Just building the military installations law-abiding workers should be building
I’ve covered dozens of stories like this over the years. The same pattern recurs: Reports of illegal aliens working at secure military facilities, outrage at the news, plans to deport the illegal workers and punish the employers…followed by few or zero deportations and a slap on the wrist for the employers.
How much you wanna bet that the same thing happens again:
ICE Raid Nabs 34 Suspected Illegal Immigrants
All 34 suspected illegal immigrants were arrested while working on the new Tennessee Air National guard facility. News of the arrests was enough to give air travelers we spoke with a case of homeland insecurity. “Illegal immigrants should not be working on a secure installation,” said Darryl Johnson.
Federal officials say all the immigrants are from Mexico. They’ve been taken to an East Memphis facility for processing and face deportation.
When asked if security of the new Tennessee Air National Guard facility was compromised , Temple Black, spokesman for the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency said, “Not that we know. That’s why it’s still under investigation. We’ll find out as we go along.”
Federal investigators are still trying to determine which contractors are at fault for making the hires. The issue is complicated because there are four primary contractors and dozens of subcontractors working on the $215 million dollar project.
At least two of the contractors we spoke with, APAC and Reliable, say they do background checks and none of the contractors work for them.
A spokesman for Alberici construction company says they do identification checks and haven’t been notified by federal authorities.
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Our military needs salad in their lunch. Do you want to go pick lettuce for $50/hour? I didn’t think so! Now keep quiet, we’ve got Hispanic votes to woo here.
Don’t want to sound too cynical here, but this should come as no surprise to anybody. I’m sure to everyone who visits your site knows this happens far more often than anyone is willing to admit. Thanks for keeping us informed – you’re doing the job the MSM won’t do, even for $50 an hour!
Ei yi yi!
Er, um, ever hear of background checks? They should almost be a requirement nowadays…possibly.
The local news in Memphis reported that fines could be forthcoming to any contractors involved.
How about arresting the contractors for their criminal behavior of hiring illegals to avoid taxes, paying other than slave wages, padding their profits and for denying these helpless illegal workers their workers compensation benefits?
cpodug,
I agree. It isn’t shocking nor surprising. It is rather unfortunate. We can do better – We are the United States of America, after all… if only we weren’t handicapped by the open borders President we now have, and the one we are sure to vote for in Nov.
probably won the bid for the job by using these illegals, the honest bids were more than likely higher and left out in the cold…. fine the carp out of them.
Anybody want to take a guess at how many had “social security” numbers?
Do these contractors use the Identity website that the Feds have up and running?
Name the contractors!!!!!!
The right of illegals over American citizens
My kid’s little league baseball team requires background checks for coaches and volunteers. PTA volunteers get background checks. But these contractors don’t?
No surprise here. I was on a job site once where the unions tried to have us removed. We were hired by the owner to do construction layout. Our company consisted of 100% Americans (without union cards). Needless to say, we stayed and did our jobs but were harassed every day and our work was destroyed by the end of every day.
One day, 4 school busses showed up and the Feds raided the place. They took away over 100 illegals with union cards.
I got the message real quick:
American without union card = bad.
Illegal with union card = good.
I have not set foot on a union job since.
I could tell you the monetary reasons behind why illegals were working there with union cards but it is just what I know and some folks here think I need to “show” proof. Let’s just say the people who tried to kick us out had a great time turning in their fellow workers and telling us how much money the unions made in forced dues and cooked books concerning wages they paid illegals versus what they “paid” illegals. The whole thing is sick.
I don’t want fines for these contractors, I want PRISON sentences. I want asset forfeiture. I want drawn and quartering.
Now would be a very good time to make an example of one of these companies.
There are many social conservatives who oppose illegal immigration. But the decision makers in the Republican party are pro business conservatives who appreciate cheap labor. It’s your party — do something about it.
Let me see 34 illegals from Mexico, times his illegal annual salary, approx $35,000 = $1,190,000.
How much is sent back to Mexico?
I can tell y’all right now what’s gonna happen:
There’ll be a big outcry about the lack of border security. The Government will pass bills calling for increased security, but will not implement them. The border patrol will make some arrests, after which Federal Prosecutor Johnny Sutton will let the illegals go and prosecute the agents. The Government will wait for the outcry to calm down (it always has before, it will this time) and then it will be back to business as usual.
troll alert
Advice from lgm… priceless!
