Not a joke: Saudi father murders daughter for using Facebook
In Afghanistan, it’s dancing on TV. In Saudi Arabia, the new forbidden thing is Facebook. Add it to the long, endless list of stuff Muslims don’t like. Yeah, I wish I were kidding you:
A young Saudi Arabian woman was murdered by her father for chatting on the social network site Facebook, it has emerged.
The unnamed woman from Riyadh was beaten and shot after she was discovered in the middle of an online conversation with a man, the al-Arabiya website reported.
The case was reported on a Saudi Arabian news site as an example of the “strife” the social networking site is causing in the Islamic nation.
Saudi preacher Ali al-Maliki has emerged as the leading critic of Facebook, claiming the network is corrupting the youth of the nation.“Facebook is a door to lust and young women and men are spending more on their mobile phones and the Internet than they are spending on food,” he said.
The woman was murdered in August but her death was highlighted following Maliki’s comments. Social customs and religious rules oblige women in Saudi Arabia to cover their head and figure with a veil so that men are not distracted by the female form.
Critics also allege that Facebook is an avenue for the promotion of homosexual relations in Saudi Arabia. More than 6,500 people have signed the online petition in a bid to stop the conservative Muslim kingdom following Syria in banning access to the network from local internet servers.
There are estimated to be more than 30,000 Facebook users in the oil-rich kingdom. Many Saudi women use nicknames and post comic images or drawings on their pages instead of photographs. Some Saudi bloggers have dubbed the network “Faceless”.
That’s soon to be “Headless,” if the Religion of Perpetual Outrage prevails.
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Flashback: A Saudi woman in America posted her real photo on Facebook a few years ago and stirred up a storm.
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But I thought Islam was a religion that treated women greatly! Catholicism is far worse because they won’t let women be priests, dont’cha know?
As the other thread said, it’s a religion stuck in the 7th century. I’d bet you five bucks the second al-Qaeda learns how to use Facebook to recruit jihadists, it will be a “tool.”
So do the terrorists. How do they get messages to the world? The Internet. And haven’t cell phones been used in the past to trigger car bombs? See my above point. Apparently, it’s okay to use things typically considered haram so long as it furthers jihad, right?
One more time: lan astaslem.
I will NOT submit. I will NOT surrender.
I am so getting that tattooed somewhere on my body.
The Saudis are our allies in the war on terror. They don’t do things like that. Only Saddam — oops, he was secular!
lgm,
I really don’t know what makes you tick. Is it your dislike for everything Christian, conservative and your favorite - right wing?
How is this story anything but a tragedy?
One would think that since the left decries tolerance and freedom of this or that, that you be irate that these things are still occurring in the 21st century. Instead, you manage to find a way to throw Pres. Bush and America under the bus.
I guess you are right, the biggest threat is Christianity. You just keep believing in that…
Oh, the self-righteous irony!
And by all means, wipe the smirk from your face. No one here thinks Saudi Arabia is some short of shining example of how the Middle East should be. That’s something you’ve managed to conjure up in your pea brain.
EQ - I concur.
AHHHHHH, the id10t lgm (a.k.a. magnificent OZ) has spoken. So, a young girl is killed over going to a web site and this is how you show your outrage?
Tell us oh, magnificent one, who are our enemies - I mean besides Bush and his administration – you know – Americans.
cavemen
lgm is a terrorist tool. pun intended.
The Bible is pretty clear on this: getting a tattoo is a sin. The New Testament equates it (and ear piercing!) to defiling a church.
And no one (at least I hope no one) is saying that Islam is better towards women than Catholicism. If people are making that argument, then I really don’t know what to tell them.
Catholicism’s attitude towards women is nothing to be proud of. Islam is exponentially worse.
cRusty,
The moral relativist.
Free will. That young lady was not free to live her life as she saw fit. She died because she surfed the web. No outrage from you though… Tis better to ignore the truth about the threat than it is to face it head on.
There is one important difference between Catholicism and Islam. Catholicism is voluntary. In Islam they may kill you for leaving.
AHHHHHH part 2.
Rusty, the pro-choice pro-gay troll, is preaching the evils of a tattoo.
AHHHAAAHHHAHAHAHAHAAA
Excellent point, Soap.
When I see women in this country wearing the headgear, I can’t help but wonder why anyone would activly chosse to live like that.
Thanks 30. You have been on top of things as well. Your posts have been spot on!
Thanks Soap.
For all the good feminism has done, they have done a great disservice to the women of the world and Muslim women in particular because they have left them behind. And NO ONE TALKS ABOUT IT.
For some reason, Muslim nations get a pass because it’s part of their religion.
