Obama trashing his grandmother again? Update: Audio link added
Update: Audio here.
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Reader Edward e-mails:
This morning (Thursday 3/20/08) on WIP AM 610 Sports Radio in Philadelphia, host Angelo Cataldi interviewed Senator Obama. During the beginning of the segment (about 07:40 AM) Mr. Cataldi asked the Senator about his comments on Tuesday regarding his “white” grandmother. I am paraphrasing here, but his response was something like “She is a typical white person who fears people on the street.”
Please try to obtain a tape of the segment and listen to it yourself, but if I heard this correctly, it was another look at who this guy really is.
Hope the radio station posts the audio. Here’s 610’s site.
If this is how Obama responds when he’s “shaken up,” God help us if he’s in the White House during the next terrorist attack or international crisis.
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Dr Paint, you sound like you were involved in some kind of science experiment. I find your comments insulting, demeaning and totally rasict.
On March 20th, 2008 at 11:11 am, Dr. Lead Based Paint said:
Ohhhh…you’re “background” is soooooo insightful!
Lead paint, I am sick and tired of you “broad-minded” idiots telling me “you don’t get it.”
Au contraire, I get it ALL TOO WELL! Whole communities are raised with notions of the country they live in, whose institutions and functions have been set up for the benefit of one race (White), and to the detriment of all others (”People of Color”).
What’s so hard about “getting” that? That concept is so easy, even a numbskull liberal can figure it out. The problem I have with it is that people are being taught that nothing has changed since the 1860’s, and that 2008 America is hell-bent on wiping “people of color” off the face of the Earth.
So, WE’RE racist because we disagree with the lies and ignorance that is being poured out on a black community that is already impressed with the idea that no matter where they go, the deck is stacked against them? WE don’t “get it” when we believe that believing in yourself, in your abilities, and that through effort and perserverance one can rise above their circumstances, rather than blaming your personal failures upon other people?
Lead, when will all this idiotic “black heritage” with all of its propagation of suffering and misery going to end? I’ll tell you, it will NEVER end until people get off their backsides, shake off the chains of their oppressive “heritage”, and joins the rest of us as full citizens of the United States of America, rather than simply making due as mere residents.
If slavery isn’t dead in America, it’s because people have willingly embraced the idea that they are entitled to be where they are, they aren’t concerned about improving their lot in life, and that somebody else is responsible for keeping them there. That is slavery.
The irony in all of it is that there are black conservatives who have and are saying the very same thing I’m saying here, who agonize about the disintagration of the black family, culture, and society, and THEY are labeled as “Uncle Toms”, “Jim Crows”, and “House Negros”.
If someone here doesn’t “get it,” it’s folks like you, paint.
Ignore Dr. Paint. He’s just being a typical white person.
Making it to the fourth grade and sniffing glue doesnt count as broad education and career experience.
Does the fact that I speak truth and condemn your ignorance mean that I am a troll? Let it be the bigoted race-mongers here that are condemned as trolls.
Your reluctance to accept the present as interpreted through the past demonstrates your lack of cognizance which is a near universal symptom of Government school graduates.
Grandma got run over by Obama
(Glowbama Black Church Choral arrangement for rap video)
(chorus)
Grandma got run over by Obama,
In a speech defending Wright’s church yester-eve.
You might say there’s no such thing as “sainthood”,
But after Saint Obama, I believe!
(verse one)
People say he walks on water,
his nether regions sure don’t stink,
but even if he gives a good speech
That loony Pastor Wright might make him sink!
Wright says that we all must be racist,
’cause we’re white while he’s all black,
Like a tried true lib’rul creedo,
when you’re wrong it must be time to go on attack!
(chorus)
Now Grandma raised him up to be a good boy,
Never taught “ebonics” to the lad,
But as he’s learned from the good Pastor,
Espousing “race” is the new fad.
So life was rough for the “Obama”,
got new white shoes to match his trike,
that middle class was so darn racist
they must have kept ‘im down, says Pastor Wright.
(chorus)
So to defend egregious statments,
Saint Obama sacrificed his glow.
Got up high upon his soapbox,
and trampled little Grandma into the snow.
Poor ol’ Grandma must sure love him,
provided for him as it seems,
But Grandma can’t elect him Pres’dent
Naw, for that we need Black Hope, and Change, and Dreams!