It’s like I said yesterday – liberal’s worldview is Dem vs Rep. What’s good for America or the “greater good” only enters their minds when its an entitlement for some “oppressed minority group.” But I guess these “law-abiding” illegal aliens posed no harm. Who cares if there are Americans who are willing, able and qualified to do the job? We have illegal aliens and businesses who are willing to hire them… so it is ok.
Liberal
Goon
Miseducated
Lgm,
Almost a coherent thought!
Three drivers licenses? Dimocraps!
Sanctuary cities? Dimocraps!
Pandering for their votes? Dimocraps!
Providing social services (free stuff we pay for)? Dimocraps!
Shall I continue?
cpodug,
Excellent pic.
30 – probably too cute for lgm, though – oh, well.
lgm, do you have a valid drivers license?
If our country carried on business like this in the early 1940’s we would all be speaking German or Japanese now. Has anyone thought about construction plans for liberal internment camps?
heres another…
Unfortunately, this is a product of the phenomenon known as “low bid contracting.” For every kind of outsourced service such as moving, food service, or construction there’s always a competition for the lowest bidder. There is nothing surprising about this… it’s just too bad that they think that military members or their families who believe in the rule of law should have to tolerate it.
The military has become so bloated with bureacrats that it’s unleashed a process/system it can no longer control. The lowest bidder who gets the contract is “supposed” to follow certain government criteria. Some contractors cut corners (by hiring illegals at low wages) to meet those criteria.
I haven’t had a personal brush with the situation… only the incompetence. In the Hampton Roads area of Virginia, Harrison’s Moving is the low bid mover. They’ve had nothing but complaints from military families (such as mine) about breakage, damage, and poor customer service (which you find everywhere). I’ve heard of at least one retiring family in the area who saw a lot of Spanish-speaking movers moving their stuff and who had access to sensitive information (such as social security numbers). Were they illegal… I don’t know but when was speaking Spanish necessary to do one’s job?
You’d think that if military families raise a stink about such practices, the federal government would be sure to follow, right?
How thought-provoking. Wow…we’ll get right on that. Doh!
You don’t mind though, do ya, lgm… hey, illegals are just doing the jobs Americans won’t, right? Why don’t you lay this suggestion at your own party… right up to the point where they say it’s a civil/human rights issue.
Talk about the troll of obviousness….
Two years ago we had a similar sweep completed by the Mountain Home AFB Security Forces Squadron netting several illegal invaders along with drugs and paraphernalia belonging to employees of the Government Contractor building new base housing units. ICE actually came out and took away the illegal invaders, but I am sure they have already found their way back into the US and continue to keep Americans out of work by under selling their services. The contractor kept the contract working for the Army Corps of Engineers which really didn’t go over well with the Wing Commander and most the bases and local community’s population. Since this is a Guard Base I can guarantee the security is somewhat lack compared to what we have at our location, but the contractor is just as guilty as the illegal invaders they hire and one can only wonder why the heck the DOJ is not doing their job. O’ yeah, I forgot our political overlords could give a damn about the sovereignty of this country and the safety and security of it’s overly tax burdened citizens.
Sadly, I am not surprised.
lgm It ain’t a right , left, Republican or Democrat problem, it is an American problem. Remember the word American had no hyphens? When the word American meant you didn’t have to be pigeon holed into any sort of sub species or group?
It will take both sides to address the problem and simply wishing it onto conservatives or Republicans does not absolve liberals or Democrats of any responsibility.
It is the same argument liberals use with the war on radical Islamists, it’s a Republican problem.
Well if somebody needs to do the heavy lifting then I would hope it is the Republicans and conservatives that step up, but in any case I want all of the legal citizens of this country to finally say enough is enough. These are your friends and neighbors doing the hiring, and it is hard to go against them and report them and wish for stiff penalties but the option is to turn into what communities who embrace the hip hop culture of no snitching. Rampant crime and a collection of people who bear no personal responsibility for any of their actions.
Instead of blaming Big Brother we need to kick Big Brother in the seat of the pants.
Gee since when did we hit zero unemployment? There are no able-bodied people on welfare looking for work? Everyone who wants a job has one? I heard that the GE plant in Indiana is closing. I’ll bet there are a lot of folks who will be looking for work!
