Fitna follow-up: The usual suspects do the usual thing; Update: Fitna pulled from Liveleak; “This is a sad day for freedom of speech on the net…”
Pulled from Liveleak, but still available all over the Web…The genie is out of the bottle already. You can get the Torrent downloads here and a gazillion other places. Wilders’ point has been proven–and will be again and again and again.
Fitna the Movie Dutch (official release march 27, 2008)
Update 4:45pm Eastern: And so the inevitable occurs. Liveleak has pulled “Fitna” from its site (via Allahpundit)…
Following threats to our staff of a very serious nature, and some ill informed reports from certain corners of the British media that could directly lead to the harm of some of our staff, Liveleak.com has been left with no other choice but to remove Fitna from our servers.
This is a sad day for freedom of speech on the net but we have to place the safety and well being of our staff above all else. We would like to thank the thousands of people, from all backgrounds and religions, who gave us their support. They realised LiveLeak.com is a vehicle for many opinions and not just for the support of one.
Perhaps there is still hope that this situation may produce a discussion that could benefit and educate all of us as to how we can accept one anothers culture.
We stood for what we believe in, the ability to be heard, but in the end the price was too high.
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In the wake of “Fitna’s” release, the usual suspects are doing their usual things.
Tick, tick, tick: Muslim nations condemn Dutch Koran film.
Diana West surveyed the preemptive rage.
Lawhawk responds to the EU’s condemnation of the film: “It’s rare to hear them denouncing ongoing terrorism done in the name of Islam by jihadis, whether it is in Afghanistan, Thailand, Philippines, or Israel. Where are the calls for tolerance when the jihadis are busy blowing up schools, businesses, rioting, and otherwise seeking to kill non Muslims and those who are not strict adherents to their brand of Islam?”
Robert Spencer: “Mind you, the European Union has never, ever said anything like that regarding attacks on Christianity. The point is not just the double standard; it is that they are allowing violent intimidation to succeed, and that will only lead to more violent intimidation.”
Britain is in the crosshairs because Liveleak is based in Manchester:
Britain was dragged into the controversy over an anti-Islam film made by a far-Right Dutch MP after Iran condemned its appearance on a UK-based video-sharing website today.
“This heinous measure by a Dutch lawmaker and a British establishment… is indicative of the continuation of the evilness and deep vengeance such Western nationals have against Islam and Muslims,” Iran’s Foreign Ministry spokesman said.
Mohammad Ali Hosseini, called on the Dutch, British and other EU governments to block any further showing of “this blasphemous, anti-Islamic and anti-cultural film”.
…Mr Wilders’s film, which intersperses images of the September 11 attacks and other Islamist bombings with quotations from the Koran, was first posted on the website of his small right-wing Freedom Party on Thursday night.
It disappeared after a few minutes because of “technical difficulties” before becoming available in Dutch and English on LiveLeak, a Manchester-based website, raising fears that extremists could also target British interests. Some 4,000 British troops are serving in Iraq and a further 7,800 in Afghanistan.
The company running LiveLeak defended its decision to host the film. “Liveleak.com has a strict stance on remaining unbiased and allowing freedom of speech so far as the law and our rules allow,” it said in a statement posted online.
David Miliband, the Foreign Secretary, said “we hold fast and firm to European values of freedom of speech”. However, speaking in Slovenia where he was attending talks with his EU counterparts, he added that “in each of our countries there are legal and judicial systems to ensure that freedom is not used to incite religious or racial hatred”.
And Kurt Westergaard doesn’t want his cartoon in the film:
SPIEGEL ONLINE: Mr. Westergaard, the anti-Koran movie made by right-wing Dutch politician Geert Wilders begins with your drawing of the Prophet Muhammad showing him with a time bomb in his turban. You are taking legal action against Wilders as a result. Why?