(everybody sings, holding hands, We Are The World style, complete with Michael Jackson)
Grandma got run over by Obama,
In a speech defending Wright’s cruel bigotry,
You might say we’re awful wicked racists
but after he gave his that speech, we believe.
Yes, St. Obama spoke, now we believe!
Dr. Lead is a typical “white” racist, who forgot that we fought to end slavery, while Africa is still dealing in slaves.
They don’t call them slaves, but abductees. When they become too big at age 16-18, they are murdered and a new crop of abductees are recruited.
And I thought dakine was supposed to give us the “word for the day”.
bigoted race-mongers
Now go play with your sheep(skin) Doc.
Street Smart Grannies
Sounds like Obama’s white grandmother is very street smart and her actions (words) while walking down that street were designed to protect her own. Obama is an IDIOT for not recognizing this and mostly for using her as a political campaign analogy tool.
What an ASS***E Obama is.
Being WHITE she does NOT get Street Cred for teaching her grand children to be cautious, safe and secure at all times and being aware of your surroundings. This is “motherly” not racism.
Recent events tell the tale of this concisely:
The two white Co-Eds in Auburn/Opelika, AL and Durham, NC senselessly killed/murdered by young black thugs for robbery/rape motives. Where did these Thugs get their rearing and upbringing?
What about the BLACK on BLACK crime statistics? These black preachers using racism at the podium belittles their own to their own.
rooster,
Did you hear that on the Rusty Humphries show yesterday? He just got back from a fact finding mission there. Truly horrifying.
This statement:
…is utter gobbledygook. People who live through past wrongs committed towards OTHER PEOPLE BY OTHER PEOPLE is DELUSION! This is IDIOCY!!!
What “truth”? Everything you’ve said is based upon your personal experiences, which, based upon what you are SAYING is very poor evidence of “truth,” seeing as how you are terribly deluted.
Yes tgusa,
I heard it before, but never in detail like Rusty described.
Ironic that Obama’s church’s allegiance is to Africa first and yet they rant about the bondage they are in here in America.
#101 On March 20th, 2008 at 11:52 am, Dr. Lead Based Paint said:
“Does the fact that I speak truth and condemn your ignorance mean that I am a troll? Let it be the bigoted race-mongers here that are condemned as trolls.
Your reluctance to accept the present as interpreted through the past demonstrates your lack of cognizance which is a near universal symptom of Government school graduates.”
Well, as the Brits say, Lead’s post #101 put paid to any doubt I might have had about whether the posts were “real” or tongue in cheek.
Such over-the-top arrogance!
Hey, Lead-based, I got news for you:
I’m just as smart as you.
I didn’t say I’m smarter than you; but, I can easily assure you that you are no smarter than I.
You tip us off to what you really are by using a lot more words, and goose-pimple-inducing ones at that, than are necessary to state your point: you think we are mouth-breathing knuckle-draggers.
Oops, if I don’t stop, I’ll be almost as guilty as you.
You think we are ignorant and stupid.
There…fixed it.
Get lost, clown.
On March 20th, 2008 at 12:10 pm, granite said:
Well, if you don’t say it, I will:
Lead-based, you’re an irrational dumkoff! Use you brain instead of your warped feelings.
Who would’ve thunk that we had so many poet-song writers on this site? LOL!!
Wright’s statements can be concisely summed up with:
1. We are Black, so we are oppressed by whites because our ancestors were once oppressed by whites.
2. We are Black so we are owed something by whites.
3. If white culture won’t give us everything we demand, we should just take it.
America certainly isn’t perfect, and no one will argue this, but warts and all, she’s still the prettiest toad in the swamp! I have friends of all races, religions, and gender, and typically, those who work hardest are rewarded with the most. People who settle for hand-outs are never satisfied with what they receive. This is not a function of “culture” or “race” but is simply a result of living in a FREE MARKET SOCIETY! It’s a result of CAPITALISM. He (or she) who is worth the most to others will be paid the most.
Pastor Wright cannot see this, unfortunately. Bill Cosby, on the other hand, DID see this, firsthand, as an entertainer of note. I believe that’s what makes him so bitter today towards others of his own race. I believe that Chris Rock also sees this, and plays off of it with his humor, much of it aimed at “black culture”.