#9 said:
But it certainly fairs better than many other segments of contemporary society: including hip-hop, most indigenous cultures, an alarmingly large segment of the American-Indian community today, orthodox and hasidic Judaism, amongst others.
In fact, Catholicism probably tops all aforementioned regarding fair treatment of women; unless, of course, you have a really zealous attitude regarding…tattoos?
The Bible is just as clear on tattoos and ear piercings as it is on homosexuality. People pick and choose what parts of the Bible to adhere to.
And I could care less if people get tattoos or piercings.
30, of course I am outraged by this murder. The way women are treated in many Islamic societies is barbaric and unacceptable. I was just making a comment about tattoos and how people treat them differently than any of the other sins in Leviticus or Paul’s Letters.
Because they want to show respect to their Lord. Just like Jews wearing yarmukles and just like nuns in Chrisitan churches.
People do talk about it. Have you read the site Feministing? I am guessing most people here would hate it. They spend a lot of time writing about global feminist causes.
and what happens to them if they want to take a different approach? they have no choice rusty.
Guys, I’m begging you -
Don’t feed the trolls. Please.
They are making a mockery of this tragic story. Ignore them.
30 pcs of silver & On-my-soap-box:
Do not waste time with Troll #2.
Go to his website and read his posting about his bowel movement in a park, the location of which he pointed to on a GPS map which he so thoughtfully provided.
As far as I am aware, up to this time, this Troll has not apologized for this action of his, nor acknowledged the wrongness and stupidity of it.
You can’t take anything this pre-adolescent clown says seriously.
Again, do not waste time, effort, oxygen, life, etc. trying to have a serious discussion with this Troll.
In keeping with that sentiment, I am going to ignore the pseudo-religious debate the inevitably happens on these types threads.
Does anyone know if there’s a Facebook group for her yet? I’d be happy to add that to my list.
Muslims in this country do have a choice. The quote you used was referring to Muslim women in this country.
Obviously any society that forces religion on a people is horribly flawed. Whether it’s relatively minor issues like prayer in schools, or whoppers like women being forced into burqas.
I don’t want people to get the idea that I approve of fundamentalist Islam or countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia. People who use murder to enforce their beliefs or treat women in such a way are evil. There are no ifs, ands, or buts about it. And there is no moral equivalence.
What Granite said. Don’t even bother with lgm. Or Rusty. Or Sausage.
Yes, Saddam’s secularism, excellent point, lgm. Certainly, this same secularism, and his love of the rights of women, is what led him to behead over 200 prostitutes in the streets in broad daylight in the years before the war. But I can’t imagine that would have been in response to islamic morality, or his desire to court islamic support before the war. No, my goodness, not at all.
Go fly a kite. Have a sense of humor. It happens to the best of us.
That’s a great idea. If it’s presented in a non-partisan way, I’d love to join.
That’s baloney as well.
For all of their self righteousness, liberals are nothing but self centered spoiled brats. They embrace islam because they know it will anger “the establishment”. Just like the girl who dates the guy from the wrong side of the tracks because daddy won’t approve.
They play this game knowing the U.S. military will be there to protect them.
BTW, whatever happened to feebiebabe?
It is, and they have. It’s sick.
Well, Rusty, we are all sinners and fall short of the glory of God.
Folks, check out the clown Troll’s comment:
“It happens to the best of us.”
I doubt that even the WORST of us would publicly document having a bowel movement, and then point to its location on a GPS map.
The two best books I’ve read on Saudi Arabia are “Inside The Mirage: America’s Fragile Partnership with Saudi Arabia” by Thomas W. Lippman and “Saudi Arabia Exposed: Inside a Kingdom in Crisis” by John R. Bradley.
“Inside the Mirage” walks you through the Saudi-American relationship via the stories of Americans who worked there since the 1930s. You will be enraged to discover how much we built up Saudi Arabia only to receive such murderous treachery in return. “Saudi Arabia Exposed” is a walk through current Saudi Arabia.
Both books are very readable, not the academic texts that put you to sleep, and you will learn a lot.
granite,
I am not trying to have a discussion with him. I am poking fun at him. I have been to his site. He is a joke and deserves to be laughed at.
The only thing more annoying than troll posts is the inevitable call to “don’t feed the trolls.” If you have better points, make them.
granite.
Thanks for the reminder. I completely forgot about that.
And choosing to be Muslim is beyond my comprehension.
Judging from how that backwards culture forces its women to hide their feminine assets behind multi-layers of bed linens,they can hardly blame Facebook for that.
This would be amusing if it didn’t have the potential to give some Saudi Dad ideas on how to discipline his daughter.
I hope they succeed; the last thing the Arab world needs is to further isolate itself from civilization.
Rusty’s post about dropping a deuce in the park was hilarious. Like people on here haven’t had embarrassing stuff happen to them after a night of boozing. Lighten up.
