Sunday meditation: Obama and the punishment of unborn life
I wonder how pro-life Catholic Democrats will react to Barack Obama’s pregnancy-as-punitive and pregnancy-as-inconvenience-on-par-with STDs rhetoric? There’s a careless callousness in Obama’s phrasing yesterday that’s definitely not going to sit well with the staunch Pennsylvania pro-life voting bloc. What do you think? Quote:
Out in western Pennsylvania, the issue of abortion can strike a nerve. Democrats there often describe themselves economic liberals and social conservatives who favor gun rights and oppose abortion rights.
So, it was not unusual to see a woman stand near the end of Barack Obama’s town hall meeting in Johnstown, Penn., and offer a hurried, passionate plea for him to “stop these abortions.”
…The exchange appeared to be prompted by Obama’s earlier comments that he does not favor abstinence-only education, but rather comprehensive sexual education that includes information on abstinence and birth control.
“Look, I got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old,” he said. “I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby. I don’t want them punished with an STD at age 16, so it doesn’t make sense to not give them information.”
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Huh? Who thinks of babies as “punishment”?
Better yet, what kind of father would describe babies as “punishment”? As a father of six children (three of them teenagers), I was dumbfounded by Obama’s use of this phrase. Of course, this being a Democratic primary, there’s really no difference between Obama and Hillary on the abortion issue, but Obama’s bizarre phrasing is still remarkable.
Regardless of your feelings on sexual education, this statement oozes with animosity. It also reveals the true heart of Barack Obama. Despite his so-called “understanding” of both sides of the abortion issue, any person that could utter such cold, abhorrence when discussing a fellow human being has no intention of displaying any goodwill to pro-lifers.
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Well, I’ve got 3 daughter-punishments plus 2 grandkid-punishments. If these are punishments, I guess I’m a maschocist. Bring it on. I love them dearly.
In light of BO’s stance for what would be murder of an already born baby in his state, what does one expect? The dems don’t value human life unless it is related to them (and sometiems even then). I also doubt very much BO will allow HIS 2 daughters in public school where they will learn how to put condoms on and about sexual activity. They will probably never have a sex ed class in their private school.
Punishment, No. Consequences, Yes
What a jerk. This guy is seriously off his rocker. Getting pregnant is not a “mistake,” it’s a life choice. I can’t believe anyone likes this guy, especially after all of the utter BS that comes out of his campaign.
Another Democrat.
Slow bleed. Soon people will know more about this racist, socialist pig. Just give it time. Bloggers are doing well to bring things to the forefront
Typical dipstick.
This is also very applicable to KY Dems which is why I think our Hillary will do well here in May.
I may get some flak for this, but I have stated before that I think there are three valid reasons for an abortion:
1. rape
2. incest
3. danger to the mother’s life
But that’s it. Using abortion as birth control or as a solution to a voluntary “life mistake” is wrong.
I believe that at some age sex education is a must. I don’t know what that age is and it must be determined by the parents because all children are different and react differently to information.
Maybe a solution is to have class in school, but not make it mandatory to a certain age. Let the parent determine when a child should go to that class.
Point well taken but let’s hope it re-surfaces in the general this fall, when Obama has to answer for his “understanding” to the entire electorate and not just the pro-choice at-all-costs elites.
but if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby. I don’t want them punished with an STD at age 16, so it doesn’t make sense to not give them information.”
Punished? What the hell Globama? I think the glow is gone. Hasta la vista glow!!!!!!
My children are, and always have been a blessing! Only the selfish amongst us would ever continanace a child as a “punishment.”
I don’t know anyone personally who holds Obama’s view on this, fortunately…But those that do should consider neutering their children at an early age, you know, the way they (encourage us to) spay and neuter pets? After all, these pets were not looking to have offspring, either. They were just accomodating their natural sex drive…poking fun, as it were! (Some analogy, huh?)
By removing another generation of like-minded liberal idiots, they would also avoid the “punishment” of having to deal with any grandchildren!
I mostly agree with you, Tennessee Dave (#9). I do agree with your #3 and the sex ed. I sort of agree on rape and incest, but that’s about the border in my thinking, and I’m not sure on what side they should be.
If a 16 year old has casual unprotected sex and gets pregnant. That’s not what she wanted to happen. If she gets an STD, that’s also not what she wanted to happen. These are two unwanted things that might happen. That’s what Obama was saying. You know it. Pretending otherwise is more huff’n'puff from the right.
Who was it that said a gaffe is when a politician tells the truth (or at least reveals what he really thinks)?