The key irony is that both worked, or are working, in their chosen fields, and are successful at it. Unfortunately, “success” is definied in Wright’s view of black culture, as being a “sell out to the white man”. You’re a “sellout” if you earn money. In his view, if Bill Gates were black, he’d be a sellout, not a successful business man.
Obama doesn’t see it. His wife Michelle doesn’t see it. To preach about “hope and change” while holding fast to the very core beliefs of “black racism” is to simply have exchanged the white robes of the Klan for black ones. The Klan was bad, no doubt, but Wright’s church and teachings do nothing but establish a counter-culture of racial hatred. Neither group serves the best interests of individuals of any race in a free market societ like ours, where ability is the most coveted possession anyone can have.
Just when I thought I could be over the white guilt I was required to believe in, some black reverend spews racial and bigoted remarks.
Now I’m told that because of what he said I’m even more of a racist.
Maybe if I really started to be a racist, racism would end?
Actually, Dr. Lead offers us a unique opportunity here. We are fortunate, because we now have a perfect example of “White Guilt” being offered to us – up close and personal – to examine and learn from.
Think about this: if what he says is true, then he’s the only type of white person a lot of the militant black types are exposed to – after all, he says he was the ONLY white person to attend an all-black church.
If you were black and your only exposure to white people was somebody like Dr. Lead, wouldn’t you “hate whitey” too?
On March 20th, 2008 at 12:28 pm, governmentdrone said:
Perhaps not, but I certainly wouldn’t have any respect for him.
For the pause that refreshes best!
When all else fails it’s “biggoted race mongers” to the rescue.
Perpetual state of victim. The inferred blacks are not racist it’s the other guys also fits well. I’d give it a 97.
Being a southern white boy, would it due to hate myself? Would that fix the problem?
Good one soap!
With all the talented people here, surely there must be someone who can play the gee-tar and sing like Dr. Elmo and can put these various versions on YouTube. Anyone? Anyone? Beuller? Beuller?
“Let it be the bigoted race-mongers here that are condemned as trolls.”? I thought we already did that? That lead has gone to your head.
When my ancestors were actually fighting in the Civil war leads were no doubt playing a game of big brother. Both sides, one a volunteer from Kansas that went in in 61 a brown haired young man, came out in 65 with a headful of grey ones. The other was a son of a small town Mississippi Dr.(a real one) and a southern cross recipient. The Dr. didn’t believe in keeping slaves and he treated blacks as well as whites. In those days Dr’s were able to do pretty much what they wanted, to harm them was to threaten everyone around town. You might end up hanging around somewhere permanently. So save your big brother bs for TV. This coalition has been forged through the fire of battle not by social experiments.
On March 20th, 2008 at 12:28 pm, governmentdrone said:
If you were black and your only exposure to white people was somebody like Dr. Lead, wouldn’t you “hate whitey” too?
That is too funny.
Not only hate the whitey, but know they are ignorant cowards!
Can we please just ignore lgm, Dr. Lead Based Paint and all the other trolls. We don’t really need to refute their claims….. their own statements show how misguided they are discredits them enough as it is.
Don’t let them frame the context of the discussion on this site!
I agree, please don’t feed the trolls.
If Obama wins the presidency, will the black community still hate “the man”? After all, its hard to hate “the man” when you are “the man”.
Leave black people alone!
Er, um… Leave white people alone!
Can’t we just get along?
#126 30 pcs of silver:
Good one!
With which most, if not all, of us (excluding the trolls) undoubtedly agree.
Just keep on keeping on.
How can the hate ever stop with Rev Wright, Jackson, Sharpton and who knows how many more.
I believe race relations would be worse with Obama as POTUS.
We have to stop being apologist for something that we fought the Civil War for and won.
Why is slavery still accepted in Africa TODAY, in the year 2008, yet we are supposed to be forever guilt ridden for the sins of people that haven’t been alive for GENERATIONS?
You seem to be unaware that most of the dirt is being thrown by the Clinton campaign. Most of the rest is being provided by Obama and his “minister”, via videotapes that were not recorded by anti-Obama spies, but which are FOR SALE by the church itself.