I live in Cleveland, TN but work in Dalton, GA where we have a large Hispanic population. I just passed a new cab on the way in to work today. The signage on the side read “La Raza Taxi”. I forgot the motto on the side but I’m sure it translated something like “We own you bitc*es.”
Must be troll migration season … or spring. They seem to be particularly active today. Anybody seen the can of Raid?
Actually, duke, it’s mating season. Looking for a date?
Just A Grunt said (#24):
Yes. If it is a problem we all share it.
The bigger picture is that your party, starting with Nixon’s “southern strategy” and continuing with Reagan/Atwater and Bush/Rove gets elected by making nice noises to social conservatives. But it actually works for pro business conservatives. Tax cuts and social security “reform” (rollback) have little benefit to lower income social conservatives.
Do you want a party whose main interests are keeping out Spanish speakers, banning abortion and evolution, persecuting homosexuals, and putting crosses on every corner? If so, you need to work for it.
No surprises here. As one of the ABSCAM congressmen told the undercover investigator, “In Washington, money talks and bulls–t walks.”
With a Chronie incompetent cartton character for a Homeland Security Secretary…..is there any doubt that these guys will be released and the employers will not be punished.
Bush doesn’t care about American workers.. his main emphasis priority is deeply centerd in support for anyone from or currently living south of the border.
This last paragraph is why people call you a troll. You were just on another thread posting about how SHoward made an argument, but here you seek to harass.
These comments are unworthy of response because I find it difficult to beleive that even you think what you wrote is accurate and not simply hostile venting.
On March 27th, 2008 at 11:06 am, lgm said:
Lgm, playing at class warfare again?
The above is simply not true and you know it.
Tax cuts at the investment level yield the type of excess investment dollars in the m3 sector that invariable lead to increased production and wealth-flow throughout m2 and m1 sectors; in essence, tax cuts for the wealthy (as your side misleadingly labels them), combined with government spending caps and deregulations are what keep the economy healthy and functioning for all classes – from middle income cash savers (m2), to transitionally low-income cash carriers (m2).
LGM, Rusty, SoCal Alameda and the others, come here because the conversation is generally intelligent and stimulating. The sites they might ordinarily visit, based on their political bent, are absolute intellectual cesspools. They actually get to exercise their minds here. I welcome them out of the darkness.
lgm is proving that liberalism is a mental disorder
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This is a problem for all Americans.
Many of us have not forgotten how many Americans got involved in defeating amnesty. What’s always hidden in that travesty from McCain/Kennedy is that this one issue united us as Americans. This illegal invasion crossed party lines, more than any issue of our time, besides the time directly after 9/11.
I reccommend that all of us get involved in this fight for our rights as citizens. I personally go to construction sites and take pictures and scribble notes of the illegals and their slave bosses. Doing this sends a message to the contractors and their illegal invaders in a very loud and clear way.
The entire development should be ripped down and redesigned from the ground up – at the expense of the contractor(s) responsible for using illegal labor on a secure installation.
Is McCain a partner in the firm?
LGM, we want a party that keeps all ILLEGALS out but you just focus on the Spanish speaking ones. There are many others here but you don’t care. As for your favorite cause-you are a very sad and sorry individual that cares more about this topic than anything in your arsenal. I think perhaps you’d be happier if you went to med school so you could perform these procedures yourself and get nothing but joy out of your day. I think that’s the best job for you and you’d love it so much.
I don’t know anyone who is against teaching evolution, just teach intelligent design along with it.
As for your no one likes gays reference-you really are stupid. Most are okay with Civil Unions but marriage should be between a man and a woman. Why don’t you move out of NY and go to MA, you’d be happier there.
I guess I’m considered lower income scum by you and your rich cronies. We have done well by the tax cuts. Rich, ivory tower living liberal fools like yourself who probably don’t give squat to charity like to take other people’s money and give it to those who want to collect welfare benefits and that’s your idea of giving to charity just like the Obama family.
Unfortunately, this is nothing new. At Ft Irwin (in the high desert of Southern California), there were mutliple attempted rapes, all taking place in the Nov-Jan timeframe. The descriptions from the attacks led the MPs to believe that the same person was responsible, and they reasoned that the perpetrator was a construction worker hired by one of the civillian firms that was awarded the contract to build new base housing. When CID asked to review their employee files, none of the contractors were able to provide them.
Since then, new, vetted work crews have been brought in and the problem ceased to exist.
