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Say goodbye to the Glowbama mystique

By Michelle Malkin  •  March 19, 2008 08:55 AM

Unlike Chris Matthews’ leg, I didn’t tingle upon hearing Barack Obama’s speech yesterday. My syndicated column today addresses his same old, same old talk.

What we call B.S. the MSM calls “bold.” What we call self-serving the NYTimes calls “eloquent.”

Thomas Sowell delivers straight talk: “There was no way that he didn’t know about Jeremiah Wright’s anti-American and racist diatribes from the pulpit.”

Milblogger Herschel Smith takes on Obama and the Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps.

There’s a black preacher I’ll never forget, a black preacher who lived racial reconciliation. Read about the Rev. Bennie Newton here.

More about Obama’s poor grandmother from Jim Hoft.

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Say goodbye to the Glowbama mystique
Michelle Malkin
Creators Syndicate 2008

Barack Obama—the self-anointed soul-fixing, nation-healing political Messiah—has lost his glow. That is the takeaway from the beleaguered Democrat presidential candidate’s “major” speech in Philadelphia yesterday.

For all of his supposedly unique and transcendent understanding of race in America, Obama’s talk amounted to the same old, same old. The Glowbama mystique has gone the way of the Emperor’s clothes. Instead of accountability, we got excuses. Instead of disavowal of demagoguery, we got whacked with the moral equivalence card. Instead of rejecting the Blame America mantra of left-wing black nationalism, we got more Blame Whitey. Same old, same old.

For two decades, Obama tethered himself to a fire-breathing pastor peddling bitter, Marxist “black liberation theology” in the name of God. Behind the “audacity of hope” was a grievance-mongering preacher animated by the voracity of hate. And understand this: The Reverend Jeremiah Wright and Barack Obama were not merely passing “associates.” They were mentor and mentee, guru and student, with fates and fortunes intertwined.

For two decades, while using the church to build his Chicago power base and credibility in the black community, Obama turned a deaf ear to Wright’s AIDS conspiracy theories, class warfare rants, anti-Israel, anti-white raves, and “God damn America” diatribes. These weren’t occasional outbursts. They were the bread and butter of the Trinity United Church of Christ. Now, Obama blames “talk show hosts and conservative commentators” for exposing Wright’s race-based rancor. Audacious, indeed.

On Friday, Obama attempted to minimize the extent to which he had been exposed to Wright’s poisonous politicking on the pulpit. “None of these statement were ones that I had heard myself personally in the pews,” he told Major Garrett of Fox News. “The other statements were ones that that I just heard about while we were — when they started being run on FOX and some of the other stations. And so they weren’t things that I was familiar with.”

Yesterday, Obama changed his tune: “I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes.”

The clever Sen. Obama has attempted to erect a firewall of protection from probing questions about which remarks he heard and tolerated and failed to object to while sitting in the pews. Dwelling on what he knew and where and when, he argued yesterday, would be “to simplify and stereotype and amplify the negative to the point that it distorts reality.”
But it is Obama’s pastor (“former” pastor, he is so quick to point out now, though he is a two-decade-long mentor) who holds a warped view of reality. And it is Obama who distorts the truth by likening this Ward Churchill of the United Church of Christ to an avuncular, yet lovable, family member who cannot easily be renounced:

“I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother – a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.”
Glad to know something made Obama cringe.

Even as he denied that he was justifying and excusing Wright’s demagoguery, Obama was doing just that by invoking slavery, Jim Crow, segregated schools, violence in the inner city, and yes, denial of access to FHA mortgages, to explain how we get to Wright spewing “God damn America” on Sunday morning.

“These people are a part of me. And they are a part of America, this country that I love,” Obama declared rather stiffly as he stood self-consciously in front of more American flags that he has ever been placed in front of this campaign season.

Well, you can’t pick your grandma, but you can pick your pastor. And Obama picked the wrong one if he aspires to be the president of all America—an America that includes citizens of all colors who cringe at self-serving racial rationalizations masquerading as moral salvation.

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  1. #1
    On March 19th, 2008 at 9:04 am, mattymatt10 said:

    i completely ignored the whole speech thing. as i am not a racist, i require no lecture from anyone on race relations in this country.

  2. #2
    On March 19th, 2008 at 9:05 am, bloghooligan said:

    comparing his grandmother, who apparently kept her bigotry private, to someone who publicly displays his ignorant bigotry in grandiose fashion is insulting to both his grandmother, and his audience. it likens his grandmother to an ignoramus and treats his audience as if they’re stupid.

  3. #3
    On March 19th, 2008 at 9:05 am, Fat Tone said:

    There is nothing more painful to me … than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery, then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved. — the Reverend Jesse Jackson, as quoted in US News, 3/10/96

  4. #4
    On March 19th, 2008 at 9:06 am, trailortrash said:

    all i got from the speach was that he feels the same as wright.

  5. #5
    On March 19th, 2008 at 9:06 am, MissMarciLyn said:

    Well said — it’s about time someone really talked about how closely these two worked together throughout the years.

    You don’t get married and spend 20 years in a church led by a man like that and not absorb that hate, even if you have heard it for so long you don’t even notice it anymore.

    Racism is a two-way street between blacks and whites in this country, and Glowbama’s goin’ the wrong way!!

  6. #6
    On March 19th, 2008 at 9:10 am, dm60462 said:

    Chris may feel a tingling in his leg. I feel a tighening in the sphincter.

  7. #7
    On March 19th, 2008 at 9:12 am, RedRepub said:

    Amen sister! Great column!!

    Now time to check the poll numbers…..

  8. #8
    On March 19th, 2008 at 9:13 am, jrlingreenbay said:

    “comparing his grandmother, who apparently kept her bigotry private, to someone who publicly displays his ignorant bigotry in grandiose fashion is insulting to both his grandmother, and his audience.”

    Bloghooligan, you’re right on, but I’ll take it one step further.

    The Rev. Wright didn’t just ‘publicly display’ his bigotry - he PREACHED it. He TAUGHT it. That makes it exponentially worse than simply having those feeling and ideologies within oneself.

    Perhaps I’ve led a sheltered existence, but I always thought that sitting in the pews on Sunday were meant to be an uplifting experience, one that would cause you to reflect on your personal actions and beliefs - not necessarily, and consistently, condemn the actions and beliefs of others.

    When I leave church, I feel better about myself - and better because I understand God’s teachings. Not because I was told that all my problems have been caused by other human beings - my ‘brothers and sisters’ - over the years.

    I cannot imagine the 180 degree responses from the left had this involved a white Republican candidate attending a church where the pastor spewed racial hatred for 20 years - only to say, “I cannot disassociate myself from him anymore than I can disassociate myself from my racist grandmother.” He would be politically dead in the water and there would be no “elequence” in his speech.

  9. #9
    On March 19th, 2008 at 9:14 am, Jim M. said:

    Obama would have us believe, in fact he has to get us to believe, that fear and hate are morally equivalent.

    In his speech, Obama attempted to place, on the same level, the fears expressed by his grandmother regarding young black men to the hatred expressed by Jeremiah Wright. By placing fear and hate on the same playing field, Obama has deftly planted the seed that a person’s fears are just as vile as hatred.

    The two are not the same.

    Jesse Jackson has even expressed fear of young black men. And the fear of Obama’s grandmother appears to be as justified as those of the Reverend Jackson. And both of their fears are justifiably founded in recent, not past history.