Rumor has it code pink is custom fitting a new bright pink robe for the “former” pastor to be their new leader.
#129 On March 20th, 2008 at 1:09 pm, txvet2 said:
“…most of the dirt is being thrown by the Clinton campaign. Most of the rest is being provided by Obama and his “minister”, via videotapes that were not recorded by anti-Obama spies, but which are FOR SALE by the church itself.”
Correct.
As the saying goes, when your opposition is in the middle of destroying themselves, do not interfere.
It appears that some people are passing rumor and falsehood as fact here.
Let’s look at “hundreds of years” of slavery in the United States.
The US originally colonized by many different nations. Great Britain, Spain, Portugal and France all help claim to some part of the New World.
While Great Britain finally wrested control from the other nations of the original 13 colonies, there were still other parts of the US that were under control of various other countries.
In 1776, the original 13 British colonies for the first time declared their independence from Great Britain. The British did not quite agree with that move, and fought hard to keep those colonies under British rule until 1783. It took another 4 years (September 17, 1787) for the new States to agree upon a Constitution that bound them together.
At the time the Constitution was ratified, slavery was legal in the US as it was in the rest of the modern world. Even while the Declaration of Independence was being drafted and debated, there was a strong contingent, led by Thomas Jefferson, that wanted to include the abolition of slavery as an article in the road map for the new nation. That effort was abandoned when it became clear that the agrarian states were so dependent on slave labor that their agreement to such a provision would have thwarted any effort at independence. Great Britain still practiced slavery, and such a radical departure from the status quo at the time would have guaranteed the failure of independence.
Slavery was practiced in the new United States for until Lincoln’s Emancipation proclamation in 1862 – a period of 75 years after ratification of the Constitution.
During those 75 years, the new nation was somewhat preoccupied with maintaining its status as a sovereign entity in the world. There were the frontier battles with the Indians from 1775 through the late 1800’s, various rebellions (Shay’s rebellion from 1786-1787, the Whiskey rebellion in 1794 and Fries Rebellion in 1799), a small war with France between 1798 and 1800, the Barbary Wars from 1800 to 1815, the War of 1812 from 1812 to 1815, and the Mexican-American War from 1846 to 1848. While emancipation was still an unresolved issue in the new republic, the security of the republic took precedence.
Meanwhile, in Great Britain, the slave trade was declared to be illegal in 1807. That law, however, only dealt with the trade in slaves and did not apply to slaves already held as such within the Empire. It was not until 1833 that the British outlawed all slavery.
The abolitionist movement in the US had succeeded in outlawing slavery in all northern states by 1804. In this post-Constitution era, the issue of abolition was dealt with at the state, rather than the federal, level. Following on the heels of Great Britain, the US did outlaw the importation of slaves in 1808. But, like Great Britain, that act did not outlaw the ownership of existing slaves.
Between 1804, when the last of the Northern States outlawed slavery, and the Civil War, the tensions between the abolitionist North and the slave-owning South continued to fester. The issue of slavery, among other issues, caused a secession movement in the South. The election of a Republican as President of the US in 1860 sparked the formation of the Confederate States of America and the formal attempt to secede from the union.
By 1861, the tension between the North and South had reached a boiling point, leading to the Confederate assault on Fort Sumter in April of 1861.
The Civil War resulted in the deaths of over 600,000 soldiers on both sides http://www.civilwarhome.com/casualties.htm. At the cost of 600,000 American lives, slavery was finally abolished in the US. The loss of life in the fight against slavery is reported to exceed the loss of life in all wars from the Revolutionary War through Vietnam.
What makes the 600,000 deaths even more stunning, is to place that loss in the context of the entire US population at the time. The 1860 census revealed a total population of 31 million people, with only 8% of families identified as slave owners. The deaths of those 600,000 Americans freed almost 4 million slaves. http://www.civil-war.net/census.asp?census=Total
The US as a country has a 75 year, not a 400 year of slavery. And to those that question whether America has atoned for that abominable practice, I would ask whether the blood of 600,000 men comprising over 2% of the entire US population at the time, was an acceptable sacrifice.
I fully understand that this does not address the offenses caused by discrimination via Jim Crow and other laws which arose after the Civil War. But I wanted to address the ridiculous assertions on America’s history of slavery, and the total disregard for the very dear costs America paid for that evil.