CC,
Feebiebabe started a new job and is planning a wedding. So, let’s just say she is well busy.
30,
Careful hon. cRusty studied the Bible for two years and is an expert (while you have only lived it).
Soap,
good to know. Rusty, be gentle…
Wow, big congrats to Feebs! Hope she comes back from time to time.
30 & CC,
She and Bear1909 are taking a break from the site. They get overly frustraated at the liberty the trolls are given here. Feebz did get the new job but not a wedding.
#40,
We just have enough class not to share our inappropriate experiences with others.
Its called decorum. Look it up.
Your ignorance of Christianity, Biblical teaching, and the like shines through in that comment, Rusty.
First - tattoos and body piercings. The Church teaching does not forbid them, nor is there Biblical basis for this - the NT passage you cite is referencing an earlier OT passage. In context, the passage immediately preceding the one you reference deals with the OT prohibition on cutting hair and/or beards. That, as we know, is not forbidden in Christianity.
I am *extremely* proud of how Catholicism treats me as a woman. Nothing in the teachings makes me a second-class citizen, or blames me for being attacked by a man, or allows my father/brother/uncle/male cousin to murder/beat me for crime of being adulterous, or the like.
If you disagree, how do you reconcile the Church’s reverence of Mary, the slew of female saints, and the women who are Doctors of the Church?
Just because the Church doesn’t buy into feminist hooey - but teaches women should be, in fact, women and embrace it their *genuine* femininity - doesn’t mean it treats women poorly. Quite the opposite, in fact.
Men and women were created in the image of God and to be equal but complimentary to one another - meaning their strengths, weaknesses, likes and dislikes would be different.
But both are accountable for their actions, men are *not* permitted to abuse women, and women are *not* considered property.
Granted, different Christian sects will treat that differently because they have different interpretations of the Bible. In the Catholic Church, you get dissenters - both conservative and liberal - who stray from official Church teaching, which I have explained here.
But there is *nothing* in Catholicism’s treatment of women that is shameful.
And yes - I’ve had people argue that since the Church won’t ordain women it’s just as abusive and oppressive as Islam and only a heartbeat away from condoning honor killings and burquas. I’ve had women (feminists) equate the mantilla with the burqua.
I’m always more than willing to discuss tthings with you, Rusty, but please have a better grasp of Catholic teaching before you argue points so erroneously.
The world needs to get a clue, it’s the ideology stupid!
Lat time I heard from her she was becoming a Nun.
#46 Concerned Citizen:
Exactly….
Back to topic:
On April 1st, 2008 at 10:23 am, StacyH said:
“For some reason, Muslim nations get a pass because it’s part of their religion.”
Yep.
Apass from the same folks who ridicule, or even condemn the influence of, religious faith, teachings, and values here in the U.S.
What hypocrites…I can almost see the neon sign they wear, that flashes “HYPOCRITE”.
The Muslim nations get a pass because they hate us.
And, since the socialists/secularists also hate us (and, of course, hate themselves), it seems simply to be an alliance of convenience (that will be temporary, as the socialists/secularists will find out!), based on the old, simpliostic thinking of, “The enemy of my enemy is my friend”.
Soap, what, what happened to the wedding?
30,
Click my link and send me an email. I will pass your concerns to Feebz and she can fill you in if she likes! Just not going to share her life here but, she is free!!!
Islamists have been accused of using Facebook to spread anti-Semitism. Does this mean they will have to find another outlet, or is Facebook in fact a double-edged sword?
I know most Christian churches no longer ban piercings or tattoos despite what the Bible says. It’s the picking and choosing that bothers me. Homosexuality is dealt with in the same book as tattoos and shellfish and clothing materials yet that’s still considered a sin by many Christian churches. Lobster, not so much.
The double standard is indefensible. Especially when, as I noted earlier, the Bible is clearer on tattoos than it is on gays.
And Granite, something embarrassing happened to me. I can either be privately embarrassed or have people laugh with and at me. If you can’t laugh at your mistakes then what can you laugh at?
And be glad I didn’t take a picture with my cell phone.
Soap,
No problem, wouldn’t expect you to.
That’s a crock. He posted it on his personal website, not on here. In order to see it, one had to go looking for it.
It’s called context. Look it up.
Rusty,
You do know that this thread isn’t about Catholicism or Christianity, correct?
Here’s a question for you: so what if Christians (Catholics) took everything in the Bible word-for-word literally? Would you not care then? Would you take the OT passages that deal harshly with things along with the new so long as things were “consistent”?
Sexuality deals more deeply with creation and the nature of mankind than tattoos or piercings - which is why the Church teaching on homosexuality is different from the teaching on tattoos.
