More racist Planned Parenthood clinics exposed
I’ve written several times before about Lila Rose’s pioneering undercover journalism. If left-wing reporters are going to use their positions to engineer bigotry stings, then there’s most certainly room for independent journalists to expose racism where the Left doesn’t want to go. In February, Rose released undercover tapes of her discussion with an Idaho Planned Parenthood official eager to accept money from a racist donor who supported aborting black babies. Now, Rose is back with new video of PP clinic officials in New Mexico and Oklahoma willing to take money from a blatantly racist donor. One PP staffer openly admits that “for whatever reason, we’ll accept the money.”
Sympathy for eugenics isn’t just an aberrent occurrence. It’s embedded in the historical DNA of Planned Parenthood. Margaret Sanger would be so proud.
Watch:
From a press release on the new video:
“This new video demonstrates a disturbing trend of racism at Planned Parenthood,” said Lila Rose, editor of The Advocate. “Planned Parenthood has no shame in accepting donations intended to purposely abort minority populations. People have forgotten the organization was founded on these principles and has continued to operate under these same racist views for decades.”
Irene Gray of Planned Parenthood in Albuquerque, New Mexico took the call from O’Keefe last summer when he wanted to make a donation to abort a black baby. In sympathetic tones, Gray_ replied “yes, yes, it’s a strange time for sure” to the caller’s rant about affirmative action and how there is a need for less black people because they compete with whites for admission to schools.
When asked if the organization takes donations specifically to abort black babies, another Planned Parenthood staffer from Tulsa Susan Riggs answered, “We can definitely designate it for an African-American.”
“Clearly, Planned Parenthood has absolutely no shame in using funds to target and abort black children from racist donors. It’s a jolting reminder that abortion is a big business, regardless of what the politicians and the special interest groups say and given that Planned Parenthood receives over $300 million in federal funding every year, it’s time Congress investigate these extremely disturbing business practices,” continued Rose. “Planned Parenthood must be held accountable for their actions. No one is calling them out – including supposedly minority civil rights groups like the ACLU and NAACP – for their despicable actions.”
Rose’s LA Advocate website is here.
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government drone,
You still did not explain the connection (possibly because it doesn’t make sense)? Opposing abortion for the reason that it kills babies is a fair reason, opposing abortion because it’s a plot to rid the world of black people is a fair reason (if that is what one truly believes).
Also, please note in my original post I said “a reason” not “the only, or exclusive reason”. Before you start casting aspersion about my sentiment, you should probably actually read and comprehend it.
Um, care to tell me why you targeted me?
I was right, the littlegirlyman did look like picture C on the thread yesterday about the communist art teacher.
You think?
You have yet to comprehend what my point was with that post.
TOS, it seems that trying to have discussions with you is fruitless. You constantly take a contrarian view, just to do take a contrarian view.
It reminds me of the Monty Python sketch where the man pays to have an argument, and all he gets for his money is a man saying “no it isn’t” to everything he says.
No thanks TOS. I don’t want to play that game.
Translation: You can’t explain the connection you stated.
btw, understood your point fine, just didn’t understand the connection you were trying to make. So I take an opposing view on a certain issue and asked you to qualify a statement, is that not fair? Then why insult my character and intellect? I wasn’t trying to be contrarian, just wanted to understand that statement, as it did not make sense to me, and it appears in hindsight that you are realizing your faux pas.
#102 On April 2nd, 2008 at 2:17 pm, governmentdrone said:
“It reminds me of the Monty Python sketch where the man pays to have an argument, and all he gets for his money is a man saying “no it isn’t” to everything he says.”
Good one!
As I remember, Michael Palin walks into the wrong (argument) room; he had paid for something else.
Anyway, John Cleese keeps contradicting a bewildered Palin; finally, Cleese explains that this room is for an argument.
To which Palin says, that this was no argument, that this is simply contradiction; to which Cleese in turn replies…”No, it isn’t.”
Classic.
Thanks for the yucks!
Many of you know all about people the Clintons have had killed and all the ways Al Gore faked his military record all the places Saddam is still hiding his WMDs, and dozens of other theories credible people (Democrat or Republican or whatever) won’t touch.
The least you could do is to know a little about the other side — Karl Rove as evil genius, voter suppression, …
lgm, as a teacher you should know that Wikipedia is in no way shape or form a credible source
Weren’t you the one who didn’t have a problem with trolls coming on here and putting forth “good arguments?” Please correct me if I’m wrong. You weren’t targeted, per se, you were used as an example.
