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1. #1
   On March 25th, 2008 at 9:40 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

   Why am I not surprised?

   The parents and school principal have done these children a great disservice.

   What are they afraid of? I didn’t think the Vets for Freedom were bringing enlistment forms for the kids to sign up and join. This is just ridiculous.

2. #2
   On March 25th, 2008 at 9:40 am, JHSII said:

   We are not saying it, they are saying it.

   And yes, what did we expect them to say when some schools have already been giving students extra credit for going to anti-war protests?

3. #3
   On March 25th, 2008 at 9:41 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

   Now if they had brought speakers who were going to talk about drug use and sexual experimentation… then the red carpet would have been rolled out and parents would have been none the wiser.

4. #4
   On March 25th, 2008 at 9:43 am, Old Tanker said:

   WOW, Pete’s own alma matter, that’s truly pathetic…..Lake Woebegone has new meaning…..

5. #5
   On March 25th, 2008 at 9:43 am, yt1300inHtown said:

   http://hs.forestlake.k12.mn.us/staff_directory/

6. #6
   On March 25th, 2008 at 9:48 am, jungatheart said:

   The problem with conservatives is we don’t whine enough which is all it takes to get people to change these days. We’ve got to learn to accuse the left of everything under the sun regardless if it’s rational or not. Unfortunately, to do this, we must give up 30 IQ points and all hopes of mental health.

7. #7
   On March 25th, 2008 at 9:52 am, Marshall Russ said:

   And this from a state that could send Al Franken to the Senate. Not suprising.

8. #8
   On March 25th, 2008 at 10:00 am, FloridaBill said:

   If I had a child enrolled at that school I would try and organize a boycott of the school for a day or two and keep my child home for a day or two.

   I’m sure the school would get the message when 90% of their students didn’t show up for class!

9. #9
   On March 25th, 2008 at 10:07 am, Mister P said:

   I suggest that all vets walk out of the public schools of Minneapolis, and let private schools welcome these men and women with open arms.

10. #10
    On March 25th, 2008 at 10:11 am, Beaker1214 said:

    So just the THREAT of a protest brings this guy to his knees? Brilliant. And people wonder if these kinds of actions embolden the nuts overseas. Ya THINK? That’s the lesson the principal is teaching the students: capitulate immediately, it’s the only answer. It scares me to think what the next generation is gleaning from this type of idiocy. My opinion (that and a buck gets you 3/4 of a cup of coffee), would be to tell the parents who phoned that these men and women are fighting and dying (as they have for hundreds of years) to afford them the right to do just that … then hang up.

11. #11
    On March 25th, 2008 at 10:12 am, Gabe said:

    The National Heroes Tour is in Minneapolis today for a number of events however we will not be visiting Forest Lake High School, because the right of whiny left-wing buttheads to censor the troops out weighs the right of American students to hear from and meet the folks who have risked their lives for the freedoms we all enjoy.

    The Left shows no tolerance, which is why whenever they get into power they start killing people.

    What these schools should tell the minority of intolerant Leftist parents who think no child should be proud of America: If you don’t like the Vets for Freedom Heroes, pull you kids out of public school and send them to private school.

    Otherwise, show some tolerance.

    What a cowardly principal.

    “I think it’s extremely unfortunate that a school would bow to the political pressure of outside groups and not bring in a veterans organization,” Hegseth said. “Are we saying that patriotism and duty and honor have no place in our public schools?”

    Yes, they are, which is why we need school choice and vouchers EVERYWHERE. Public schools are far more liberal than the vast majority of parents are.

    Catholic schools where I live are very patriotic, yet parents are forced to pay sky high property taxes for public schools. Then, on top of that, if they want to send their kids to Catholic school, they have to pay tuition and get none of their taxes back.

12. #12
    On March 25th, 2008 at 10:26 am, terrig said:

    Why am I not surprised about this. This is ridiculous. I don’t understand how the left wing continues to get away with stunts like this. If this whiny parents can’t stand this little chat by the Vets for Freedom, then keep their little butts home from school that day. What a bunch of moronic losers.
    Gabe, I spent 12 years in Catholic school and my high school years were 1978-1982. I had a few “hippie” nuns who used to yap about the terrible “military machine”. I used to get in quite a bit of trouble for my smart little mouth and during my senior year found myself in front of the Dean because I had told Sister Sara she had no right to tell me I was an “imbecile” to have enlisted in the Army. He then left the room, went to the classroom and said that if he ever heard such nonsense again, he would see her back at the Mother House (he was a WW2 vet). However, the kids were all pretty partiotic (we were all excited about President Reagan)and I think they still are at my school.
    Events like this is the number one reason I want my 3 y/o to go to Catholic school his entire 12 years.
    It does seem that there is no room for patriotism in many public schools today.