    Where Wright foments his hatred by fueling it with the memories of events in the distant past, the fears harbored by people like Obama’s grandmother are well rooted in the present. The two most horrific and despicable murders of recent history have been young black men against white victims. Both the Wichita Massacre and the Christian-Newsome murders offer a chilling glimpse into the basis of those fears. Add to those murders events we see on a regular basis, like the murder of the UNC woman and the murder of the Auburn coed, and we can easily understand the basis of fear.

    Hate is not fear’s equal. Yet Obama needed to morally equate the two to brand those that fear with the same mark placed on Jeremiah Wright. He has to make that stick to make his ongoing relationship with a hate monger seem palatable.

    Obama is, quite simply, a moral coward. He tells us he found Wright’s words highly objectionable and admitted to hearing them in person. He sat and listened to this vile rhetoric for 20 years, and never said a word. He sat there for 20 years when a man of character would have walked out at the first hint of racist bile and never looked back. He deftly labels his own grandmother’s fears as racist and bigoted beliefs to make Wright look as harmless as a frail elderly woman.

    There is one caveat here - it may not be that Obama is a moral coward; it may be that he actually believes in Wright’s platform, and is creating a smokescreen to hide his true beliefs from the American people. In either case, such an individual is not fit to occupy the White House.

  10. #10
    On March 19th, 2008 at 9:17 am, gayle said:

    Makes one wonder just how many people did not listen to the speech OR are completely ignorant on the facts involved.

    Those will be the very ones to vote for him.
    A friend of mine is a Democrat who will vote for Obama. I filled her in on the latest news and all I heard on the other end of the phone was silence.

    She had no clue and will remain clueless.

    He is a racist pig veiled behind a cloak of a great speaker with no substance except his blatant hatred for white folks.

  11. #11
    On March 19th, 2008 at 9:19 am, ACHefty said:
  12. #12
    On March 19th, 2008 at 9:19 am, pubscout said:

    Best point of the article: Stuff his grandma said “made him cringe,” but nothing Wright said did.

    ‘Tis passing strange.

  13. #13
    On March 19th, 2008 at 9:21 am, BOB said:

    If he wordsmiths his way out of this Slick Willie needs to present Obama with
    his “Pied Piper” award for being able to say one thing while doing another…..and give him a prominent spot of honor in the Clinton Lie-brary.

  14. #14
    On March 19th, 2008 at 9:26 am, BadIdeaGuy said:

    “Well, you can’t pick your grandma, but you can pick your pastor.”

    Exactly. What irritates me the most is that the concern is the church/pastor Obama chose to affiliate with, and then he delivers this speech that’s his analysis of race relations in America, and the ever-compliant members of the msm fawned all over him.

  15. #15
    On March 19th, 2008 at 9:26 am, babbledabble said:

    Has anyone heard a peep out of B.O.’s white side of the family? Are they even alive? Who are they? Where are they? Or has he shipped them off to Siberia to keep them quiet? He throws poor Granny under the bus & still no word. I find that strange & troubling. Sounds like the only people he has disavowed has been them.

  16. #16
    On March 19th, 2008 at 9:26 am, Jewels said:

    Geez. The funny thing is Barack Obama’s “don’t judge me by my racist friends” speech was written by a white guy.

    that’s irony for ya.

  17. #17
    On March 19th, 2008 at 9:33 am, Boomer said:

    If the Obamination does survive this to gain the Democrat nomination he will be toast in the general election. His close long term personal association with a hate filled anti-American racist pretending to be a man of God tells me all I need to know about him. He is also a hate filled anti-American racist too. It also explains the views of his wife too. I really was hoping we were getting past this in America, but sadly the race baiters and professional victims in the black community always continue to stir the pot.

  18. #18
    On March 19th, 2008 at 9:36 am, Lan Astaslem said:

    I tried going to the TUCC website to peruse some of the old bulletins. (I did this about a year ago and was appalled by some of the things I read.) Seems like they are all gone now. Shocka!!

  19. #19
    On March 19th, 2008 at 9:38 am, jsr said:

    Well, you can’t pick your grandma, but you can pick your pastor.

    Well said. Also, to those apologists that say you can’t control who supports you I would say add that you can’t pick your followers but you can pick who you follow.

  20. #20
    On March 19th, 2008 at 9:40 am, NeoConNews said:

    Great column.

  21. #21
    On March 19th, 2008 at 9:41 am, SpeakEasy said:

    Barack and Rev. Wright are birds of a feather. The Rev. says what the congregation wants to hear for money and power. Obama says what the libs want to hear for votes and power. Both are racists. Both are radical. Obama is simply a slicker type of snake oil seller.

    I believe this eliminates his chance of becoming president. I hope he gets the nomination- it should be an easy victory for McCain.

  22. #22
    On March 19th, 2008 at 9:42 am, rooster said:

    bloghooligan, jrlingreenbay,
    You both are exactly right.

    I would add that every sermon is recorded and has been sold in the church book/video store and on their web site.

    Those that can’t hear the vile rants of Barrack’s pastor and see the sheer jubilation in the parishoners hearts hearing this hate can invite friends to view this crap in the comfort of their home.

    I suspect he makes the radio and TV air waves in Chicago.

  23. #23
    On March 19th, 2008 at 9:44 am, jungatheart said:

    I don’t think anyone, in their heart, thinks Obama is not a racist. Now the question is: Will the Democrats try to put a known racist in the white house? I think they will.

    Also, I guess no one but me thinks much about Obama’s lies on national television about what he heard his Reverend say. I guess I should just expect my potential president to lie to me and it’s me that has a problem because I object to being lied to.

  24. #24
    On March 19th, 2008 at 9:51 am, lgm said:

    Jeremiah Wright is following in the footsteps of his namesake Jeremiah. He’s condemning America for its sins. Like the original, he is called unpatriotic.

    If your test of a politician is that he/she does not think America has sinned, you will get only morons or liars.

  25. #25
    On March 19th, 2008 at 9:51 am, Conservatives R Us said:

    I wasn’t even going to read the speech but did and as supposed found it was worthless.
    In fact it made him appear worse.
    Using Geraldine Ferrara’s name and his slavery ancestory, give me a break.
    Can I go around carrying and never letting go for what the Germans did to my ancestors at the Holocust or maybe that never existed?

  26. #26
    On March 19th, 2008 at 9:51 am, nbarry said:

    Michelle cuts through the media b.s. to write what I suspect the public already knows: that Obama, for all the eloquence of his speech, is a day late and a dollar short and that he is minus the emperor’s clothes.

  27. #27
    On March 19th, 2008 at 9:52 am, JHSII said:

    The first thing I noticed was that after years of saying that he didn’t need to have flags around to show how American and patriotic he was, shddenly he is surrounded by American flags.

    As for the speech, what it distills down to is that if you have seen anything hateful, bigoted, or racist in the “reverend’s” diatribes then it’s only because you are hate-fulled, bigoted, and racist. Blame Whitey indeed.

  28. #28
    On March 19th, 2008 at 9:55 am, md1964 said:

    Unfortunately..a big segment of Braindead liberals don’t care and are hypnotized by his words…so they will be following him no matter.

    But anyone with more than 10 brain cells can piece together, his actions for Not doing the Pledge of Allegence, off in lala land mentally during the National Anthem, his comments in his book, his wife’s comments today and going all the way back to writings back in college, close associations with the hate monger Farrakhan…and the fact that 20 years of Indoctrination and “Spiritual” and political Guidance by this Racist, American Hating Preacher…and come up with the only conclusion, that the foundation of his very core is now being exposed…and it is quite Ugly.