DBNinKY said (#35):
No. Just saying that if you’re a middle class or lower middle class, the Republicans are not working for you, even if you vote for them. The economy did better in the high tax Clinton years than the low tax Bush years. Median income (the income earned by that guy who has exactly as many people richer than him as poorer than him) has fallen (adjusted for inflation) under Bush. If you make less than $100K/year, Bush and his tax cuts have done you more harm than good.
jcflindsay said (#36):
It’s more fun here than the Kos liberal echo chamber. I get tired of reading things I already believe (there). Intelligent is not a word I would use for the average post here (e.g. #33).
terrig said (#40):
The Kansas State Board of Education voted to take evolution out of the curriculum.
I shoot for 10%, not a lot I know, but something.
And we also eat Christian babies at Passover, which is just around the corner — I can’t wait.
LGM, good for you-we give 20%. So if you want to play tit for tat go right ahead. What about your liberal icons-it’s a fact that liberals don’t give to charity. The Obama’s, Kerry’s and who knows about the Clinton’s and their giving since they don’t want to let anyone see their tax returns.
You’d be perfect as an abortion doc-that way you can eat all the babies you want.
You’ll have to forgive lgm, he’s just being a “typical, white upper middle class, male troll.” He can’t help himself.
On a side note, he managed to work in abortion into the thread so I’m sure he feels better about himself.
Hey, lgm… why don’t you find a nice bridge, tuck your “typical white male knees” up to your chin, and suck your thumb?
Proof… like sources for your insinuations. The thing you don’t need on the Daily Kos but is of help here. You’re a mathematics educator, you should know better.
What about the high tech bubble of the late 90’s? Was that part of the “more successful Clinton economy?” Gosh, the delusions that Clintonistas have that presidents have anything to do with the economy… well, unless you regulate certain industries to death.
Here’s a suggestion… you can voluntarily get taxed into the next millenia… I’ll choose having a say over how my tax dollars get spent through my nice, fat refund check. Thanks.
Yes, you’re so firmly convinced of your world view as to think you have all the answers. I’ll be the first to admit, as a Social Studies educator and someone who has studied human culture, that I am constantly surprised at the convenient, token wisdom self-assured liberals seem to have until something bigger than them shatters their perfect universe.
And… how are any of your posts any more intelligent than post #33.
Backed by popular support… or did you forget that… the whole will of the people thing, you know?
Are you a “sterotypical Jewish liberal,” lgm? I’m not surprised. When you make statements like this, you do not represent your faith very well. I’ve met some very devout Jews, some who didn’t exist in their own echo chambers and some who do (you). Do you also believe that Palestinian terrorists should be murdering those of your faith in Israel, as well?
Really? Would like you like to submit your tax returns as proof? Then, again, allocating other’s tax dollars for the selfish whims of others (something you support) seems to bely the commitment toward charity.
emjem24 (#45) said:
I don’t give links to things that are so commonly known and easy to find.
Let’s review. I said some conservatives want to stop teaching evolution. You answered that they don’t, but only want creationism added. I gave you an example of conservatives taking out evolution. Your answer: that a majority of Kansans agree. This is wrong in two ways (get ready for a thought so complex that you will have trouble understanding it)
(1) A majority of Kansans did not support it. Instead, the whole school board got voted out by a landslide in the next election.
(2) If they had, it would have been a majority of conservative Kansans wanting to get rid of evolution, which is what I said.
These people are deported, and back across the border, working, before the paperwork is done on them. More than likely, they “volunteer” to carry drugs across to pay for their expenses. It really gets to be a bad joke. I look at it this way. If I was a poor Mexican and had relatives here, why wait for a visa? Just come across and go to work, preferably in a sanctuary city. Get a nice place, a car, a nice job and lots of electronics. You bet I would be across the border. If I get caught, who cares? Just accept the ride home, jump on something going north, and be back in no time. Just a minor inconvenience.
Can anybody come up with a bigger understatement than that?
You did not provide evidence that tax cuts somehow prevent the increase in income. You only gave evidence that those incomes are barely keeping pace with inflation.
If the source was so easy to find, then why didn’t you just link it to begin with? Or were you being lazy?
Let’s review, liberal troll, what you failed to address in the first place:
1. Where did you say “some conservatives” want to get rid of evolution? Since you like to stereotype and generalize conservatives, this assertion doesn’t pass the truth test.