13. #13
    On March 25th, 2008 at 10:26 am, PBoilermaker said:

    2 years of mando military service.

    Yep, I think we need to go that route.

14. #14
    On March 25th, 2008 at 10:37 am, graysonret said:

    Steve Massey, the school principal, said the decision to cancel was prompted by concerns that the event was becoming political rather than educational and therefore was not suitable for a public school

    So having Hillary do rallys is okay? And condoning anti-war protests is okay? Sad situations in our schools today. I pity the kids that are brainwashed early, to support a new USA through socialism.

15. #15
    On March 25th, 2008 at 10:39 am, lgm said:

    This is a political group. From their web site:

    Our mission is to educate the American public about the importance of achieving success in these conflicts by applying our first-hand knowledge to issues of American strategy and tactics in Iraq.

    In other words, they are a pro war lobbying group. Why is it unpatriotic to decline to host a partisan political event? How do you feel about the patriotic heroes of votevets.org?

16. #16
    On March 25th, 2008 at 10:43 am, rooster said:

    On March 25th, 2008 at 9:43 am, yt1300inHtown said:
    http://hs.forestlake.k12.mn.us/staff_directory/

    Thanks fellow patriot for posting the contacts for this school.

    When I heard this story my blood literally began to boil. I am sick of our communist style schools that we have in our country.

    I pray that there are a few parents of students in this school that raise ever loving cane on the administration and demand the traitor, Steve Massey be fired.

17. #17
    On March 25th, 2008 at 10:46 am, JohnnyD said:

    GOD forbid these poor little gov’t school children should learn something other than capitulation and cowardice.

    Frankly, I think the Vets should hold their own protest outside of that school proclaiming censorship.

18. #18
    On March 25th, 2008 at 10:54 am, Old Tanker said:

    lgm

    “The event was structured to be an academic classroom discussion around military service. We thought we’d provide an opportunity for kids to learn about service in the context of our history classes,”

    The event in the scholl had no plans to discuss whether the war war right or wrong, they were going to stay away from politics at this event.

19. #19
    On March 25th, 2008 at 10:55 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    lgm,
    It must be nice to separate out every situation and package it in a way that it seemingly doesn’t relate to anything else that has happened since the war began. Tolerance is what the Left claims to represent. Inclusion is what the Left claims to be all about.
    Yet, when push comes to shove the only thing the left is tolerant and inclusive of are liberal idealogies.

    What harm would the Vets for Freedom bring to these children? Why shouldn’t children be exposed to both sides? Can they not decide for themselves which they choose to believe? I already now the answer. We approach things with a preconceived notions. We raise our children to believe in the things that we believe in as we believe those things to be virtuous. Children are bombarded with the liberal agenda constantly. Yet, one event to hear from people who support the military, were military and the Left is in an uproar.

    As for the votevets.org, yes I would oppose them but that wouldn’t stop some liberal principal from inviting and hosting them. Before you ask any more questions, you can presume that if they left supports something I generally support the opposite.

20. #20
    On March 25th, 2008 at 10:56 am, Old Tanker said:

    lgm,

    after re-reading the mission statement you put up you would imply this is a political group because only one party wants to achieve success, and the other is opposed to it?? Thanks for the reminder.

21. #21
    On March 25th, 2008 at 10:58 am, JohnnyD said:

    On March 25th, 2008 at 10:39 am, lgm said:

    You disappoint me lgm. How come you didn’t tie this into abortion?

    And furthermore, I suppose you would like these gov’t controlled school children to only get one point of view? Which one would that be lgm?

22. #22
    On March 25th, 2008 at 11:08 am, mtngrandpa said:

    Freedom of Speech for real American Hero’s in American Schools.

    IVAW (Iraq Veterans Against War aka deserters & cowards), are thrilled that the school kids will only be taught by the lies they produced at Winter Soldier II.

    The MSM doesn’t reach our kids, but the Internet does. These kids may already know that their principal is “wrong and weak”.

    How disgusting….
    

    Vets for Freedom, a national organization run by Pete Hegseth, a 1999 graduate of Forest Lake Area High School who served with the 101st Airborne in Iraq in 2005-06.

    to reject a Real Hero, that came home.