  29. #29
    On March 19th, 2008 at 9:56 am, DaveC said:

    Thomas Sowell wrote:

    he spent 20 years in that church, not just as an ordinary member but also as someone who once donated $20,000 to the church.

    20 years in the church, he tithed only $1000 a year..

    unless that was a lump sum for something..
    but a politician not thumping his chest for how much he gave doesn’t happen.

  30. #30
    On March 19th, 2008 at 9:59 am, jenmom said:

    The most telling part of the speech was how he talked about his grandmother, but didn’t think what the good Rev. said was shocking. Oh, but since his grandmother was white her racist comment was about blacks. We all know that is wrong. But since the Rev. is black and made his racist comments about whites, it’s ok.

    And he’s willing to talk bad about his grandmother - his own flesh and blood, but not the Rev? Hmmm…..nice guy.

    Ok Dems - your candidate is horrible!

  31. #31
    On March 19th, 2008 at 9:59 am, live to tell said:

    When I first heard the J.Wright diatribes , it occured to me that they weren’t much different from the spew being preached in mosques around the world.

    Now I see this troubling article on Hamas supposedly taken from the church bulletin of Rev. Wright. :

    http://www.bizzyblog.com/wp-images/TUCChamasColumn072207.jpg

    More can be seen at BizzyBlog:

    http://www.bizzyblog.com/2008/03/17/tuccs-church-bulletins-from-july-2007-probably-make-whether-obama-was-present-on-july-22-irrelevant/

  32. #32
    On March 19th, 2008 at 10:00 am, BrianNY said:

    “When Barack Obama refused to disown the hateful Jeremiah Wright, it was like Eve Carson was murdered all over again.”

  33. #33
    On March 19th, 2008 at 10:04 am, J S Ragman said:

    Great column Michelle. You must be bucking for Olberdork’s World’s Worst Person again, yes?

  34. #34
    On March 19th, 2008 at 10:06 am, BrianNY said:

    #31 said:

    “When Barack Obama refused to disown the hateful Jeremiah Wright, it was like Eve Carson was murdered all over again.”

    Ooops, my bad. The actual quote from that 2000 NAACP “James Byrd” ad read:

    “When Gov. George W. Bush refused to sign hate crimes legislation, it was like my father was killed all over again.”

  35. #35
    On March 19th, 2008 at 10:07 am, capitano said:

    Modified Limited Hangout Route, version 1.0

    None of these statement were ones that I had heard myself personally in the pews,”

    Modified Limited Hangout Route, version 2.0

    Yesterday, Obama changed his tune: “I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy.

  36. #36
    On March 19th, 2008 at 10:09 am, taylork said:

    Jeremiah Wright is following in the footsteps of his namesake Jeremiah. He’s condemning America for its sins. Like the original, he is called unpatriotic.

    So where do the anti-semtic rants and AIDS conspiracy theories fall into this?

  37. #37
    On March 19th, 2008 at 10:13 am, J S Ragman said:

    On March 19th, 2008 at 9:51 am, lgm said:
    Jeremiah Wright is following in the footsteps of his namesake Jeremiah. He’s condemning America for its sins. Like the original, he is called unpatriotic.

    And so, the only reasonable penance for these sins is to take all the white people’s money, and the corporate profits, and re-distribute them to the black community, because, as 10% of the population, they have been on the receiving end of these sins 100% of the time.

    Yeah, right.

  38. #38
    On March 19th, 2008 at 10:16 am, faraway said:

    350,000 white grandfathers gave their lives in the 1860s to give him the right to say those things though.

  39. #39
    On March 19th, 2008 at 10:17 am, max said:

    Jeremiah Wright is following in the footsteps of his namesake Jeremiah. He’s condemning America for its sins. Like the original, he is called unpatriotic.

    snortworthy…

  40. #40
    On March 19th, 2008 at 10:19 am, Miss Ladybug said:

    I recall hearing my dad’s mother and aunt say things about blacks & Hispanics - mainly assuming the youth were up to no good. But then I also chalked it up to them being born very early in the 20th Century - both before WWI even began. We buried my Oma 5 years ago today. But, as has been said by others here, what Oma and her sister said was done “in private” and was not being preached from the pulpit. I also have to wonder: Is Obama’s white grandmother still living? I might think not. And how tactless to speak ill of the dead in the manner that he did.

  41. #41
    On March 19th, 2008 at 10:20 am, faraway said:

    Obama thinks the Declaration of Independence is “stained by this nation’s original sin of slavery”. We will see what the voters think of that.

  42. #42
    On March 19th, 2008 at 10:23 am, max said:

    On March 19th, 2008 at 10:20 am, faraway said:
    Obama thinks the Declaration of Independence is “stained by this nation’s original sin of slavery”. We will see what the voters think of that.

    begs the question how he feels about the African countries that captured and sold the slaves to whitey in the first place… are they also stained?

  43. #43
    On March 19th, 2008 at 10:24 am, The Raging Republican said:

    That speech was suck a joke. He all but justified Wright because he comes form “that time”. I also couldn’t believe that he basically embraced the man during the speech as well (I can’t disown him no more then I can the black community). Nice damage control, BO.

    Bring up his grand mother was also a weak argument. No one can chose their relatives - and we all have family members that we are ashamed of. Obama, however chose to associate with Wright and to have his family be part of his church for 20 years. He chose to have him marry him and his wife. He chose to have him baptize his children. He chose to make financial contributions to his church. He chose to call him his mentor and spiritual guide. He chose to place him on his religious advisory board. And he chose to title his book after one of his sermons. Oh, the audacity of us to infer that he knew what the man was preaching and that he approved of it. How dare we!

    The bottom line here is that Jeremiah Wright is a racist and someone who hatefully conspires against America. What Obama has not addressed is exactly how the American people can elect a man president who has embraced such a bigot and conspiracy nut as his “mentor and moral compass”. He is now trying to divert attention by playing the race card, and not focusing the real issues surrounding this matter: either he knew about Wright’s views and message or he has the worst judgment and character assessment abilities on the planet. Either way, it is a disqualifying factor with regards to him becoming president. Either way, the American people should have serious concerns about the kinds of people that he would appoint to his administration, Federal Judge positions, and most importantly the Supreme Court.

    America MUST judge this man by the company that he keeps!

  44. #44
    On March 19th, 2008 at 10:28 am, BrianNY said:

    #23 lgm said:

    Jeremiah Wright is following in the footsteps of his namesake Jeremiah.

    Ouch…are you calling the prophet Jeremiah a lying, racist demagogue?

    Like the original, he is called unpatriotic.

    I believe that Jeremiah Wright is also being called a lying, racist demagogue.

    If your test of a politician is that he/she does not think America has sinned, you will get only morons or liars.

    Likewise, if your test of a politician is that she/he thinks that America is the source of shame and evil in the world, you will get only morons or liars.

    I believe that makes me rubber, and you glue.

  45. #45
    On March 19th, 2008 at 10:29 am, englishqueen01 said:

    It’s good to see that I wasn’t the only one bothered by Obama’s comments on his grandmother.

    I could tell you stories about my grandmother, believe me. But I can’t imagine getting on national television and telling the world my grandmother was a racist. That the woman who helped raise him - after his father left - is just as bad as the pastor he’s now putting at arms length.

    Especially when his grandmother is elderly, frail, and in poor health.

    Shame, shame, shame on you Obama. If that’s how you treat your grandmother, how will you treat the other senior citizens of this nation?

  46. #46
    On March 19th, 2008 at 10:33 am, The Raging Republican said:

    And understand this: The Reverend Jeremiah Wright and Barack Obama were not merely passing “associates.” They were mentor and mentee, guru and student, with fates and fortunes intertwined.

