More anti-war nutballs to add to the Unhinged photo gallery: Thugs attack in Chicago and Philly
Video of the “Catholic Schoolgirls Against the War” assault on the Holy Name church yesterday:
This is absolutely disgusting, and perfectly in keeping with criminal anti-war thuggery. Remember that past protesters–also Catholic– have actually used their own real blood to vandalize recruitment centers. Guess these idiots in Chicago didn’t have the stomach for that, so they used “stage blood:”
Six people were arrested at Holy Name parish’s auditorium Sunday after disrupting an Easter mass to protest the Iraq war.
The group—whose female and male members identified themselves as Catholic Schoolgirls Against the War—stood up at the beginning of Cardinal Francis George’s homily and shouted their opposition to the conflict, which marked its fifth anniversary last week. As security guards and ushers tried to remove them from the service, the demonstrators squirted fake blood on themselves and parishioners dressed in their Easter finery.
The red substance, which one protester later described as “stage blood,” initially drew gasps and a few terrified yelps from the 600 worshipers at the mass. The shock, however, quickly transformed into anger as people booed the six while they were escorted from the parish auditorium.
The perpetrators:
The protesters were all charged with felony criminal damage to property and two counts of simple battery for squirting the blood around the auditorium and onto worshipers’ clothes, authorities said. Chicago police identified the six arrested as Donte D. Smith, 18; Ephran Ramirez Jr., 22; Ryane Ziemba, 25; Mercedes Phinaih, 18; Regan Maher, 25; and Angela Haban, 20.
Let’s watch carefully to see how the prosecution proceeds. If past history is any indication, they’ll get off with slaps on the wrist.
More at Gateway Pundit (who has the mugshots) and from Ed at Hot Air.
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Meanwhile, in Philadelphia, a lovely conservative blogger I met at the Gathering of Eagles, Skye at Midnight Blue, reports that she was slapped by the peace-mongers from Chester County Peace Movement (CCPM) at an anti-war protest. Melanie Morgan has more. Photos of the arrest here.
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There is a time, and a place for everything. Why on earth do these nutroots not understand that? Nothing is sacred to them…save their twisted agenda to stop this war.
Scum.
No good Catholic would interrupt the mass with a political protest, particularly during Holy Week and furthermore particularly on Easter Sunday. I don’t care how they identify themselves - Catholic schoolgirls against the War, or whatever. Clearly their political interests have overcome any theological interests they might have once held.
Many Catholic schoolgirls are not actually Catholic; they just attend Catholic schools. Additionally, as former Governor Eliot Spitzer (D-NY) can probably tell you, a lot of Catholic schoolgirls are neither Catholic nor are they schoolgirls.
Isn’t the act of striking another person assault & battery?
I think our colleges are teaching this crap to our kids. Ages 18, 18, 20, 22, 25. Where is their stupid organization based? The church members should sue the organizers for emotional distress on the children. And keep them tied up in court as long as they can. Make these losers start paying out of their pockets for lawyers, because going to court without a lawyer is like taking a knife to a gun fight.
Sponsored by a pro-Palestinian group? Wouldn’t that make this a hate crime?
Standing by…
…and their immigration status is…?
Okay they specifically targeted this church and service, so why is a hate crime charge also not there? I hope these people get persecuted to the full extent of the law and they don’t allow any plea bargain.
So let me get this straight - they’re protesting the war by USING VIOLENCE?
I’m sure that irony wasn’t lost on the other regulars in this blog!
What the hell is wrong with these people?
Oh, they are nuts. This isn’t even about their cause, it is all about them.
This was an attack on Catholic parishoners who had gathered in their sanctuary to practice their religious beliefs.
I hope future criminal charges against these people reflect this.
Re the Chicago protest: Some protests are designed to ruffle feathers. I wouldn’t call this “disgusting” as much as I would call it “stupid.” They weren’t trying to win anyone over. They were trying to generate media attention and they found a way to do just that.
As for the slap on the wrist, yeah, there is no way that a felony charge is going to stick. Misdemeanor simple assault is much more reasonable. Maybe we’ll get lucky and they’ll be forced to do their community service at that church.
Rusty said” They were trying to generate media attention and they found a way to do just that.”
I suggest self-immolationnext time, that’s alwasy a headline grabber!
Rusty, nice attempt at being apologist extraordinaire… as for your “Maybe we’ll get lucky…” give me a break…
I’m glad I wasn’t in Philly. Nothing pushes me over the edge faster than a man abusing a woman or child.
I know I would have gone to jail, but I would have gone proud.
I think this applies.
From Al Qaeda’s Fantasy Ideology By Lee Harris:
ronrockstar-
You have no idea what kind of indoctrination is going on in our colleges. Lets just say David Limbaughs book “Professors” just barely touches the surface of it.
