Would you, could you, date a liberal?
I got married at 22 and haven’t had to worry about these kinds of things, thank goodness. But for those of you who are single and looking for politically compatible love, John Hawkins’ latest feature on conservative women and dating is an entertaining and useful read.
Here’s an excerpt from Sharon Soon’s thoughts. She blogs at Conservatives with Attitude:
[Hawkins:] Have you dated liberals before? If so, any difference you can tell between liberal and conservative guys?
[Soon:] Absolutely. It’s kind of like night and day. I have always had a policy of not dating liberals, but once, after a bad break-up, I dated a couple of liberal guys…
First of all, they don’t have the same values and I find that to be a fundamental problem. I know a lot of people are willing to accept that, but I’m not. Their whole world view is different from someone who has conservative values and traditional values as a way of life.
Being focused on yourself, and your rights, and materialism, and no ultimate sense of morality — because I guess when you believe in a more secular way of life, a more liberal viewpoint, it’s all about what you can do for yourself and how you can be happy…and you don’t have any belief in absolute truth or religious principles to guide how you live.
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“First of all, they don’t have the same values and I find that to be a fundamental problem. I know a lot of people are willing to accept that, but I’m not. Their whole world view is different from someone who has conservative values and traditional values as a way of life.
Being focused on yourself, and your rights, and materialism, and no ultimate sense of morality — because I guess when you believe in a more secular way of life, a more liberal viewpoint, it’s all about what you can do for yourself and how you can be happy…and you don’t have any belief in absolute truth or religious principles to guide how you live.”
Interesting.
Sort of summarizes the whole “differing worldviews” “thing” I more than rarely blab about.
Nope.
Nope, tried it. Too self-righteous. I dated one girl who was a vegan who took great pleasure in lecturing me on everything I ate.
That didn’t last too long.
Second that ‘nope’.
L
Tried it once too and found the same thing that Ms. Soon did. Seems to be an universal theme.
How could I date a liberal woman? Just listening to them babble on about “social fairness” and “saving the planet” and “impeaching Bush for war crimes” causes me emotional whiplash as I swing from an urge to strangle to an urge to run away screaming.
Ditto on the vegan chick. You’d think eating cheese was a crime against humanity. It’s cheese! No animal was killed. I thought vegetarians were a bit odd but I’d take them any day over a vegan. Yikes!
LOL. I second that.
Luckily I’m happily married. But if I weren’t, there’s no way could I date a liberal. My brother is a brilliant, genuinely nice guy - and a flaming, committed, liberal. The holidays are a real challenge. We have to be incredibly careful to avoid hot topics when we chat on the phone, or it quickly degrades into one of us essentially hanging up on the other. And that’s with the brother I love dearly, but don’t have to interact with that much.
Imagine trying to live in the same house with that sort of conflict!
Thankfully, having found the perfect mate 25 years ago, my energies are being invested trying to bring several soppy-headed in-laws over to see the light. It’s actually funny. They’re being bludgeoned by realities of life which continually demonstrate the fragile nature of liberalism. They want all the goodies that liberalism provides but can’t deal with the consequences (taxes, personal responsibility and lazy-assed people)
If you are somehow coerced into dating a liberal, make sure they see FITNA: “The threat of Islamization” first. After that, if they still believe that nothing is worth fighting for or about, then drop them like a hot potato as they are dangerous to your life and health.
By the way, FITNA can be seen in its entirety (15 minutes) on the web at liveleak.com. (These folks are putting their lives at risk to get the message out. You can take a little time to appreciate the importance of the message.)
absolutely! i agree. liberal men and conservative men are completely different.
first, i find (found - married to a conservative now - w00t) that liberal men end to be romantic for the end purpose of sex, as opposed to being romantic for the sake of being romantic. so, they think they buy you flowers, take you to dinner - and i’m not talking ‘le bec fin’ here - and they’re owed something. *major eye roll*
second, i found that liberal aren’t chivalrous. i want a man to open a door for me. not because i can’t open it myself, but because it’s a gesture of respect. i’ve dated men who wanted to split the check if not have me pay for the whole meal. and this gets even worse when you have a car and the man does not.
third, and my final straw is that i realized that liberal men have a funny idea of marriage. i’ve found of the one’s i dated view divorce as routine as ordering a happy meal.
it’s all about values…
Would you, could you, date a liberal?
I have, and it ain’t easy.
Like you, Michell, I married at 22. At the time I was rather liberal and he was conservative.
His loving challenging and questioning of my beliefs ultimately led me to conservativism, and I don’t think our relationship would have lasted had I gone further to the left (or even stayed the same).
I don’t think - being who I am now - I could date anyone but a conservative, and most likely a Catholic because having someone who shares my worldview makes my marriage very strong.
Literally, the only thing we really fight about now is housework (and he’s a recovering bachelor, so it’s going to be a loooooooong battle).
I know there are probably a few couples who live out the adage “opposites attract” but - for me - I need someone who shares and respects my deeply held beliefs on religion, life issues, politics, and cultures.
Even with the housework bruhahas, I wouldn’t trade my husband for anything in the world. He has been an incredible influence and force for good in my life.
Sharon Soon nailed it–at least for me, as a woman.