Sorry for the lengthy post, but it appeared necessary to inject some facts into the debate.
Well said, Jim M.
Excellent post Jim, but unfortunately telling the truth to lib trolls is just casting pearls before swine.
#132 Jim M.:
No apologies necessary.
Well said, and correct.
So sad that your post was stuff that I had been taught in public school ~40-45 years ago; but that, lamentably, is no longer taught in as many locations, nor as frequently, nor as well and thoroughly as it used to be.
But, don’t want to get off topic here…mustn’t get distracted by attracting and shooting alligators; while we’re trying to drain the swamp.
One job at a time….
If I had any “white guilt” it’s gone now. I gave it to Dr. Lead Based.
If I say Dr. White Lead Based Paint would that be racist? Improper? Bigoted?
That depends, soap, are you saying White or more of an Eggshell? Creamsickle, maybe?
Jim M.:
Great post. The only problem is that the libs and others who insist on the whole “400 years of slavery to atone for” myth are always, ALWAYS, going to hold America and Americans responsible for everything that happened on this continent from the time that Columbus arrived here.
And there’s very little chance of overcoming that type of ignorance.
Soap:
Off-white, maybe?
Very good synopsis Jim.
Pretty well sums it up. The US inherited a problem that took 75 years and 600,000 lives to clean up. The North did much to reestablish the new free men and women in the South, that the bitter Southern whites worked hard to eventually undermine. The Raleigh New and Observer apologized only 2 years ago for its role in the coup at Wilmington that lead to the Jim Crow laws. It took a challenge of states rights in the 1950s and 1960s to finally end these Jim Crow laws. While I think all of us think the slavery legacy is disgraceful, I think most of us would agree that after all these years, indulging in self pity and victimhood only holds back African Americans. We have had integration, equal opportunity laws, public education, anti-discrimination laws in effect for 2 generations now.
Hating America certainly is not a way to get a new President elected and blaming conservatives and Republicans for bringing up the obvious racial and political attitudes of Obama’s minister does nothing to help Obama get elected.
This may be even worse than we thought. Video evidence here that Obama may actually be…IRISH!
That’s right Jim M. great post, it is a proud history that everyone should be made aware of. Unfortunately there are a number of people in the USA that seek to make every thing good bad and every thing bad good. The retrocrats. And lets not forget the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth Amendments, the Civil Rights Acts of 1866 and 1875, Brown v. Board of Education and the 1957 Civil Rights Act. All passed by Republicans and all opposed by democrats.
Jim M.#132
Good post but, you forgot the forty acres and a mule that the freed slaves were promised!
Audio of Obama’s radio comments here.
Jim M—good post. however,
The emancipation proclamation didn’t free all the salves. The thirteenth Amendment did in 1865. President Lincoln only freed slaves in “States under rebellion”; this did not apply to the 14 Border States. Slavery was still legal in those states after the emancipation proclamation.
/s/
José
txvet2 said (#129):
How many people here work for Clinton? You’ve spend the last week doing nothing but throwing what monkeys throw at Obama.
You say he’s an anti white racist. Look in his legislative record for that: his championing of health care in Illinios, his work on ethics reform in Washington, his opposition to the Iraq war. If you want to argue about Obama, at argue about what he’s actually about.
Sounds like Dr. Lead Based Paint fancies himself a modern-day Dr. Livingston living amongst the natives.
How good of you to educate us plebes on your quaint observances of their lifestyle.
If you want to get to the heart of Obama’s belief system simply ask him if OJ is guilty of murder. If he hems and haws for even a second he’s nailed!
Can anyone drag up Wright’s sermon from the week after OJ was declared innocent by a jury of his peers?
I want to walk door to door with Obama to help him campaign. First we can hit this prime voting block Then we can go hit the Latino Neighborhood and ask this fine young gentleman for his vote (caution, vile hate speech in that last one.)