I have been one of the few students at my school that has spoken up against some of my profs-especially the psych, sociology and english ones.
GSP
The male members identified themselves as Catholic Schoolgirls Against the War?
Their parents must be so proud. You can’t even stand up as Catholic SchoolBOYS.
This was a threat and an aggravated assault against the people gathered to worship. Remember the church in Colorado where the armed wacko was going to kill? Same threat here as the worshippers had no idea if these people were armed or not. Rusty doesn’t think felony will stick. Well there are some things I can stick right where they don’t want it.
By the way Michelle, Skye at midnightblue is attractive but doesn’t hold a candle to you! Good blog though thanks for the reference.
Professor Street at Meridian Community College has told his students that Bush was responsible for 9/11.
I sent an email to the college president, Dr. Scott Elliot, he gave me a grievance advisor’s name.
Of course I told him I contacted the big dog and that is as far as I would go with my complaint, the rest is on him.
Yes, these morons are being bred this in our schools and universities.
The name chosen obviously has nothing to do with the religious affiliation of its members. They’re just playing on the “Catholic schoolgirl” fetish.
The irony is that if these “Catholic schoolgirls” got what they are protesting for our country would become the United Caliphates of Mohammed and they would all be under Sharia law. There wouldn’t be any more Catholic schoolgirl outfits for them, and no more school either. The burqa and hajib, and if they happened to show up somewhere to protest in the group like they did - they would be stoned to death for being out in public without a male member of their family for each of them.
If this had been a mosque, the FBI would have charged them with terrorizing, civil rights violations, etc.
Instead, we have; “MOVE ON, NOTHING TO SEE HERE”
Kevin #3 said..
that’s funny right there, I dont care who you are..
The protesters may have been distasteful, but in the end little harm was done. Much worse happens at abortion clinics every day — hurled blood disruptions, shouting.
marxist playbook:
stage protest…
when protests start to get old hat and getting ignored by the media, take it up a level.. bring in some violence..
little by little..
then a ‘peace’ riot will happen at a rally.. someone might be killed or trampled..
LGM,
and that is just in the operating room
Thanks, Dave. I try.
(Deep bow)
Thanks, lgm. I was wondering when someone would minimize this. Didn’t take long. Now I’m just waiting for the “they were Catholic - they deserve it” argument.
Let me make this clear: Easter is the holiest day in the Christian church. In the Catholic Church, it is our most solemn season.
It is the holiday on which our faith hinges. Christmas is important, but Easter - the day Christ rose from the dead - surpasses even Christmas.
Why? Because Christians believe that what happened to Christ will happen to us. Christ died and rose for our salvation - to pay for Adam’s sin and to pay for OUR sin and secure for us the promise of heaven and an eternal relationship with God.
So to disrupt the Mass on Easter Sunday is beyond the pale.
These people are not Catholic. There is a modicum that Catholics are expected to maintain at the Mass - fitting of the dignity of the Mass.
They failed.
This is a hate crime and a felony. These people should do some hard jail time.
But they won’t. They only bothered some stupid Catholics at their silly Mass, right? No harm done.
And then they wonder why my respect for a majority of liberals is dwindling.
LarryD, love the excerpt. I think that’s exactly right. It’s why I can’t coddle up to protesters even though I oppose the war in Iraq as well. The fantasy of having a part in ending this war is more powerful than the realization that these protests only succeed in pissing people off.
LGM, I wouldn’t be so quick to use the equivalence card. You and I can agree that many abortion protests go over the line, but that doesn’t make what these bozos in Chicago did acceptable.
And JHSII, that’s a typical oversimplification. Opposing the war in Iraq is not an invitation for fundamentalist Muslims to walk all over us. Iraq, for all of its evils, wasn’t even a fundamentalist country. Their sworn enemy was Iran! Women had more rights in Iraq than they did in Saudi Arabia or Iran or a host of other countries with Islamic law.
So opposing war in Iraq is not the same as supporting Islamic regimes. To equate the two is so past the point of facts and reason that it should be farce. But something tells me you really believe it.
They Should Face What They Protest
Sorry I haven’t won a lottery because I know what can boot some hard cold reality up these protesters’ high-horse butts. What these people need are face-to-face stories of a planeload of Iraqi women and children who were drafted “guests” of Sadaam’s perverted sons and prisoners of a system that regarded them as little more than subservient pets of their men. I’m sure they’ll see how helpful their protests were toward their suppressed sisters. Unless they’re bigots and such people wouldn’t count.
James Greenidge
Queens NY
It’s beyond the pale, but it’s neither a hate crime nor a felony. That’s the case whether it’s Easter for Christians, Yom Kippur for Jews, or Ramadan for Muslims.
Disrespectfulness and stupidity are not usually crimes. Splattering fake blood on someone is. That’s the best the law can offer.
you are only half right there..