I dated a liberal just once and I won’t do it again. I actually still admire this guy because he’s got some loveable qualities: he’s smart, well-educated, funny, can talk on just about any topic and is a genuinely good listener. He does care about people and has some “moral views” which come from his Catholic upbringing. But he was staunchly pro-choice, didn’t see any problem letting gays do what they want, made fun of “Jesus freaks” (”Like me?”, I once asked him), didn’t get what all the fuss was when it came to discussions about bio-ethics (stem cell research, IVF, and the like). And although he was a practicing Catholic he didn’t really know his Faith nor had any interested in knowing it beyond the 8th grade level he had acquired up to his confirmation. When we finally broke up it was not because I am conservative and he’s liberal but because he wanted to have sex, despite the fact that I had made my position clear on that FROM THE START. Right up to the very end he always believed that was something that I could (and would) change my mind on. Like I DIDN’T REALLY MEAN IT when I said “no sex before marriage”. Oh, I meant it alright.
He was a decent guy. But it can’t work.
i always wonder how James Carville and Mary Matalin do it…
what does she see in him?
Would I date a liberal?
No.
It’s the values, stupid.
I am dating one now, only she doesn’t realize how conservative she actually is with her values as compared to a lib.
She was a big Obama supporter until Rev Wright and she is a black woman.
I have asked her to get rid of some of her magazine subscriptions, Ebony, Jet and many others in this gendre’, as they are propaganda peddlers.
She is in business for herself and must pay her own taxes and buy her own health coverage. She had bought off on the BDS for the ills of insurance coverage. She has come to understand that medical expenses are high partly because liberals, and Juan McCain give free medical care to illegals.
If she starts heading left of center, me thinks I have to cut me ties.
Forgot to add my good friend who was married to a liberal is dating a guy she met on conservativematch.com. Her wedding was one where we were all standing in the back of the church, waiting to go up the aisle trying to decide who was going to say “I object”. In the end we all decided to just be there for her when it ended as none of us were anywhere near getting to the altar (I was 21 at the time) and she’d think we were all jealous. She stuck it out for 7 years (started having serious problems at 3 years) and finally decided life was too short.
Huge difference…Momumental!
If he isn’t a God-fearing, gun toting, make me laugh (not laugh at him) kind of man. Well, I don’t want him.
My hubby fits this profile to a T.
#11 On March 31st, 2008 at 2:11 pm, publiuswarmac9999 said:
“By the way, FITNA can be seen in its entirety (15 minutes) on the web at liveleak.com. (These folks are putting their lives at risk to get the message out. You can take a little time to appreciate the importance of the message.)”
I watched the English version of Fitna at Liveleak last week.
But, the next day, when I went find the English version again, in order to send the link to some contacts, I read that it was no longer available; and that the reason for its being no longer available was stated thus: that Liveleak staffers in Manchester, U.K. (I believe that’s where Liveleak is based) had been personally threatened with violence. (D’ya think threatened by members of the ROP?)
So, naturally, they caved.
After that, I could find only the Dutch version; until…:
I saw yesterday that the English version is obtainable at Atlas Shrugs.
Therefore, I also made a contribution to Atlas Shrugs yesterday.
I had to end my note abruptly b/c I got a call but I wanted to add something. I think what it comes down to (for me in the experience I was describing) is that you CAN meet someone who is a liberal and they can have many wonderful qualities. But it has to do with what level your relatioinship can ever get to. With my ex it would NEVER have advanced to any level beyond what it was when it ended. You just get tired. The good is supposed to outweigh the bad but when it gets to the point where you feel like you can’t share your heart and your thoughts because the person sitting across from you is ALWAYS going to be in opposition to the things that you feel are fundamentally important to HUMAN EXISTENCE, this gets to be depressing and stressful. It’s not like me and my ex bickered constantly. We were respectful of each other. But I am very passionate and he’s apathetic. He would state his view and not be open to any other view. It wasn’t even that he was passionate–it was that he just had his mind made up. You can’t really *dialouge* with a person like that. And then, too, there’s the whole issue of this…how can you really love someone who thinks it’s okay to kill unborn babies? Or who thinks it’s okay for homosexuals to engage in unnatural and sinful acts, and sit there and not only defend them but to encourage them.
I don’t know how Carville and his wife do it. This is a mystery to me.
I feel the same about any close friendship–not just dating–by the way. I do have a couple of liberal friends but our friendship is very one-dimensional and always will be. We can’t truly share with each other.
Her reflection…
For me politics isnt the be all to end all but Liberal women I noticed tend to be more snotty and stuck up.
The arrogant feminists are barely datible for any guy.
arrogant feminists don’t like men anyway.
but, i’ve found lately that it’s hard even keeping my liberal friends. i don’t speak with them as much as i used to. BDS is rampant. and not only is it rampant, people with BDS think you do or should have it too. they’ve become preachy and don’t even realize it.
These comments warm my heart — and I’m feeling good about our country again, at least for a while. So many smart, savvy conservative women out there!
I work in a university around 12 VERY liberal women every day. I’m the only office conservative, and it’s a challenge. I make my views heard when I feel like they are going off the deep end, but I’m the distinct minority here. Its good to hear that there are women who state their beliefs and don’t change them to fit the crowd around them.
LOL… Date one???