2. Kansans voted in these school board members. These school board members represent those who vote for them. Now are you saying that voters didn’t support getting rid of evolution even though they voted for people on the board who did? Either this measure shocked the voters or perhaps, not many Kansans decided to vote that cycle?
3. When you try to make aspersions about someone’s intelligence, you only back up what others say about you in the first place.
4. You’re getting me confused with Terrig. I guess we’re all just “stereotypical conservatives” to you, right?
Okay, liberal troll, this should be really, really easy for your deluded, enraptured orafice to understand:
1. When you vote in people you support they tend to decide on issues that were part of the person’s campaign. Now, if they do something that voters did not support, then yes, they will most likely lose their jobs. Now either one of the two situations occured:
(a) The School Board members promised to do away with evolution as part of the curriculum when they ran for the seats on the board. Voters voted them in accordingly.
(b) Such a decision wasn’t discussed during the election to apprise voters of their plans. The voters felt “betrayed” (I would never unilaterily get rid of evolution by itself) and got rid of them for doing something the voters didn’t want.
2. When was this suggested by you? Or were you making yet another generic, stereotypical remark about conservatives?
Since you seem to know about the goings-on on the Kansas Board of Education, you wouldn’t mind posting that link to back up what you suggest took place, right?
Lgm, when you get an original thought that’s based not on hate and bile for your opposition… let all of us here know, okay?
Thread review for emjem24 (#49):
This started when I wrote (#31)
Admittedly a little provocative hyperbole on the last point. Anyway, terrig wrote (#41):
I answered (#42) that the Kansas State Board of Ed had advocated removing evolution. Then you said they had a right to (#45). This is true, but only reinforces my claim that there are conservatives who want to ban evolution. I’m sorry to confuse you with Terrig. All you
white peopleconservatives look alike to me.You also complained: (#49)
I never claimed this. I did say that the economic lot of the median income person improved more under Clinton than under Bush. I didn’t give links because I assumed that anyone in this thread would know it.
I question your intelligence because (1) you and several others insult me all the time, and (2) you constantly get my arguments garbled, as above.
I have to comment on this situation. I’m in the Tennessee Air National Guard in Memphis. This site is hardly “secure.” There are no Air Force Security Forces controling entry. Right now, it is a giant mud pit with buildings being constructed on it. The gentleman in this quote was a random air passenger that was in the terminal approximately a mile away.
We as guardsmen, are only allowed on this site on an “as needed” basis so that we can check certain aspects of the construction progress and to insure that specified design elements are being constructed to specifications.
Now, I’m not condoning contractors hiring illegal workers and YES, certain background checks should have been done on people being hired, but the Air Guard doesn’t have control of that.
Having been to the site personally, this raid didn’t surprise me. The day after my last visit, I commented to a coworker that ICE would have a field day if they visited the site. My comment couldn’t have been more prophetic.
//sarc on//
I do hope there is a plan for checking the facility for listening devices. We don’t want another incident like the American Embassy in Moscow.
//sarc off//
We will never fix the illegal invasion problem with politicians like this
That’s it, in a nutshell, Ansell. All these people want to do is open the borders wide, and let the flood in. New voters. And, they could care less about the country or state, as long as they are in power, and “in the money”.
Sorry to step in and interupt trollism, but UNC is playing Washington State.
GO Tarheels!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go Cougars ,, Gale lol,,, Anyway LGM you never gave an answer to where all the abortion clinics are being bombed today or yesterday or the day before. You never said where they were bombed last week either. Yes I am pro business since they do the hiring. i have never got a non-government job from a poor person. Which gay person was harassed today? How would you help the middleclass by letting millions of illegal immigrants in here?
interrupt…..can’t spell today or yesterday for that matter!
LOL!
Indeed the Limousine Libs want more voters for them whilst the Rockefeller/CFR/Trilateral Pugs want a bottomless pool of sub-labor … with the majority of Americans coming off second best as a result.
Both the above blocs are well insulated from the consequences of their support for the Mestizoisation of the USA.
In their gated communities they don’t have to worry about their cars being stolen or their wives and daughters raped; their kids don’t have to compete for entry jobs with these invaders.
“They are so hard working” … but all too many of them will steal whatever they can knowing they can just use yet another alias and get another sub-job somewhere else after they get out of the county clink.
Sadly I see no hope of improvement. not a single candidate with a snowballs chance of being elected President is inclined to do what is needed to be done to take care of this problem.