The Church has taught that same-sex attracion (SSA) or “being gay” in and of itself is no more a sin than being heterosexual. However, the Church has *always* taught that the sexual acts are what could be sinful and that intercourse is reserved for marriage and should *always* be open to the possibility of creating life (which homosexuality cannot do).
There are considerations one should make before getting a tattoo or a piercing. You can read that here.
Otherwise, I would prefer to continue this discussion in e-mail, since it’s way off topic.
No - so long as anything is used to further jihad, things otherwise considered haram are perfectly fine.
I am praying to God not allah, for the day that we stop pretending the Saudis are our friends and allies.
We all agree killing someone over Facebook use is bad. But what should we do about it?
(C) Huff and puff and condemn Muslims.
(N) Bring pressure on Saudi Arabia to prosecute the killer. This is what US feminists and human rights organizations are doing. The Bush administration does not cooperate with those efforts because they want to keep Saudi Arabia as an ally.
((C) is for conservative, (N) is for normal)
And sex in the oval office with an intern was just a private matter. He linked his personal website, so it’s not like a lot of looking is required.
Character, integrity, decorum. You won’t look them up because the purpose is lost on you as long as you’re amused.
Go watch Teletubbies. You won’t be taken seriously wearing a clown suit.
As usual, cRusty is wrong - AGAIN:
Leviticus 19:28 (New American Standard Bible)
You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves: I am the LORD.
Leviticus 19:28 (King James Version)
Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.
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1 Corinthians 6:9 (New International Version)
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
1 Corinthians 6:9 (King James Version)
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind
But why read the Bible when we have cRusty to keep us informed.
And then you scratch your head and wonder why no one here takes you seriously.
I agree the government should be pressured, but I’d love to see how feminists and the like - who normally bend over backward to either excuse or ignore stuff like this on a daily basis - are doing what you claim.
But you cannot deny that this is directly related to the ideologies of Islam - you know, the ones conservatives have been warning about for at least the past seven years.
Watch “Finta”, read up on the Koran and you’ll see that treating women and girls as possessions, property and forcibly inforcing such teachings is condoned and applauded in Islamic teaching.
And we’re not supposed to point that out?
Oh - that’s right, it’s politically incorrect and if we just ignore it, it’ll go away.
(L) Pretend like we have all the answers to every question
(L) Ignore the threat and jump all over the people wish to eradicate the problem
(L) Be a liberal
(L) is for Loser and Liberal
#61 Concerned Citizen:
Exactly correct.
It was not on a personal computer, in a room, in a home.
It was on a website.
A website is a public place.
63 englishqueen01:
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#64 30 pcs of silver:
Good posts.
As if bringing pressure on Saudi Arabia is going to do anything.
More worthless, U.N.-type blather: “I really mean it this time! You’d better listen to me this time! Because, if you don’t, I’m going to tell you again that I really mean it, and that you’d better listen to me!”
If the stakes in our domestic culture war, and in the global struggle against the Muslim barbarians, were not so existentially high; we would just have to laugh uncontrollably at the buffoon relief which the Trolls provide us.
#60 said:
You forgot:
(BC) Excuse Saudi Arabia, not for reasons of national security or human rights, but rather to protect the millions of dollars of Saudi contributions to one’s presidential library and global initiative fund.
(BC) is for Bill Clinton.
Hey 30,soap, and aj..I see you’re all having a good day. Have at it, I’m with you…
One thing I cannot understand is why we kowtow to the Saudis. I spent 6 months (the worst 6 months of my life) there and was absolutely miserable. Both political parties are their best friends. If we would drill in anwar (sp?) and off the gulf we wouldn’t need them or their stinking oil.
I never hear the femanazis say anything about women in Muslim countries. I don’t care what the trolls say and sorry Rusty you’re an anti-Catholic but why am I surprised.
You are willing to criticize Bush over illegal immigration but not this. What’s the difference. If America stood on principle, we would not ally ourselves with a country that condones murder in this way.
Organizations that attempt to pressure Saudi Arabia: NOW, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch. Conservatives here condemn all three.
twiggman,
where ya been?
Let me fix this for you. You, oh wise one, have yet to stand by the leader of your country (America - which you have said before is NOT a country). So, none of us (with the exception of your fellow trolls) will ever take you for anything but the MOBY you are.
*throws rotting flesh under a bridge
Fetch
On the sidelines 30..Very busy. Thanks for asking…
Having a great day twiggman. The trolls are thick with their liberal talking points and stoopid comments. I am having a great time making fun of them!
Funny. We have helped free 1/2 of the people in Iraq (the females) and N.O.W. condemns the war. Now we are supposed to take N.O.W. seriously?