Westergaard: The Danish Union of Journalists will file for an injunction today to force Wilders to take my cartoon out of the film. I don’t want my cartoon taken out of its original context. It was a cartoon aiming at fanatic Islamist terrorists — a small part of Islam. The cartoon must not be used against Muslim society as a whole. That was not my intention.
SPIEGEL ONLINE: And this is what you think Wilders is doing with his film?
Westergaard: Wilders has a overly generalized perception of Muslims as potential terrorists. But it’s not like that at all — I know a lot of Muslims living here in Denmark who accept democracy completely and who live their religion as a very private matter. I hope that all Muslims will adapt to secular society. There is currently friction between Muslim and Christian culture. But I am quite sure, that our Western democratic culture will prevail over the darker version of Islam. We must have Islam-light.
That was “Fitna’s” message, too.
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Pretty good flick
I think I’ll watch it AGAIN then.
“R” stands for the Religion of perpetual hate.
MM,
Thank you for posting the link to the film.
/s/
jose
However, I have this feeling that it won’t be nominated for a best documentary Oscar. If only they’d involved Michael Mooreon…..
Let the spin begin. When I watched the film I thought I saw muslims making the outragous statements against the west. That makes him “far-Right?”
Snort…
Ah, but then the violence of Islam somehow would have ended up as George Bush’s fault. Remember, to avoid BDS influence you have to stay out of hollyweird.
TEEEEJ
To paraphrase Captain Renault(Casablanca): “Islam has been insulted. Round up the usual suspects.”
Now, to be fair and “balanced,” (heh, balanced?) Islam’s response…
“Dirty pig…I K-E-E-E-L you!!!! How DARE you show the inner-workings of our faith, and beliefs! I K-e-e-l you, pig…(now foaming at the mouth, flects of spittle flying forth) K-E-E-E-L YOU!!! (Heavy, hyper-ventilated breathing…eyes wide with hysteric stare!)Allah akbar! Allah akbar!”
Know ye now, that Allah is good, and kind, and gentle?
where’s rage boy? well, it’s frday…so you know where he is. burning American flags and calling for [insert anyone here]’s head.
The self-righteous Muslims are quick to bleat their indignation about other’s criticism of Islam but are also equally mute when their brothers are blowing themselves up and killing others in defense of same.
Hypocrisy, I guess, only applies to non-Muslims?
And it’s that small part of islam that is seething and rioting about a 15 minute film?
By “small part” he means, the entire middle east, SW Asia, every city in Europe and every major city in the US, Canada and Australia. But other than that, total calm in the islamic world. /sarc
Mr. Westergaard, where were those friends of yours when their fellow Muslims were rioting in the street over your cartoon? Did any one of them express their disgust with the behavior, or did they avoid you like the plague saying nothing in your defense? My guess, it’s the latter.
Iran, Pakistan and Indonesia on Friday condemned a film by a Dutch lawmaker that accuses the Koran of inciting violence, as Dutch Muslim leaders urged restraint.
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Now why would anyone need to urge restraint from members of the Religion of Peace?
It’s out on the internet now…a recall is not possible. My advice to those that are upset by it’s critical call for action – Deal with it.
The release of this important film is yet another positive turn of events in this long war against jihad. I think our side is winning.
Michelle Malkin said: “Inflammation”. Yep. The a$$holes in the ROP are always inflamed. Maybe they should bundle Preparation H with every Koran sold.
Sounds like Westergaard is running scared, just like the extremists wanted.
Many have that perception because the majority (we hope) that do not condone these heinous acts, do not condemn them.
That’s because they are afraid. They know that “fellow” muslims are not only capable but will kill them too.
They can condemn it or ban it all they want…..I have my copy. Anyone need one?
Islam is not a religion it is a “Death Cult”.
They need to be stopped and pushed back to their original parts of the world if they do not want to adjust to western 21st century standards.
Looks to me the so called enlightened, peaceful Mooslems are Mooslems 1st. When push comes to shove guess where they’ll be. Does anyone think all those Mooslems celebrating in the free world after the destruction of the World Trade Towers were radicals, if so guess again.