It’s always creepy to see a pol use “I’ve got a daughter and I’d like for her to have a choice” when said daughter is like two years old. What kind of a loon looks at his little girl and thinks about her having an abortion?
Oh yeah, a liberal, that’s who.
was that a foot getting shot i heard?
I am so not surprised last July he stated, “What difference does two or three minutes inside or outside the womb really make? One’s ‘late-term’ and the other’s ‘postpartum’. Who’s to say if the postpartum fetus is truly viable? Postpartum fetuses die all the time for all manner of reasons.”
That floored me.
Now is it any wonder why I don’t consider the building he went to a church. That place gives churches and Jesus a bad name.
Planned Parenthood says: “Let’s have the children we want so we can love the children we have.” Translation: birth control does not mean hating children. But of course you know this. Puffing up like a blowfish over this non-issue is just practice.
If a sixteen year old has casual sex, she has made one bad choice. If unprotected sex, that is bad choice number two. If she becomes pregnant, that is consequence number one. If she gets a STD, that is consequence number 2. Now explain how another bad choice, the killing of a baby, will result in anything other than another consequence that would be undesirable.
I am also pro choice. I believe that parents should have the choice to use their resources to have there children educated as they see fit. Private schools and home schooling sound like good choices to me.
Obama’s words are beyond reprehensible. And they echo a theme well beyond the issue of teenage sex: the abdication of personal responsibility.
There are consequences for the poor decisions one makes in life. Engage in unprotected sex and get pregnant. eat more calories than you use and face obesity. Spend more money than you make and face bankruptcy. Ignore the educational opportunities this country offers and prepare to be destined to a life of menial jobs.
Obama stands for the proposition that the government’s role is to absolve people of personal responsibility. Why should one practice abstinence, live within one’s means and endeavor to succeed when the government can provide the solution. Obama’s world would have peole trade their freedom to be responsible for their own lives for government intervention relieving them of that “burden”. The barter of one’s freedom for security. A people willing to make that trade, to paraphrase Benjamin Franklin, deserve neother freedom nor security.
The real irony here is that Obama’s own mother and father conceived him out of wedlock. Is it his belief that his birth was a punishment on his parents? And, based on his mother’s atheist beliefs and her extreme liberal view of the world, had the climate for abortion been as permissive then as it is today, would there even be a Barak Obama? Why should she have had to endure the punishment of unprotected sex?
My Mother gave birth to ten babies and considered each of them a blessing. She lost nine of them mostly due to hereditary cancer and complications. She remains upset with G*d because to her, that was a punishment. I raised three boys and it was certainly very trying on occasion but it was never a punishment.
In twelve years of marriage I was never unfaithful. Not that I did not have desires, only that my fears about the possible repercussions were larger and more detrimental than the “reward” being offered for those “extracurricular” activities.
Jim M. I would agree with you except for the education part. Unfortunately, I think our education has long disappeared in a vast and deep pool of political indoctrination. Home schooling, even at the University level should be an available option. If you think everyone with a degree knows something the rest of us do not, take a look at all of the paper mills and freelance sites where there are daily requests for collegiate and university level homework to be completed for people “too busy” to do it themselves. Not all of that comes from overseas … but that is a personal rant too so … take it with a grain of salt perhaps.
And the true heart of the democrap leadership.
My elderly Aunts were all “Rosie the riveter” types during WWII. Proud union members, Catholic and democrats. When speaking with them, the fastest way to change topics from how bad the republicans are is to bring up the fact that the democrap leadership wants to use their tax dollars to pay for abortions. Boom! The subject changes to the weather or ever. They are ashamed of that part of the democrap party.
Unfortunately Zorro, I think there is altogether too much to be ashamed of on both sides of the political aisle anymore. The question now is can we do anything about it before it is too late or are we already past the point of no return?
IMHO
Re; lgm #18. I was not even going to comment on this story but now I must…
a. the issue in not birth control (nice spin though) it is abortion & the concept that a child is somehow a punishment.
b. somehow I just don’t think that you, personally can declare something a non-issue… I mean really, that’s what the media is for.
Here in Philadelphia, it is fine to kill an un-born child. It is also fine to kill a police officer and be given the death penalty, only to have it overturned. Obama is for abortion and giving murderers an easier sentance. Typical anti-American, democratic base way of reasoning. Our spineless Democrat Senator Casey agrees with Hussein right on down the line. How could anyone of good conscience be affiliated with such a irreverant, illogical, and insensitive organization as the Democrat Party?
I bring this up only because Obama claims to be a Christian, it would be irrelevant otherwise:
lgm, even if he hadn’t intended to compare a child to an STD, he still called them a “punishment,” a highly inappropriate way to refer to another human being. And in total conflict with his claimed beliefs as a christian. After all, a punishment certainly is not the same thing as a gift and a reward given to someone who has been blessed.