    Bullseye!

    Michelle, You are fierce. I LOVE IT!

  47. #47
    On March 19th, 2008 at 10:33 am, Mister P said:

    He lost me when he threw his white grandmother under the bus. This is the loving woman who took him under her wing and put him in the exclusive Punahou school in Hawaii. Obama is trash.

  48. #48
    On March 19th, 2008 at 10:36 am, nbarry said:

    If Obama were to give a truly honest speech, he would say what we all know is really on his mind: “Of all the churches in the Chicago area with which to establish my credentials as a community organizer, I had to pick this one!” I suspect that the reason Hillary has slogged it out through months of adversity is because she suspected that at some point, the shirt was going to hit the fan.

  49. #49
    On March 19th, 2008 at 10:37 am, Mister P said:

    I don’t think anyone, in their heart, thinks Obama is not a racist. Now the question is: Will the Democrats try to put a known racist in the white house? I think they will.

    Well he is obviously a conflicted racists because he is neither white nor black.

  50. #50
    On March 19th, 2008 at 10:40 am, CharlieT said:

    Maybe with Obambi and Shillary throwing aides and supporters under the bus on a regular basis, it’s just too crowded under Obambi’s bus for such a large load of crap as Wright?

  51. #51
    On March 19th, 2008 at 10:46 am, Duke of Pronia said:

    This just in: Obama to Jeremiah: “I just can’t quit you.”

    Nopw back to our regularly scheduled programming

  52. #52
    On March 19th, 2008 at 10:48 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    My husband and I about a year ago switched churches. This church had a congregation of mostly white people and it didn’t bother me at all that I was sometimes the lone black face some Sundays. No. We left this church precisely because they were moving away from God’s teachings and began to interpret the Bible in a way that wasn’t aligned with what we knew to be true. We are now in a lovely church, the pastor is awesome. He was even featured in Robert Spencer’s book - Religion of Peace. Now to my point, the church we left stop meeting our needs and we left. We found another church that feels like home. Is there only one church in Chicago? Why does Glowbama (I love it!) feel married to this church and/or pastor? His allegiance is supposed to be to God. Something is very wrong here.

    And the thing about his grandmother is flat out disgusting. His grandmother experienced the same thing my husband’s grandmother dealt with until her dying day. So much so that I never got to meet her because of her fear of black people.

    ‘The glow’ has just reinforced what we knew to be true. He along with his wife and pastor agree that America is evil and must be purged. How he intends to go about that purge is anybody’s guess.

    Be afraid be very afraid.

  53. #53
    On March 19th, 2008 at 10:49 am, BrianNY said:

    #46 Mister P said:

    He lost me when he threw his white grandmother under the bus.

    I thought B.H.O. was supposed to have street cred?? How is it that “Barack knows what it means to be a black man” if he is willing to snitch on his own grandmother!

    Perhaps his mother raised a damn fool?

  54. #54
    On March 19th, 2008 at 10:51 am, feeler said:

    This whole issue of race puzzles me to no end! I mean, I’m white, so I must assume SOME measure of responsibility for the actions of other whites throughout history, even though I’m not related to them. White people as a whole, hold SOME degree of guilt for a few individuals.
    But blacks on the other hand, hold NO collective responsibility for the actions of other blacks in history. In fact, truth be told, they’re not even responsible for THEIR OWN actions! They are FORCED into criminality! It’s ALL the fault of something most of us cannot even define: “Racism.”
    According to the US Justice dept. in 2005, black men sexually assaulted or raped white women over 36,000 times compared to white men raping black women zero to ten times.
    Who are the REAL victims of “racism?” Blacks with hurt feelings, or white women beaten and raped specifically because of the color of their skin? I’m beginning to think that this whole concept of “racism” is just a tool to oppress white people.

  55. #55
    On March 19th, 2008 at 10:55 am, slp said:

    Obama is using the propaganda technique called the Big Lie.

    I did not realize that it was Hitler’s technique.

    The Big Lie is a propaganda technique. It was defined by Adolf Hitler in his 1925 autobiography Mein Kampf as a lie so “colossal” that no one would believe that someone “could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie

  56. #56
    On March 19th, 2008 at 10:59 am, desertdweller said:

    WHY did N’Obama wait until outcries from the public to denounce Rev. Wright???

    .. Because N’Obama is just as pitiful as any other excuse-mongering liberal.

  57. #57
    On March 19th, 2008 at 11:04 am, lgm said:

    BrianNY said (#43):

    Ouch…are you calling the prophet Jeremiah a lying, racist demagogue?

    Get your smears straight. Obama is supposed to be the liar and Wright the racist demagogue. Wright is angry about the wrongs done by whites to blacks. Are you saying he should not?

    slp said (#54):

    Obama is using the propaganda technique called the Big Lie.

    I did not realize that it was Hitler’s technique.

    Everyone you don’t like is Hitler? Please find some sense of scale. Murdering millions of people/sitting quietly to an offensive sermon.

  58. #58
    On March 19th, 2008 at 11:06 am, Alphonse said:

    Trentlott him! Trentlott him! He should resign from the Senate. Guilt by association. Birds of a feather flock together.

    McCain isn’t faring too well either. We see why he keeps his Likud sidekick nearby.

    A McCain Gaffe in Jordan

    By Cameron W. Barr and Michael D. Shear
    AMMAN, Jordan — Sen. John McCain, traveling in the Middle East to promote his foreign policy expertise, misidentified in remarks Tuesday which broad category of Iraqi extremists are allegedly receiving support from Iran.

    He said several times that Iran, a predominately Shiite country, was supplying the mostly Sunni militant group, al-Qaeda. In fact, officials have said they believe Iran is helping Shiite extremists in Iraq.

    Speaking to reporters in Amman, the Jordanian capital, McCain said he and two Senate colleagues traveling with him continue to be concerned about Iranian operatives “taking al-Qaeda into Iran, training them and sending them back.”

    Pressed to elaborate, McCain said it was “common knowledge and has been reported in the media that al-Qaeda is going back into Iran and receiving training and are coming back into Iraq from Iran, that’s well known. And it’s unfortunate.” A few moments later, Sen. Joseph Lieberman, standing just behind McCain, stepped forward and whispered in the presidential candidate’s ear. McCain then said: “I’m sorry, the Iranians are training extremists, not al-Qaeda.”

  59. #59
    On March 19th, 2008 at 11:13 am, bloghooligan said:

    lgm, Wright is both a racist and a liar. the two are not mutually exclusive.

  60. #60
    On March 19th, 2008 at 11:15 am, The Raging Republican said:

    slp said: Obama is using the propaganda technique called the Big Lie.

    I did not realize that it was Hitler’s technique.

    LGM said: Everyone you don’t like is Hitler? Please find some sense of scale. Murdering millions of people/sitting quietly to an offensive sermon.

    slp never called BO Hitler….. slp said that BO was using the propaganda technique that Hitler did. Good Grief!

    sitting quietly to an offensive sermon.

    “Silence is betrayal.”
    -Dr. Martin Luther King Jr

  61. #61
    On March 19th, 2008 at 11:17 am, franksalterego said:

    wow - just WOW

    I gotta’ tell ya’…In my 67 years, I have never seen a con-man as slick and polished as this one.

    And, that he’s coming within an eyelash of the presidency is simply terrifying.

    Consider the work of James Hal Cone, the founder of Black theology, and the person crazy ol’ uncle Jerry looks to for guidance, and what the Trinity United “Church” is founded upon…Cone once wrote:

    Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community. . . . Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.