Sure, and have, she was even a vegetarian… the sex was great… and we had come to a live and let live agrement on our first date…
But then 9/11 happened, and I went and bought a new 45… and she FREAKED… even though I had 4 other guns in the house that she knew about, not to mention my sword collection (27 currently… all either sport fencing weps or live blades)…
Needless to say we were done…
It took my hubby to help me see the light. I never really held liberal points of view which my hubby very eloquently pointed out. It’s just that you voted Democrat no matter what in my family. Mind you, my family aren’t what you would call politically astute; however, that is of no consequence. Well, when I told my family that I am now a conservative, they tried to pretend as if it were going to change the way saw me but I cleared that matter up in a jiffy. Basically, I told them that I never really fully agreed with what Democrats have done or what they continue to do. And a few quick jabs at what Democrats are truly like, ended the discussion. They welcomed the black sheep back into the family. I jest.
Point is I could never be with a man who isn’t passionate about the same things I am passionate about. Grant it, my husband loves math and the mythbusters but I accept those things and love him nonetheless.
I hate math and mythbusters is tolerable. But we make it work!!
OTOH, conservative guys don’t seem to care much for educated women with careers, no matter how much they want small government and strong national defense, so I’m stuck with the moonbats.
I was never interested in dating for dating’s sake. That is, I have always felt that there is no point to dating unless there is a possibility of something real comin of it. For that reason I decided not to pursue realtionships with liberals or people of opposing religious beliefs.
Some people give me such a cold stare when I say that, but if a husband and wife are ideologically opposite they either always argue or one or both of them sacrifices their beliefs or strength of conviction. And what do they teach their children?
That doesn’t mean a conservative Christian and a liberal Jew could never have a happy marriage, I just think they would have to give up on some of their convictions to do so.
Of course, this is all moot for me since I am happily married to a Christian, conservative man. But, he was neither of those things when we met. My husband was raised in a liberal, the-environment-comes-first family. His mom is Catholic but his father is an atheist, so no strong religious beliefs were taught to him and his siblings.
When we started dating he was politically agnostic (he just didn’t want to think about it) and inactively seeking religious answers. But that changed fairly quickly. He wanted answers and he was open and pensive, he had just never pursued such things.
Looking back I think I would never date a satuchly liberal man, but my husband identified as liberal by default in college and I am happy that I didn’t write him off. However, I would not marry a liberal man - the morals are too different and I just don’t see how it could work.
I would not want to be with a lefty fella, nohow, no way.
I work with enough of them, thanks.
Would I? Could I? Date a liberal?
I would not date one, I would not!
I don’t like their values, I don’t smoke their pot.
I would not have one in my house, I would not have one for my spouse.
When they talk of peace and war, they scream and shout … it’s such a bore.
Then they speak of social ills and peace that binds and wars that kill. They shout with no logic, it’s only emotion. The strain of it all, leaves me devoid of devotion.
To stray as they do, I never could dare.
True love is ‘tween two, not something to share.
Their view of the earth and the life that is in it. It changes by day, by hour, by minute.
Their men must be sensitive, free of testicular fortitude. Their women are happy, when they protest in the nude?
You must be a victim you see, of something or another. Yet fear not socialist friends, there is salvation, it comes from big brother.
The basis of race, is for fear, not celebration. To be one of color, must be a life of tribulation.
There is no joy in Libville, it is bleak and bare. They like it that way, for it gives them grievances to air.
Their joy is in anger, in hate and despair. They separate and violate others, their misery to share.
When it comes to their faith, lack of belief in a God? While I enjoy the hereafter, they can lie in the sod.
Would I? Could I? Date a liberal?
Ummmmmm … NO!
(Sorry, but with the Would you, could you intro, you had to know this was coming!)
In some universe that says “staunchly liberal”… I think.
WarTip - Very impressive.
I dated a Joe Lieberman style liberal and that went very well in fact, she was old fashioned in a sense so it worked perfectly. As to heavier liberals…..yeah it just doesn’t work because you grimace nearly every other time they say something.
We have a rule regarding politics with my friends - as in, we don’t talk about them.
Some of my friends are rather liberal, including a one who simultaneously is liberal and thinks Bush is the anti-Christ. (I wish I was joking).
But I’ve been friends with these people for 11 years, and hope that the example my husband and I set will lead them out of the darkness of liberalism. I’d hate to end the friendship(s) over it.
I dated a couple of liberal girls in college. Since I was all about fornication, I liked dating them, since they were both sexually uninhibited (which was quite fun, to say the least).
But outside of the bedroom, they drove me nuts: whining, victimization, “me first” attitude, etc. Eventually, life outside of the bedroom trumped the fun within the bedroom, and the relationships ended. So, I figured that liberal girls were more fun to boink and less fun to date.
Once I hit the real world outside of college, liberal women were off my radar screen entirely.
Perhaps insecure conservative guys.
The conservative guys I know who have already married all looked for and were successful in finding women with professional backgrounds, from the arts to law.
I am probably screwed. I am a non-militant, animal activist (however, I do not lecture people at all, I don’t believe in arguing, just work to improve how we treat animals), care about the environment and believe in fair treatment of workers, everything else I am pretty conservative…fiscal responsibility, a deep faith in something larger, developing ones character and becoming a better person, and knowing there is evil out there. Lastly, I do not hate my country like so many leftists I know, I refuse to hate the country that has been so good and decent.
It’s hard for me, yes, go ahead and snicker if you want. The veg men are often way out there (often very leftists) not all but most. Men who are more mainstream, I don’t know, I am not that attracted to because I am very unique and so of course, I’d want a unique man. I’ve always attracted artist types of varying degrees. I would need a man who would at least respect my values in not wanting to participate in killing (ie eating meat) and who could refrain from juvenile snickering at my diet. If I love him enough, it’s OK he eats meat but he would need to respect my sensibilities.