Obama is used to speaking before an adoring audience. He better start to realize that its going to be a whole different story in the general election. Something like this will come back to haunt him.
brooklyn red said (#24):
Obama did not mention abortion. In fact, the most literal reading of his comment (which I doubt he intended) would be that abortion is not an option. A girl that gets pregnant has a baby. Therefore, he only could be talking about birth control or abstinence.
You’re right. The press can blow up the most trivial things. This should be a non-issue because most people understand that it is possible for a girl or woman not to want a child at a certain point in her life (e.g. when starting medical school). I waited to have kids until I could provide a stable financially secure home for them.
“There’s a careless callousness in Obama’s phrasing yesterday that’s definitely not going to sit well with the staunch Pennsylvania pro-life voting bloc. What do you think? Quote:”
Not that this is news to anyone…following the “Quote” link above gets one to the Ben Smith article at Politico.
Most of the readers’ comments on that article praised Obama for the honesty, brilliance, and correctness of his answers.
Very scary.
Some commenters, of course, outright dismissed, or even trashed, the Judeo-Christian guidance and teachings on morality and on the appropriate level of control (i.e., the choice of yes-or-no with regard to time [age/life situation], place, and partner) on man’s lustful, passionate (after all, it is) sex drive.
We’re told there’s no need for control…just use condoms and oral contraceptives, and have abortion available as back-up.
We’re told not to pay attention to some 2,000-year-old teachings.
We’re told (by one commenter) that religion is stupid.
Most of the commenters seem to be trying to present themselves as modern, current, and intelligent; but, they really just come off sounding like arrogant adolescents.
God please help us if such are the majority of voters.
Re #28 my hat is off to you on point b.
As far as point a. “but if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.” A reasonable person would assume that the mistake has already been made & that the chicken has already roosted
… hence abortion.
And “punished with a baby” oh my, his daughter(s) must feel really wanted right about now… & yet teen suicide still remains a mystery.
Obama’s pro-choice(including partial birth abortion)become issues if we pro-life advocates stand up and make it one.
BHO is like thread on a comfortable sweater, if you keep pulling on it you know it will come apart before too long.
It’s been a long day for me already so I suppose I must be missing an awful lot here…
First of all, what is stopping any parent including Mr. Obama from giving their children sex-ed information beyond simply values & morals? Why must he rely on someone else to provide information to prevent them from “making a mistake” and thus being “punished”? (Boy, his wording his really disgusting)
If he’d like to truly help his daughters (and any other person who thinks he’s a positive influence), he could say this:
“Okay Kids: Sex = Baby-Making (and quite possibly STD’s) If you don’t want a baby (or an STD), girls – keep your legs closed – boys, keep your pants zipped. If you choose to accept the consequences then adoption waiting lists are begging for your “mistake” and these families certainly won’t consider your “mistakes” as “punishment”. It may cause you to put your plans on the back burner for a few months but life is full of challenges that we sometimes make ourselves and even then you can still go to med school while you’re pregnant and following the adoption. Now, if STD’s don’t scare the bee-gee-bee’s out of you then there’s really no hope for you, the hand-out line starts to the left.”
See how easy that is.
Based on what he chooses to say, I cannot begin to imagine who he is attempting to appeal to and I am disgusted by those who find him appealing.
Does he understand that this “punishment” is his grandchild? Doesn’t that at least require some consideration of the situation? On the other hand, he’s been relieved of the rethinking because his CHILD will go through this alone without parental consent or knowledge. That’s where the good sexual education comes in handy. Hopefully, it will alleviate her remorse. I’m sure she can get reassurance from her pastor that she is going to “Perversion of the Bible” heaven.
Okay, Glowbama is an idiot. A baby is NEVER a punishment.
Now I will catch some flack but don’t really give a care.
90% of the babies we take in are a product of rape. DO NOT give me any crap about rape being a good reason for an abortion. That is a choice as well.
Tell me HE is a mistake!
We have been punished with 4 girls of our own. If any of them were raped, we would never direct them to an abortion center for help. Sure, let them add killing a baby on top of the guilt they already might have.
Until we realize every life is precious, we are coming up short. Some, like Glowbama, – waaaaaaaayyy short.
#32 Pachyderm2:
Well said.
Actions have consequences.
The sooner that is learned, the better.
Cetrainly, I would not let my kid’s life be ruined forever; but, a good serving of shame, as a consequence of one’s action(s); and the realization of the need to exert more effort at controlling one’s future bebehavior, do not sound like bad things.