Religion of Peace my butt
How often do you hear of Christians murdering randoming innocent people to strike terror in the general populous?
Yes that would be interesting to see wouldn’t it? I wonder how the muslim community would react if the shoe were on the other foot.. oh yes, there would certainly be a different response then.. hypocritical bastards. Please excuse my language, but I am getting so fed up with this.
There wasn’t anything in the film that was false. It was current events. It was verses from the Koran. Why does cartoon guy not want his cartoon in the ‘film’? That interview was ridiculous.
Why is it OK for everyone to paint America in the broad brush of ‘Abu Graib’, but nobody is allowed to produce images of events that affect the entirity of the world.
So what there are muslims who don’t like it. . . they should be condemning and rooting it out themselves. They should be applauding efforts to shed light on the dangerous sect of Islam.
Just like Pakistan (if they really truly are a friend in this ‘war on terror) should want our help in rooting out the terrorists in their tribal regions. They can’t do it, but they don’t want us to do it. . . so they are where they are now.
It’s too bad that people get offended. People are going to find ways to get offended. Freedom doesn’t mean free from being offended. I’m offended by the Koran. . . can we ban it? Can we riot over the texts in the Koran?
Network Solutions should have had time to “screen” the movie by now.
And they’ve still not removed their notice from fitnathemovie.com
I used to give the benefit of the doubt to the moderates in Islam. But, as time goes by, I think that they, themselves, support the radicals. They stay quiet in public, yet, in private, support the jihadists all they can. It’s a shame too, because I know 2 moslems and both are quite against all the radical clerics and their congregations. Maybe because both of them are female, and they dress only in western clothes.
Where would Europe be today if the United States was not protecting them? I think they would already be Muslim nations.
Another aspect of the “moderate” vs. “radical” Muslim is that the Orthodox (what the MSM label “radical”) Muslim considers his “moderate” brethren apostates and thus under the harsher schools of Islamic law may be killed unless they return to orthodox Islam.
This I believe is what prevents decent Muslims living in the West from speaking up and out against terror attacks.
60 years of buying their petroleum, we’re now seeing what was a starving cur become a rabid beast after being fed those trillions of dollars!
Oh, oops, my bad, I thought you were talking about Obama and Rev Wright.
I pray for all those who had the courage to show this film. Those snakes, aka, rop can’t deal with the truth being shown to the world for what they are.
L
Our world is rapidly becoming one where the most violent and crazy ones win. People have become so self centered that it’s all about the individual and if society’s needs run contrary to the individual’s wishes then society be damned. As a result, the collective can no longer be counted on to protect the innocent and criminals rule.
If a group can convince the world they are crazy and destructive, they can get anything they demand from individuals and businesses who can’t count on any kind of support from those sworn to protect them.
And now it is obvious how they have proceeded for 14 centuries with very few saying a word. Silenced by threats to you, your family, friends, passers by. Highlight their own words and they try to label it hate speech, they want to sue Wilders for it. They are likening themselves to the Jews of the 30s in Germany. They are beyond parody but this is exactly how they think of themselves as the exalted ones. And you will think that way too otherwise they’ll kill ya.
I don’t know about you all, but I sure would like a nice pork roast over the weekend. Sounds real good…that and bacon and eggs for breakfast.
I am glad I was able to watch it and come away with renewed resolve to resist them at every turn. I will not submit to this medieval death cult ever. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒE!
Don’t despair. You can’t lock up truth. You can’t shut truth down. You can’t kill truth. Truth will always prevail. (2 Corinthians 13:8 For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth.) Net Solutions tried to stop it. LiveLeak picked up the torch and ran with it for awhile. Then, LiveLeak stopped. Now, someone else will pick up the torch of truth and run with it. So, Mo and his merry band of terrorists can just go on rioting and intimidating and it won’t matter one whit. There are more people for the truth than there are who are against the truth!
Good-bye and farewell, Europe.