I once had a lovely bf…artistic, sensitive, vegetarian, very good looking and was sensible, too! He had some hard times and then became a raving BDS sufferer, MM worshipper, became rude, inconsiderate, bitter, angry and irrational. It hurt me a lot but he had chosen his degeneration.
Maybe I’ll become a lesbian.
I am a conservative, but most of my girlfriends have been liberals because I am Jewish, dating within my religion is important to me, and most Jewish women are liberal.
Yet my current girlfriend, while a liberal, is “reasonable.” She is not a leftist. She even went with me to one Republican Jewish Coalition event about CAIR and was impressed.
Being romantically involved with a liberal is fine provided that the person is not a staunch activist.
I told her I would not give up red meat, and she respected that. I do not force her to give up broccoli.
Many liberals are intolerant. If both people are tolerant, the divide is less than one would think.
Respectfully,
eric aka the Tygrrrr Express
http://www.blacktygrrrr.wordpress.com
Well, I married a wonderful woman who claims to be a liberal, however, I feel she is more of a conservative Democrat. And she’d even admitted that were it not for the stereotypical “religious” aspect of conservatives (i.e., the whole abortion thing; doesn’t believe in it, would alomst never have one, but doesn’t think it should be criminalized)she could probably be one.
It’s actually good for me, she does make me think about my own views, and I have to sort some of the truth from the hype. We do agree on a lot, but agree to disagree on a lot as well.
She knows we can’t just up and leave Iraq, and while not liking guns personally, does support the 2nd Amendment, although she thinks there should be more restrictions on certain things. Oh, and would never vote for Obama!
Oh, and smart women are blazing hot.
Dumb women, no matter how pretty, wear thin very quickly.
Respectfully,
eric aka the Tygrrrr Express
What happens when you both start out socially liberal conservatives and one of you, after 20 years of marriage, succumbs to media-induced BDS?
That’s what happened to me. My spouse just laps up any crackpot idea the MSM or the Dems (but I repeat myself) dishes out.
She gets all her news from two places, the local very-lefty newspaper and NPR. I read / listen to them too, and also use the internet to get other views, but not exclusively conservative. I feel like my spouse has turned into a teenager.
#29
conservative men love educated women with careers…they don’t like mouthy know-it-alls who hold themselves in high regard for no reason whatsoever.
but really, it’s so ironic you’d write this on Michelle Malkin’s blog. the irony obviously escaping you.
…just sayin’
Would you, could you date a Lib?
Could you, would you, love me if I did?
Could you, would you, date on sly?
Would you, could you, hide the lie?
[Take it away folks!]
I couldn’t Date a Liberal in as much as the same reason I couldn’t date a Mountain Lion. I have always held a personal limitation, of dating only within my own species.
Well at least the Lion would enjoy eating a Steak dinner, and would have better personal hygene, compared to a Tufu-Veg, nonbathing liberal.
I believe you. I had a friend years ago that was convinced that Reagan was the anti-christ: Ronald Wilson Reagan. 666, get it?
I thought she was joking…but she wasn’t. I was sooo glad she moved away and I didn’t have to deal with her any more.
I could but two things would have to happen first.
1. Wife would have to agree. Not gonna happen.
2. Ann Coulter would have to become a liberal, want to date me and follow rule #1.
Simply put - nope, never.
If a woman isn’t into outdoor activity and some athletic type of sport or game then it doesn’t matter what her politics and religious beliefs are. The last type of woman you want to be stuck with IMHO is a home body with no athletic ability. Big time BORING as hell!
Luckily the woman in my life is into many of the winter sports (skiing, snowboarding, cross-country skiing, snowshoeing), hiking, mountain climbing, etc. She is finally starting to play golf and softball too. Hey, if your woman plays golf consider yourself among the most blessed of men in the world. Next area of interest to explore … her first NASCAR race in person. In trade I have to try skydiving this summer.
Also, Sean Hannity has a dating site called HanniDate where you can meet like minded conservatives.
My fiancee said she was a liberal. But as she’s finding out, and with my nonstop nudging, she’s more conservative than she thought. I suppose it depends on how liberal they were to begin with, as I’d never marry a vegan/vegetarian.
Note: Having them from liberal lala land, like Boulder, Berkley, Sad Fran, or Northern Va to a democratic hell city like NOLA, Bmore or Philly makes your argurments stronger.
WarTip, you should have that published. hats off.
I used to date liberal guys. Some characteristics that bely their “altruistic” brand:
1. Selfishness… relationships seem to always be about their wants and needs.
2. Casual sex… there’s more of an acceptance in one night stands and “casual arrangements” like living together or “friends with benefits.”
3. Commitment… is it just me (women of the blog), or do liberal guys seem to be more commitment/family phobic?
4. Honesty… a problem telling the truth.
5. Drugs… an overwhelming fascination with certain “mood-altering” drugs like marijuana. I dumped a college boyfriend over this issue.
6. Lack of morals/ethics/standards… if they’re not interested in
being “exclusive” they’ll have no trouble sharing their bodies with others.
Now, I’m married to a proud conservative male serving in the military. I would never date someone who didn’t share my same value system. Perhaps a libertarian or independent but a liberal? Being that I used to be a liberal and found the liberal men I dated over the years to be, for the most part, users, I would never go back.