#34 On-my-soap-box:
Correct.
The child that results from the rape is totally innocent.
That child did not ask to be the “product” of a rape.
‘Course, there are those, including some commenters at this blog, who believe that the fertilized egg is not a person; and that folks like you and me, and lots of others here, are essentially just spinning our wheels, and imposing our – Oh my God! – moral & religious beliefs on others.
In response to folks who are extremely uneasy about the abortion of the “product” of a rape, their response might quite likely be, “What’s your point?”, “What’s your problem?’, or “What’s the big deal?”
I’m not simplistically and heartlessly dismissing the anguish of the rape victim, or the possible risks of preganancy to the rape victim.
Ultimately, in such cases, all of us in society have to decide which is the greater wrong:
to force a rape vicitm to carry to term and deliver a child that daily reminds her that she had been the victim of an attack, and force her to accept whatever health risks of pregancy and delivery may apply to her particular situation – and then, possibly the need for arranging for adoption or ?foster care? for the baby, should the rape victim not wish to raise the baby;
or, to peremptorily declare that the fertilized egg, or 2-3,etc-week-old embryo is not a person, so there’s nothing wrong with aborting it.
Not an easy choice; in fact, it would be agonizing either way.
but, it should be understood that, whatever the decision, some degree of faith; spiritual support; forgiveness; and, yes, prayer, will be needed.
” and the realization of the need to exert more effort at controlling one’s future behavior, do not sound like bad things.”
Unless of course you are a liiiiberal, and have no mind of your own, so your every action is someone else’s fault & it is the duty of the functioning members of society to provvvvide for you.
Just say no.
Our ways are not perfect. I have yet to see a child who was not perfect.
The all knowing world of “how dare you bring a child like that into the world” pressured Beverly every day to abort her daughter. “She will never walk, talk, and will die anyway. What right do you have to make that kind of decision? You are a cruel person…” Beverly never gave up on her baby.
Well, that daughter gave us our first grandchild and that daughter is one of the most beautiful women on the planet and, there is not a thing wrong with her.
Punished!? The more this man speaks, the more he reveals about himself and his beliefs.
L-iberal
G-oofed-up
M-ind
If a person casually robs a bank, they might get shot. They didn’t want that to happen.
If a person overdoes on a dangerous drug, they may die. They didn’t want that to happen. These are two unwanted things that might happen.
If a liberal puts a condom on a banana will the gross national product increase? Obama baby you’ve got a lot of messed up help out there. Just hope there are more of us than them.
I wonder if LGM would make these same utterances to the Lord on Judgement Day. The Lord says He knows us before we even enter the womb. I just can’t figure out how people can be so passive on this issue unless they don’t give two cents for life. LGM will probably say he is not a believer but that won’t make any difference if he is wrong. He is taking a huge gamble there with eternity. I won’t be surprized if the government will legalize post abortion births in the near future. This would
be so convient to those who don’t care, or if a baby got the way of a persons career.
Dear Clueless,
Abortion is infanticide, pure and simple.
No one gets “puffed up” more about this issue, than do the “anything goes” liberals who want to keep this legalized form of murder, status quo.
For them, it is a viable choice for ridding themselves the (knowable) results from a night of carnal recklessness. Of course, it is an obvious result when one depends on the public school system to educate morality, and responsibility, or the lack thereof.
Personally, I feel the helpless should be protected from the bio-bullies that run rampant in this country. If there is a silver lining in all this, it is that at least these aborted babies, produced from the loins of the left, will not “punish” society with the expense of raising them.
right_on said (#42):
Obama almost certainly was talking about birth control (condoms, pill, … ), not abortion. I said birth control. You heard or pretended to hear abortion.
And yes, putting condoms on bananas does benefit the economy. Fewer out of wedlock children means stronger families, better careers, and less welfare. And think of the economic stimulus to condom makers and banana growers.
Protestants say Catholics are damned. Catholics say Protestants are damned. garyt (#41) says I’m damned. Who is to know?
Check what he said again:
“Birth control” after a “mistake” is abortion.
Boy talk about seeing only what you want to see!
This breaks my heart. But Obama is so noble! So wonderful! How dare we q
Sorry – don’t know what I hit to post early…
This breaks my heart. But Obama is so noble! So wonderful! How dare we question the secular messiah in his infinite wisdom!
“Information” is what he seeks, here’s what he’ll get:
Fertility is a natural, normal, and HEALTHY function of a human body. It is not a disease.
The *only* way a woman can get pregnant is if she has sex – with or without birth control.