    20 years in THIS church?…What I see, borders on insanity.

  62. #62
    On March 19th, 2008 at 11:21 am, bloghooligan said:

    you know the problem with Wright’s comments is that not only are the comments vile in nature, but they (whether the comments in context or out of context) provide a context for Michelle and Barack’s behavior.

    * Barack not crossing his heart during the pledge

    * not wearing a lapel pin

    * Michelle submitting this country is ‘mean’

    * Michelle stating she hasn’t been proud of America

    Wright’s comments may be able to be explained away by themselves, but these seemingly unrelated points make sense within the context of Wrights sermons and can not be easily explained away.

  63. #63
    On March 19th, 2008 at 11:24 am, The Raging Republican said:
  64. #64
    On March 19th, 2008 at 11:30 am, Studebaker Hawk said:

    You know there are radical mosques in the Middle East where they spew lies about the US. Those lies influence young people, and lead them to strap on explosive belts or fly planes into buildings. Now there is a radical church in Chicago where they spew lies about the US. Seems like impressionable young minds right here at home are being poisoned in much the same way as in the Middle East. I can imagine Rev Wright could swap sermons with some of his counterparts in Saudi Arabia and not notice much difference. And Obama is a financial backer of said church? Ugh.

  65. #65
    On March 19th, 2008 at 11:32 am, formerwm said:

    If Obama gets the nomination of the Dems, it will be up to the people to keep this issue alive…because McCain will be playing nicie nice and won’t touch this issue because he is sooooo above everthing and everyone.

  66. #66
    On March 19th, 2008 at 11:38 am, shooter said:

    “For two decades, Obama tethered himself to a fire-breathing pastor peddling bitter, Marxist “black liberation theology” in the name of God. Behind the “audacity of hope” was a grievance-mongering preacher animated by the voracity of hate.”

    Our own 8% hope guy.
    Change for 8% of America guy.
    Racial justification guy.
    Liar guy.
    Could be considered controversial guy.
    Throw Grandma (the white one) under the bus guy.
    Grandma LOVED ME MORE THAN ANYTHING ( but I won’t say I love her) guy
    I agree with Ace:
    you rotten bastard ‘guy’.
    .
    8% is not enough B. Hussein Obama, heck it’s not even a start.
    20 years to gain the respect of eight (8) percent!?!?!?
    Nice job, call Ayers he might be hiring.
    Hope and change… for 8 percent!

  67. #67
    On March 19th, 2008 at 11:40 am, katieanne said:

    Well said Michelle.

    Say goodbye to the Glowbama mystique

    If people had taken the time to really know what Obama was about and stood for, there never would have been a mystique to begin with. Lazy people looking for a quick fix for complex problems. Never works.

  68. #68
    On March 19th, 2008 at 11:40 am, BrianNY said:

    #56 lgm said:

    Get your smears straight. Obama is supposed to be the liar and Wright the racist demagogue.

    Actually, I was correctly describing Wright as both a racist demagogue AND a liar for the false witness that he bore upon the United States of America, (ie infecting black communities with the AIDS virus and illegal narcotics, etc.) But if you want to remind us about Obama’s misstatements, (not knowing about Pastor Wright’s denounced sermons before his speech, to always having been aware of Pastor Wright’s denounced sermons after his speech) that’s your choice.

    Wright is angry about the wrongs done by whites to blacks. Are you saying he should not?

    Pastor Wright’s anger issues are his problem. My problem is his bearing false witness upon the United States of America in general, and white people in particular, while siding with our declared enemies.

    “Spiritual advisers” who claim to be “men of God” should not bear false upon others.

  69. #69
    On March 19th, 2008 at 11:42 am, The Raging Republican said:

    The vision statement of Trinity United Church of Christ is based upon the systematized liberation theology that started in 1969 with the publication of Dr. James Cone’s book, Black Power and Black Theology.

    Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System, written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee, chaired by the late Vallmer Jordan in 1981.

    These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They consist of the following concepts:

    1. Commitment to God. “The God of our weary years” will give us the strength to give up prayerful passivism and become Black Christian Activists, soldiers for Black freedom and the dignity of all humankind.
    2. Commitment to the Black Community. The highest level of achievement for any Black person must be a contribution of strength and continuity of the Black Community.
    3. Commitment to the Black Family. The Black family circle must generate strength, stability and love, despite the uncertainty of externals, because these characteristics are required if the developing person is to withstand warping by our racist competitive society.

    Black Value System:

    “The God of our weary years” will give us the strength to give up prayerful passivism and become Black Christian Activists, soldiers for Black freedom and the dignity of all humankind.

    The highest level of achievement for any Black person must be a contribution of strength and continuity of the Black Community.

    The Black family circle must generate strength, stability and love… because these characteristics are required if the developing person is to withstand warping by our racist competitive society.

    Dedication to the Pursuit of Education: Since the majority of Blacks have been denied such learning, Black Education must include elements that produce high school graduates with marketable skills, a trade or qualifications for apprenticeships, or proper preparation for college.

    We must be a community of self-disciplined persons if we are to actualize and utilize our own human resources, instead of perpetually submitting to exploitation by others.

    Classic methodology on control of captives teaches that captors must be able to identify the “talented tenth” of those subjugated, especially those who show promise of providing the kind of leadership that might threaten the captor’s control.

    Those so identified are separated from the rest of the people by:

    1. Killing them off directly, and/or fostering a social system that encourages them to kill off one another.
    2. Placing them in concentration camps, and/or structuring an economic environment that induces captive youth to fill the jails and prisons.
    3. Seducing them into a socioeconomic class system which, while training them to earn more dollars, hypnotizes them into believing they are better than others and teaches them to think in terms of “we” and “they” instead of “us.”
    4. So, while it is permissible to chase “middleclassness” with all our might, we must avoid the third separation method – the psychological entrapment of Black “middleclassness.” If we avoid this snare, we will also diminish our “voluntary” contributions to methods A and B. And more importantly, Black people no longer will be deprived of their birthright: the leadership, resourcefulness and example of their own talented persons.

    Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions.

    Pledge Allegiance to All Black Leadership Who Espouse and Embrace the Black Value System.

    Personal Commitment to Embracement of the Black Value System. To measure the worth and validity of all activity in terms of positive contributions to the general welfare of the Black Community and the Advancement of Black People towards freedom.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Its not a Christian Church, but rather an ethnocentric propaganda machine. Unbelievable!

  70. #70
    On March 19th, 2008 at 11:43 am, coffee said:

    While I expected there to be some, I am disconcerted by the number of people of all skin colors that are rationalizing for this KKK equivalent “preacher”. God help us all.

    Instead of accountability, we got excuses. Instead of disavowal of demagoguery, we got whacked with the moral equivalence card. Instead of rejecting the Blame America mantra of left-wing black nationalism, we got more Blame Whitey.

    What she said.

  71. #71
    On March 19th, 2008 at 11:54 am, lgm said:

    BrianNY said (#66):

    Pastor Wright’s anger issues are his problem. My problem is his bearing false witness upon the United States of America in general, and white people in particular, while siding with our declared enemies.

    Please review for me, with links if possible. I missed the hate sessions where we learned what Wright said that was factually false (as opposed to annoying opinion).

  72. #72
    On March 19th, 2008 at 12:01 pm, jw said:

    Walks like a duck…..
    A bigot is a bigot. Change the person to a white preacher and these words would constitute a “hate crime”.

  73. #73
    On March 19th, 2008 at 12:02 pm, BrianNY said:

    #69 lgm said:

    Please review for me, with links if possible. I missed the hate sessions where we learned what Wright said that was factually false (as opposed to annoying opinion).