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if it was Ramadan for Muslims and a group calling themselves ‘Apostate Infidels’ threw imitation bacon bits on praying Muslims, that would be a hate crime..
Really, Rusty?
What if they had walked into a mosque and done the same thing? Do you honestly believe they would not have hate crime enhancers added to the charges?
You know - the enhancers that are added when someone throws a Koran in the garbage or toilet?
I do not like hate crime legislation, but if it’s going to apply to certain groups - it should apply to everyone.
You can’t tell me this wasn’t designed to frighten and intimidate Catholics and to create a sense of harassment - in their Church.
Here’s the definition of hate crimes from Wikipedia. Bold emphasis is mine:
Please tell me how this crime doesn’t fit the definition of a hate crime, when the definition is pretty clear.
Or, conversely, please explain why - if this happened to a group of Muslims, of gays, of Jews, of blacks - this would be a hate crime.
When will lgm get banned? Seriously, he’s back with his abortion rants. Please go away, don’t you have students to indoctrinate? Loser
Yes I do. Although I do think that the incident would get more attention since it fits into the media narrative.
By the way, flushing Korans down the toilet isn’t a hate crime either. If you want to go outside and rip up the Koran, the law protects you 100%.
The law cannot protect you against Fatwa. But I digress…
http://michellemalkin.com/2007/07/30/which-of-these-is-a-crime-in-america/
and here is the criminal complaint.
http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/crimcomplaint.jpg
So yes they decided this is a Hate Crime and no the law did not protect him.
lgm, observing your comments over the last few weeks I am assuming your IQ is around ~60-65. You probably have the ability to walk the dog and chew gum at the same time. The fact that everything brings you back to the abortin clinic means you only spew what you hear. No reasoning ability. I think I have brought that to your attention before. Bad news for you though. There is really nothing at your age that will improve your situation. I am really sorry.
Rusty:
A Koran in the toilet was charged as a hate crime.
This group has admitted they specifically targeted this Church. Look at the video. They scared the hell out of children and parishioners. They meant to do this - to intimidate, to bully, to harass.
If that doesn’t fit the definition of a hate crime - what does?
I’d much prefer if hate crime enhancers went by the wayside. But if they’re going to exist, don’t you agree that it’s vital for all groups to have fair and equal protection under the law?
That is ridiculous to condone bad behavior by bad behavior. Liberalism it truly a mental disorder, please seek help.
lgm said:
You mean like what happened in the church?
No this is the standard liberal deflect tactic. I have given up trying to have an intelligence discussion with these type of people, because when you present them with facts they change the subject so fast your head spins.
I love how these “peace” protesters base their entire argument on an inaccurate translation. They start with “Thou shalt not kill” from the King James translation and build all their arguments on that simple sentence.
Their arguments simply don’t hold water because the word “kill” is not an accurate translation. Without even knowing the actual Hebrew words used, you can tell it’s inaccurate by looking at other commands God gave to the Jews. For example, God commanded the Jews to employ capital punishment for certain crimes and explicitly told them to engage in war. Sometimes He even commanded them to kill every man, woman, child and animal among the people they were directed to attack.
The correct translation is “You shall not murder.”
lgm: Proof please. Otherwise, quit spouting such nonsense.
Unless, of course, the abortion clinic is your church…because that’s what you’re equating this to.
I’d consider being slapped by a “peace protester” a mark of honor.
I’d also probably punch his teeth down hos throat, but that’s just me.
englishqueen01, please don’t let him pull you off topic. Even if he has a reference, it really does not matter. I’m sure he’d much prefer a senseless debate about abortion clinics than to acknowledge that this was a shameful display.
Rusty was spot on when he said:
Rusty, not sure if you choice of the word ‘Bozo’ was meant to be ironic, but it was.
Although, most Chicagoans liked Bozo growing up, so it seems a shame to label these fools with the same name.
This statement describes a tu quoque logical fallacy. For those who don’t understand fancy words like “logical fallacy,” a logical fallacy is an argument which does not compute. A statement like “A = B and C = D therefore A = D” is an example of a logical fallacy. Or in this case, “A = Bad and B = Bad, therefore A = Good.” Ummm, yeah…
lgm’s use of this fallacy is further weakened by using it against people who probably don’t even do the actions he is using excuse the protestors’ bad behavior. In fact, most of use who oppose these idiot protesters also disagree with the tactics lgm is using to try to deflect the issue.
These nuts are just lucky that there was security present when they pulled their stunt. They could easily have started a riot - and it wouldn’t have been a complete surprise if a few folks in the congregation took them on physically. (I hope that someone in the congregation sues for an actual physical injury even if one did not occur. There are plenty of ambulance chasers out there who would be more than willing to put someone in a collar and sue for damages.)