Our grandfathers came here long ago from your shores, yet their sons returned again and saved you from the horrors of Nazi Germany. They fought and died on the beaches of Normandy and throughout your continent to drive your tormentors and oppressors back to whence they came.
This time we will not be able to save you, for you have not even the courage to show a movie that dares expose your next master – The World Of Islam and Sharia.
You have grown weak in the face of bullying threats and violence. You believe that acquiescence to this new tyranny will save you – Nay, in your submission you are doomed to live tethered to your yolk as your Muslim subjugators stand over you and take your property, your money and your women from you.
Nelson, Churchill, Charles Martel – they would all be ashamed to see you now, cowering before your new masters.
Good-bye, Europe. Farewell.
So everybody is afraid of Muslims, huh? That sucks. So what do we do if they leave up videos that are anti-christian, anti-american, anti-conservative, etc…. Threaten their staff members so they will remove it?
So much for Freedom of Press. Not like this was the same thing as yelling FIRE in a theater or anything.
And I have a copy as well because of the link you provided yesterday. Thank you!!
Where do you get an embeddable .flv or MP4 player for blogs?
On the extremely rare occasions when a lone nutball commits a crime in the name of Christianity, the entire Western world comes down on him and his actions like a ton of bricks, and rightly so.
On the very, very frequent occasions when followers of Islam commit organized, widespread terrorist acts including murder, only a handful of meek Muslims will utter a pathetic peep of condemnation.
Until the “Muslim world” rallies in a unified and effective elimination of terrorism then no one will be able to take the notion of a ‘moderate islam’ seriously, and all muslims need to be held just as accountable as Christians hold themselves to account when one of their own disgraces their religion with a criminal act.
What was the pixel length/width of the original on liveleak?
What part of ‘Fitna’ was insulting? The extreme fanatical element of Muslims believe in the literal interpretation of the Quoran. My question to those moderate Muslims is, where is the outrage against the Jihadists? If they do not represent your attitude, why do you remain silent in the face of barbaric carnage?
Martyrdom is an esteemed accomplishment to many Muslims. Twin Towers, Madrid, London, Al-Queda, Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas are the crown jewels of the Jihad mentality. Why be offended? They should be proud of who they are, as they are executing their objective quite well.
I saw nothing new in this film, I guess I pay attention to what they do and not what they say.
On March 28th, 2008 at 5:44 pm, WORK949 said: Good-bye and farewell, Europe.
I agree that the situation is not good, and will probably get worse before it gets better, if it gets better. But remember that this is not the first time that Europe has been invaded & the Europeans understand war VERY well indeed… the next time they rise up to take back what is theirs let us hope there is not a Clinton in the White House to stop them.
There, I said it… If slick willy had not interfered in Kosovo, conditions on the ground would be quite different today.
Seeing the planes fly into the twin towers was bone chilling and I had to stop watching when our man’s body was dragged through the street. Americans cannot pretend these outrages never happened. Has our msm been threatened to stop telling and showing the truth of 9/11? If so, by whom?
Awesome movie. Makes you think and frightens somewhat.
The end was especially good. I wonder how long Europe will allow it? Until it’s too late?
You can watch it here also.
So the movie was pulled for the very reasons outlined on the film. Seems like the islamofascists are even more stupid than one would first think.
The next step is to stop trying to treat evil savages as gentlemen, and dole out to them that which they only seem to understand: corrective and unmistakable force. Possibly even extermination. This is no different than the fight againt the cancer of Nazism, and possibly worse, as it is a worldwide phenomenon espoused by many so called religious leaders, not just one.
Many men and women smarter than me have seen the way and the light:
No doubt they called the British authorities, who recommended that the film be removed. But there will be other hosts. It is down loaded. It will be sold as a DVD.
FOLKS!!! There is another movie out there called “Islam, What the West SHould Know”. It is MASSIVE, but can be found at JihadWatch. Get it now. If you can’t I will have it and will try to pass along.