I could care less if you tolerate trolls. It’s when they run havoc all over the place and hijack the blog that become the source of members’ disatisfaction and discontent.
If you ignore them they become as irrelevant as their comments are!
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
If I remember correctly, he paid for “abuse”.
Um… thanks for the link to the definition of voter suppression.
I don’t take kindly to you saying we are not credible people. You have no idea what the people here think about those theories and you seem to lump everyone who simply knows about any of these theories under a label of not credible. Additionally, I cannot understand why, if you consider us so lacking in credibility, you continue to read and comment here. I’m not saying you shouldn’t be able to, I just don’t understand why you do.
Unless I missed something, your link was to a wikipedia entry on voter suppression, which did not mention Rove… And, your story about Rove doesn’t seem to be evidence of your original claim about Republicans making a practice of allocating money for reduction of black voter turnout.
Then, gosh, lgm, organizations like Media Matters and Moveon, sites like HuffPo and DailyKos, especially dedicated to far-left hysterical, BDS blathering wouldn’t exist, now would they? Name me one reputed Republican website that airs crackpot theories? Just one…
I’ve walked it, lgm. I’m intimately acquainted with the “dark side.” I’ve even dated it. The least you could do is stop blathering on like we’re not aware (I wish were weren’t) of what the lefties think up as good comedy. Too bad such tactics just divide, misinform, etc. As to your link… could you come up with something a little bit more original than Wikipedia? That’s an 8th grade student old reliable, and as a teacher, I never took sourcing from that site. C’mon, the internet is at your disposal, lgm… try again.
Nope, RR you didn’t miss anything. Nothing about Rove paying black ministers to supress the black vote. Nothing about Rove, period.
Also, I didn’t spot anything about Rove on any of the wiki entries linked to that page.
Strike 3, lgm. Better luck on your next at-bat.
Unfortunately, there are people on this blog that will “provide discourse” with them. Believe me, I find them irrelevant most of the time. However, when they blather on and try to reinforce misinformation or stereotypes, they will be challenged. That is all.
Your point is well-taken. Lgm and Rusty seem to think that political persuasions never evolve or change. I guess if they didn’t we wouldn’t have a McCain, Clinton, Obummer running in the presidential race, now would we?
You have me confused with graysonret. I responded to his post stating what annoyed me about some posters on this site. Link
Having a different opinion doesn’t make someone a Troll. Seeking to redirect the conversation to something other than what the original post was about does.
I pointed out what we have been seeing the past couple of weeks that typifies this behavior and annoys me.
Fair, but since my handle was the only one mentioned, I took special notice, especially since I believe I was misunderstood.
I agree. If you take a moment to re-read what I said, I believe it’s the same sentiment.
My point about Rusty specifically is that there have been cases where there has been some good discussion where both sides have stuck to decent behavior and decorum.
lgm seems to be a different breed.
Just because they’re both liberals doesn’t mean that I would put them in the same category.
#110 On April 2nd, 2008 at 2:45 pm, governmentdrone said:
“If I remember correctly, he paid for “abuse”.”
I think you got it!
Bingo!
I don”t have a dog in this fight but what about Free Republic?
From your source:
In the United States, voter suppression was used extensively in some Southern states until the Voting Rights Act (1965) made most disenfranchisement and voting qualifications illegal. Traditional voter suppression tactics included the institution of poll taxes and literacy tests, aimed at suppressing the votes of African Americans and working class white voters.
And if you were a history teacher you would know it was the Democrats that did this to the African Americans.
SOURCE
SOURCE There is a DVD if you ca’t read.
But why let the facts ruin your perfect record of being an idiot?
From what I have seen historically, we’re typically on the same ideological side.
What I do not understand is how you classify your postings as any different than my own with the possible exception of the specific reference. (And I say this without any malice.)
We (general we) can also respectfully disagree with differing opinions (that are not by their nature meant to just be controversial) without resorting to personal attacks, right? This is what I took from graysonet’s posting; however, my response was actually a rebuttal to his on the point of real trolling, not just a blind agreement.
Bottom line, I’m happy to respond to things addressed to me here here and would appreciate it greatly (and I mean that sincerely) if you directed those comments to me. I hadn’t had an opportunity to read what you had written on the other post yet, so it seemed a bit odd to see you asking Soap to explain something to me here, especially when I was complaining about more or less the same thing.