This is not civil disobedience on the streets, this is an attack on a church, which is not a governmental institution, and its congregation, who are not public officials. The only way to deal with this is to put these nuts behind bars for a few months. In addition, the parents, assuming that these are actually minor children, ought to be hauled into court and forced to pay restitution to the church and the community. And that restitution ought to be in the hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars (I point out that the fines in environmental cases often wildly exceed the actual cost of the damages done.) Finally, if these nuts actually represent or acted in accordance with a particular organization, then the organizations should be sued and the leadership of said organization sued individually.
#43 On March 24th, 2008 at 11:36 am, EWTHeckman said:
‘The correct translation is “You shall not murder.”’
Correct.
#42 On March 24th, 2008 at 11:33 am, pressto said:
“That is ridiculous to condone bad behavior by bad behavior. Liberalism it truly a mental disorder, please seek help.
No this is the standard liberal deflect tactic. I have given up trying to have an intelligence discussion with these type of people, because when you present them with facts they change the subject so fast your head spins.”
Exactly correct.
Which is why I repeatedly post that it is useless to attempt a logical, argument-based debate with the socialist/secularist/anarchist/opposite worldview-holders.
They ridicule people of faith; but yet they adhere to their worldview, which is obviously a faith to them, passionately and without reason.
By without reason, I mean how they try to excuse bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior; how they continually attempt to change the subject under discussion; and how they quickly resort to personal smear attacks.
Trying to have a debate with such worldview-holders is like trying to defend yourself at your witchcraft trial!
rusty trolled:
All this shows is that rusty the troll still doesn’t get it. The intent of the terrorists is to spread islam all over the world. That means a world-wide Caliphate. I guess rusty doesn’t want to hear anything that the terrorists themselves say. While rusty tries to sing kumbaya with the terrorists they’ll be slitting his throat.
The only farce here comes from rusty the troll. I have to wonder though, when will he show reason in his posts? When will he post facts?
Note that I’m not going to hold my breath.
For many years, I assumed that the commandment was “Thou Shall not Kill”. It was a Jewish friend who corrected me and the words of the commandment are “Thou Shall not Murder”. The difference is tremendous.
Max has it right. Next time, they should try self-immolation.
#51 On March 24th, 2008 at 11:53 am, publiuswarmac9999 said:
“For many years, I assumed that the commandment was “Thou Shall not Kill”. It was a Jewish friend who corrected me and the words of the commandment are “Thou Shall not Murder”. The difference is tremendous.”
Yep.
I didn’t learn that the word was “murder”, not “kill”, until several years ago.
A while later I was leafing through my grandmother’s Bible, where, yes indeed, I saw the Greek word for “murder”, not simply “kill”, in the Sixth Commandment.
I’m kinda curious about that. Since the Old Testament was originally written in Hebrew, what were you looking at that was in Greek?
It is only the Roman Catholic church that uses kill instead of murder for the 6th commandment. I think it was the King James version of the bible where the Roman Catholics first changed this, but every other religion I know of uses murder as the translation.
#54:
I was looking at the Bible printed in formal Modern Greek.
All my grandparents immigrated to the U.S. about a century ago.
My grandmother never learned English.
She read a Bible printed in formal Modern Greek (as opposed to English or other languages), not the Septuagint.
Yes, the Old Testament was originally written in Hebrew.
About 200 B.C., the ruler of Alexandria, Egypt (at that time a Greek city), commissioned 70 (hence “Septuagint”) Jewish scholars to translate the Bible from Hebrew into Greek.
There have also been subsequent direct translations from the original Hebrew, as far as I am aware.
(And no, I am light years away from even approaching being a Bible scholar.)
#55 On March 24th, 2008 at 12:17 pm, pressto said:
“…every other religion I know of uses murder as the translation.”
Umm…do you mean every other denomination, rather than religion?
I believe all Christian denominations profess the same religion - Christianity.
granite,
Do you know if the Septuagint also used the Greek word for murder? (The same word or an older version if the word has changed.)
Well, all except that Church of Christ that Obama goes to.
The Bible was written in three languages Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. The OT was written mostly in Hebrew, Daniel, a couple of chapters of Ezra were written in Aramaic. All of the NT was written in Greek.
#58:
Check out the second post at this link:
Murder or Kill: What does the sixth commandment really say? - IIDB
which I found when I searched septuagint + “sixth commandment”
According to the post, the word is “murder” in Hebrew and in Greek; and
wherever the Hebrew word for nonspecific “kill” is used, the Greek word for nonspecific “kill” is also used.
Hope this helps.
Roman Catholics don’t use the King James translation. It was a protestant version which was directly translated from the original Greek and Hebrew texts. Historically, the Roman Catholic Church used the Douay-Rheims translation which was itself translated from the Latin Vulgate.
(Note: I’m not quite sure what the current official RCC position is on Bible translations or an official endorsed translation. They apparently allowed updated translations around 1960. I’ve seen sources which claim current translations are still based on the Vulgate and others which say current translations are still based on the Latin Vulgate.)
