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		<title>By: April, 2008 Archive &#171; Right Minded Online</title>
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		<dc:creator>April, 2008 Archive &#171; Right Minded Online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 23:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Malkin has more.     Posted by Mark A. Rose   at 4:08 PM   0 comments               Links to this post    Labels: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Prime Director</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/04/01/demon-art-pass-christian-art-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-281480</link>
		<dc:creator>Prime Director</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 07:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Freedom of religion has two parts:  &lt;em&gt;the Establishment Clause&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;the Free Exercise Clause&lt;/em&gt;.

Secular progressives only seem to be aware of &lt;em&gt;the Establishment Clause&lt;/em&gt;.

Imagine the nerve of that teacher, actually demanding that his students sign away their right to the free exercise of religious expression!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freedom of religion has two parts:  <em>the Establishment Clause</em> and <em>the Free Exercise Clause</em>.</p>
<p>Secular progressives only seem to be aware of <em>the Establishment Clause</em>.</p>
<p>Imagine the nerve of that teacher, actually demanding that his students sign away their right to the free exercise of religious expression!</p>
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		<title>By: Straight_Talk_Luigi</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/04/01/demon-art-pass-christian-art-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-281407</link>
		<dc:creator>Straight_Talk_Luigi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 01:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I guess there&#039;s not really much else I can add. It doesn&#039;t surprise me that all the liberal posters on here are no doubt in their bunker since it involves a free speech attack on Christianity. 

But boy oh boy if it were paganism or Islam, they&#039;d be out here a hootin&#039; and a hollerin!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I guess there&#8217;s not really much else I can add. It doesn&#8217;t surprise me that all the liberal posters on here are no doubt in their bunker since it involves a free speech attack on Christianity. </p>
<p>But boy oh boy if it were paganism or Islam, they&#8217;d be out here a hootin&#8217; and a hollerin!</p>
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		<title>By: Demon art? Pass. Christian art? Fail! &#171; Sola Dei Gloria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Demon art? Pass. Christian art? Fail! &#171; Sola Dei Gloria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 06:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] From News For Christians, and originally posted at michellemalkin.com [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ordinary Coloradan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ordinary Coloradan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I were them, I woudl want that teacher fired and their teaching certificate pulled as terms of settlement.  Someone with fascist tendencies should not be allowed to teach our children.

Yet another example of Liberal Fascism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I were them, I woudl want that teacher fired and their teaching certificate pulled as terms of settlement.  Someone with fascist tendencies should not be allowed to teach our children.</p>
<p>Yet another example of Liberal Fascism.</p>
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		<title>By: md1964</title>
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		<dc:creator>md1964</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woudn&#039;t it be wonderful if their was a document that was established for the country that granted the freedom OF religion and protected that right for even Christians to the fullest???

You know, something like let&#039;s say the US Constitution..and that right was considered so important that it was put in the very First Amendment to that Constitution.   

Evidently I dreamed that existed, and  I must have been mistaken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woudn&#8217;t it be wonderful if their was a document that was established for the country that granted the freedom OF religion and protected that right for even Christians to the fullest???</p>
<p>You know, something like let&#8217;s say the US Constitution..and that right was considered so important that it was put in the very First Amendment to that Constitution.   </p>
<p>Evidently I dreamed that existed, and  I must have been mistaken.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Dawson (archonix)</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/04/01/demon-art-pass-christian-art-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-277763</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Dawson (archonix)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually I&#039;d say they are. The middle one superficially looks very detailed and skillful but if you actually look at it in detail you&#039;ll see that it&#039;s pretty crap. Frankly. There&#039;s a lot of bad lighting, outlines where there shouldn&#039;t be outlines, no real understanding of solidity and depth or anything like that. It&#039;s pretty obviously copied from an illustration of some sort. The bottom one is good, sure, in terms of composition and skill but, again, it&#039;s not particularly &lt;i&gt;adventurous&lt;/i&gt;. An art teacher worth his salt would have considered these things in grading the pieces.

The thing is, in terms of content it&#039;s not really fair to judge these pieces together. The first image is surrealist and stylised. It&#039;s not a classical composition, it&#039;s designed to provoke reactions rather than be &quot;pleasing&quot; to look at. In that sense it&#039;s very much a post-modern artwork rather than traditionalist fine art, far moreso than the other two, which lack that creative flair.