PS> I apologize to all for trolling a bit here myself in responding. Will happily take it off line if there is more to be said on this.
I’m a credible person. Really.
No he didn’t.
I’ve heard of this site but have had little interaction with it. Just as the Dems can’t control those of the far-left, the same holds true with Republicans. I do think that there are more “unhinged” people of the left than the right persuasion.
If there is active moderation on any site (be it Dem or Republican) then a lot of this “conspiracy theory” can be dismissed. If it is actively encouraged by the people who run the site, then that’s another story. I do however, think that Free Republic was an early precursor in investigating MSM stories that turned out to be unfounded.
However, I do like their “no liberal” rule. Too bad we can’t do it here. Michelle is much kinder than her “visitors” give her credit for.
There is information on Republican voter suppression all over the internet. You’re all on the internet. You all have google. Go have a look.
One of the things a good teacher should do is to help students find out things for themselves rather than spoon feeding them. Of course, there are people who have no interest in finding things out…
On-my-soap-box (#119) said:
In 1965 most of them were Democrats. Nixon’s “southern strategy” was to get them to become Republican: Stennis, Helms, .. started their careers as segregationist Democrats and ended their careers as racist Republicans. What make them change more than anything was the Civil Rights act forced on them by outside Democrats that made voter suppression illegal.
Yes he did.
Sorry, I’ve never seen anything but baseless accusations of Republican voter fraud.
Back in 2000, the Dems were crying voter fraud because Reps objected to them trying to count dimples in punched cards as votes. Would that be your idea of fraud? I know I can look and find cases of dead democrats voting and ACORN being charged with fraud.
Do you really think the Dems want the illegals here out of kindness? No, it’s because they can try to grant amnesty and increase their voter roles.
Take off your rose colored glasses, Pollyanna.
No no no!!
Here’s where I prove what a nerd I am…
Michael Palin pays for an argument, but accidentally walks into Graham Chapman’s office (”Oh, I’m sorry, this is abuse.”). He then gets to John Cleese’s office, where he thinks that he’s going to have an argument, but it turns into a long back-and-forth of “Yes, it is/No, it isn’t.” After being coerced into paying more money to continue the “argument,” Palin leaves to complain and ends up in Eric Idle’s office listening to him complain, and then runs next door to Terry Jones’ “getting hit on the head lessons,” where the episode starts coming to an end with the inspectors walking in.
/nerd moment
I don’t think I’ve classified my postings any differently than yours. If this was indicated by myself, than it wasn’t my intention.
A lot of the time there are three ways to interface with “trolls” or “visitors:”
1. Make fun of them… if they come on here and treat Michelle’s creation as a joke and to make trouble, they will get likewise.
2. Rebut them or hold dialogue.
3. Ignore them.
Actually, it was a rhetorical question. It was more of an off-hand remark. I think people like Rusty, lgm, and others treat Michelle’s blog like an active social experiment. They don’t seek to understand the other side so they’re derided in kind.
It’s alright. I’m sorry that I didn’t address your comments directly. I was just responding to what I saw was a general approach on the part of some members to trolling. That is all.
Ah, the cry of the troll that can’t provide proof of his claims.
At bat #2 – Strike 1.
Again, we see the typical troll behavior in it’s natural habitat – we don’t really know history, so we make it up to fit our view of things.
Strike 2.
Why? I hope you are not “reverting to stereotypes” that all liberals are evil. I think Salt nailed it on the head when he wrote “Having a different opinion doesn’t make someone a Troll”.
(Applause)
I bow to your superior recollection. You nailed it.
Your complete collector’s set of “Monty Python’s Flying Circus” should be arriving at your doorstep a week from next Tuesday.
COD of course.
John Cleese will be hand-delivering it, along with a large fish.
Actually, since this is your assertion the onus is on you to prove it.
Since you’re a Math teacher, the only thing you’re helping students to achieve is how to solve mathematical problems. If you’re spoon feeding ways to use Math to soft-pedal your mantra, then you’re a very poor teacher. I have very little interest in people who throw out a “theory” and don’t back it up.