    America is Winning. The “Wrong and Weak”, need to learn and accept these facts.

23. #23
    On March 25th, 2008 at 11:09 am, KCK said:

    My dream:

    At the political level, put a rider on all high schools that deny veterans groups access like this. The rider would cost any grad from that school promotion points in the military.

    This kind of serious pocket book pain may get at these pusillanimous principles.

24. #24
    On March 25th, 2008 at 11:13 am, corkie said:

    lgm,

    You’re on losing streak.

    You quoted their mission as;

    the importance of achieving success in these conflicts

    You then declared, “they are a pro war lobbying group.”

    But you fail to present coherent logic. Pro-success does not equal pro-war. The statement you quoted does not advocate initiating wars - merely succeeding in conflicts initiated by civilians (as all US wars are).

    You’d better go back to their website and get a new quote.

    Unless, of course, you believe that they are pro war simply because they do not advocate failure in “these conflicts.”

25. #25
    On March 25th, 2008 at 11:33 am, rooster said:

    Don’t feed the trolls, good bye, lgm (least grateful mexican)

26. #26
    On March 25th, 2008 at 11:41 am, lgm said:

    Many of you support freedom of speech mainly for conservatives. For example, 30 pcs of silver said (#19):

    As for the votevets.org, yes I would oppose them.

    To answer Old Tanker (#20)

    You would imply this is a political group because only one party wants to achieve success.

    and corkie (#24): We all know that achieve success is conservative code wording for staying in Iraq indefinitely. For example, the latest achieve success plan Bush proposed calls for keeping surge level forces in Iraq throughout 2008. It’s the same reason I think an organization that is pro life opposed abortion (that was for you, JohnnyD (#21)).

27. #27
    On March 25th, 2008 at 11:52 am, Alphonse said:

    …meet the folks who have risked their lives for the freedoms we all enjoy.

    One cannot but help feeling admiration and sympathy for those who fight, but Bush hates our freedoms, so fighting for Bush and the neocons is not particularly in the US interest or in the interests of freedom.

28. #28
    On March 25th, 2008 at 11:58 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    On March 25th, 2008 at 11:41 am, lgm said:
    Many of you support freedom of speech mainly for conservatives. For example, 30 pcs of silver said (#19):

    As for the votevets.org, yes I would oppose them.

    lgm, that’s a pretty weak example you provide there. Next time, give me a head’s up before you twist my words.

29. #29
    On March 25th, 2008 at 12:03 pm, Mister P said:

    2 years of mando military service.

    Yep, I think we need to go that route.

    I am for it, as long as includes EVERYBODY who didn’t have to face the draft earlier. So 18 - 54 males and females, military service it is.

30. #30
    On March 25th, 2008 at 12:04 pm, emjem24 said:

    It’s always a few nutballs who ruin it for the rest who want to learn. Yet another reason that not many people (including myself) want to teach in these environments. When the thugs, activists, and loons have control of the learning environment, only indoctrination occurs.

31. #31
    On March 25th, 2008 at 12:12 pm, emjem24 said:

    lgm said:
    This is a political group. From their web site:

    Our mission is to educate the American public about the importance of achieving success in these conflicts by applying our first-hand knowledge to issues of American strategy and tactics in Iraq.
    In other words, they are a pro war lobbying group. Why is it unpatriotic to decline to host a partisan political event? How do you feel about the patriotic heroes of votevets.org?

    I got two words for you, lgm: MILITARY EXPERIENCE. Do you have any? Do you have an active duty family member or are a military spouse? What about the kids who have military parents and who would gain some knowledge and insight from these brave people? Yeah…until you’ve actually served, lgm, your unappreciative words do not validate your statement…. or that you have no first-hand experience of the Iraq/Afghanistan Wars.

    Now go off and pout in your little academic, free fire zone already…

32. #32
    On March 25th, 2008 at 12:19 pm, Just A Grunt said:

    Well I left Mr Massey a message on his answering machine. Called up, cranked up “American Soldier” by Toby Keith and left him a 3:53 minute message.
    Think he will get it?

33. #33
    On March 25th, 2008 at 12:23 pm, DanVanSmak said:

    The principal turns away this group on the grounds that the event could become “too political.” Pshaw. High schoolers get to see politics every year the school budget comes up for a vote. Ask any student-athlete how sports programs are jeopardized when the budget fails to pass the first time, and you’ll know how politics affects a high-school student.