    Cute. You, of all people, should know that when a student arrives late to class, he doesn’t ask the teacher for a review. It is that pupil’s responsibility to make up the work that he has missed.

    Therefore, lgm, provide examples from Pastor Wright’s videotaped sermons (links not required) that you believe to be factually correct (as opposed to annoying opinion.)

  74. #74
    On March 19th, 2008 at 12:04 pm, Thomas said:

    On March 19th, 2008 at 9:51 am, our resident liberal troll lgm said:

    Jeremiah Wright is following in the footsteps of his namesake Jeremiah. He’s condemning America for its sins. Like the original, he is called unpatriotic.

    If your test of a politician is that he/she does not think America has sinned, you will get only morons or liars.

    Speaking at the Washington, D.C., school’s Andrew Rankin Memorial Chapel, Wright said, “We started the AIDS virus. … We are only able to maintain our level of living by making sure that Third World people live in grinding poverty.”

    “The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color.” - Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr.

  75. #75
    On March 19th, 2008 at 12:04 pm, Paul-Cincy said:

    Michelle wrote:

    “I can no more disown [Wright] than I can my white grandmother – [...] who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.”
    Glad to know something made Obama cringe.

    This is key for me — what offends Obama’s sensibilities and sensitivities. How must he twist himself inside to not be sickened by Wright’s hate speech? I have to think it can get pretty weird in there. In modern society we get inured to a lot. But to this? It’s like what I’d assume would be a KKK rally. And this may come as a shock to some, but most whites would be highly offended to sit in at a KKK rally, despite Wright’s characterization of our country as “U.S. of KKK A.”. Maybe a little projection on Rev. Wright’s part, to think others can tolerate such speech, when he and Obama and the rest of the parishioners at his church at the ones who do?

  76. #76
    On March 19th, 2008 at 12:10 pm, bloghooligan said:

    so i guess lgm thinks the US invented AIDS to kill off blacks.

    everyday i find a reason for home schooling.

  77. #77
    On March 19th, 2008 at 12:11 pm, gayle said:

    Anyone watched “The Omen”?

    just speaking……..

  78. #78
    On March 19th, 2008 at 12:11 pm, Hannibal said:

    #56 lgm wrote: “Everyone you don’t like is Hitler? Please find some sense of scale. Murdering millions of people/sitting quietly to an offensive sermon.”

    Sometimes in the heat of the moment small bits of truth slip out. SO, you do feel that he was “sitting quietly to an offensive sermon.” Is that what the would-be leader of the free world would do, sit quietly? Don’t speak up, don’t object, don’t walk out? Maybe put your hands over the kids’ ears? If there ever was a time to “moveon” that was it. Maybe Obama quietly protested by hanging his head and then stiffed the collection plate!

  79. #79
    On March 19th, 2008 at 12:13 pm, jsr said:

    lgm - Do you actually believe that the United States government is purposfully and maliciously spreading the AIDS virus amomg African-Americans? If so, are your peers aware of your views? I have a hard time believing that a university mathematics professor could be so delusional.

  80. #80
    On March 19th, 2008 at 12:19 pm, faraway said:

    bloghooligan , it wasn’t the pledge it was the National Anthem.

    Libs love to say its a myth and use the Big Lie to refer to the pledge.

  81. #81
    On March 19th, 2008 at 12:23 pm, JohnnyNJ said:

    Webster Unabridged-

    …..Chameleon, n. 1. any of numerous Old World lizards, characterized by the ability to change the color of their skin to fit the situation. 2. American lizard(same as #1) 3. a changeable, fickle, or inconstant person.

    Fits Barry Hussein to a “T”. Like I posted yesterday, this guy “outclintons”, Bill Clinton…..God Help America if somehow this guy is elected POTUS.

    formerwm #63…you are absolutely correct, it will be up to “we the people” to keep this alive. The MSM already has the hole dug to bury this story as best they can.

  82. #82
    On March 19th, 2008 at 12:27 pm, Larraby said:

    Predictably the New York Times is having a Chris Matthews reaction. The editorial calls Obama’s sermon one of the great speeches of US history. Maureen Dowd is already talkin about how brilliant the speech is and how her “Irish relatives” need to listen to and learn from the Messiah. According to Ms. Dowd, she is free from racism and prejudice of any kind and does not need to learn anything new from her beloved Barack. But her relatives are Irish American slobs who don’t appreciate the uniqueness of Barack and Michelle and they should learn what she already knows. Then the Times has a news analysis in which its reporter (I think her name is Janey) proclaims that Obama is saintly and McCain is a mere politician. The last time the New York Times go so excited about anybody in public life was when its editors lavished praise and love upon Yasser Arafat in 1993 editorial.

  83. #83
    On March 19th, 2008 at 12:32 pm, Thomas said:

    On March 19th, 2008 at 12:27 pm, Larraby said: Predictably the New York Times is having a Chris Matthews reaction. The editorial calls Obama’s sermon one of the great speeches of US history.

    Good lord.

    This is getting more cult-like and fanatical, or charismatic hero worship and less about real issues and politics. I can only imagine what the next four years for this country(our media) would be like if Obama is elected.

  84. #84
    On March 19th, 2008 at 12:45 pm, JohnnyNJ said:

    lgm, Jerrry and Barry…..Let me ask a question.

    Can you explain to me how the USA has spread the AIDS virus in Africa?

    Let me guess: 1. The billions of dollars in financial aid we have sent to the continent of Africa have been systematically dusted with powdered AIDS virus and thereby spread…. 2. We(the USA) has for decades released the chemical weapon(AIDS virus) by air over the entire continent of Africa……3. We(the USA) has for decades sent troops, doctors and missionaries to Africa and instructed the population in the art and virtue of unprotected anal sex.

  85. #85
    On March 19th, 2008 at 12:48 pm, shooter said:

    Can we PLEASE not feed the trolls?
    Please?.
    It makes these long threads impossible to read when nefarious rhetoric weaves it’s ugly head throughout.
    jus sayin.
    .
    -thanks.

  86. #86
    On March 19th, 2008 at 12:56 pm, JodyT said:

    It’s strange. When I go to church, the pastor reads from the Bible and talks about how to get right with God.

    …and what’s the name of that other political group masquerading as a religion? Anyone? Bueller?

  87. #87
    On March 19th, 2008 at 1:05 pm, taylork said:

    After the Obama speech I decided to have an “opne dialogue on race.” So I called up a friend of mine who is black and we talked.

    And pleased to announce that everything has been ironed out and we, as a country, can now move on.

    But seriously, can someone please explain to me what this national dialogue entails? Do I start pulling people of different skin color off the street and gabbing about race? Does each race elect a representative who then meets with the other reps where they hammer things out? Are liberal sociology professors going to continue what they’ve been saying for the last 30 years?
    Seriously, to what end are we going to have this “dialogue?” Will all the anger and resentment magically go away afterwards? Or maybe, just maybe, this allows liberal columnist to pretend like they’re writing enlightening, inspirational prose where they can say they’ve done their part, sort of like how they had a “support our troops” sticker on their car for a few months after 9/11.

  88. #88
    On March 19th, 2008 at 1:08 pm, BrianNY said:

    #83 shooter said:

    It makes these long threads impossible to read when nefarious rhetoric weaves it’s ugly head throughout.

    I never understood why others say, “don’t feed the trolls.” Now I know!

    I always viewed trolls as a viable way to fortify one’s view while learning and highlighting the folly of one’s opposition.