Actually, your historical viewpoint is a little off. Soap is right, you really need to stick to Math since History is neither your strong suit or that of liberals in general. To clarify… who created segregation, poll taxes, and Jim Crowe laws? Let’s see… Dems. Who helped ensure that the Civil Rights Act was passed? Republicans. Do people change their political colors over time? Yes. Are you living in a universe where the victims will always be “typical black people,” the saviors Dems, and no strings attached? I guess that would be a yes again.
#122 On April 2nd, 2008 at 3:39 pm, Concerned Citizen said:
“On April 2nd, 2008 at 2:30 pm, granite said:
If I remember correctly, he paid for “abuse”.
No he didn’t.”
Touche!
#122 On April 2nd, 2008 at 3:39 pm, Concerned Citizen said:
“On April 2nd, 2008 at 2:30 pm, granite said:
If I remember correctly, he paid for “abuse”.
No he didn’t.”
Actually, governmentdrone said, “If I remember correctly….”
Read your history troll. The Democrats made it almost impossible for African Americans for 90 years. Learn about the lives of the first six Congressmen and the first Senator (all Republicans) to serve in the federal congress. Three African Americans have led the RNC compared to zero for the Dems at their DNC.
HERE – more info (history)
More HERE
Try reading some history instead of regurgitating the same old tripe from wiki.
P.S. Rove link?
P.S.S. I have done my homework. You do your’s but don’t come back here with more of your lies. I could never be spoon fed by someone who will not seek truth.
#127 Deanna:
Thank you for setting things straight!!
And I have the Monty Python DVDs!
But, until I find the 30th hour of the day and the ninth day of the week, I sadly will continue to have precious little time to watch the skits on them.
More accurately should read:
To clarify… who created segregation, poll taxes, and Jim Crowe laws? Let’s see… Conservate Southern Dems. Who helped ensure that the Civil Rights Act was passed? Northern Democrats and Republicans.
The political landscape has changed quite a bit since the 60’s. I would equate the Southern Conservative Dems of the 60’s to the Southern Evangelical Republicans 00’s.
I found this very interesting:
Members? Do you get a jacket? We’re all “members” on equal ground.
The dissatisfaction and discontent is caused by the people who don’t like being told they’re wrong and would prefer an echo chamber. When “trolls” disagree with the conservative members of the site, we get personal attacks and third-grade level jokes made at our expense. And then when we retort we’re told that we’re immature. As LGM pointed out, once someone disagreeing with majority makes a good point (even when that person is usually conservative!), it’s “don’t feed the trolls” time.
Some people here clearly aren’t programmed to deal with disagreement. And that is very, very sad.
You solved that equation wrong.
You really should quit taking math lessons from lgm.
And fellow sensible people, do not even try to respond to people who claim Democrats are responsible for Jim Crow laws and segregation and what not.
Anyone who missed out on the Southern Strategy doesn’t know what they’re talking about.
I never asserted that having a different opinion makes a person a Troll. However, intentionally trashing conservatives, redirection, saying things that are reflections of ingrown liberal prejudice, stereotypes, etc. are decidedly “trollish.”
Now here’s a question for you TOS: why are you here? To make trouble, mock conservatives, share a few laughs (as apparently lgm does) over at DailyKos when you’re done with your “social experiement” for the day?
The reason I ask is that some trolls on other blogs such as Newsbusters have readily admitted that they’re there to make trouble. Stir up the pot. Inflame opinion.
I have no use for such people. I will not agree with you, Rusty, or lgm, and you all pretty much understand where most conservatives come from on any given issue. What are you hoping to accomplish? Are you trying to change minds, defend a certain act like abortion, what? Isn’t being on here a pointless exercise for you?
I find your presence and those of other liberals
They are primarily Libertarian. In a nutshell (but not to be considered a blanket statement) Social liberals / Fiscal Conservatives.
Quit condescending to me and remember, I’m not your student.
Not nerdy… awesome!
YOU made the accusation. YOU back it up.
#146 On April 2nd, 2008 at 4:34 pm, KaosKlerik said:
“On April 2nd, 2008 at 3:42 pm, lgm said:
There is information on Republican voter suppression all over the internet. You’re all on the internet. You all have google. Go have a look.
YOU made the accusation. YOU back it up.”
Correct.
The burden of proof is on the one who made the statement.
It is not the burden of others to disprove the statement.
Thanks for the compliments, everyone. Having a thorough command of Monty Python has made my marriage a very happy one.
