I’m looking for BrianNY’s (#89) response to Rusty’s post in #93.

#93 Rusty said:

But to say that abortion protests don’t often go beyond the pale is ridiculous.

I’m not disputing that pro-life activists have murdered 7 abortion providers in the last 15 years, I was disputing lgm’s equivalence claim that what happened in the Chicago church happens “every day” at abortion clinics.

#75 lgm said:

Main stream liberals don’t condone what happened in Chicago any more than main stream conservatives condone what happens around the country every day at abortion clinics.

You think abortion is murder. Some (not me) think what the US is doing in Iraq is murder

You say that you don’t feel this way but you always bring it up. Me thinks you protesth too much.
We know you despise the military so give it up.

Don’t waste your time.

As soon as you see the statement that the fetus is not (yet) a person, any further attenmpt at discussion will be as fruitful as a conversation with a chair.

On March 25th, 2008 at 9:41 am, lgm said:
The difference is that the fetus is not (yet) a person. But this really is off topic.

…and slaves were considered sub-human by those who favored slavery. As long as you de-humanize that which you wish to exploit or destroy you can justify anything against the innocent.

It’s not off-topic because I had a point. The Islamofascist terrorists justify horrific acts against innocent people and there is little complaint from most Muslims (yes, some are intimidated). The difference is that the vast majority of Christians are opposed to all three. You appear to me to only oppose one, maybe one & a half (you despise the last, but don’t want us to oppose it).

How is
“Don’t like abortion? Don’t have one.”
morally different from
“Don’t like slavery? Don’t own one.“

The difference is that the fetus is not (yet) a person. But this really is off topic.

You think abortion is murder. Some (not me) think what the US is doing in Iraq is murder. That explains why the radical anti abortion people and the radical anti war people use similar tactics.

On March 24th, 2008 at 10:29 pm, garyt said:
Yes I know Abortion is legal and I won’t be surprized when post birth abortion will be legal. Also did you know that slavery was legal?

How is
“Don’t like abortion? Don’t have one.”
morally different from
“Don’t like slavery? Don’t own one.“

I’m also interested in emjem24’s response to Rusty’s comments as well.

Just observing.

I try to follow the advice in Leviticus by responding in kind (eye for an eye) but to

lgm is Leviticus, the KKKoran’s well known, Lascivious, a well known dweller in the bowels of modern depravity, such as Liberalism, give or take an Obama here or there.

Most war protesters don’t do anything worthy of being jailed. Including the six who disrupted a Mass. Even slapping someone isn’t worthy of jail time.

But those who have – like the thugs who trashed the recruiting station here in Milwaukee – haven’t received punishment. And slapping someone is assault, Rusty. You could go to jail for it.

The larger point of the thread is that liberals are bad because some liberal nuts (six of them) did something disgusting. As TheOtherSide understood, I was arguing against this larger point. There also are conservative nuts who do disgusting things to protest abortion.

I get your point (even if it wasn’t clear in my other comment), however – a direct question to you:

Do you, as a liberal, condemn these actions inasmuch as they not only were inappropriate but a direct harassment to innocent Catholics participating in an activity (Mass) wholly unrelated to war and on the holiest day of the Church’s calendar (Easter)?

Because I – as a conservative – make this explicitly clear: I condemn it. Just as I condemn violence at abortion clinics. Just as many, many conservatives have.

But you’re missing the larger point. This is a religious service. In a Church. On EASTER SUNDAY.

Don’t you think Catholics have a right to peacefully worship?

And wouldn’t you be more than a little frightened if someone came in and started splattering blood all over the place? Granted, this turned out to be fake blood – but what if it had been real? Diseased? Infected with HIV?

What would you say if this was a mosque? If a group of feminists started trashing the place on a Friday during services?

Would you have the same apathetic attitude toward that?

And why do my feelings count less than someone in a politically correct protected class?

Because – as a practicing Catholic – I find this insulting, hurtful and rude. Or do my feelings not count because I’m just some silly Papist?

You should learn from Rusty’s debating skills. He’s good. I have to publicly agree with everything he has stated in this thread. (I think this is the 2nd time I’ve done so.)

You, on the other hand, aren’t as bright. You “miss the point” often and even state factual errors (which is the kiss of death to your credibility).

Slapping someone is assault. Mothers have been arrested for doing less to discipline their kids in public.

If one of these peons slapped me, I’d file charges out the posterior. They’d go to jail, even if only for a short time.

Besides, the obstruction the nuts in Berkely have been guilty of is illegal. You cannot forcefully block a private citizen’s path no matter what you think of what they are doing.

Yes, Rusty, many of these wack-jobs have earned jail time.