On April 1st, 2008 at 11:53 am, lgm said:
So how does causing Saudi Arabia to bend on this incident eradicate the practice of fathers murdering their daughters, as a condoned form of paternal chastisement, in all the other Muslim countries?
This is a devastating problem that radiates from within the Islamic religion, where it festers and spreads to infect the host governments of nations that are too kowtowed and weak to deal effectively with the religion of peace and love; thus, the carrot and stick diplomacy you advocate be applied against the Saudis will only prove effective when all Muslim nations are dealt with in the same manner, and Islam is held responsible for its teachings.
Did some idiot post here that NOW is actively involved in womens rights in Saudi Arabia?
You are a fool. Now doesn’t care about any persecutions in these muslim countries. Let me see……when was the last time I read about NOW standing up for womens rights in the middle east and Africa…….oh thats right, NEVER. involved, they are helping promote homosexuality
BTW, lgm is right. President Bush has done a terrible job dealing with the human rights abuses in Saudi Arabia. Feminist organizations have urged the administration to do more to fight for women’s equality. Which is not to say President Clinton was any better. America has a long history of turning an eye to countries that accept these abuses.
terrig, there’s is a stark difference between anti-Catholic and anti-Catholicism.
There fix it for ya. We can fix ‘em all. Where’s the UN, aren’t they supposed to address problems such as these?
cRusty coming to lgm’s defense - CLASSIC!
OOOHHHHH! And the Clinton administration did what? Give us all a break.
Explain to us how the N.O.W. can condemn the war in Iraq? Maybe then (but I doubt it) we can start to care about N.O.W. urges (excluding their desire for power).
Fetch (part 2)
Once again the Religion of Peace(Cult of Death) raises it’s ugly, inhuman head…back to the past. If one ever wants to make a journey back in history, just book a camel in the middle east…and there you’ll be…6th century and nothing has changed.
P.S. I find it very interesting that the liberals here condemn America for “policing” the world but let something like this happen and who do they point the finger at? America. Circular reasoning kills brain cells and is the #1 reason we have trolls.
cRusty, you are the #1 cherry picker of the Bible so, do not accuse others of the practice you have made a profession at doing – thanks.
Um, NOW is probably pissed that women have less rights in present day Iraq than they did under Saddam.
I agree with you that rights mean little if both men and women are going to be thrown into a woodchipper.
But since Iraqis are dying at a faster rate now than they were under Saddam, it’s hard for NOW to be excited about the Iraqi “liberation.”
There’s a difference between asking our leaders not align ourselves with countries with horrible human rights abuses and asking our leaders to invade them and kill thousands of people in the process.
Well Michelle,
Why should we care about this?
Haven’t you been telling us, “Immigration” is the #1 issue?
How am I ’sposed to make up my mind, when on the one hand, my choice is people sympathetic to fanatic Islamic Fundamentalists, and on the other, people sympathetic to illegal immigrants?
Don’t we have to decide which is the biggest threat?
You can’t have it BOTH ways.
Seems to ME, that somewhere along the line, you have to ADVOCATE for a candidate.
#81 On April 1st, 2008 at 1:07 pm, rightisright said:
“Once again the Religion of Peace(Cult of Death) raises it’s ugly, inhuman head…back to the past. If one ever wants to make a journey back in history, just book a camel in the middle east…and there you’ll be…6th century and nothing has changed.”
Good post.
Regarding making a journey back in history…sort of sounds like the Wayback Machine.
Now, who is Mr. Peabody; and who is Sherman?
Even considering what day it is, I’d have no trouble whatsoever believing that headline.
Okay, so, you do NOT care about the facts. Got ya.
Fetch
rooster said (#77):
Trolls back. Check
Warning: it contradicts our beliefs and therefore might be dangerous, unpatriotic, unhinged, deranged, etc.
And the reason any woman who is not coerced is Muslim is…oh yeah, they’re allcoerced.
Sickening.
englishqueen01 at 10:52 AM said:
*applauds*
Thank you englishqueen01, nice job. As a Catholic woman, I think exactly the same.
This is absolutely hilarious. You sit back and watch these people kill off their own kind for the most benign reasons, they behead infidels and somehow you manage to come to the conclusion that they aren’t dangerous. WOW!
It’s the conservatives that are. WOW 2x
No, Rusty - there isn’t. As a Catholic, you can’t tell me you oppose my faith but don’t oppose me.
Being CATHOLIC is who I am and in every fiber of my being. You hate the Church you, sadly, hate those who love her. Me included.
30 pcs of silver said (#92):
They’re not dangerous, precisely because they’re behedding each other with swords while we’re maintaining the most powerful military industrial complex in the world.