A child who is created is uniquely human from conception – with his own DNA, etc. – who will develop into a unique individual. A child never *asked* to be created, but was created. A child develops faster into that individual than pro-aborts care to think (as in, it’s not a clump of cells until seconds before birth).
Abortion kills that individual. Abortion robs him of the most fundamental right of all: the right to life. Contrary to what liberals believe, there *is* no right to sex with whoever, whenever and for whatever reason. The right to “life” is listed in the Constitution – and for all their creative interpretations of that document, they conveniently ignore the most obvious ones.
And Obama supports the right of women to murder her child up to and including after birth (he voted against the Born Alive act, so that’s not hyperbole, folks).
He calls children punishments.
He disgusts me.
Disgust comes easily to you when a Democrat is involved.
I repeat: the “mistake” Obama was talking about was unprotected sex. The consequence of this (without abortion) is an unwanted child. It also could be an STD.
God help us anytime some bureaucrat starts characterizing our children as a burden. The last time this was in vogue Hilter was beginning to accumulate his power. The Chinese government leadership, evil in their hearts, are also quite famous for their controlled population efforts the consequences of which has also created a very profitable baby trade selling unwanted female children to American families.
That is precisely what the government did with Terri Schiavo. Her life was deemed not worth living, despite pleas from her immediate family to spare her life. The sentence meted out by the Florida courts was not a manner of death that would pass muster for a criminal under sentence of death or as a form of euthanasia for an animal.
And this occurs more often than people think. It is but one short step away from having the government determine whose life is worth living and whose life is not. A missing piece would be nationalized healthcare, where the government would be directly involved in life and death treatment decisions.
lgm. Disgust is for anyone who kills children. Liberals I believe would rather kill their babies when they can not see them (out of sight, out of mind). If they wait until they can see them, then they might also be charged with murder. What is the difference? None, except in their imagination, the definition of is.
What is life? Indeed. This statement by Mr. Obama indeed is about abortion. There are numerous birth control methods available for both men and women.
lgm,
It shows a great deal of ignorance and condescendence toward main street Americans, that a liberal always has to interpret what is meant by another liberals twisted speech.
This condescending attitude liberals have towards the majority of Americans destroys any credibility they may accidentally get off the backs of normal and faith based thinking citizens.
lgm, did you ever ask why your mamma gave birth to you when it would have been just as easy to rid herself of her mistake? Or maybe you could write your messiah, Obama and ask why his mother didn’t rid herself of her mistake.
I am not trying to take a cheap shot on you, but it is tiring always hearing a liberal explain why another lib is an idiot and that’s not what they meant to say, but he meant,….blah, blah, blah
Rooster, there are such things as intentional, planned pregnancies by people who want to have children.
I agree. Abortion is totally abhorrent.
Of course the thousands (at the very least) of children and babies killed in the Iraq war by coalition bombs are just … what exactly? Errors? Mistakes?
I thought it was millions du scheisskopf du.
sausage. OK. Let’s agree that at least one innocent civilian has been killed by coalition bombs during OIF.
We certainly can say the same thing for the Bosnia Operation from 30,000 feet. Or World War II. (think Dresden where 250,000 innocent Germans, Russians and other nationalities were killed and no military targets were identified)… or the thousands of innocent civilians killed on our highways by people without a license, on cocaine, marijuana, and other legal drugs or illegal aliens, or… well I could go on, but you get the point.
At some juncture a decision is made for the better good. Should one undergo an operation with an 80% chance of success like a heart operation? Should a home defend itself from a rapist? Should one country defend itself from an unprovoked attack like Pearl Harbor or the WTC attacks? We lost some hundred million killed in WW II. In many wars. Many civilians were also killed.
In Iraq, many of these civilians are actually illegal enemy combatants. UBL does not have a regular army. He does not follow the Geneva Convention; neither did the JAPS.
Yes, mistakes happen whenever human beings are involved. We lost 1,500 dead in one training exercise before D-Day. More soldiers and Airmen are killed stateside each year than in combat.
Your point?
With the ‘morals and values’ of b.hussein.obama , he probably does need to plan ahead for these very things.
The fact of his propensity for lies and deceit , his kids stand very little chance of growing up with any REAL values, values to Christians anyway.
Add mommabama’s disappointment and hatred in America and LOW income for every one else but her and liebama and you get???
Mad and sad systemic entitlement type social workers with afro-centric core beliefs should suit them just fine.
Pray for the obama kids, they will need it.
Stop obama for the rest of the kids in America as they too will need him aborted from this democracy, just in order to survive.
Yes, the Democrats *do* disgust me.