The precedent of the current inhabitant of the White House shows the President can treat Congress as an advisory committee rather than a lawmaking one.
And with a likely D majority in the next Congress the best we can hope for is classic R obstruction tactics to prevent a “Shamnesty”.
Tennessee Dave, #51
Unfortunately, this is the norm for the majority of bases in the US. Civillian contractors have taken over the jobs of gate guards and in some cases, base police. Most of them are young and inexperienced, without an inkling as to how the military operates. With that in mind, you can well imagine my suprise a few weeks ago in Virginia when I was greeted at a gate, not only by guards in uniform, but by ARMED (and not just with a Glock and a rusty 870 in the corner of the shack, but truly armed, pistols and rifles) guards in uniform who, upon thorough inspection of my ID, even went so far as to greet me by my rank….it boggles the mind what can sometimes occur.
When you have to recycle your own posts to make a point, that is not a refutation that is lazy repetition. As an academic, I would think you beyond such backward thought processes.
The most underwhelming understatement of your troll blogging career here when you use the term “provocative hyperbole.”
You never answered any of my questions. You never provided a source to back up your assertions. For me, your statements are liberal, generic hyperbole.
Which one is it, lgm, conservatives or “some” conservatives who support getting rid of evolution? You seem to mix the two ideas in your posts.
Unfortunately, when you continue to banter around with stereotypes, lgm, you tend to reinforce that lack of tolerance that liberals have for those who disagree with them. Liberals can be diverse but conservatives are all white and meshed into the same stereotype. What a charming assertion from a “typical white, elitist liberal” like yourself.
Actually, in your wonderful link, there are claims that illegal immigration has factored into wages not keeping pace with inflation. There was no “blame” assigned to Pres. Bush, nor a judgement that Clinton had the better economy. Both presidents have signed trade deals that have outsourced/offshored American jobs so both should get the blame.
You would like to apportion blame to one specific president when under Pres. Clinton… a recesion clearly had developed when the tech bubble burst. Will you deny this? Or will you continue to trumpet that it’s Pres. Bush’s fault for lack of wage competitiveness because of your liberal grudge fest?
1. When you continue to bait Michelle’s blog community with “provocative hyperbole,” you will get equal treatment (a principle you liberals favor). You seemed to have missed the boat regarding “mutual respect,” a thing rare in liberals I’ve met over the years.
2. Did you make any substantive arguments that didn’t factor in abortion? When you liken attacks on recruitment stations to attacks on abortion clinics, do you think that is a substantive argument? Or are you making such comments to stir the pot and turn even new blog contributors (like myself) against you.
You live in a naive, insulated universe, lgm, if you think you can come on to blogs like this, insult conservatives who don’t agree with you, and expect it to be ignored. Get a clue, get with the program, or go back to your Daily K, liberal echo chamber. Perhaps with a little less “self-love” and a little bit more “self-awareness,” you’ll stop pleading the vicim. However, I think I and many others on this blog think you know what you’re doing is deliberate. You’re no innocent. That’s why you’re regarded as a TROLL.
LGM-I am a proud Consevative, White Person. We know what you are.
Please, why haven’t you answered my question as to whether or not you will enter med school so you can do your dream job. It is my hope that one day you will understand how wrong you are and that people like Mumia who are killers deserve what they get they get and babies are innocents. I am pro-life across the board and would like to see people like Mumia put away forever with no contact with lovers like you or their families, just as their victims have no contact with their families.
You are an absolute insult to people. You are an absolute disgrace to the Jewish religion. I do not believe you go to Temple.
You are what is wrong with America today. All you ugly liberals look alike. Troll in Chief.
Emjem, let’s hope that one day he finds out how sick he is. He’s a baby, he cries because he’s insulted. Somebody call the whaaambulance.
On March 27th, 2008 at 2:28 pm, lgm said (#42):
I disagree. During President Bush’s two-terms, the rural area in which I live has experienced numerous improvements to its economic base (which was based solely on coal) and ability to offer greater job opportunities to its citizens. The two tax cuts have brought investment to our region that has lead to more jobs and income expansion in the service, manufacturing, medical and retail sectors of the local economy; for example in just the past eight years, Consol Coal (based in Pennsylvania)and other large energy concerns have greatly expanded their workforces in my county, several hospital chains have grown and expanded into this area, and manufacturers like Trus-Joist MacMillan and American Cabinets have also invested and expanded here.