If it hadn&#039;t been for the cross I can bet you the art teacher would have given it a higher grade than either of the other two pieces, simply for the &quot;adventurous&quot; composition. Replace the cross with a pentacle or a crescent and star and it would have been in danger of becoming a new Pollock from all the drool...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I&#8217;d say they are. The middle one superficially looks very detailed and skillful but if you actually look at it in detail you&#8217;ll see that it&#8217;s pretty crap. Frankly. There&#8217;s a lot of bad lighting, outlines where there shouldn&#8217;t be outlines, no real understanding of solidity and depth or anything like that. It&#8217;s pretty obviously copied from an illustration of some sort. The bottom one is good, sure, in terms of composition and skill but, again, it&#8217;s not particularly <i>adventurous</i>. An art teacher worth his salt would have considered these things in grading the pieces.</p>
<p>The thing is, in terms of content it&#8217;s not really fair to judge these pieces together. The first image is surrealist and stylised. It&#8217;s not a classical composition, it&#8217;s designed to provoke reactions rather than be &#8220;pleasing&#8221; to look at. In that sense it&#8217;s very much a post-modern artwork rather than traditionalist fine art, far moreso than the other two, which lack that creative flair.</p>
<p>If it hadn&#8217;t been for the cross I can bet you the art teacher would have given it a higher grade than either of the other two pieces, simply for the &#8220;adventurous&#8221; composition. Replace the cross with a pentacle or a crescent and star and it would have been in danger of becoming a new Pollock from all the drool&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Regulus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regulus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; On April 1st, 2008 at 5:25 pm, JHSII said:

...

I’m still trying to find Freedom From Religion in my copy of the Constitution.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You beat me to it.  But I&#039;m sure you&#039;ll find the provision you seek right next to the one establishing the (liberals&#039;) right not to be &quot;offended&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> On April 1st, 2008 at 5:25 pm, JHSII said:</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>I’m still trying to find Freedom From Religion in my copy of the Constitution.</p></blockquote>
<p>You beat me to it.  But I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll find the provision you seek right next to the one establishing the (liberals&#8217;) right not to be &#8220;offended&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Religious Freedom Doesnt Just Mean Freedom FROM Religion, Douche... - Political Fever - The Political Debate Forums</title>
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		<dc:creator>Religious Freedom Doesnt Just Mean Freedom FROM Religion, Douche... - Political Fever - The Political Debate Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] nation was founded, and anathema to a free society.  Not to mention that the other students were drawing ****ing demons. Keeping in mind that demons are a construct of the Christian faith, that image is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] nation was founded, and anathema to a free society.  Not to mention that the other students were drawing ****ing demons. Keeping in mind that demons are a construct of the Christian faith, that image is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Neocon News » Freedom of Expression, what&#8217;s that?</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/04/01/demon-art-pass-christian-art-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-277659</link>
		<dc:creator>Neocon News » Freedom of Expression, what&#8217;s that?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Michelle Malkin) No crosses, you damned religious extremist&#8230; er, art student. MADISON, Wis. — Alliance [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Reformed Hippie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reformed Hippie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Freedom of Religion or Freedom from Religion?...&lt;/strong&gt;

A Tomah High School student has filed a federal lawsuit alleging his art teacher censored his drawing because it featured a cross and a biblical reference. His teacher, Julie Millin, asked him to remove the reference to the Bible, saying students were ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Freedom of Religion or Freedom from Religion?&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>A Tomah High School student has filed a federal lawsuit alleging his art teacher censored his drawing because it featured a cross and a biblical reference. His teacher, Julie Millin, asked him to remove the reference to the Bible, saying students were &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Yashmak</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/04/01/demon-art-pass-christian-art-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-277570</link>
		<dc:creator>Yashmak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;The point is not weather the example a is as good as b or c , the point is he failed because of what he drew, whereas the other two examples depicting devious charters were acceptable.&quot;&lt;/em&gt; - ciceroskip

That, I can agree with.  I just take issue with the &#039;similar quality&#039; comment . .because they&#039;re not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;The point is not weather the example a is as good as b or c , the point is he failed because of what he drew, whereas the other two examples depicting devious charters were acceptable.&#8221;</em> &#8211; ciceroskip</p>
<p>That, I can agree with.  I just take issue with the &#8217;similar quality&#8217; comment . .because they&#8217;re not.</p>
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		<title>By: misterbee241</title>
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		<dc:creator>misterbee241</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Without God, all things are permissible. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
This is true.  Here&#039;s what the Apostle Paul had to say about it:
&lt;blockquote&gt;All things are lawful for me, but all things are not helpful. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.(1st Corinthians 6:12 NKJV)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The NIV says this, which I really like:
&lt;blockquote&gt;“Everything is permissible for me”–but not everything is beneficial. “Everything is permissible for me”–but I will not be mastered by anything.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Without God, all things are permissible. </p></blockquote>
<p>This is true.  Here&#8217;s what the Apostle Paul had to say about it:</p>
<blockquote><p>All things are lawful for me, but all things are not helpful. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.(1st Corinthians 6:12 NKJV)</p></blockquote>
<p>The NIV says this, which I really like:</p>
<blockquote><p>“Everything is permissible for me”–but not everything is beneficial. “Everything is permissible for me”–but I will not be mastered by anything.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: gunslingerpatriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>gunslingerpatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Folks read the article again.

