashing a home, if they knew a gun was inside. That&#039;s one thing the MSM refuses to report...all the criminals who are thwarted every day because the potential victim pulled a gun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some states, like Maryland, any male over the age of 18 is considered part of the &#8220;militia&#8221;.  I&#8217;m not sure that Virginia&#8217;s law is still in effect. I&#8217;ll have to look. To say that it only applies to organized units, like police, national guard is wrong. All men were required to keep arms and respond when the need arose. A lot of the Revolution was fought with militias; called up, served a short period and went home, as well as the 1812 war. So, I hope that SCOTUS understands what the term &#8220;militia&#8221; means. I know one thing, criminals will think twice about crashing a home, if they knew a gun was inside. That&#8217;s one thing the MSM refuses to report&#8230;all the criminals who are thwarted every day because the potential victim pulled a gun.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Soldier</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/03/18/gun-rights-shootout-blogging-the-heller-case/comment-page-1/#comment-268681</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Soldier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 03:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Founders knew their history.  Since the beginning of time-if those in power wanted to subjugate the population - the means to make or own weapons was taken away. 

The Hebrews had to go to Philistine blacksmiths because the Ps did not want the Hebrews to be able to make weapons.
1 Sam. 13

All dictators  have taken and will take the arms of people FIRST.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Founders knew their history.  Since the beginning of time-if those in power wanted to subjugate the population &#8211; the means to make or own weapons was taken away. </p>
<p>The Hebrews had to go to Philistine blacksmiths because the Ps did not want the Hebrews to be able to make weapons.<br />
1 Sam. 13</p>
<p>All dictators  have taken and will take the arms of people FIRST.</p>
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		<title>By: Regulus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regulus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 00:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;On March 18th, 2008 at 8:55 am, ACHefty said: 

It’s a very simple thing. Interpret the Amendment the way an English teacher would. Use the subject/predicate breakdown. The right … shall not be infringed. Thus, the “militia” is moot.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thanks for the laugh.  Suffice it to say that if you were a law student with that kind of reasoning, you wouldn&#039;t need to concern yourself about making the Order of the Coif (or passing the bar, for that matter).

Historically speaking, it is only comparatively recently that a &quot;militia&quot; (as opposed to a standing army) would&#039;ve had its weapons and equipment provided by the state.  And seeing how in the early days of our republic we had but a tiny standing army and depended heavily on the militia for local defense, it made sense for the Founders to write the Second Amendment the way they did.

Of course today, if you were to join the National Guard - the direct descendant of the old state militias - you get everything provided, including an M-16 or an M-4.  So one might think of the Second Amendment as something of an anachronism in the literal sense, or maybe like a human appendix: it may have had a functional role at some time in the past, but today just sits there as a reminder.

That being said, there may still come a day in our country&#039;s future so black that we might once again have to form scratch militias at the local level.  Hard to imagine, yes, but impossible, no.  And in that case, the Second Amendment&#039;s original meaning would get a new lease on life.

And because the possibility exists, albeit remotely, that such a dire exigency could arise, it&#039;s hard to see from a legal perspective the Court upholding any law banning the ownership of firearms in the home if it sticks with the literal language of the Amendment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>On March 18th, 2008 at 8:55 am, ACHefty said: </p>
<p>It’s a very simple thing. Interpret the Amendment the way an English teacher would. Use the subject/predicate breakdown. The right … shall not be infringed. Thus, the “militia” is moot.</p></blockquote>
<p>Thanks for the laugh.  Suffice it to say that if you were a law student with that kind of reasoning, you wouldn&#8217;t need to concern yourself about making the Order of the Coif (or passing the bar, for that matter).</p>
<p>Historically speaking, it is only comparatively recently that a &#8220;militia&#8221; (as opposed to a standing army) would&#8217;ve had its weapons and equipment provided by the state.  And seeing how in the early days of our republic we had but a tiny standing army and depended heavily on the militia for local defense, it made sense for the Founders to write the Second Amendment the way they did.</p>
<p>Of course today, if you were to join the National Guard &#8211; the direct descendant of the old state militias &#8211; you get everything provided, including an M-16 or an M-4.  So one might think of the Second Amendment as something of an anachronism in the literal sense, or maybe like a human appendix: it may have had a functional role at some time in the past, but today just sits there as a reminder.</p>
<p>That being said, there may still come a day in our country&#8217;s future so black that we might once again have to form scratch militias at the local level.  Hard to imagine, yes, but impossible, no.  And in that case, the Second Amendment&#8217;s original meaning would get a new lease on life.</p>
<p>And because the possibility exists, albeit remotely, that such a dire exigency could arise, it&#8217;s hard to see from a legal perspective the Court upholding any law banning the ownership of firearms in the home if it sticks with the literal language of the Amendment.</p>
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		<title>By: zyzzyg</title>
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		<dc:creator>zyzzyg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 00:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forget guns, I want real arms, and I should have the right to bear them.  If the Federal Government is to be kept in place, I will need a rocket propelled to stop their tanks.  Heck, I might even need my own tank.

