Reminder: the majority of Americans — including myself — believe abortion should be legal.

I’ll bet the majority of antebellum plantation owners believed that slavery should be legal; and the majority of nazis surely believed that killing jews should be legal.

Abortion has the sanction of law at the moment, but that in no way makes it a moral practice.

On April 1st, 2008 at 8:01 pm, Andy said:

Klanned Parenthood

Try this link instead:

Every three days, more African-Americans are killed by abortion than have been killed by the Ku Klux Klan in its entire history.

Progressives are pro-negro-infant-holocaust.

Rusty, lgm, etc. are prime examples of the weak-minded proletariet mindset of the electorate. Let the government take over health insurance so well since they’ve done great things with public schools, social security, and other wonderful entitlement programs.

Newsflash: look up a little thing known as Tricare and find up how much government makes its military members jump through hoops to get medication and basic medical services. It’s also a dream when the bill comes too.

“maybe if hospitable and health insurance companies had less government regulations and actually had to compete with each other, the prices could go down..”

Up to a point.

Yes, the regulations, and the litigation climate (thus the need for so much liability insurance) drive up the costs; and, notwithstanding the immediate, self-righteous protestations of trial lawyers and regulatory bureaucrats, do little to nothing to improve the quality of medical care.

However, there is limit to competition in medical care.
Ordinary businesses that compete go after areas of the market in which they can make money.
I don’t think you would want that in medical care.
If you needed medical care, but your condition were a huge money-loser, and you were to come to me (I’m a doc) for care, how would you feel if I were to say to you, “Get lost, you’re a money loser.”?
Unlike litigation lawyers, who can, if they wish, refuse to take a case if they think that it won’t be profitable for them, docs and hospitals shouldn’t do that…and, as far as I know, they can’t do that, without facing deserved legal, possibly criminal legal, action.

On April 1st, 2008 at 1:09 pm, Rusty said:

Madchef, the capitalist way is to price out the people who can’t afford those services. Which is why the poor have severely shorter life expectancies. The capitalist way doesn’t work.

Rusty is right.. I mean, the Porshe is priced way out of my means.. damn capitalist ways of the filthy rich..

maybe if hospitable and health insurance companies had less government regulations and actually had to compete with each other, the prices could go down..

… If PP is about all those health services, they should just dump abortion all together. But that would go against the Planned Parenthood Planned Barrenhood Klanned Parenthood code of “ethics”.

There, fixed it for you.

So, where the profit going?

On April 1st, 2008 at 2:49 pm, Rusty said:
…Or does life being at viability? I think this makes more sense. After all, it’s hard to describe something that doesn’t have the ability to breathe as really alive. That’s where the line should be drawn. And that leaves plenty of room for first and second trimester abortions.

Viability (with regard to abortion) is defined as the average age at which a fetus is able to survive outside the womb.

In 1973 viability was 26 weeks.
In 2008 viability is 22 weeks.

In 35 years the definition of who is or is not human has expanded based solely on an arbitrary standard.

In 1973 a egg fertilized outside the womb could survive for a few hours.
In 2008 implantation can be delayed by up to a week.
Medical knowledge and technlogy keeps advancing; eventually viability will be at conception.

What standard will you then use to draw the line of human/non-human?

On April 1st, 2008 at 2:31 pm, lgm said:
Reminder: the majority of Americans — including myself — believe abortion should be legal.

If you include those who restrict it to rape/incest and/or to save the mother’s life then the majority DON’T believe abortion should be legal.