I’m not sure many people outside of Philly will get that reference.
Hey guys…you should not assume vegans and vegetarians are liberal. Attitudes on the treatment of animals cuts across political lines.
I know this because I spent 4 months gathering signatures for an initiative to take out the worst abuses on factory farms. There were many conservatives who wanted to sign (and yes, they told me they were conservative or Republican) because they felt it was the right thing to do.
Further, there is that book Dominion, written by a conservative who feels our treatment of animals must improve.
Clearly, it really is NOT a liberal cause. The head of a local animal rights group calls himself Republican. I have met others who are PeTA members who are not liberal. So stop thinking that…it is a different issue!!!
Michelle asks:
What would Eliot Spitzer do?
#54, even if the person was a conservative in all other aspects, I still wouldn’t date a vegan. The heck if anyone’s oing to spoil my BBQs.
I dated a few liberals in my early years……total opposite of my upbringing.
I married an independent…..who was dependent on booze. (does that count?)
Divorced and now will ONLY date a person who is a true conservative in the moral/ethical sense.
Don’t have too many dates because I am extremely picky and can smell a fake a mile away!
Oh! I forgot to add - I’d date RUSH and Mark Levin, but I believe he (Mark) is a married man.
Oh well. LOL!
Yes, that has been my experience too. (Well, my observation anyway - I have actually only dated 2 guys.) This was actually a clue that my now husband was more conservative than he thought - he wanted marriage and kids and a dog, the whole nine yards.
I agree about the vegetarian part as I went vegetarian, lost 30 pounds in 30 days and had more energy. It was a choice not to eat meat and had little to do with politics.
I have found vegans to be of the liberal persuasion. Being a vegan is almost like being in a religion where animals have the same rights as humans and that is a liberal concept. They get quite anger about their vegan beliefs!
That being said, I would choose a conservative vegetarian over a liberal vegan any day.
Phobias exist on both sides from what I have experienced.
ah…i gave my hometown away. but the ‘le’ part makes it sound expensive, right?
i like meat, mostly in the form of sashimi, but i can put away a nice new york strip from time to time.
i decided to do a cleansing fast for 2 weeks. since i do all of the cooking in my house, i told my husband as a result of my fasting, he’d have to become a vegetarian for that time; i’d make him salad and soup. needless to say he was not going along with that plan. it’s been hard enough getting red meat out of our diet, let alone going without meat completely.
#59 said:
Way off subject, but does anyone know the origin of this expression?
I figure that there are approximately six conservative lesbians on the entire planet. So I really have no choice but to date liberal women.
I just try to ensure that they’re apolitical or at the very least, a moderate. But the first sight of a Melissa Etheridge CD and all bets are off.
In all honesty though, one of my fondest dating memories is that of a vegetarian hippie chick. A classic earth-mother type…extremely sweet and caring. But alas, our lifestyles were just too different to sustain a long-term relationship.
Just a suggestion–instead of Hannidate, we could have MalkinMatch.
BrianNY, way back when, a tailor would have to use 9sq yards to make a three piece suit. using anything less than 9sq yds meant that the tailor was skimping somewhere in the process therefore, for a good suit, you wanted the tailor to use the ‘whole 9 yards’
that’s what i learned…i could be wrong.
Thanks hooligan,
Someone recently told me that it was in reference to ammo belts being a standard “nine yards” on US bomber guns during WW II; so that if an enemy fighter flew in too close, you gave him “the full nine yards.”
#64 said:
LOL.
Years go before I became older and uglier, I went out with a woman that I had been dying to meet. You know the kind of person. You see them and instantly want to have some time with them. She agreed to go out and I told her what we were gong to do that evening. Dinner, stage play in the City, etc.
I told her all about the restaurant. The fact that it had the best steak in the state and was great. No problem for her. It was also very difficult to get a reservation, although I didn’t tell her that. We were just going in the door and she said “I hope this will be alright because I am a vegetarian. Do they have Dinner salads?” I asked and they only had small salads. She started her vegetarian rant and I suggested that she just go out on the lawn and graze while I ate real food. End of date. Thank heaven.
Long way of saying I would never date a liberal for any serious, long term relationship.
#69 said:
LOL!
What I’ve found as time has gone by is that a lot of people who think of themselves as liberal really aren’t.
Most young people fall prey at some time to the liberal peer pressure all around them but as they mature into responsible adults, they may retain on the surface the ideals that they were brainwashed with, the realities of work, taxes, marriage and children, they naturally change their inner mindset towards conservative principles.
Actually once they get started venting about the inequities of taxes, crime, education and social services its a lot easier to bring them out of the closet into the light of conservatism.
My wife was raised in the SF Bay area was a life long Democrat and as a young person would have even been considered a femenazi.
Now she is registered Republican and has voted conservative for some years.
She always did think we all should earn our own way, anybody can be a racist and now, collectivism sucks.
Like a lot of people she just needed to realize that she really didn’t identify with liberal ideology after all and a certain Republican didn’t have to be the enemy.
Laura, I’ve had a similar experience with a liberal sibling (a younger sister). She’s extremely liberal (pretty much a new age hippy), a vegan (just like her passive/weak-minded husband), selfish, and narcisistic. She put both my parents and myself through a lot of pain with her alcohol/drug abuse, promiscuity, and running away. She hasn’t really changed much except that now she’s a social worker in Philadelphia, expecting a baby, and married to another liberal.