    But now, I can certainly understand the frustration of others having to sift through pages of entries

  89. #89
    On March 19th, 2008 at 1:09 pm, Jim M. said:

    In Wright’s interview with Sean Hannity last year, he evasively refused to answer Sean’s questions and kept telling Sean he needed to read James Cone to understand what black liberation theology was all about.

    Now Wright is a staunch disciple of Cone’s, and buys into Cone’s teachings in toto. Thus, the members of Trinity Church, including Barak Obama, are likewise disciples of James Cone’s.

    To get a sense of James Cone’s black liberation theology, here are a few quotes from the father of that movement:

    A moral or theological appeal based on a white definition of morality or theology will serve as a detriment to our attainment of black freedom. The only option we blacks have is to fight in every way possible, so that we can create a definition of freedom based on our own history and culture. We must not expect white people to give us freedom. Freedom is not a gift, but a responsibility, and thus must be taken against the will of those who hold us in bondage

    Christ is black therefore not because of some cultural or psychological need of black people, but because and only because Christ really enters into our world where the poor were despised and the black are, disclosing that he is with them enduring humiliation and pain and transforming oppressed slaves into liberating servants

    Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community … Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.

    The logic that led to slavery and segregation in the Americas, colonization and Apartheid in Africa, and the rule of white supremacy throughout the world is the same one that leads to the exploitation of animals and the ravaging of nature. It is a mechanistic and instrumental logic that defines everything and everybody in terms of their contribution to the development and defense of white world supremacy. People who fight against white racism but fail to connect it to the degradation of the earth are anti-ecological — whether they know it or not. People who struggle against environmental degradation but do not incorporate in it a disciplined and sustained fight against white supremacy are racists — whether they acknowledge it or not. The fight for justice cannot be segregated but must be integrated with the fight for life in all its forms.

    No threat has been more deadly and persistent for black and Indigenous peoples than the rule of white supremacy in the modern world. For over five hundred years, through the wedding of science and technology, white people have been exploiting nature and killing people of color in every nook and cranny of the planet in the name of God and democracy.

    While white racism must be opposed at all cost, our opposition will not be effective unless we expand our vision. Racism is profoundly interrelated with other evils, including the degradation of the earth. It is important for black people, therefore, to make the connection between the struggle against racism and other struggles for life.

    Black and other poor people in all racial groups receive much less than their fair share of everything good in the world and a disproportionate amount of the bad.

    Do we have any reason to believe that the culture most responsible for the ecological crisis will also provide the moral and intellectual resources for the earth’s liberation? White ethicists and theologians apparently think so, since so much of their discourse about theology and the earth is just talk among themselves. But I have a deep suspicion about the theological and ethical values of white culture and religion.

    Young people do not like the way the American government, corporations and bourgeoisie black leaders have used King in order to reinforce their own values, which oppress poor black people. They reject that. And so they tend to reject Martin King or not want to listen to him because they do not know much about him.

    They like Malcolm X largely because he is much more difficult to domesticate. His language is blunt, to the point, and uncompromising in his condemnation of racism and white supremacy in this society. His affirmation of black identity is also very explicit, giving young people a sense of self in a world that is negative toward black people.

    Malcolm would contend that you can be politically and economically oppressed and still be culturally free-and that no one can oppress you, really, without your cooperation, without your accepting what they say about you; and thereby wanting to be like your oppressor. That’s why he wanted to separate black people from white people-let them learn to be on their own and think and do for themselves, then when they relate to white people they won’t be begging [them] for things. King, on the other hand, felt there are too many white people in the world to expect separation to really work. He felt we have built this society just like white people have-it’s not theirs alone, it is ours too.

    King is useful particularly in terms of his accent on economic justice at the end of his life, and his critique of America’s war in Vietnam. For anyone who opposes the war in Iraq today, people find King’s opposition and speeches against Vietnam, where he called America “the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today,” very useful. Malcolm X is useful in helping people who are poor, who have little power, to learn to speak about their own self-worth, even though they cannot politically change their situation. Malcolm speaks to those who need language for talking about their enslavement in the ghetto. See, Malcolm grew up in the ghetto, so he himself knows how to speak a language that empowers people who don’t have political power.

    If you really want to resist the oppressor, you have to step outside and use resources from other cultures that are victimized by the dominant culture. You know, my people have survived white supremacy for 400 years! We might have some resources useful for resisting it.

    A moral or theological appeal based on a white definition of morality or theology will serve as a detriment to our attainment of black freedom. The only option we blacks have is to fight in every way possible, so that we can create a definition of freedom based on our own history and culture. We must not expect white people to give us freedom. Freedom is not a gift, but a responsibility, and thus must be taken against the will of those who hold us in bondage.”
    Well, you know, you don’t have to know all about the Nazi hol– Holocaust to understand what a swastika is. You don’t have to understand all about the history of lynching to know what a noose is. Everybody knows that. Somehow, that– that gets– you don’t have to know that history. It’s in– it’s in American culture. As you say, it’s in the DNA. It’s our– it’s white America’s original sin and it’s deep.
    We have built this country. White people know that. Then, after slavery, segregation and lynching, we still helped built this country. So, it’s a history of violence, a history of black people fighting in every American war– even the Civil War.
    People who have never been lynched by another group usually find it difficult to understand why it is blacks want whites to remember lynching atrocities. Why bring that up, they ask? Isn’t that best forgotten? And I say, absolutely not! The lynching tree is a metaphor for race in America, a symbol of America’s crucifixion of black people. See, whites feel a little uncomfortable because they are part of the history of the people who did the lynching. I would much rather be a part of the history of the lynching victims than a part of the history of the one who did it. And that’s the kind of transcendent perspective that empowers people to resist.

    The lynching tree interprets the cross. It keeps the cross out of the hands of those who are dominant. Nobody who is lynching anybody can understand the cross. That’s why it’s so important to place the cross and the lynching tree together. Because the cross, or the crucifixion was analogous to a first century lynching. In fact, biblical scholars– when they want to describe what was happening to Jesus, many of them said, “It was a lynching.”

    And all I want to suggest is if American Christians say — they want to identify with that cross, they have to see the cross as a lynching. Any time your empathy, your solidarity is with the little people, you’re with the cross. If you identify with the lynchers, then, no, you can’t understand what’s happening. That in the sense of resistance– what resistance means by helpless people. Power in the powerless is not something that we are accustomed to listening to and understanding. It’s not a part of our historical experi– America always wants to think it’s gonna win everything. Well, black people have a history in which we didn’t win. We did not win. See, our resistance is a resistance against the odds. That’s why we can understand the cross.

    Truth that white supremacy is as present in New York City as it is in Jackson, Mississippi. That’s the truth. And when America can see itself as one, not just the south did the lynching, but it is a part of American culture, then we can figure out how we can start to overcome that. You can’t overcome something if you never acknowledged its presence.

    Crucifixion and lynchings are symbols. They are symbols of the power of domination. They are symbols of the destruction of people’s humanity. With black people being 12 percent of the US population and nearly 50 percent of the prison population, that’s lynching. It’s a legal lynching. So, there are a lot of ways to lynch a people than just hanging ‘em on the tree. A lynching is trying to control the population. It is striking terror in the population so as to control it.

    That’s what the ghetto does. It crams people into living spaces where they will self destruct, kill each other, fight each other, shoot each other because they have no place to breathe, no place for recreation, no place for an articulation and expression of their humanity. So, it becomes a way, a metaphor for lynching, if lynching is understood and as one group forcing a kind of inhumanity upon another group.