Yeah, just exagerrating for effect.  But, seriously what arms should we have and not have?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forget guns, I want real arms, and I should have the right to bear them.  If the Federal Government is to be kept in place, I will need a rocket propelled to stop their tanks.  Heck, I might even need my own tank.</p>
<p>Yeah, just exagerrating for effect.  But, seriously what arms should we have and not have?</p>
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		<title>By: McCain On DC Gun Ban &#124; McCain Blogs</title>
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		<dc:creator>McCain On DC Gun Ban &#124; McCain Blogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Michelle Malkin has a big roundup of the issue [...]</description>
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		<title>By: alamedaman</title>
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		<dc:creator>alamedaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other rights within the Bill of Rights address the rights of THE PEOPLE. Using noscitus a socii, we can see that the 2nd amendment applies to individuals. Following this, the court has found in US v. Verdugo Urquidez that &quot;the people refers to a class of persons part of the national community&quot; - which Mr. Heller certainly is. 

Also, in Scott v. Sandford, the Court held &quot;[n]or can Congress deny to the
people the right to keep and bear arms,&quot;  while listing various other constraints on the powers of congress. Another case that mentions this is Duncan v. Louisiana (1968), where it was said &quot;the personal rights guaranteed and secured by the FIRST EIGHT amendments&quot;- which obviously includes the Second Amendment as a personal right.


Because of these main facts, I urge the Court to rule in favor of Respondent Heller.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other rights within the Bill of Rights address the rights of THE PEOPLE. Using noscitus a socii, we can see that the 2nd amendment applies to individuals. Following this, the court has found in US v. Verdugo Urquidez that &#8220;the people refers to a class of persons part of the national community&#8221; &#8211; which Mr. Heller certainly is. </p>
<p>Also, in Scott v. Sandford, the Court held &#8220;[n]or can Congress deny to the<br />
people the right to keep and bear arms,&#8221;  while listing various other constraints on the powers of congress. Another case that mentions this is Duncan v. Louisiana (1968), where it was said &#8220;the personal rights guaranteed and secured by the FIRST EIGHT amendments&#8221;- which obviously includes the Second Amendment as a personal right.</p>
<p>Because of these main facts, I urge the Court to rule in favor of Respondent Heller.</p>
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		<title>By: Neocon News » Right to bear Arms at the Supreme Court</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neocon News » Right to bear Arms at the Supreme Court</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] more round ups and links visit Confederate Yankee, Conservative Outpost and of course Michelle Malkin. Related PostsBad News.The View- need I say more?ACLU smacked by Supreme Court &amp; Predictions [...]</description>
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		<title>By: PurpleHaze</title>
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		<dc:creator>PurpleHaze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t care how they rule. The second amendment is clear. The Imperial Federal Government is not taking my guns away from me! Period!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t care how they rule. The second amendment is clear. The Imperial Federal Government is not taking my guns away from me! Period!</p>
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		<title>By: Vince</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After hearing the oral arguments, I think the court will strike down DC&#039;s gun law. Justice Kennedy&#039;s first question seemed to indicate that he thought individuals had the right to not only keep arms but also bear them. 

Breyer and Ginsberg were their usual liberal selves but Kennedy appears to be the swing vote. 

Since DC is not a state, I don&#039;t know how this will be seen as a precedent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After hearing the oral arguments, I think the court will strike down DC&#8217;s gun law. Justice Kennedy&#8217;s first question seemed to indicate that he thought individuals had the right to not only keep arms but also bear them. </p>
<p>Breyer and Ginsberg were their usual liberal selves but Kennedy appears to be the swing vote. </p>
<p>Since DC is not a state, I don&#8217;t know how this will be seen as a precedent.</p>
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		<title>By: Stop The ACLU &#187; Blog Archive &#187; John McCain on SCOTUS and the DC Gun Ban</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/03/18/gun-rights-shootout-blogging-the-heller-case/comment-page-1/#comment-268430</link>
		<dc:creator>Stop The ACLU &#187; Blog Archive &#187; John McCain on SCOTUS and the DC Gun Ban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Michelle Malkin has huge roundup. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: On-my-soap-box</title>
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		<dc:creator>On-my-soap-box</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great point jenmom.

Number of children drowned in a pool in my neighborhood = 1 (sadly).  Number of children shot = 0.  Number of homes with guns?  23 out of 24.  Number of roberies = 0.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great point jenmom.</p>
<p>Number of children drowned in a pool in my neighborhood = 1 (sadly).  Number of children shot = 0.  Number of homes with guns?  23 out of 24.  Number of roberies = 0.</p>
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