It’s very awkward during the holidays. Since my sister and I are estranged and have no functioning, sisterly relationship, I try to avoid physical contact with her to the point that we do not talk. My husband hates visiting my parents because of her. There is no joy during the holidays with her around.
My sister was the first one who taught me to never trust a liberal (or be one). I control her access to my life which is fine by me because she has very little interest in me because: a)I’m married to a military member, b)she can’t use me anymore, and c)she’s sponging off of her in-laws just fine these days. She killed any love I had for her as a sister a long time ago, sad to say.
Let’s just say that Giselle Bunchen was unattached and available. Would it matter to any male on the planet what her political views are? I suspect that Giselle has no interest in politics but suppose that she did, would any male decide not to date Giselle because Giselle was in favor of a federal program for delinquent homeowners? I rest my case.
I would have no problem dating a conservative. Well, check that. I couldn’t date anyone who was uncomfortable with my gay friends or uncomfortable with alcohol or who wanted marriage right away. But teetotalers and homophobes are on both sides of the aisle.
Dating a vegetarian would be another thing entirely. I love cooking and limiting myself to a vegetarian menu isn’t going to happen. Ever. Excluding seafood because of my girlfriend’s roommate’s allergies is already a constant battle.
I don’t think that conservative and liberal values are really the issue. Young people tend to be more commitment phobic, more into recreational drug use, and more into casual relationships. That’s called being young, not being liberal.
My college’s College Republicans were renowned for their keggers and their leadership was known for extensive marijuana use and the personal dramas of which College Republican was sleeping with who. Sharon Soon wouldn’t date one of them either.
The other conservatives I’ve known had no problem with educated women. I suggest you look in the attitude mirror. I get the sense of a macho chick looking to be Swarzenagger with boobs instead of an educated woman looking for a lifetime mate. Just sayin’ …
I don’t date liberals. Or the stupid.
I’m a firm believer that Liberalism is a mental illness and I don’t believe a sane person can have a lasting relationship with someone who isn’t also mentally healthy.
I’d rather put a hot poker in my eye.
I certainly hope not. I was always destined to be a wife and mother and I knew it before I ever dated. Although I have consumed (and over-consumed on a couple of occasions) alcohol, I have never smoked or done drugs.
I would hope that people who fall into drugs and stuff grow out of it, but I seriously hope society isn’t in such a place that we associate youth with drugs and sex.
I would also argue that although such shenanigans are not necessarily limited to one party they are, in my experience, more prevalent among liberals. It is not an attack, it just makes sense considering the stated morals of liberals and conservatives.
Of course I could date a liberal! I went to college so everyone was a lib then, right? Anyway, I married one, and she’s slowly making the right turn. Having to live in mary-land will do that to you, I suppose. Progress is progress
I insist that any woman I date be at least reasonably intelligent. Anyone foolish enough to buy into the liberal mindset is automatically disqualified.
Life is too short.
If you’re into shallow, self absorbed, self important, needy, amoral, pseudo intellectuals who wear their ignorance like a badge of honor, go for it. Just remember, that is time you’ll never get back.
Liberal guys are wooses and wimps. Who needs one of those as a life partner.
#63, BrianNY:
Google is your friend.
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/the-whole-nine-yards.html
I dated a liberal. A bunch of them over the years. I even used to be a lefty myself. I grew up after watching Jimmah Carter. I still know quite a few liberals. They aren’t all brain dead, just miseducated and poorly raised in most instances.
Like Michelle, I married at 22, so this is all speculation. . .LOL
But, nope, I couldn’t date a liberal. It’s all about the values. Certain values are important to me and you have to be in agreement on them to make a long term relationship work.
I met my hubby at Bible College so we were pretty much in agreement on all the big things
Of COURSE, so long as he was handsome, and paying my way. Then again, if he’s a liberal, he’s not likely to pay my way, but he may be able to find a government program that would pay our way….or at least pay HIS way.
*sigh*
I better rethink this.
Hell no… Hippie chicks smell bad!
NO. Sort of like JAPs. Fun to look at and watch from afar, but not datable nor long term relationships.
Have I dated a liberal girl?
Yes, two dates. That was enough. As Sharon states above, there is a completely different values system at play. And it is unattractive.
In one word NEVER!!!!!
Actually, I do think ideology is an important predeterminate in a relationship. If people already fight over the small issues then they’ll fight over the big ones: religion and politics. You’re generalizing about proclivities of young people. Young people still get married, choose not to do drugs, choose not to treat relationships casually. That may be your choice… but to make that an overall character of a given generation… not so sure about that.
Ten years ago, in college, I fell in with the liberal ideology. It was peer pressure and a need to feel accepted. The only problem was, there were certain things I would not “accept,” given my personal experience:
1. Drug abuse
2. Alcohol abuse
3. Casual sex
Just to name a few. Rusty, I’m sure you know that life is about choices. One of the choices we make is which political ideology we favor. Liberals tend to favor unaccountable, irresponsible social behavior like drinking, drugging, and casual sex. Look at their policies… they do filter down into the public school classroom, then the college campus, into the pliant cerebrum of any youth who’s impressionable enough to buy into it.