I could say the same thing about you and how you feel about 99% of what’s posted here.
What, exactly, about Obama’s positions do you find so admirable?
I think I have every right to be disgusted by Democrats who think it’s a “right” for me to kill my unborn child…
Especially Obama, who not only considers it a right at the earliest stages of pregnancy, but up to and including the abhorrent practice of partial-birth abortion, and even after a botched abortion where he voted against a law requiring a child to receive medical treatment if born alive.
Democrats always claim they are the compassionate ones. Yet that compassion does not seem to extend to the womb or to an infant struggling to survive. Do you know what they do with those “botched” abortion babies? They’re left to die – on shelves, in plastic bags.
If that doesn’t disgust and horrify you, check your pulse. How is that a right? If I did that to my child, it’d be abuse.
So if you have a problem with the fact I won’t kowtow at Obama’s feet and thank him for being such a rabid supporter of 1.3 million deaths annually, fine. That’s your issue. But I’m not going to vote now – or ever – for a politician who extols the glories of abortion like Obama does.
And his comments cannot be taken in any other context than babies = punishment because Obama – in his infinite wisdom – should know that sex (even with contraception) isn’t failsafe. And a majority of children who are aborted were conceived when the woman was using contraception. I hope someone is around to tell his grandkids he sees them as a burden unless they’re carefully planned and structured into his daughter’s lives.
It’s a nice, neat curricular argument. Contraceptive sex = pregnancy = abortion = “women’s rights” = votes for pro-aborts like Obama. And it’s one that I’m smart enough not to buy. Too bad you are.
Oh, and by the way – there is never a thing as an “unwanted” child. Just an unplanned one.
How selfish are we as a culture when children are classified as “unwanted.”
Talk to the parents I know who can’t have kids of their own who’d love to adopt. Tell them children are ever “unwanted” when they work so hard to save money to adopt even one child.
If I had the means, I would adopt as many children as I could. In my eyes, they are all worthy of love and I want all of them to have an opportunity at life.
But I guess that just makes me some heartless conservative, huh?
Source?
Just one:
http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2008/mar/12/letter-those-who-sell-contraception-abortion-one-a/
Don’t have time to look up others, but they’re out there.
lgm said:
Frankly the economy regarding bananas is bad. They are around 69cents/lb. Liberals can’t do math either.
I know….how about (drumroll) NOT HAVING SEX!!! WOW!!
Then, you wouldn’t have to worry about STD’s or getting pregnant? Ain’t that something how nature (and God) make that work?
What a CONCEPT! Is it not the left that wants less children for the sake of the environment? Well, the radical Muslims can breed like rabbits, but here, nope, many liberals are sterile and barren-wombed.
sounds like personal experience…
Originally, I used to support abortion, but that was in my naive, gullible days. The more I learned about it, and the techniques used, the more I became disgusted and horrified over it and being in the medical field, I’ve seen my share of horror and disgust. I have always wondered when a baby goes from a “piece of tissue” to a human being, protected by law; it’s obviously not at birth, since failed aborted live babies are dumped. So if a baby is born and the mother kills it, that’s murder, but if the government does it, it’s an abortion? “Roe vs Wade” was passed to “protect a woman’s right to privacy”. Well, I’ve searched all over the Constitution, and I can’t find one “privacy” word or right, in there. Must have a few copies of a misprinted edition, I guess. It all shows how low in morals and values, the country has become, when we applaud the killing of babies, in the fictious “right to privacy”.
Speaking from past experience ….it is an unforgettable frozen moment in time.
You NEVER get over it and the guilt remains. You pray and the memory still haunts you.
Only in extreme circumstances should an abortion occur.
All children belong to GOD first and are loaned to us to look after and prepare for HIS word.
Wow, I don’t view babies as punishments but I guess it’s just my crazy, right wing, pro life self according to all the dims and the trolls on this site who are so much smarter than the rest of us or so they think. Again, I beg the troll in chief to go to med school so he can perform these “procedures” he’s so thrilled about and that he praises.
Coming out of Mass yesterday morning I saw a bumbper sticker that read, “You can’t be Catholic and Pro-Choice”. How very true.
Having had a few friends who had abortions I know what Gayle talks about. Their lives seemed to stop at that point. I have one good friend that went to that Project Rachel retreat and she’s been twice. She said she does get healing from it and she is becoming “better” to a degree although she feels she does not deserve the beautiful children she has now but they’ve helped her to realize she does. I hope that makes sense.
Punished with a baby, huh? That’s typical liberal thinking.