At the NY Times, the whiny ultraliberals Roger Cohen and Nicholas Kristof took turns today debating which one of them had more libidinous feelings toward Barack Obama. Both columnists argued that Obama has come to us as the Messiah so that he (Obama) can make white folks more decent and less racist. Both Cohen and Kristof claimed that they themselves were free of racism and prejudice but other whites (aside from the perfect people who work for the NY Times) are in deed of Barack’s devine guidance. The odd thing about both Kristof and Cohen is that although both men are fervidly against any displays of religion in public life, both men believe that Obama is a devine figure and they believe that Obama has magical powers to heal the afflict. Cohen concludes by determining that African-Americans, including Wright, have no prejudice in their hearts. On the other hand all white folks outside of the NY Times staff are deeply flawed.
Last year, a colleague of mine and I were walking in D.C. when he noticed a couple of black men who appeared to be following us (kept the same pace, stopped when we did, etc.). Fortuntely for us, he is a federal agent; so he just opened his jacket so that his Glock .40 caliber was clearly visible on his hip. Next time we looked around, they were gone. A few minutes later, a passing D.C. Metro police cruiser passing by stopped to ask him about the visible firearm. He showed them his creds and they went on their way. We were luckier that Obama’s grandmother and Jesse Jackson, I guess. If not for the D.C. gun ban, I would have had mine strapped on also (perfectly legal in Virginia to open carry). Let’s hope the Supreme Court doesn’t take this right away.
Exactly why I don’t want this socialist anywhere near the White House.
I’m not “rich” by any stretch. Heck, I barely scratch my way into “lower middle-class”, but I have a job with fantastic health insurance. Costs me a little more than $30 a month. I just had to have major surgery – the bills were over $100,000.00 for 2 separate hospital stays. My total out of pocket expenses were two (2) hospital co-pays of $300.00
This was also major surgery in which time was of the essence. I got into a doctor immediately, got an appointment with a surgeon in just a couple of days and the surgery was scheduled and performed within four (4) days of meeting with the surgeon for the first time.
I’ll work as hard as I can to defeat ANYBODY who wants to install a “single-payer” or “government-sponsored” or (let’s call it what it really is) SOCIALIZED medicine scheme. And no matter what name you want to call it by, Barack Hussein Obama is one of the biggest proponents of it in public office today.
And yeah, I dared to use his middle name. So what?
Yes John Ansell it is getting ugly out there. I have no doubt that we are preparing for a major crackdown. This isn’t going to fly we have seen enough of riots and racists. And when it happens all loyal American citizens of all races are going to be ready to back up the authorities if need be. One things certain they wont have Asian grocers to kick around this time they all moved out of the county to, well for lack of a better word white neighborhoods. I guess they are a little like BHO’s gramma.
Fear not, black – and white students are being taught this very thing, at this very moment, at higher institutions across the globe. It’s not relegated to the churches… which has to be the strangest part of all of this. A church? I guess when you think about WBC it isn’t all that surprising that most use the pulpit to spout their vitirol.
On March 20th, 2008 at 1:57 pm, lgm said:
But that’s what we’re saying, lgm, it’s what he really stands for – as epitomized by the gif in the poster on the other thread, and his linking his own grandmother to a questionable character like Rev. Wright – that we find so disturbing.
If the manner in which Obama is dealing with this crisis over race is any indication of how he would govern as President, where crises are an everyday occurrence, then I think discussions of this caliber are most appropriate.
And as for his legislative record – YIKES – now that’s scary!
I believe I posted this on another thread but it seems to me I read somewhere about Sharpton calling for riots if Obama doesn’t get the nomination.
Everybody gets to have a temper tantrum except me. Discrimination! sarc/off
Let’s get to the point. The ravings of Wright are far past those of an angry black man and enter into the pathologic psychiatric realm. If he believes our government invented the AIDS virus, and in addition, infected the black population with it, he is PARANOID. So now we’ve named it for what it is….a mental illness that is shared by the members of a cult in Chicago. This is not a Christian church in any way that Jesus Christ himself would describe it. Where is the “Love thy neighbor”?
I just wanted to say that the two best posts so far, IMHO, are #102 RotaryMunkey’s perfect Grandma song, and #132 Jim M.’s great post about the factual history of slavery in America.
Thank you both for your great work!
Mr Vibeman,
Nobody likes a kiss-up.
Just teasin’, they are excellent posts.
I didn’t know that monkeys were throwing things at Obama.
#162:
Rim shot for Salt.