    Even if the event “turned political” — so what? Isn’t that what you want — young people engaged in politics, taking part, asking questions? It would be an interesting barometer that could show how much the students pay attention to this important issue. It’s too bad, really. I think the school missed an excellent educational opportunity here. Too bad. *out*

34. #34
    On March 25th, 2008 at 12:26 pm, pressto said:

    So this was not political, until the DU decided to make it so. What is sad is how many schools bow to these extremist groups now.

35. #35
    On March 25th, 2008 at 12:27 pm, terrig said:

    Emjem24, he hasn’t served, he has nothing but hatred towards those who do. He thinks they’re killers although he constantly says that “some say but I really don’t”. Me thinks he doeth protesth too much.
    #32-great call.

36. #36
    On March 25th, 2008 at 12:31 pm, pressto said:

    lgm said:
    This is a political group. From their web site:

    Yes their website states what almost all active and retired military members believe so I guess you believe the whole military is political. They have this evil agenda where they like to succeed at the job they do.

37. #37
    On March 25th, 2008 at 12:37 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    They have this evil agenda where they like to succeed at the job they do.

    Perish the thought.

38. #38
    On March 25th, 2008 at 12:41 pm, cpodug said:

    We take pride in our work, unlike some others.

39. #39
    On March 25th, 2008 at 12:59 pm, UberInfidel67 said:

    How can I contact these groups? I wish to extend an invitation to them personally. It’s hard to believe, but I live in a heavily democratic state, but we LOVE LOVE LOVE our military personnel here. Every church in my area has pictures of parishoners who are in the service. They would be welcomed here with open arms!!

40. #40
    On March 25th, 2008 at 1:03 pm, zorro said:

    How sad and unfortunate for the students. I am happy my late Father, a man who was recognized for his courage in the fight for Guadalcanal, does not have to witness this lack of courage on the part of the school principle.

41. #41
    On March 25th, 2008 at 1:06 pm, Old Tanker said:

    To answer Old Tanker (#20)

    You would imply this is a political group because only one party wants to achieve success.

    and corkie (#24): We all know that achieve success is conservative code wording for staying in Iraq indefinitely.

    All right, which one of you knuckleheads gave lgm the “neocon codebook”…..these lefties are supposed to keep thinking achieve success means WIN!!!!

42. #42
    On March 25th, 2008 at 1:29 pm, mojoe said:

    I wonder how political the Veterans comments were when compared to the tripe the kids are getting regularly from their teachers commissars?

43. #43
    On March 25th, 2008 at 1:53 pm, corkie said:

    We all know that achieve success is conservative code wording for staying in Iraq indefinitely.

    So they were going to speak “conservative code” to the students? Silly.

44. #44
    On March 25th, 2008 at 1:57 pm, Chuck said:

    I don’t know where to start. I’ve got two jaw droppers here:

    (#26)We all know that achieve success is conservative code wording for staying in Iraq indefinitely

    How far off your meds do you have to go to start seeing “code wording” in straight forward statements?? I am finally convinced that America’s lefties ARE insane.

    (#27)but Bush hates our freedoms, so fighting for Bush and the neocons is not particularly in the US interest or in the interests of freedom

    Once again I have to pick my jaw off the keyboard. Exactly what Americans have had their freedoms curtailed by the President? Name one. Please. Is it because of the TSA and FBI folks at airports keeping us from death at the hands of Islamic killers? Is it the Patriot Act helping us to catch these insane killers? I expect Alphonse wouldn’t fight for anything, except to pick my pocket for welfare.

45. #45
    On March 25th, 2008 at 2:18 pm, Chesapeaekegal said:

    lgm…don’t know why I bother..but here goes. When my older son was in Sr. High School in New Jersey, his history/social indoctrination instructor had NEA (National Education Association) and pro-Clinton stickers all over his room. Now THAT is a political statement. At this same school in his Sr. year, the school invited Brian Peterson to speak to the seniors in their “family life” class. Brian Peterson and his girlfriend, Amy, spent time in prison for throwing their baby in a dumpster. He told the “family life” class that it wasn’t his fault (I was there)..that he had tried to talk Amy into getting an abortion several times and when the baby was being born secretly in a hotel room, she began yelling at him to “Just get rid of it.” And he said…so I did. They both went to jail for way to short of a time and this was part of his community service. At the end of his “speech” the students (to their credit) just sat there. Then the host teacher said…”This is a very brave thing Brian has done today..let’s give him a hand.” Followed by slight applause. Also to the students credit…at the end of the week the student newspaper had this headline”BABY KILLER SPEAKS TO SENIORS.”