My concern is this nation might get punished with Obama. We’re certainly overdue for a Divine Judgment. We’ve killed what, 40-50 million of our own? And about to elect a politician who has no problem with that? God have mercy on us.
And let me say this. From reading some of the posts here, there are a lot of women who are hurting over having had an abortion. I sympathize with you. As a minster of the gospel, I will never condemn nor castigate you. I do have absolute sympathy for a woman who has had an abortion and I care about what happens to her. She’s bought into the lie (just as Eve did)that’s been preached by the anti-family liberals and feminists over the last 35 years that a child in the womb is not a child but just meaningless blob of tissue. And many men have brought into it too so we’re not blameless (You hear me Obama?). I absolutely will not ever castigate or condemn a woman who has had an abortion, but if I could, I’d send the abortionist to jail for life. I’ll pray for you, and make sure you know God loves you and will forgive, but never disparage or castigate you. You’re carrying enough of a burden you do not have to carry. Sometimes a little talk with Jesus can make it right.
There is an absolute truth the “industry” does not want to get out. The “industry” wants us to believe that if abortion on demand were to go away, many women would suffer. They don’t want the populace to know that because of this “procedure”, many women suffer and a lot of them for the rest of their lives. Therein is the deception. If the truth ever came out about the number of women who die, are maimed, the suicide rate…. abortion would be harder to get than an aspirin in school. Funny, an aspirin is harder to get than contraception in school.
lgm, you said the most literal reading of Obamas comments meant that he was stating abortion wasn’t an option. You have a comprehension problem. He was responding to a woman who said “stop these abortions”. I have two twin daughters and they were not punishment. Maybe what he was saying is that having black children is a punishment and it is a black thing that typical white people don’t understand. Besides that you can’t believe a thing the liar has to say. And yes he is a known liar. He tells the folks in America that NAFTA is bad and then he calls Canada and says “don’t believe that”. That’s just what I tell the rubes in the democrat party. Now swallow lgm, you have kool-aid running down your chin.
Englishqueen, I love your posts, I really do.
I just found out that I’m being ‘punished’ (sarc) with another baby due in November.
Any idea where I can find a T-shirt that says “Fertility is not a disease”? I scoured CafePress with no luck.
Ron Rockstar said (#71):
Many liberals (I don’t know Obama’s position) say abortion should be “safe, legal, and rare”. It is likely that Obama was saying that sex education leads to fewer unwanted pregnancies and fewer abortions.
If you ever used birth control (that’s 90% of adult Americans at least), there was a time you wanted not to have more kids. There was at least one time when a pregnancy was unwanted. I believe this is as obvious to you as it is to anyone with a double digit IQ. You are pretending otherwise to hate Obama more.
(Clues: (1) yes, that was an insult, (2) I love my kids too.)
That is a joke and the lie of the “industry”. Rare? Some schools have a bus come to the school so girls can go get an abortion. Rare? 1.3 million abortions a year is rare?
You want to know what is rare? A liberal who thinks abortions is wrong and takes a life.
Over 50% of participants in abortion lose their lives. Safe?
I will give you legal. Someone posted that abortion will take place on newborns soon. Well, President Clinton signed a bill three days before he left office declaring a newborn a fetus. There is but one reason for this – ONLY ONE.
lgm, every time you post, you look more like an idiot.
It’s liberalspeak…we wouldn’t understand.
Seriously lgm, do you think we need a secret liberal decoder ring to decipher what Obama meant to say versus what he actually said? I have heard of giving someone the benefit of doubt but you have jump the shark to the nth degree.
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We should always keep in mind the following, which I believe I read in Paul Johnson’s excellent book, “Intellectuals”, either in the introduction, forward, preface, afterword, jacket, bach cover…somewhere (paraphrased):
The writings of intellectuals over the past 200 years or so are essentially torurous excuses and rationalizations for their aberrant behavior.
Oops…left out my codicil:
Intellectuals includes secularists; socialists; elite academics, entertainers, politicians; many scientists,; many philopsophers; writers;…you get the point
Doesn’t this pretty much say it all about this guy and his judgement? How is a baby a punishment? Or is a baby a mistake in his estimation? It must be nice to live in his universe where promiscuity and sexual carelessness should have no consequences.
Why did this man have children… to have a little “mini me” in his likeness or cater to his and his wife’s egos? Were his daughters burdens, punishments, inconveniences? What a thing to say.
No, no, Obummer, please feel free to think that you can remain guilt free and get rid of a baby because it’s not wanted or seen as an inconvenience. It’s too bad that when one is old enough to have sex, it’s seen as something recreational with little planning involved. Heaven forbid a condom or birth control were used with the prevalence of STD’S occuring in 1 in 4 teen girls. Then again, many people also believe that oral sex isn’t “real sex” either.