Good one!
governmentdrone said (#154):
DBNinKY said (#157):
This is what you should be doing — arguing the issues.
As for the #132 (history of slavery): oppression of blacks was not over in 1865 (and IMHWO – W for white- is not over yet). Google things like Jim Crow, sharecropper, KKK, segregation.
LOL, I can’t listen to the video on this computer, but I just sent my cousin an email to see if I’m related to him. My mom’s maiden name is Dunham. And we’re from the heartland.
Why does it have to be a white opinion? Is it like a white lie? Half the calories and none of the fat?
Honestly, lgm, I don’t care what color you are. Why should that matter?
I’m trying to wrap my head around the fact that you are white, but say you are a member of several all black churches.
Wouldn’t your membership negate the “all” in ALL black?
The fact that you can even talk about “all black” churches and then rail against your perceived notion of racial discrimination here (seriously, who here said anything about black Americans not being citizens??) diminishes your point.
Why call it “all black”, if not a for underlying notion of discrimination against non-black? Otherwise, shouldn’t it simply be known by its religious faith? Don’t you do it an injustice by referring to it as an all black church?
I would personally be ashamed to reference any church as ‘all-white’ and would shun such a congregation.
On March 20th, 2008 at 2:53 pm, lgm said:”
Once Obama has secured the Dem. nomination, I suspect we will definitely be debating the issues here – good grief, the debate over his anti-Iraq vote alone will require more threads than MM may care to give it – but right now the focus is where it should be, on Obama’s character and associations. I meant to facetiously imply as much with my YIKES comment.
Although not addressed to me, I want to say that every segment of our society can point to some socio-econ oppression in their history, whether it be based on race or class or gender, but the trick is not to dwell on it and to move ahead with one’s life.
Very telling there lgm. You say that, but then you DON’T argue the issues. Very telling indeed.
Go home lgm. Your bridge misses you.
Obama’s paranoid granny must be where he learned those “tricks” and “tactics” in dealing with “typical” white people and how to “not make any sudden moves”.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/03/obama_no_sudden_moves_when_tal.html
lgm said:
Well, I don’t know how many people honestly believe that. A few snide remarks all somewhat tongue in cheek. Though it does bring up an issue of his wisdom that he should attempt to establish street cred’ in the ‘hood by associating with such a virulent America-hating pastor. Regardless of whether you think that hate is justified or not, Obama is running for position of leadership of that very same country that is so reviled by one of his closest associates. That is simply unwise on so many levels.
Which is a very fair point (and one I think answered by governmentdrone who had a similar experience as my mother 20 years ago which is one of the reasons I too oppose single-payer socialized medicine, but that’s another long drawn-out discussion).
Hey! Now that you all have spoken, I think I’m right! I am not only more intelligent than you, but – based on general principle – I am better than you!
Now, back to my original point: you unfairly judge Black people because you have zero perspective on their culture and heritage. You do not consider that they might think differently from you. This is because you are non-black race supremacists who think that everyone should think and act like you.
Let go of all these trumped up accusations against Obama’s preacher. He’s a Man of God just as much as any other preacher is, so leave him alone.
Not to mention how she sacrificed for that ungrateful BRAT.
She should be ashamed to claim him!
Guess he resents having a white person in the family. Probably hates his mom too.
Come on, Lead, fess up. You’re sarcasm device is stuck on, isn’t it! It’s gotta be…
Good one Dr. Lead. You really had me going most of the day today. Biggest problem was that you just didn’t get quite far enough out there until that last post.
Kudos to you. Well played indeed, if somewhat unfairly by not being quite outrageous enough to be easily recognized as being sarcastic.
Otherwise, my hat’s off to you.
Sheesh. Had me suckered.
I started to respond to that last one until I realized that it had every single one of the classic elements…
The oxymoronic non-black race supremacists really had me floored in its ridiculousness.
You know, I suspected from the very first with his line about vast educational and career experience, but that post was too close to call.
However, he consistently was vague about that experience, in exactly the way a typical under-bridge dweller would be, so I kept going Hmmmmm…..
governmentdrone is right, until that last one, it was an iffy call.