Here is another “usual suspect” that should bother us. A warning issued by non other than:
It goes on to warn Americans of possible outbreak of demonstrations. Seems most of the kerfuffle is the tucking of tails in the west and burying western heads (not literally-Yet!)in the sand.
I’m going to have a hard time getting to sleep tonight. Those pictures spoke volumes and I think too many Americans forget all of the evil that has been perpetrated by these followers of the ROP.
The Liveleak employee’s had their lives threatened. Don’t they have Police in the UK?
(I Know the average UK citizen is prevented from owning a gun and using any type of force to defend your house will get you prosecuted).
So again freedom bows to the threat of violence, which only encourages the muslim extremist scum to do it more.
Imagine the outrage if a muslim extremist’s body was dragged through the streets of Manhattan, while crowds of psychotic Americans screamed for death to all muslims.. maybe it’s about time it did happen?
These kind of movies serve no purpose but to ignite hatred in the world. Islam is going through a transformation just like christians did back in 19th century. Christian history was as violent as current muslim history. So lets not take it out of context.
I am not defending jihadist zealots, I just don’t agree that Koran teaches that kind of hate. (Unless you start plucking verses out of context and make it feel like it does).
Again, I want to burn and cook the terrorists who adapt to the ideology to kill innocent human but you can’t label a religion that has 2 billion followers as total trash and inept.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_history
for some of you who want a thorough reading.
Anyone remember IRA?
One more thing while I am on the subject. Koran teaches that to be a good muslim, a person has to believe that all the prophets before Muhammad (Jesus, Moses, Abraham.etc..)were true prophets and you can’t be a muslim unless you belive that all the prophets before Muhammad were Prophets of God.
So cartoons and this kind of stuff is a bit childish. If these were cartoons of Jesus or Moses, true muslims ought to be equally outrageous.
Sorry, not with cowards and dhimmis and liberals like you, Kurt.
There is no such thing as “moderate” Islam. Challenge: Find one “moderate” Islamic majority state in the world.
The best libs and Islam-apologists can come up with is Malaysia. I’ve studied in Kuala Lumpur, and, believe me, Malaysia is not “moderate.”
Truth: The more anti-Jewish bigots (Muslims) we allow into our Western countries, the more our countries becomes like them. This squelching of free speech with Fitna is proof of it.
Solution: Encourage the ones Muslims persecute to immigrate here (Arab Christians), NOT their barbaric persecutors (Muslims).
Please, show us proof for this statement. In which country? Sounds like wishful, dhimmitude thinking to me.
Really? Where are your statistics for this assertion? However, we know that millions have been slaughtered by barbaric Muslims over the centuries (which liberals, like you, do your best to cover up).
Do you know why the peaceful Buddhist religion does not exist in the land of its birth, India? Do you know how many millions of Buddhists the Muslim conquerers slaughtered in their jihad on India? And that is just one example.
How about violent Tamerlane? How many hundreds of thousands did this Muslim nomadic warrior slaughter?
True, Catholics had to kill a few Muslims to prevent these loony Muslims from conquering Europe. Thank God they did kill them when they attempted to invade Europe.
Liberal requirements for “Freedom of Speech”:
Cross in urine – check
painting of the Virgin Mary done in feces – check
American flag that you have to walk on to see exhibit – check
madonna on Crucifix at concert – check
Robert Maplethorpe – check
Michael Moore – check
Things to be prohibited by liberals as “hate speech”:
actual Documentary on islam Fitna – check
Michelle Malkin – check
Rush Limbaugh – check
Need I go on?
JHSII, your list shows how irrational these liberals are.
I was just at the Smithsonian Freer Gallery the other day, and these liberals are replacing all the “B.C.” and “A.D.” references with “B.C.E.” and “C.E.” in our national museum. I guess “B.C.” and “A.D.” are offensive to liberals and Muslims; therefore, we need to appease them by getting rid of any reference to Christ.
I noticed on the new dollar coin that “In God We Trust” has been removed.