#60 On March 24th, 2008 at 12:28 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:
“The Bible was written in three languages Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. The OT was written mostly in Hebrew, Daniel, a couple of chapters of Ezra were written in Aramaic. All of the NT was written in Greek.”
Correct.
In the “koine” Greek, I believe, which is different from Ancient Greek, and different from Modern Greek - centuries apart in one direction, and a millennium-plus in the other!
What a tedious group these losers are. I wish someone would slap the dogs**t out of one or two of them and drag the rest out by their hair. We are way to PC with these “non-violent” idiots.
Wish I was there….lol
#64 dartagnans_blade:
Can’t say I disagree with you.
English Queen, the abortion clinic is his church. It’s all that this fool thinks about. I wish he’d think about the ones who don’t come out once in awhile. He is scum of the lowest order.
If those Generation Look At Me moonbats dropped by the Mass I went to, they would’ve been begging the cops to take them away.
Apparently Angela (Angie) Haban has been involved with such activities before.
http://traprockpeace.org/campus_antiwar_network/2005/11/15/nov-14-harold-washington-students-facing-repression/
Oh brother. When I read about this last night I was sat scratching my head. What in the world does this Church have to do with the darned war? Leave these citizens alone and let them worship in peace. What did these idiots accomplish, other than making themselves look like complete asses?
I swear these people are as useful as Sean Penn at a MENSA meeting.
I think these folks are buffoons, but in an attempt to keep things real, I would point out that the Pope has consistently condemned the war in Iraq. I also believe that the Catholic church as consistently spoken out against any activity involving “killing” (see the death penalty) regardless of whether such “killing” is “murder” or something else.
Applause for a spot-on observation.
If we aggressively defend ourselves against these nuts they will eventually realize that instead of trying to manipulate us through attacks turning their attention toward their own side is a safer way to go. When their friends in the msm start seeing these people swarming all around them, angry and looking for blood, I for one will not be interfering. Cheering, probably. Let the spittle fly.
From the pictures I have seen of the Chester protest, there were more than a few men in the crowd who were with the Eagles crowd. Who to assault?
The coward chooses to vent his wrath on a young woman. A young woman whose hands are full trying to film the event, making her essentually defenseless. Slaps her twice.
I am certain this guy would never think of picking a fight with someone who carries an “X” and a “Y” chromosome.
Unfortunately, it is pretty par for the course with liberal activist “men” (I wish there was some other term to use, since a man would never do that). Guys like this loon and Bill Maher have a preference for knocking women around to going toe to toe with someone of their own gender.
What is perhaps even more amazing is that the leftists, who presumably include women’s rights advocates among their members, rally behind the guy who likes to knock around little girls. I guess “she had it coming”.
One of these days they are going to beat up the wrong woman. Skye is someone’s daughter, sister and niece. There are still more than a few fathers, brothers and uncles in this country who would throw caution to the wind and open a large can of whoop-ass on this bozo, of course, in the spirit of continuing the dialogue in the perpetrator’s own manner of free speech.
Isn’t that always their MO? “Enraged for Peace” should be their bumper sticker.
Rusty said (#29):
I did not excuse the behavior of the Chicago demonstrators. MM and most people here use the Chicago demonstrators to argue that the right is better than the left. I think conservative demonstrators, such as those at abortion clinics, are as bad as liberal demonstrators.
Main stream liberals don’t condone what happened in Chicago any more than main stream conservatives condone what happens around the country every day at abortion clinics.
We all see that the leftists are the ones that have an abundance of extremist groups of every kind. The leftists are the ones who use violence as a way to get things changed. So although there are many many more on the right that are against abortion I don’t think it is a stretch that these violent anti abortionists are yet another extreme left group. The right votes as a means for change the left throws bombs as a means of change. This is not once and a while it is always the case. So, bomb throwing anti abortionists=leftist thugs (although a teeny tiny minority), do the math. Why do you suppose the pro abortion msm don’t interview these nuts? Because they cant, it would expose them for what they are, leftist nuts.
The conservatives protesting at abortion clinics have been forced to stay outside the buildings and, in many instances, a sizable distance away. Most of the time those who protest at abortion clinics spend a lot of time praying. In other words, they are passive. Contrast this with most of the Code Pink actions or the above. (In my experience, liberals have this emotional sense of entitlement that allows them to break or disregard the existing law or simple decency.)
I predict that we will see a lot more of this emotional entitlement behavior by the liberals as the political season gets more heated. The liberals will physically attack Republicans and Republican property - and they will do it in every imaginable way. The history of 2004, when Kerry ran, is replete with left wing attacks - and Michelle chronicled many of them at the time. There were no corresponding physical attacks on Democrats or liberals.