Yes, I’ve known some hard-partying Republicans, but that kind of behavior wears off after a while when you have to get a job, don’t live with your parents, and have to support yourself. Just because something is the “in” thing doesn’t mean everyone participates.
I’ve also known people not so “young” engaging in recreational drug use, alcoholism, and casual sex. These behaviors aren’t really the mainstay of youth. One more point, many people get married young and don’t miss out on the sex, drugs, and alcohol that you think youth engage in. It gets old pretty fast, and it gets boring…. you either die young or you have great stories to tell once you’re grown up enough to accept that you once behaved like an idiot.
On March 31st, 2008 at 4:26 pm, vickisoup said: #87
ROFL
Self-correction… just in case anyone should get confused:
Last paragraph: don’t miss out on= don’t miss. I got a head trip there for a sec.
I turned my life-long Democrat guy to Conservatism and he proudly votes and thinks Republican all the way now.
Pretty good or what?
why would you date a lib? just buy a pet rock.
Dated this one liberal girl in college. Flash back to the summer of 1992. She and I were watching TV on the sofa together, when the visage of the man who would become The Worst Man To Ever Be President appeared on the screen. Pumping her fist, she shouted, “Yeah…BILL!”
I think it took about another 13 minutes to break up with her.
I’ve dated liberal women, but that was years ago. I don’t think I would today, if I was single; it would depend. There are liberal people out there who use logic and maturity, instead of rampant emotion. That is probably why Carville and Matalin get along. They respect each other’s opinions and don’t let it interfere with friendship/love. I know it’s rare to meet a liberal willing to use respect for other’s opinions, but I have met them. In fact, a best friend for years, was quite a liberal, but he knew how to discuss his point of view without emotion, and knew when to “turn it on” and “turn it off”. We argued our points for the love of debate; not the change each other’s mind. Scoring a point brought a laugh and a nod, not a stomping out the door. These days it seems they are a lot more emotionally involved and I think the reason is that they don’t really know what their stand/platform is. In other words, they aren’t educated in their opinions properly. They don’t know the consequences of their ideas, relying instead that if it “feels good”, it has to be right. So, they try to overwhelm and do all the talking (talking the trash). It makes for very poor debate.
I could never date or marry a liberal because I wouldn’t be able to respect their beliefs. How can you manage to have a good relationship without that kind of respect? And how would you raise the children? I just couldn’t imagine there could be a good family life with liberal lack of morals and standards.
#73
If she were a mute, absolutely! The first time she opened her mouth and uttered Liberal talking points, she’d be about as attractive as Harriet Myers… .
Of course I would date a liberal. I would consider it to be a sort of missionary work and who knows good things could come of it.
I could, depending on the liberal. Some of them are so intense in their beliefs that they feel that virtually every political event affects them personally. Bush vetoes some environmental bill that they like and they are depressed because it is a direct personal attack on them.
Other liberals may have their beliefs but they can take politics in stride. Their lives don’t revolve around politics, and they can agree to disagree on politics, and talk about other things, or even politics, but without the intensity of true believers.
HeatherRadish said:
Career or not, educated or not, a conservative guy is by definition a guy with conservative values, which means he wants to commit himself only to a woman who will make her family (defined by her husband and children, NOT her mother and dysfunctional co-relations) priority.
WarTip said:
Rusty said:
You do realize you just described Ann Coulter as your perfect match.
(She has gay friends and knocks back the occasional martini.) I’m sure you’ll be happy together. 
Awwwww, gimme a break, this is New York City…
Yeah I don’t agree with HeatherRadish. You must not have met the right person yet.
And I actually found it the other way when I was dating … the conservative men wanted to know what I thought about things and what dreams I had for my life. Those who’s leanings were left of center … they were more interested in other things.
But, I didn’t date a lot. So it’s not a fair representation of the whole.
Lame. I have gay family members, have a drink every night, and didn’t get married until 4 years after I met my husband.
However, my liberal mother thinks: my sister in law who is black is not worthy, is against gay anything, loves socialism, thinks Bush is an idiot.
Sound familiar? Liberal hypocrisy at best. Racist, homophobic, socialist. And that’s a liberal for you.
i must say, the people who i’ve found most comfortable with interracial relationships have been conservative-leaning…ironic, huh?
Not in my family…see #106. It’s my (liberal) mother who has a problem with my brother’s interracial marriage.
OOps…sorry, read that wrong. I thought you said least comfortable for some reason.
Skip that.
It’s funny, but my wife THINKS she’s liberal… but when discussing any specific topic she’s pretty much a moderate-conservative.
Myself, I have a “live and let live” attitude, as long as no one else is harmed do what you will. Just because I live by conservative values doesn’t mean I can force that on others… but if my wife wasn’t a closet moderate-conserveative I don’t think we could survive as a couple.
I have gay friends, and several of my wife’s friends are very liberal. The funny thing is they expect you to respect and hold as valid any opinion or position on any issue… but refuse to do the same for people who hold opinions and positions that are incompatible with theirs.
It’s a funny thing.
No way, libs are the scum of the Earth.
Yeesh, you conservatives are a no fun bunch. “I never would because I’m married and have principles and blah-blah-woof-woof…”
Lookee here, if it was Scarlett Johansson, Angelina Jolie, Jessica Alba or just about every hot starlet in Hollyweird who babbles the shibboleth’s of fascist liberal whatnot, I would ABSOTIVELY date them and have rough unmarried sex with them. Of course, we’d be doing it to the dulcet tones of Ted Nugent and afterwards, I’d call Sean Penn and Keith Olbermann to inform them what I’d done and with whom before slamming the phone down with maniacal laughter!