Other than a new Taco-Bell restaurant, our county and region saw little to no growth under Clinton.
Again, I disagree. The Clinton-Gingrich years were the result of an economic upturn that began under the first President Bush, and continued because of the confidence Wall Street felt after a Republican take-over of both houses of congress and the innovation of the burgeoning tech sector. That the economy grew under the unnecessary restraints of Clinton’s tax increase is a testament to the American businessman’s determination to succeed.
I don’t disagree with you on this point, but it must be recognized that the middle class decline began in the economic malaise of the Carter years, and only leveled off during the Clinton-Gingrich years. Furthermore, Clinton-Gingrich did not have the economic stressors of two wars on terrorism, a sinking dollar (btw, the strong dollar under Clinton-Gingrich made U.S. goods unaffordable on the world market and hurt the trade deficit), and a world economy in flux; on the plus side, the Clinton-Gingrich economy did have the unprecedented benefits of a growing tech and sub-prime bubble, the latter of which was the result of the Dems push for urban renewal and credit expanse. (And look where that ended!)
As a public school teacher I will probably never rise to $100K, but I do not blame the President for my poor career choice; and in that same manner, I think it is unfair of you to blame the tax cuts that have kept this economy from sinking after 9/11, two bubble bursts, two wars, and a wavering dollar. Unless you have indisputable evidence correlating the plight of the middle class to the tax cuts, I do not see how you can credibly blame the President for their circumstances.
emjem24 (#59) says I’m dumb. He/she says I’m dumb. Who is right? In answer to my: there are conservatives who want to ban evolution he writes:
DBNinKY (#62) makes more sense
I respectfully point out that you didn’t actually disagree, only offered excuses. The fact is, for whatever reasons, that the economy did better during the Clinton years than the Bush years.
Actually, I’m female. If you’re as brilliant as you claim to be, this wouldn’t have been an uncertainty. You could try asking? You yourself launched a profile linked off of your name… so your gender was easy to discover (unless that was lie). You still have no answers for me though. Generic stereotyping does not beget ANSWERS. Try answering questions… you may perhaps redeem yourself.
Please stop speaking for me. That is extremely condescending. I did not offer excuses. Clinton favored regulation of industry yet at the same time favored free trade agreements such as NAFTA. Care to explain, lgm? Did those jobs only start to leave when Pres. Bush took office? Or was the apparatus put into effect under Clinton?
When you cannot cite “specific” facts to me why the economy “flourished” under Clinton, I have trouble with your assertion that I’m making “excuses.” A tech bubble developed which Clinton, for all his brilliant economic advisors, couldn’t stamp out. Was it my imagination that 1,000’s of high tech jobs started disappearing after that?
I really cannot surmise what level of intelligence you show with lazy posts and the ever lazier technique of using another’s poster’s comments to refute my posts. All I can conclude from such behavior is that you feel either a)uncomfortable answering questions, or b)putting out yet another exercise in futility, troll style.
For all your “wisdom,” in academia, lgm, you show little insight into real life issues unless they fit your mold. You might be a “brilliant” mathematician, but it would appear you cannot construct answers to real questions. Why is that?
I hope you read all my comment. This base is under construction. We don’t occupy it yet. It is controlled by the contractors. There is no security at all.
Dave,
That doesn’t have anything to do with the price of tea in China.
I could give a rats ass if it is secure or not. I care that illegals are the construction worker of choice in our country. And us American slobs can just suck it up, because that’s what our elites tell us to do.
rooster,
I’m not disputing the fact that illegals shouldn’t be here. Not at all.
Having been to this construction site, I was just trying to dispell the myth that it was “secure.”
LGM it is true that you do not answer difficult or easy questions and I am still waiting about all those abortion clinic bombings. please answer soon.
On March 28th, 2008 at 11:31 am, lgm said:
Sorry, lgm, you’re right. I did neglect the point of my disagreement, so I’ll try again.
My point is that I disagree with the comparison. The Clinton-Gingrich years were free of the type of economic stress factors, as mentioned in my previous post, that have prevented the middle class and economy as a whole from realizing the full benefits of the President’s tax cuts.
What’s more, if and when those tax cuts lapse, permanently, I assure you the middle class will be in even worse shape as unemployment – which has seen historic lows, thanks in part to the tax cuts – will undoubtedly rise as consumer prices and misery index levels increase exponentially.