On a personal note, I have a friend who had his car keyed because he had a Bush/Cheney sticker on it. This is but a small sample of the arrogant and abusive behavior of liberals who are aided and abetted by the news and entertainment media, the liberal political class, and even the more radical professors at American Colleges.
Think you all might appreciate this from the UK.
Two men with placards bearing the words “Support the persecuted church” stood in front of the pulpit at Canterbury Cathedral as Dr Rowan Williams began to speak, but were swiftly removed by officers.
A spokeswoman for Kent Police said: “Two men were arrested inside the cathedral at 11.25am today after attempting to make a protest.
“They are currently in custody at Canterbury police station where officers are questioning them.”
She said the pair had been arrested under Section two of the 1860 Ecclesiastical Courts Jurisdiction Act, which says it is an offence to disrupt a cathedral service.
Funny, I have been at a lot of protests at abortion mills and have never seen anything more violent than holding signs and asking the women to reconsider.
LGM #75
only by proxy..
show a link to any 2 protests in the last 12 months that went over the line at an abortion clinic..
you have the time..
and then compare notes to, say, a military recruiter’s office..
and see which is worse..
DaveC said (#80):
What proxy. Did someone working for me excuse them? Did I excuse someone who excused them? Please respond.
This is a big issue because many posters here insist on holding both sides of the liberal/conservative he said/she said. You make up the lines for both him and her. You get the conservative lines right (being conservative) but the liberal lines wrong (never having left the Hannity/MM/Rush/Fox echo chamber).
#80 DaveC:
Thank you.
You beat me to it.
Same old lame, empty argument the left/socialists/secularists invariably use - no diffferent than someone who dismisses concerns about cigarette smoking because someone, somewhere knew someone who had smoked several packs a day for 7-8 decades with no discernible ill effects.
One can virtually always find an exception to a rule.
Should we not wear seatbelts when we drive because sometimes folks who were not belted were not injured in an accident?
DaveC: Don’t waste your time.
hey folks, “Just say NO!” to the troll and don’t feed him/her/it. :p
GSP
Typical White Male
#83 GSP:
You got that right!
To pressto (37) and englishqueen (39)
Re: Hate crimes.
Anyone is welcome to purchase their own copy of the Koran and do whatever they want to it. Certain groups and or people may get offended, but noone is going to get arrested for doing that.
That is NOT what happened in the case you cite, and you know it. The only way there can be a hate crime is if an actual crime was perpetuated. The guy stole the book and then flushed it with the express, admitted intent of sending some sort of message to the Muslims on his campus. You can argue whether or not it is wise for the law to ascribe and punish any particular motive to a crime, but please for the love of God please stop trying to make this blatantly false comparison.
What a bunch of chickens (with apologies to those not involved). You reply to my post with made up (by you)
cr*pinaccuracy. I call you on it and suddenly it’s “Don’t feed the troll” time.I believe in freedom of protest. But not the right to shut down commerence (or chuch) in protest.
About time these inconsiderate and costly prosters are held accountable. Hats off to the local porsecuter.
IIRC the actual position of the RCC is that if incarceration is not sufficient to end the threat to society (e.g. Tookie Williams) then they can be put to death. I discovered this when I read about a drug dealer who had 3 witnesses murdered while he himself was in jail. In that case he could be executed to protect society. Thus while the Catholic church is usually opposed to the death penalty it is not absolute.
Another saying that is usually misinterpreted is “Turn the other cheek.” This is in regards to a personal insult as Jesus almost exclusively dealt on a micro-level and seperated out actions to be taken by a state. Jesus was not saying don’t defend yourself. When the people sent by the Pharisees and Sudducees, came to arrest Jesus, Simon Peter cut off the ear of Malchus using a sword. While Jesus healed malchus and admonished Simon Peter (”Those who live by the sword shall perish by the sword”) the fact remains that Simon Peter had a sword. If Jesus didn’t want his disciples to defend themselves against physical attack I think he would have said something before then.
I have yet to see evidence of protesters entering abortion clinics to disrupt and shut down. I could be wrong, but most of the video coverage of clinic demonstrations that I see are groups of nuns and/or women (usually over age 65) praying their rosaries.
Where is the evidence of pro-life demonstrations equaling this anti-war demonstration “every day?”
The words “also Catholic” should not have been used. What evidence is there that all or any of the six are Catholic?
#89 On March 24th, 2008 at 4:46 pm, BrianNY said:
“I have yet to see evidence of protesters entering abortion clinics to disrupt and shut down. I could be wrong, but most of the video coverage of clinic demonstrations that I see are groups of nuns and/or women (usually over age 65) praying their rosaries.
Where is the evidence of pro-life demonstrations equaling this anti-war demonstration “every day?””
The evidence?
Didn’t you know?
It’s right there next to the exhibit of unicorn fossils!