The kid didn&#039;t fail for what he drew, but because he refused to put a border around the Christian (religous aspect) of his drawing.  &lt;em&gt;For you trolls, we call this viewpoint discrimination&lt;/em&gt; since the church of satan has simuliar images in their literature (drawings b and c).

GSP 
PS I used to be a member of the new age, and tm and those satanic images looked very simuliar to what I was reading and studying in the late &#039;80&#039;s/early 90&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks read the article again.</p>
<p>The kid didn&#8217;t fail for what he drew, but because he refused to put a border around the Christian (religous aspect) of his drawing.  <em>For you trolls, we call this viewpoint discrimination</em> since the church of satan has simuliar images in their literature (drawings b and c).</p>
<p>GSP<br />
PS I used to be a member of the new age, and tm and those satanic images looked very simuliar to what I was reading and studying in the late &#8217;80&#8217;s/early 90&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Dawson (archonix)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham Dawson (archonix)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking as someone who came through the &quot;media&quot; side of university education I can say that, if you took away the cross and the scripture reference, this particular piece would be getting plaudits left right and centre for its content. Never mind the technical skill (which is actually higher than some of you are giving credit, particularly in the subtle use of shading on the mountains), the &lt;i&gt;content&lt;/i&gt; is what matters to these people.

Here&#039;s the sort of thing they&#039;d say, were the cross not there:


&lt;blockquote&gt;
It’s a very interesting surreal landscape with numerous “barriers” across the page. The clouds, the mountains, the boundaries of the sea rolling against the beach speak of a deep understanding of the boundaries of change and discrimination found throughout life. 

The clouds and the sea might represent birth, as life sprang from the depths. Moving across the page we experience various stages of life, with barriers to be surmounted; the transition from the clouds to the sea, from the sea to the land and from there to the mountains, with the stark boundary cut across our path that marks a turning point in life. Do we follow the boundary, the road over the horizon, or do we continue across the page? The mountains, the final visible barrier, are all that awaits us to the right, but the path leads off into the black infinity. Is it oblivion or something to be explored? The path is that of the rebel, the one who doesn&#039;t accept life as society sees it and chooses to cut across that life, to strike out into new territory. It is the freedom fighter, the humanist, the progressive, the contrary life.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s the sort of thing they&#039;d say... if the cross wasn&#039;t there, if they weren&#039;t prevented from assessing the content through their own world view by the presence of a christian symbol completely altering the contextual meaning of the content. But with the cross there it&#039;s &quot;ooo yuck christian get it away!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking as someone who came through the &#8220;media&#8221; side of university education I can say that, if you took away the cross and the scripture reference, this particular piece would be getting plaudits left right and centre for its content. Never mind the technical skill (which is actually higher than some of you are giving credit, particularly in the subtle use of shading on the mountains), the <i>content</i> is what matters to these people.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the sort of thing they&#8217;d say, were the cross not there:</p>
<blockquote><p>
It’s a very interesting surreal landscape with numerous “barriers” across the page. The clouds, the mountains, the boundaries of the sea rolling against the beach speak of a deep understanding of the boundaries of change and discrimination found throughout life. </p>
<p>The clouds and the sea might represent birth, as life sprang from the depths. Moving across the page we experience various stages of life, with barriers to be surmounted; the transition from the clouds to the sea, from the sea to the land and from there to the mountains, with the stark boundary cut across our path that marks a turning point in life. Do we follow the boundary, the road over the horizon, or do we continue across the page? The mountains, the final visible barrier, are all that awaits us to the right, but the path leads off into the black infinity. Is it oblivion or something to be explored? The path is that of the rebel, the one who doesn&#8217;t accept life as society sees it and chooses to cut across that life, to strike out into new territory. It is the freedom fighter, the humanist, the progressive, the contrary life.
</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s the sort of thing they&#8217;d say&#8230; if the cross wasn&#8217;t there, if they weren&#8217;t prevented from assessing the content through their own world view by the presence of a christian symbol completely altering the contextual meaning of the content. But with the cross there it&#8217;s &#8220;ooo yuck christian get it away!&#8221;</p>
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