It’s the same reason lions are not going to take over the country. They are dangerous one on one in the open, but they are no match for a hunter in a humvee with a rifle.
lgm,
Ei yi yi…
Yeah, tell that to Nicholas Berg, Daniel Pearl, and most recently Matt Maupin…. There are plenty of others.
I’m through feeding you.
What!? So I hate my grandmother because I don’t like her religion? My mom still associates as a Catholic. What about all my friends from my Catholic education?
As a Catholic woman, my mother was denied the most blessed Sacrament because she divorced an unfaithful husband and refused to get an annulment (it probably felt weird to say a marriage never happened when she had a son).
It’s a denomination that contributes to poverty by denying poor families birth control even though there is not one thing in the Bible that says birth control is sinful or that only sex for procreation is acceptable.
It’s a denomination based on the idea that a select few can decide the future of the Church. Which would be fine if so many past Church officials and Popes weren’t so corrupt.
I think all Christian churches have their weak spots. I’m an Episcopalian for crying out loud. Our denomination was started by a murderer looking to divorce! But it’s unfair to say that my reasons for not liking Catholicism don’t make me like the person.
Especially you, EQ!
It’s my fault for saying I believed in anti-Catholicism. That does sound hateful. How’s this: I do not agree with the Catholic Church on many fundamental issues. If someone compares it negatively to Islam, I will defend it with every fiber of my being.
So, does this make Mark Zuckerberg, in addition to being the youngest billionaire, the youngest CEO who is the subject of a fatwa from the ROP?
Can you get anything other than dial-up in a cave?
#95 On April 1st, 2008 at 2:32 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:
“lgm,
Ei yi yi…
They’re not dangerous, precisely because they’re behedding each other with swords while we’re maintaining the most powerful military industrial complex in the world.”
Sadly, all we can do is shake our heads, 30pcs.
“It’s the same reason lions are not going to take over the country. They are dangerous one on one in the open, but they are no match for a hunter in a humvee with a rifle.”
Oh, boy…Trolls, the gift that just keeps on giving, as with the inanity above.
Guess it never occurred to Troll that lions are not currently trying to acquire; nor are they capable of using against us, nuclear weapons.
Like you, 30pcs, because not uncommonly what Trolls write is so stupid that my hair hurts, my response has to include
“Ei yi yi…”.
Let’s just pray that Trolls do not reproduce well.
I think they meant that in a bigger sense…
That’s better. And that’s what I was hoping you were saying. I do know better: you’ve always been respectful in debates and very articulate (and I don’t mean that in an condescening way; it’s nice to debate with someone who had a grasp of proper spelling and grammar).
But I have a really hard time with someone saying they hate my faith but are a-okay with me. Especially when it’s pretty clear to everyone here that my faith is who I am. And I have a hard time with people who think that if the Catholic Church just changed her teachings on things like abortion, birth control, gay marriage and the like it’s be wonderful. No, what it would be is NOT Catholic.
On the issues re: annulment and birth control, my inbox is always open if you want to discuss those issues in depth.
Be forewarned: they are out there.
Learn the meaning of the phrase “Manning’s Corollary“.
Seriously? So what about the airplanes they used on 9/11? The roadside bombs? The car bombs? The suicide bombers?
If it was a bunch of sword-wielding cavedwellers we were facing, then it wouldn’t be a big deal.
But the terrorists, jihadists and shari’a law lovers are in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions. They are working to subvert and destroy our way of life.
Do *you* want to live under shari’a law, lgm? Do you want the women you know to live under shari’a law?
How can you *ever* compare our military to those disgraceful terrorists defies all logic.
My daughter and I were at Barnes and Noble the other night and found a new magazine - “Muslim Girl”
I wonder if they would stock “Christian Girl” or “Jewish Girl”?
What do you expect from the intolerant madmen of the “Magic Kingdom?” The whabi sect of islam is the most strict and insane of them all. After all it has given the world Al Qaeda. I saw more than I ever wanted to back when flying AIRCAP support missions protecting American flagged Kuwait tankers base out of Riyadh during the mid to late 80s. I have seen them and they have seen me. I have absolutely no desire to return.
lgm:
Read this story from Fox News and Islam Watch:
The Imam also defends all Muslism as “innocent” (emphasis mine):
Just so you’re aware that this is what we’re fighting against. Unmitigated hatred and violence.
I’d rather not be raped and murdered for being a non-Muslim. And I’ll fight this evil wherever I encounter it. If that makes me a racist, a bigot, or an Islamophobe, so be it.
She wasn’t even in physical proximity to a man. She just had the audacity to talk to another “faceless” human being on the internet. Why are Muslim men so threatened by the independence and freedom of the Western world?