Any violent protesters are leftists among the peaceful and considerate right. Yes just like everything else there no doubt is a teeny tiny fraction of anti abortion leftists but that’s enough to smear the whole movement. Having leftists around ruins anything that you try to do. All the msm need to do is start asking them questions on other subjects and, voila, the truth comes out. So you see they can’t do that it would destroy the illusion that the msm has carefully constructed. Operation Kaos needs to be expanded into other areas besides the voting booth and I will do my part these people are begging for it. Drive them insane with peaceful counter protests while aggressively defending each other. Its free, its fun, its fruitful.
You can’t be serious. I saw a video on Youtube of an abortion protest that turned into a dramatization of the murder of Dr. John Britton. His murder was celebrated by a group of 25 or so.
Also of note: more doctors have been killed than, say, military recruiters.
Which does not excuse the church protesters or anyone who lays a hand on another person.
But to say that abortion protests don’t often go beyond the pale is ridiculous.
It’s completely disrespectful what these thugs did. You can’t even go to Easter church service without a freaking anti-war protest. The Iraq War has nothing to do with celebrating Easter. The protest was yet another sacrilegious attempt to interrupt a holiday that nutroots like these people would like to use to prop up their “protests.”
I’m sorry but this is about Jesus’ resurrection not your sorry attempt at exercising your right to civil disobedience.
You are trolling and you know it. You are being downright disrespectful and disingenuous to rant about abortion instead of addressing the ACTUAL issue. You’re being called on your behavior.
Here’s a thought… stop changing the subject and start engaging the one in this thread.
As I said above - proof, please. Please show me where - on a daily basis - pro-lifers are attacking people in abortion clinics and spraying them with fake blood, etc.
In a way, you prove our point beautifully.
You argue that this doesn’t (or shouldn’t) reflect badly on the left, and that the “mainstream” left doesn’t support this while simultaneously arguing that *everyone* on the right is bad because of what we supposedly “do” at abortion clinics.
Get a clue, lgm.
The left has lost it. They are immature, irresponsible, violent, and bigoted.
Also of note: the murders are in jail, where they belong.
I have yet to see the same for war protesters who break laws.
Hmmmm? What actions are you planning in my name?
#95 On March 24th, 2008 at 5:13 pm, emjem24 said:
“You are trolling and you know it. You are being downright disrespectful and disingenuous to rant about abortion instead of addressing the ACTUAL issue. You’re being called on your behavior.
Here’s a thought… stop changing the subject and start engaging the one in this thread.”
emjem24, you can’t be serious.
You expect that this thread’s topic will be engaged, and that the subject will not be changed?
Unless we are pleasantly surprised, and unless flying pigs zoom by, I’m afraid you might end up hearing nothing but the crickets’ chirping.
emjem24, don’t waste your time, effort, and life.
englishqueen01,
I believe you are either misunderstanding or misrepresenting lgm’s quote when you wrote:
lgm was not arguing that everyone on the right is bad because of anti-abortion violence…but rather that everyone on the right is not bad, just because a few loose screws have terrorized abortion clinics.
The point is that there is inappropriate and violent behavior by extremist on both left and right, that neither side’s mainstream condone.
Let’s also remember that when a Catholic bishop condemned the gay-sex-in-the-street fair (aka Folsom Street Fair in SF), but did NOTHING to disrupt it he was retaliated against by two members of the Sister of Perpetual Indulgence going to a Catholic mass and receiving communion (which was recorded) from the bishop. The mayor of SF wouldn’t even condemn them for it.
#100 On March 24th, 2008 at 5:29 pm, KaosKlerik said:
“Let’s also remember that when a Catholic bishop condemned the gay-sex-in-the-street fair (aka Folsom Street Fair in SF), but did NOTHING to disrupt it he was retaliated against by two members of the Sister of Perpetual Indulgence going to a Catholic mass and receiving communion (which was recorded) from the bishop. The mayor of SF wouldn’t even condemn them for it.”
Again:
“The mayor of SF wouldn’t even condemn them for it.”
And we should be surprised he did not condemn it…why?
Well nothing as grand as you the KaosKlerik might devise.
The mayor was probably too busy enjoying the fetishtivities to condemn them. I mean, isn’t that the lefts favorite line lately, everybody does it?
Felony charges will stick on their records. Hopefully, they will become convictions. Maybe, when they are a bit older, they’ll understand that the felony convictions will stay with them for all time. Explain that, to a prospective job or home. But, I imagine, at worse, they’ll get community service or something else tame. I also imagine that they will feel really “cool” about it, and do some more damage to others and their lives. In that case, the punishment will last a very long time, in having such a record.