    God is that power. That power that enables you to resist. You love that! You love the power that empowers you even in a situation in which you have no political power. The– you have to love God. Now, what is trouble is loving white people. Now, that’s tough. It’s not God we having trouble loving. Now, loving white people. Now, that’s– that’s difficult. But, King — you know, King helped us on that. But, that is a– that is an agonizing response.

    I– what I think is relevant here is that people are reaching out to Barack Obama, wanting him to address some of the issues that are particularly important to them. And he has addressed one or two, but is not, you know, from the perspective of the people who are asking the question at least, not enough in order to affirm the fact that he really is as much for black people as he is for the state of America. See, and the problem here is, is that whites make it difficult for black people to be black and also for them to support him.

    Because the more you express identity with the community from which you come from if you’re black, the more fear white people have. Now, that’s not true for Italians. That’s not true for Germans. That’s not true for any other group, hardly, except us. Because there– it’s because we haven’t been talking about that lynching tree. We haven’t been talking about slavery, the ugly side of that. So, if Barack Obama comes out and says, “I’m black and I’m proud of it,” well, whites would get nervous. And they would be careful about whether they would vote for him. So, he has a narrow, a narrow– road in which to walk. Because he won’t be elected if he doesn’t get the white vote. It’s hard to get the white vote if you express a kind of affirmative identity with black people. So, you get caught between a rock and a hard place. And that’s where he’s caught.

  90. #90
    On March 19th, 2008 at 1:10 pm, BrianNY said:

    #83 shooter said:

    It makes these long threads impossible to read when nefarious rhetoric weaves it’s ugly head throughout.

    I never understood why others say, “don’t feed the trolls.” Now I know!

    I always viewed trolls as a viable way to fortify one’s view while learning and highlighting the folly of one’s opposition.

    I can certainly understand the frustration of others having to sift through pages of entries in order to follow earlier conversations.

    Apologies.

  91. #91
    On March 19th, 2008 at 1:21 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Version one: “None of these statement were ones that I had heard myself personally in the pews…”

    Version two: “Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes.”

    Well now it’s official, Obama is a liar.

  92. #92
    On March 19th, 2008 at 1:32 pm, almeehan said:

    The source of Chris Matthews tingle has now been finally identified. His has a misaligned pamper that allows leakage when he gets excited. It is nothing more than warm urine running down his leg.
    Grandma is in bad health and Obama decides his grab for power is worth denigrating her sacrifice of raising a black man in Hawaii. No doubt she took a bit of heat about this but loved and cared for him. His thanks? Throw her under the bus. If Jessie Jackson fears blacks walking behind him on a dark street at night, why can’t she?

  93. #93
    On March 19th, 2008 at 1:33 pm, lgm said:

    Hannibal said (#76):

    #56 lgm wrote: “Everyone you don’t like is Hitler? Please find some sense of scale. Murdering millions of people/sitting quietly to an offensive sermon.”

    Sometimes in the heat of the moment small bits of truth slip out. SO, you do feel that he was “sitting quietly to an offensive sermon.”

    I did not say that Obama sat “quietly to an offensive sermon.” You believe he did. What I said was (reworded for he less advanced class) even if he had failed to object to an offensive sermon, that crime is of a different kind from killing millions.

    As for the AIDS thing. It is a widely held belief, alas, like WMD in Iraq. It is irresponsible for Wright to repeat it, but not a lie.

  94. #94
    On March 19th, 2008 at 1:34 pm, Mister P said:

    Well now it’s official, Obama is a liar.

    We know that every time he calls himself black.

  95. #95
    On March 19th, 2008 at 1:38 pm, md1964 said:

    Listening to segments of his speech. I have to wonder.. if he is president, will he hold press conferences where he not only answers the questions, but be the one who asks them too??

    Kinda funny that his trademark is to Ask himself the questions, and then answer them. Makes it kinda easy to prepare your answers I suppose.

  96. #96
    On March 19th, 2008 at 1:39 pm, Mister P said:

    As for the AIDS thing. It is a widely held belief, alas, like WMD in Iraq. It is irresponsible for Wright to repeat it, but not a lie.

    Nice slide into passive voice. Ever take responsibility for what you believe?
    Rather than complain about US causing Aides, why not delve into the real conspiracy. That is the United Nations eliminating the use of DDT in Africa. It has caused millions of deaths from Malaria in Africa. Now we get the nonsensical ads for using Nets to ward off mosquitos, as though people only get bit by mosquitos while sleeping.

  97. #97
    On March 19th, 2008 at 1:56 pm, gunslingerpatriot said:

    obama and wright…
    student/master
    mentoree/mentor
    unknown/known racist

    sounds alot like…..
    sith lord palpatine/darth vader
    jedi knight/padawan
    obi wan/anakin skywalker
    yoda/luke skywalker
    pot-kettle/black
    tweedle dee/tweedle dum
    troll/intelligent discourse

    In short, an oxymoron of the highest caliber.

    GSP :)

  98. #98
    On March 19th, 2008 at 1:58 pm, TheOtherSide said:

    Well now it’s official, Obama is a liar.

    Your argument is fallacious, AlohaGuy!

    Which statements is he refering to in the first quote? Namely, the ones that have had all the airplay. Whereas, in the second quote, he is not refering to specifc statements. Might it be true that he was not present for “these statements”, yet be present for other statements he did not agree with?

  99. #99
    On March 19th, 2008 at 2:05 pm, The Raging Republican said:

    BO says: ‘Help me Obi-Wright-Kanobi, You’re my only hope.’

  100. #100
    On March 19th, 2008 at 2:32 pm, emjem24 said:

    RR #67:

    From what you gathered about Trinity Church and the Black Value System all I can say is that this is some seriously scary stuff. And people want to vote for a guy who was a congregant of Trinity? I think I’m beginning to understand the black community’s whole “victim complex.”

    I just can’t relate to this. This whole black ethic crap is mind-boggling. What the heck is the “uncertainty of externals?” Ummm… jail, impregnation, losing your wordly possessions, what? There are black people out there who are so easily lead that they still believe they live in slave times. Unbelievable.

    I’m about a quarter Native American. I’m proud of this ancestry and realize that the federal government hasn’t always been kind to my ancestors but I don’t have a grudge against this country because of our country’s treatment of Native Americans! While such organizations as AIM (American Indian Movement) developed to fight against “oppression” it also felt it needed to do so through violent means (ala the Black Panthers). This I totally reject.

    My point is: blacks need to stop being so ethnocentric and inward-looking. If they want to so desperately cling to their ancestry… move to Africa and put their ideas to work over there. There’s certainly a power/idea vaccum in places like the Congo and Sudan. Maybe then they won’t feel so “helpless.”

  101. #101
    On March 19th, 2008 at 2:42 pm, taylork said:

    I did not say that Obama sat “quietly to an offensive sermon.” You believe he did. What I said was (reworded for he less advanced class) even if he had failed to object to an offensive sermon, that crime is of a different kind from killing millions.

    If you’re going to pretend like you’re smarter than us and make insulting comments, at least spell them correctly.

  102. #102
    On March 19th, 2008 at 2:47 pm, emjem24 said:

    lgm said:

    Please review for me, with links if possible. I missed the hate sessions where we learned what Wright said that was factually false (as opposed to annoying opinion).

    Where’ve ya been, lgm? Under a troll bridge? I guess you missed all those wonderful sermons describing some of the most useful ideas to ever come from the black community:

    1. The federal government invented the HIV/AIDS virus.

    2. 9/11 was an inside job and that the US deserved it

    3. The US is run by white men.

    I co