This is a blatant overreaction to an online conversation. All one can conclude from this incident is that Muslim men feel threatened by any perceived threat to their control over their female relatives. What this man did to his daughter is heinous, it is cruel, and it should not be tolerated by not just the Western world but the Middle Eastern one at large.
This will, of course, be classified as an “honor killing,” and this young woman’s murderous father will get a wrist tap and a hearty congratulations from the Saudi government for being a “responsible parent.”
My heart is saddened that the murder of the Muslim daughter was at the hands of her own father. Islam is a false religion established and made-up by a hate-filled, cruel, vindictive, corrupted, immoral man named Muhammed. Allah is the name for Islam’s fictional non-existent false god!
The “true God” of Abraham, Jacob, and Isaac does not hear or answer the prayers of hate-filled hearts and minds. Christians of all denominations are called upon to pray for the enemies of the “true God”, thus our enemies! That is one of the most difficult tenets of Christianity, but it can be done by praying that the hearts and minds of those Muslims and others ensnared in the Islamic religion of hatred and destruction will be changed by the “true God” through the intervention of those who believe in, work for, and help sustain the many Christian and other out-reach programs and various institutions founded upon Judeo-Christian values. Find one and support it with your time and talent.
God created us all and each life is precious! The sacrifices, persecution, and legal battles today against those in America and across the World who are reaching out with messages of HOPE to those enslaved by repressive, god-less regimes is a calling that those who truly believe in the Judeo-Christians values support and share and cannot ignored!
We need to believe we can make a difference directly in lives and in how policies of the government can be and must be improved regarding our most important freedoms! Islamo-facists use FEAR to deter everyone, including their own, from standing up and turning against them. We want to just leave the battles to someone else out of FEAR!
The infiltration into every aspect of the American culture - local, state, national government, education - over the last two decades is complete!
One of the best uses for new technology is to reach across our Nation and into the World with messages of Hope. My personal story is about on of my childhood girlfriends, who married a Muslim 15 years ago,and who has been in hiding with her two children for over six years! If they are still alive, I will most likely never see them again. Imagine living in such fear and/or watching your child’s life ended by the child’s own father. It is unimaginable!
Imagine how many times such murders have been carried out, thousands and thousands of times unreported in these so-called “enlightened” times. Where is the OUTRAGE??
Direct you anger at the perpetrators rather than “sniping” at each other. Direct your anger at the so-called “leaders” in our World who turn a blind-eye to man’s inhumanity to man and call for the mass destruction of Israel and all of us “infidels”! Speak-out loudly and often! I am glad to be an infidel! Long live “infidels”!
This is my long “rant”, but I am serious about not letting our enemies “divide and conqueror” us! jb
Rusty/lgm:
All together now…”terrorists are our friends….” Inhale. Exhale. Repeat.
That’s what you meant to say, right?
As to lgm’s argument that Saudi Arabia, an ally, tolerates such “honor killings,” yet Iraq, run by a secular, beneficent dictator (also a Sunni) gased thousands of Kurds and liked to dabble with WMD’S (they’re gone now you know so we don’t need to be in Iraq in your opinion). Which is worse? When you come up with something that is not morally relativist, let us know, okay?
Okay, first I am a conservative and a very fair conservative at that. Second, there are some on this blog who attest to being conservatives, yet, use language, name-calling, and ridicule, the same as many liberals, I’ve seen. That’s NOT what we are about. If all you can use is “liberal tools” to make your point, there are other websites. Third, I appreciate IGM and others that post opposing views. It makes the the reading interesting and informative. You won’t see me post anything negative against them, simply because I like to have them here. This is called, being a true conservative. Fourth, Rusty made a point on the history of Catholicism. Yes, they have a history as bad as the Moslems today. Let’s not forget the witch trials of women, and the total dominance of men over them for a long time. Over time, they have changed…and for the better. Still, I wonder if the changeover is complete. Fifth, it is sad that some Saudi killed his daughter…for whatever reason he has. We’ve recently had a guy kill his kids in Georgia, and one mental patient kill his 3 kids in Baltimore. A mom just got 36 years for killing her daughter. It seems to be a trend in this country to kill kids. A week doesn’t go by without someone killing his/her kids. Again, it’s really sad that such things happen in Saudi, or other moslem countries, but kids dead, are still dead, for whatever reason that can be given. Getting back to these “trolls” as you call them, I hope they stay and continue to post. A true conservative welcomes debate from those who use logic to contest our opinions. To be honest, if I had the chance I would buy IGM a beer, and welcome the opportunity to have a good discussion with him. His ideas would certainly help me in molding mine better. (not a sermon, just a thought)
I agree to the point that opposition posters here stay on topic. Some are better than others at avoiding the typical tu quoque or strawmen arguments. What annoys many here are the attempts to redirect the conversation to what they would prefer to debate (I apologize knowing that I’m doing the same here in response).