Bond has been set . $25,000 each for five of them , and 35,000 for the other one . Doesn’t say if they bonded out though.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/858435,holy032408.article
There is really no limit to the small probing missions we could devise now that we have them in a disorganized retreat er general panic. Operation catfight would be a good one to try out right about now or Operation judasgoat to name another. But I’m sure you all get the idea, be creative, creative conservatism is the key.
emjem24 said (#95):
I don’t know what trolling means. I participate in the thread as you do.
I try to follow the advice in Leviticus by responding in kind (eye for an eye) but to a lesser degree (which was the actual point in Leviticus). Balance the insults I’ve given (there have been some) against the insults I’ve received.
That’s what I was doing, as rusty understood. The larger point of the thread is that liberals are bad because some liberal nuts (six of them) did something disgusting. As TheOtherSide understood, I was arguing against this larger point. There also are conservative nuts who do disgusting things to protest abortion.
LGM, your obsession with abortion clinics borders on the insane. Why don’t you spend your days down there and tape all these horrid abuses that go on on the outside that you claim daily in your rants. You can post your video essay for us all to see. You have nothing else to do with your time so please show us how the terrible people on the right destroy death factories every single day in your view. Of course this doesn’t happen everyday but you believe in your twisted mind that the recruiters, people going to church on Easter Sunday probably deserve the demonstration of “protest”. Troll.
Apples and oranges. Most war protesters don’t do anything worthy of being jailed. Including the six who disrupted a Mass. Even slapping someone isn’t worthy of jail time.
These young punks are accused of (and video recordings show) committing a felony. So, their premeditated act, in my opinion, should earn them each several years in the slammer if for no other reason to teach them to write editorials to express themselves instead of disrupting Easter Mass. Throw the book at them, this nonsense from the self-centered left must stop. NOW.
This filth has nothing to do with me other than the low level handle I chose for an instance like this that I always knew was there just waiting to be the pig of the Year.
I chose a winner!
Rusty,
Slapping someone is assault. Mothers have been arrested for doing less to discipline their kids in public.
If one of these peons slapped me, I’d file charges out the posterior. They’d go to jail, even if only for a short time.
Besides, the obstruction the nuts in Berkely have been guilty of is illegal. You cannot forcefully block a private citizen’s path no matter what you think of what they are doing.
Yes, Rusty, many of these wack-jobs have earned jail time.
lgm,
You should learn from Rusty’s debating skills. He’s good. I have to publicly agree with everything he has stated in this thread. (I think this is the 2nd time I’ve done so.)
You, on the other hand, aren’t as bright. You “miss the point” often and even state factual errors (which is the kiss of death to your credibility).
But those who have - like the thugs who trashed the recruiting station here in Milwaukee - haven’t received punishment. And slapping someone is assault, Rusty. You could go to jail for it.
I get your point (even if it wasn’t clear in my other comment), however - a direct question to you:
Do you, as a liberal, condemn these actions inasmuch as they not only were inappropriate but a direct harassment to innocent Catholics participating in an activity (Mass) wholly unrelated to war and on the holiest day of the Church’s calendar (Easter)?
Because I - as a conservative - make this explicitly clear: I condemn it. Just as I condemn violence at abortion clinics. Just as many, many conservatives have.
But you’re missing the larger point. This is a religious service. In a Church. On EASTER SUNDAY.
Don’t you think Catholics have a right to peacefully worship?
And wouldn’t you be more than a little frightened if someone came in and started splattering blood all over the place? Granted, this turned out to be fake blood - but what if it had been real? Diseased? Infected with HIV?
What would you say if this was a mosque? If a group of feminists started trashing the place on a Friday during services?
Would you have the same apathetic attitude toward that?
And why do my feelings count less than someone in a politically correct protected class?
Because - as a practicing Catholic - I find this insulting, hurtful and rude. Or do my feelings not count because I’m just some silly Papist?
corkie,
lgm is Leviticus, the KKKoran’s well known, Lascivious, a well known dweller in the bowels of modern depravity, such as Liberalism, give or take an Obama here or there.
lGM can you tell me what abortion clinic was bombed today? Can you tell me which ones were bombed yestrerday? LGM, can you tell me what woman was denied getting her abortion done? By the way what do they do with the fetuses after they kill them? Do they burn them or what? Yes I know Abortion is legal and I won’t be surprized when post birth abortion will be legal. Also did you know that slavery was legal? I would love to hear some answers.
I’m looking for BrianNY’s (#89) response to Rusty’s post in #93.
I’m also interested in emjem24’s response to Rusty’s comments as well.
Just observing.
Rusty, I would venture a guess that if I came up and slapped you across your face you would want me in jail. But of course if they’re anti-war zealots that you love, it’s okay, right?
How is
“Don’t like abortion? Don’t have one.”
morally different from
“Don’t like slavery? Don’t own one.“
KaosKlerik asked (#118):
The difference is that the fetus is not (yet) a person. But this really is off topic.
You think abortion is murder. Some (not me) think what the US is doing in Iraq is murder. That explains why the ra