Again, the more anti-American and anti-Israeli Muslims we allow into our countries, the more irrational, unenlightened, and barbaric our countries will become. The more we get rid of God, the more the moon god “Allah” will take His place.
Europe, and its irrational squelching of free speech critical of Islam, is proof of that.
#60 On March 29th, 2008 at 9:06 am, Gabe said:
“‘These kind of movies serve no purpose but to ignite hatred in the world. Islam is going through a transformation just like christians did back in 19th century.’
Please, show us proof for this statement. In which country? Sounds like wishful, dhimmitude thinking to me.
‘Christian history was as violent as current muslim history.’
Really? Where are your statistics for this assertion? However, we know that millions have been slaughtered by barbaric Muslims over the centuries (which liberals, like you, do your best to cover up).
Do you know why the peaceful Buddhist religion does not exist in the land of its birth, India? Do you know how many millions of Buddhists the Muslim conquerers slaughtered in their jihad on India? And that is just one example.
How about violent Tamerlane? How many hundreds of thousands did this Muslim nomadic warrior slaughter?
True, Catholics had to kill a few Muslims to prevent these loony Muslims from conquering Europe. Thank God they did kill them when they attempted to invade Europe.”
You got that right, Gabe.
In additon to catholics, Eastern Christians, and of course Jews, have been the target of Islam for over a minnlennium.
Ever wonder why there are so very few
Christians in Turkey, the Middle EAst, and North Africa, which at one time were overwhelmingly Christian?
#56, 57 & 58 sounds like a classic Dhimmi apoloogist whose words sound like something that would be said by a schoolyard bully’s lackey;
or by a typical liberal who heard an entertainer, a socialist politican, or a socialist academic make some stupid statement, and then repeated it, expecting it to be accepted as accurate or deeply intelligent-sounding;
or by an apologist who is either Muslim, or a lawyer or lobbyist who is on Islam’s payroll.
In short, sounds just like something a Dhimmi would say.
Let’s just hope we do not have too many such people in the U.S., or we may just end up joining Europe, and collectively bending over for the Muslims.
Sorry for the metaphor, but that’s exactly what it would be.
This is an existential, civilizational struggle in which we find ourselves, the dismissiveness and blather of weak-minded and weak-willed “useful idiots” notwithstanding.
#62 Gabe:
Agreed.
The “C.E.” and “B.C.E.” I first noticed ~10-12 years ago; I find them very insidious and annoying.
I do, too, Granite. I first noticed it about 10 years ago in publications about Asian art and thought it very weird and annoying.
The scary thing, though, is how it has spread to the public schools. I teach in a Catholic school, and the previous teacher adopted a textbook for 6th grade in World History that uses “C.E.” and “B.C.E.” I told my students not to ever use those terms.
The “B.C.E.” and “C.E.” are becoming mainstream in the schools today. Parents should complain.
As far as the Smithsonian adopting those terms, doesn’t Congress fund the Smithsonian? Are there any Republican congressmen on a committee that funds it that could tell them to stop using “C.E.” and “B.C.E.?”
CE and BCE are used in colleges now – I know from personal experience. I refused to use those terms in a classical studies class last year. Fortunately the professor accepted that without issue, but I was the only one in a class of nearly 40 students.
Be sure to spread any copies you have of the video as far and wide as possible.
Went over to the CAIR site just now and there is absolutely no mention of the film. No reaction at all from them. What’s up there?
If Toby Sterling of the AP (A$$ Press) is any indication, those in the MSM condeming this film have not even watched it. Tony Sterling says the movie “begins with the Danish cartoon image of Muhammad with a fuse in his turban”! Hello, try watching the thing before you make an idiot of yourself!
So those of you also condeming this, watch it before you speak and DO NOT believe what the “press” prints or says.
mulelady #68 – since it’s pretty hard to argue against fact, I’m guessing CAIR are probably pretending the clip doesn’t exist, at least until they can think up some way to twist it around.