Landed me. I feel like a fishcake right now.
governmentdrone said (#169):
OK, let’s take up just one issue, the invasion of Iraq. Obama opposed it saying: (1) the intel is unreliable, (2) the cost could be far more than the $50B estimate, (3) Al Qaeda is in Afganistan and Pakistan, not Iraq. Let’s attack the enemies responsible for 9/11, (4) If we remove forces from Afganistan to fight in Iraq, parts of Afganistan will fall back under Taliban control.
Look now . . . he was right in all counts while Bush/McCain/Clinton were wrong. Who had the better judgement? Obama.
Dr. Lead:
I started suspecting sarcasm, but then got fooled big time.
Do I feel like a chump, or what.
I think there were those of us, granite, that had this guy’s number. The only chump is him. I’m suspicious by nature… I guess that’s just the “white supremecist” in me. Okay, I’m being sarcastic, you got me.
The Blessing of Grandparents
a sampling of African-American wisdom
What exactly is your point? Obama was safely tucked inside the Illinois legislature when the decision to go to war was made. He wasn’t part of it. There was no “responsibility” he could take for any decision he would have made had he been a senator at the time.
I’m constantly astounded that people point out how “right” Obama was about the war so therefore that must meant he has “good judgement.” He was never exposed to the intelligence that the President or Congress was. He never had to make a call. How is any of this proof of “good judgement?” Because he parades it out for feckless folk like you to lap up with pride and adoration?
We had the best possible intelligence at the time. It was flawed and off the mark and left several countries with egg on their faces. We were relying on those countries’ intelligence agencies for reliable evidence. We later found out differently.
Your take that Obama was somehow right about the whole thing screams Monday morning quarterbacking. We’re in the here and now. Obama has also had regrets about his decision and has spoken so. He wondered if he had made the wrong choice.
Please take another look at his record… you might be surprised how that belies his good judgement on Iraq. If you can get past the blinding glow that is.
I remember some older black people say that it was safer to walk in a black neighborhood than a white neighborhood, up through the 50s. I know Green Valley in Arlington (Va.) was all black, and the oldtimers there said the neighborhood took care of its kids. One got out of line, a neighbor had the okay to punish him before he/she went home. Walter Williams, a well-known columist/economist also stated that black neighborhoods in Philly were quite safe, compared to white neighborhoods. It wasn’t until the liberals/democrats came up with the “war on poverty” that everything changed. Neighborhoods got poorer, not richer, especially in morals and values. It has continued to this day,with another generation coming up with entitlement “fever”. The D.C. public school system in the 50s was the pride of the nation. Now it’s one of the worse. With no incentive to do anything more than what is absolutely necessary (the result of socialism), the desire to succeed faded. It was easier to speak excuses, play victim and the blame game, and wait for the next government check. A lot of people just don’t understand that when you remove desire and self-respect, nothing gets done. Why should I work every day, if I can sit on my butt, blame some illegal, for example, and collect a check every month? If I had to work, why should I work any harder or with more desire to succeed, when it isn’t recognized for its value? My kids grow up with the same values. Soon, everything falls apart, a no-one cares, other than to, again, play the blame game. This is why socialism is, and will always be, a failure. Yet, it seems, a lot of people in this country want socialism, and a “nanny state”. This is what the politicians feed on. They promise, and everyone cheers. As far as I feel…”Get out of my way, government, I’ve got my work to do and a new idea that may help.”
emjem24 said (#183):
Except that he said it before the kickoff. The guy who was right might have something to say to the guy who was wrong.
Rasmussen says the bleeding has stopped from the Wright wound, but I’m not so sure. If he’s the Democratic nominee, this will be back, whether John McCain wants to talk about it or not.
On March 20th, 2008 at 4:28 pm, lgm said:
This is so laughable. Excuse me a moment…(LMHO) Ahhhh….(catching my breath)…
Obama had nothing to do with voting regarding either military campaign. He wasn’t even a senator yet. Ever since the Iraq/Afaghanistan campaigns began, he’s been on both sides of the issues.
Here’s an Obama quote in July of 2004:
“There’s not much of a difference between my position on Iraq and George Bush’s position at this stage.”
“Judgement?” A president doesn’t have the luxury of changing his mind once he’s MADE a decision. Obama wants you koolaid-drinkers to listen to him NOW, and ignore what he’s said and done in the past. Obama’s “judgement” is highly, HIGHLY questionable!