As for real life: heck, no. Why should I waste my Jedi love skills on some ungrateful babe who’d sooner see me thrown in a reeducation camp as look at me?
Just reading through the responses to this topic…
I find myself wondering what exactly qualifies someone to be classified as “liberal.”
Do people on here think that people who do not think that the Iraq War was worth it are considered “liberal?”
(According to a CBS poll dated May 3/15-17/08, then 64% of people who fit that profile)
Some people on here think that political ideology determines who smokes marijuana and who doesn’t.
And then there is the assumption that all liberals are vegetarian or all vegetarians are “liberals.” *sigh*
Is it not possible for people to be socially “conservative” and “liberal” on other issues? Or vice versa where people may subscribe to a “liberal” position on some issues, but not others?
Some people do object to being lumped into a particular category.
Anyway, regardless of the issues that politcal labels raise up…
I will say this: A lot of people who have commented here seem to think that those who subscribe to “conservative” values automatically protect people from divorce. Unfortunately, I do not think that is the case as divorce and/or separation happens to “conservatives” as well. And there are plenty of couples who may described as “liberal” who have been married for years and years.
Some allege that liberals want to sleep around and just do things for sex (bloghoolligan post in #12).
Others (such as emjem24 in post #52) say that “liberal” guys are not honest. So does emjem24 not think that “conservatives” can be dishonest or that “liberals” can be honest? She then go on to say that liberal guys have a “fascination” with drugs. Does emjem24 think that all “liberal” guys do drugs?
And yes, liberal guys can be chivalrous as well. Chivalry doesn’t know political party or ideology either.
But if you choose to date people based on political beliefs, that’s your choice. You’re free to do that.
I just find it interesting that people who have had bad experiences blame the persons political beliefs and draw conclusions and not the character of that person.
Not only could I, but I also married her.
And my life could not be any more filled with joy than it is.
Date a liberal? Like kissing a decomposed toad.
i’ve done it and needless to say failed at it. so i stick with moderate or conservative men.
Been with my wife since high school so I don’t have to think about this either. If someone was a liberal but a good person (and hot maybe) yeah I could muddle through, but I’d lean toward a more Libertarian mate otherwise because like Liberals I find some Conservative women so steeped in doctrinaire social connery that I’d imagine there’d be much yelling when I dropped by the strip club or “accidentally” opened up a window full ‘o porn while working.
On either extreme my feeling is you find humorless scolds, give moderation and good old fashioned classical liberalism in a woman and I’m there.
Being older than most on here, I couldn’t, wouldn’t, can’t, didn’t…maybe i should change my thinking, lonely old man here. NAWW! Have to be true to yourself.
DarkKnight said:
How about this:
If you think we should not have gone in because Bushitler is a Nero of an evil American Empire, then you are a lib.
If you think we should not have gone in because ultimately the whole thing will be run by government employees who are naturally screw-ups who should not be given too much power, you are a rightie.
If you think we should pull out because no blood for oil (you proclaim at the rallies you drive to), then you are a lib.
If you think we should pull out because those ungrateful sand-monkeys are not worth the sacrifice of one drop of American blood, and we should be drilling in ANWR anyway, then you are a rightie.
Besides, there are no hard set rules for what a lib or conservative is. But there are general guidelines for where you lie. (I test out as libertarian with conservative leanings.)
don’t give up hope yet..
my wife is a doctor and I’m not..
she worked part time after we had kids to be home with them and she still made more than me at my full time job..
I believe it had to do with a gun in WWII.. the ammo belt was 27 feet long..
so, it came about ‘Did you give it the whole nine yards?’ ..
an old co-worker told me.. and it sounds good.. dunno how accurate it is
A discussion on the origin of “the whole nine yards” can be found here.
I never thought of using a checklist while I was dating, yet I was still able to find someone special to share time with. Early in our relationship I asked my partner if she was a liberal. She said no, she was an entemologist! She thought some definitions in modern American politics were very limiting (some of you may find that liberal thinking). I liked the fact that I found a woman who was not afraid of bugs.
Depends on the liberal. I’m not the sort to try forcing my view on other people. I rarely talk politics even with my friends. Even when I know they share my political views. Were I to meet a liberal woman who had a similar inclination to keep her views to herself, I could see dating her.
I would, and am. We see differently on almost every political subject, but who cares. The only thing that matters is if we make each other happy.
I just got done dating a liberal. No way never again. On our first three or four dates, each and every time she said “You know there are too many people in the world and not enough food” and I just stewed whenever she said that. So the last time we dated, I finally said “Well don’t you think it’s more that the dictators are withhold food from the people?” She was like “Well I guess you could be right.” UGH double UGH!!! NEVER AGAIN!
Regarding “the whole nine yards:”
Thanks to #66, #84, #121 and #122.
A recent study (google it for yourself on this dark day) showed that man married to feminists were happier and got more sex. The Feminine Mystique ho! (the last word in the pirate sense, not the hop hop sense).
Three men were talking about how often they had sex..
the first, newlywed, said about 3-4 times a week..
The second, married for about 5 years said 3-4 times a month..
the third, excitedly jumping up and down exclaimed, “Once a year!”
the others were puzzled, and the n