Don’t want to talk about anti-war protesters? Bring up pro-life demonstrators.
Don’t want to talk about Senators Clinton or Obama? Claim Senator McCain is worse. (Ignoring the fact that many here are not thrilled with him, either)
Don’t want to talk about the issues when following Islam to the letter brings about violence to women? Redirect to talk about Catholic history.
Don’t want to talk about anything else that Michelle posts? Blame Bush.
I am personally okay with Rusty. Some of the others, however, I believe come here deliberately to pick fights without having substance to show for it.
Although, Rusty, in this case I believe you did provoke EQ in your first post. I’m just not certain if it was intentional or not.
On April 1st, 2008 at 1:13 pm, Rusty said:
Rusty,
You are kidding, right? I realize women have not faired as welll under the Islamic fascists now setting the political/social agendas of various regions in Iraq, e.g. forcing women to wear the headgear and assume a less than equal role in society, but how you can equate that to the rape rooms and being torn apart by dogs tactics Saddam and his minions used against women and young girls is beyond my understanding. Please explain your rationale in making such a statement.
A father in NYC strangled his teenage daughter and stuffed her body into a furnace after catching her on MySpace.
So, is it the website that’s causing “strife”, or is it the Islamic prediliction for killing women over anything that’s causing “strife”?
Rusty, you’re anti-Catholic and proud of it, you have never been to a Wal-Mart yet were on the dole and proud of it, I don’t get you. Your mother is not the only one in the world who cannot receive communion because she is divorced. I still go to Mass every weekend. You can’t be a Catholic and be pro-choice.
The fact that there is rampant anti-Catholicism does not surprise me. Of course it’s evil and bad according to some in fact it’s much worse than Islam according to a few. For the record it was the puritans that burned/hung the witches in Salem not the Catholics who weren’t even allowed in MA at that time.
There are three groups that can always be counted on to be okay to make fun of: 1)Catholics, 2) any other Christian denomination 3) people from the South and WV.
Tell that to these guys.
Per this board, you might want to add:
(4) Muslims, (5) liberals, and (6) Democrats.
And fat people.
So, just because of other people have done bad things you can’t call attention to this horrific murder in Saudi Arabia?
Saudi Arabia in particular has a long history of treating women and girls as less than human. Beatings, forced marriages, abductions, and even murders are facts of life for women. Remember the girls allowed to be burned to death in a school because the religious police wouldn’t let firemen rescue them. The reason? The girls weren’t wearing veils. Remember the businesswoman hauled off to the pokey because she was with a male business associate in a Starbucks? Remember the fact that women cannot drive there and must ride segregated buses? Oh yeah, they have to walk around dressed like mummies in public too.
Obsfuscate all you like, but it doesn’t change the 7th century attitudes toward women in the Muslim world. Especially in Saudi Arabia.
Wow. Just, wow. The most powerful man in the world commits adultery in the Oval Office, shames himself and his whole family, and apparently this is on the same level of a regular person posting a blue story on his own personal website. Yep, those are totally equivalent.
You don’t know a single thing about me, and to say something that insulting just proves what a prick you are. Way to put me in my place you pompous, arrogant, jack-ass.
Please. He didn’t even bring it up. Someone else brought it into this website in order to smear him. Which is a totally class move, of course.
Islamic/Arab men for the most part have a psychosis regarding women. I submit it goes back to Ishmael’s rejection by Sarah when he and his mother were cast into the wilderness. Ishmael had pretty much to grow up as a fatherless man. Where have we seen this problem before and all the social ramifications, lack of “getting over it” syndrom and projected hate on those they feel wronged them?
When he posted that stupidity on a public website and linked to it with his profile here, he effectively invited us all to look at it. People get an impression of you from your website and if you want to be taken seriously and retain your credibility, you don’t post ridiculous stories about your bodily functions and lack of self control.
I know that you don’t understand the concept of appropriateness and decorum. I also know you are a potty mouth. Clown.
Yeah right! Western feminists FEAR Islam! You ladies will roll up your sleeves against Christians and Jews, but not against Muslims. You quake in their shadows, lgm, and don’t try and act like your feminist groups are doing anything worthwhile, not until I see protests outside the Saudi embassy.
And you can call your pals Sharpton, Wright and Jackson and get them to go to since they still practice slavery over there and with all the mosque building going on in Europe they pay for, they should have plenty to spare for reparations.
So get on it already, would ya? Your side of the aisle is all about progress and you aren’t going to change anyone’s mind on here, so hop to it!
#118 Concerned Citizen:
Hang in there, CC.
I probably shouldn’t have called names, but geez, if you’re trying to make a credible argument, then present yourself as serious. I don&#