46. #46
    On March 25th, 2008 at 2:20 pm, Chesapeaekegal said:

    (Sorry this is so long)…So now this jerk is invited to speak at school and our Military heroes cannot. And don’t even jump on the “baby killer” these kids got it. We have to give them more credit for being able to discern right from wrong and patriots from non-patriots for themselves.

47. #47
    On March 25th, 2008 at 2:32 pm, Rogue said:

    Kids are skipping to hear the speech apparently:

    http://kstp.com/article/stories/S389680.shtml?cat=1

48. #48
    On March 25th, 2008 at 2:55 pm, terrig said:

    Rogue, thanks for posting the article.

49. #49
    On March 25th, 2008 at 3:26 pm, Rogue said:

    happy to

50. #50
    On March 25th, 2008 at 4:24 pm, Salt said:

    PBoilermaker said:

    2 years of mando military service.

    Yep, I think we need to go that route.

    Going to have to disagree with you on this one, PBoilermaker. Scary thought.

    Imagine anti-war zealots such as we have seen at some of these protests with a means to frag officers. Some of the more extreme leftists suggest that very thing.

51. #51
    On March 25th, 2008 at 6:11 pm, corkie said:

    I concur with Salt above. I certainly understand the sentiments which produce the idea, but we really should want our military concentrating on its mission without being distracted by babysitting spoiled kids that don’t want to be there.

    However, maybe I would support outward bound type programs for those that don’t do military service prior to age 24.

52. #52
    On March 25th, 2008 at 6:18 pm, corkie said:

    Alphonse said:

    …Bush hates our freedoms, so…

    Alphonse, until you accept reality, you will never be able to influence anyone that matters.

53. #53
    On March 25th, 2008 at 6:37 pm, Chesapeaekegal said:

    Apparently some students are skipping class to go hear the Vets speak somewhere else..good for them…I think some of our young people still understand how to give honor to those that deserve it. Good for them.

54. #54
    On March 25th, 2008 at 6:38 pm, lgm said:

    30 pcs of silver said (#28):

    Next time, give me a head’s up before you twist my words.

    I think you twisted them. But feel free to untwist — explain what the words actually mean.

    terrig said (#35):

    He hasn’t served, he has nothing but hatred towards those who do.

    Wrong. Please let me decide who (whom) I hate.

    Chesapeaekegal (#45)

    Also to the students credit…at the end of the week the student newspaper had this headline”BABY KILLER SPEAKS TO SENIORS.”

    I agree with that headline: throwing a live baby in the dumpster is murder. It sounds like a bizarre decision to invite them.

    Still, a high school that doesn’t invite political presentations should not invite a political presentation even from veterans’ organization. I agree that a biased high school principal could invite only Democrats to present. That would be wrong too.

55. #55
    On March 25th, 2008 at 7:15 pm, corkie said:

    lgm, your posts are getting better.

    BTW, I can’t dispute the principal’s decision (except maybe that it seemed to have been canceled last minute). I might have wanted to cancel also.

    By canceling this visit, a principal gives given himself the power to disallow any war protesting anywhere on campus. This may not have been his motivation, but it may have been mine.

56. #56
    On March 25th, 2008 at 7:30 pm, terrig said:

    LGM, so now you say you served? This is a new wrinkle in my brow. You make a point of constantly comparing the military to killers saying “some say”. When someone says “some say” they generally mean I say but I’m too much of a yellow belly coward to admit it.

57. #57
    On March 25th, 2008 at 7:33 pm, Straight_Talk_Luigi said:

    The problem with conservatives is we don’t whine enough which is all it takes to get people to change these days. We’ve got to learn to accuse the left of everything under the sun regardless if it’s rational or not. Unfortunately, to do this, we must give up 30 IQ points and all hopes of mental health.

    Please, NO! I am an independent, and I don’t want conservatives to whine too. Please be above the secular progressives.

    See, most of them argue on emotion, and if you do what most conservatives do much of the time: be rational and stick to the facts, you’ll prevail.

    Emotion has no place in the realm of fact.

    Also, this principal should have been more confrontational and should not have laid down so easily. Forest Lake HS has issues with left-wing bias.

58. #58
    On March 26th, 2008 at 12:04 pm, in_awe said:

    Of course in LA the school district provided buses and teacher monitors for the Hispanic students to attend the illegal alien marches in 2006 and 2007. You know that wholesome non-partisan, non-political educational experience.

    I guess the vets should be happy that the local district didn’t bus in protesters…