This man is either naive or the biggest manipulative politician catering to the baby killer cult of this country. I’m leaning toward the later.
In #77, that’s tortuous.
Apologies….
(I probably could include torturous, too!)
…and he calls himself a “christian”. I am sure interested to know how someone reconciles being both pro-death and a “christian”. The two are incompatible.
How are rape and incest valid reasons? That child still has a right to live.
What study shows that more condoms = less out of wedlock children (or less aides for that matter). They are not 100 percent reliable. If they lead to less caution and more sex then the opposite could well happen.
And whose decision was it to have “casual unprotected sex?” Whose decision was it not to use protection? Are you saying it’s okay to have “casual unprotected sex?” Why shouldn’t teenagers exercise a little discretion in this situation? Or should we all be controlled by our sexual impulses?
You astound me, lgm. I think people want a little personal responsibility taught to our children. We can send a man on the moon but we can’t put on a condom or use birth control of any kind? So, one moment of sexual freedom should beget the killing of an innocent life?
What you say is a load of baloney. As a woman, I expect a lot more from people who think they’re “mature” enough to participate in “sex” but I guess not responsible enough to accept the consequences of not using protection. One of the many contradictions immediately evident in the pro-choice movement.
#84 emjem:
Correct.
See the last sentence in my #77 above.
lgm, just for clarity, are you saying that an unwanted pregnancy is punishment? This is what many of us are questioning, specifically the connotative value of the word “punishment”.
I would recommend that if you (or Ron Rockstar) haven’t read the links that Michelle posted, you will find that there is more context. However, lgm, it is a bit ingenuous to suggest that Obama was not relating at all to abortion. If anything, he was evading the topic and stated simply that he wanted abortion to be a “viable option”.
All this is beside the point, however. The real question is, does an unwanted pregnancy = punishment?
Hypocrite much? I would say disgust comes easy to you when discussing anything associated with a)Conservatives, b)Republicans, and c) Pres Bush or anything associated with his administration. Or did I take you “out of context” or “misinterpret” what you said like you’re accusing others of this blog of doing?
Are you now saying that a pregnancy = an STD? You couldn’t be that dense, right? Please stop deceiving all of us and let’s get to the heart of the matter. This man was talking about abortion. Now YOU’RE the one making excuses and excusing what has become a matter of convenience for the sexually promiscuous (including cheating husbands like Eliott Spitzer).
lgm – If you are still reading this, I would like to throw in my 2 cents as well.
You keep insisting over and over that Obama was not talking about abortion at all. I find that hard to get out of his statement, but more importantly, I don’t see why it matters. Whether he was talking about birth control or abortion or both, he referred to babies as punishments. What a sad thought, that someone with children could consider any baby a punishment. And if it was a horrible slip of the tongue, he should have corrected it instantly.
In trying to prove that Obama was only talking about birth control you are ignoring the issue of him calling babies punishments.
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Also, as a young woman who had an abortion in college I’d like to try to add a different perspective here.
Punishment is a new one to me but I’ve often heard of children being called mistakes. Here is a list of [some of] the mistakes I made: not following the teachings and morals of my parents and the Bible; having sex out of wedlock and when I was clearly too young to handle the consequences; letting my fear and my boyfriend get the best of me; killing an innocent child. Getting pregnant was not planned, but the Lord works in mysterious ways and I do not today believe it to have been a mistake. That child could have changed my life or filled a hole in the lives of some couple who can’t get pregnant.
Obama’s language is disgusting but his rhetoric is certainly not new. Abortion supporters talk about protecting young women. But protecting them from what? Obama doesn’t seem to fully comprehend the issue.
The biggest pain I’ve ever experienced is the guilt and shame of what I did. At the time, the thing I feared most was admitting my mistake (to my family and my friends, even to strangers) but the pain of telling my parents that I was pregnant could not have compared to what I still suffer. I know they would have helped me but even if I weren’t so lucky and they kicked me out or something, I would have had a child, a beautiful GIFT from God.
So all the talk about protecting girls by allowing abortions confuses me. Getting an abortion in no way protected me from pain!
I apologize if that post was rambling or less than clear, it is a very tough topic for me and I couldn’t really make myself go back and proofread it.
JW2,
You were very clear and poignant. We’ve spoken on other threads regarding your pain. I pray that God strenghtens and comforts you.
JW2,
I echo 30
JW2 ditto 30 and OMSB
JW2;
I cannot add anything in addition to what #s 90, 91 & 92 have expressed, except to offer the same to you as they have.