Who STILL has an “ex” KKK Grand Kleagle (recruiter) as a member of the US Senate? Let’s see… Dems.
ROFL My wife tried to pass herself off as a MP fan. I asked her what her favorite line was from Grail…drew a blank!
…”and when your done with her, spank me” LOL Never tire of it!
As usual, you don’t get it, Rusty. Once you’ve registered or signed up for a username and password you’re a “member.” I’m sure you’re familiar with the process.
I think people are tired of pointless exercises as you constantly demonstrate, Rusty. You receive the same kind of treatment that you and lgm have given others. No human being (and I don’t care who you are) has all the answers. However, you and lgm have made up your minds about conservatives based on misconceptions, inaccuracies, and stereotypes. Unless you actually are acquainted with the opposite ideology or espoused it, you need to get some perspective.
You make “end-run” arguments that play on historical “wrongs” and “grievances.” So does lgm. People make fun of you and others because you don’t get it. What lasting contribution have you made to this blog except to say “you’re wrong” or stick it to conservatives? You play your part well and a lot of your arguments are endless liberal pantomine. Isn’t that your whole reason for being here when you’re not posting some egocentric observation on your blog? If it is, it’s been done on other blogs. You follow the same familiar pattern that other liberals I’ve conversed with have on other blogs.
I don’t think I’ve said you’re immature but I have notice you tend to whine a lot about stuff. You’re young and perhaps you will grow out of it. Most of us either have gone to school with liberals, work with them, or suffer them in places like San Francisco. It’s very, very sad when you can’t have an honest conversation with a liberal without the typical “blame game” being utilized.
YOU don’t get it, Rusty. You never will.
Oops, meant to finish my statement with: boring.
However, if there are those who would like to use it as a fill in the blank, go right ahead.
emjem,
Maybe it is you and I that do not get it. You’re dealing with Rusty and I am dealing with lgm.
Maybe we are the sick ones!
I’ll be gracious enough to answer your question, even though you have yet to answer the one I posed to you. Why am I here? I check a number of blogs daily, both left and right, because I believe the truth quite often lies somewhere in the middle. Yes, I define myself as a liberal, but I hardly prescribe to all liberal tenets, as I myself am “somewhere in the middle”. If I didn’t keep my mind open to differing opinions, I might have never picked up and read A Looming Tower nor America Alome, 2 books I have found highly informational. Sometimes, I see something on a blog that prompts me for more discourse, so I check the comments. Often times, I find comments that are intellectually dishonest, hypocritical, or very short-sided and I choose to respond.
I hope to increase my knowledge and understanding of the issues of our time. I find you learn more about an issue investigating all sides, which often includes engaging the other side rather than by just surrounding myself with “yes” men (which you appear to desire).
Where I have attempted to defend abortion? I don’t expect to change any minds, however I do expect my point of view to be understood, just as I try to understand yours.
Yep, pretty much, Soap. Pretty much. I’ve beeen expected by liberals in a) college, b)hometown, c) public education d) my family to tolerate them but they refuse to tolerate my thoughts or beliefs. It’s not a two-way street for liberals even though they say they’re getting the one-way treatment here on this blog.
I’m sorry about the whole road reference thing. I’m on a map kick right now, what can I say?
The Wikipedia page lgm linked to mentioned voter registration fraud allegations which dinged Republicans. (There were also a few Democrat scandals mentioned too.) Oddly enough, there was no mention of the numerous problems with ACORN, a Democrat group.
The allegations of Republican voter fraud were against a group called Sproul & Associates. Some of the articles mentioned that a criminal investigation had been started (which is appropriate). But since all the articles were from 2004, I figured the investigations should be finished by now and that it would be worthwhile to see what the results were. Oddly enough (NOT!), when I tried to do a search for the results, almost every single page which showed up was a leftist site pushing the “Republicans are evil” meme, with nary a mention of the result of the investigations in sight.
Fortunately, I did find the result of one investigation by the state of Oregon. It turns out that there was some fraud committed “by some persons”, but that it was not an organizational problem. Furthermore, those people who did commit the fraud were not prosecuted. (They should have been.)
That is a long, long, long way from “Rove paid to suppress the black vote.” In fact, it’s such an unimaginable stretch that I can only conclude that lgm’s Rove conspiracy theory is nothing more that the overactive imagination of a fevered mind. lgm, if you’re going to throw out some insane accusation like this, it should at least make some kind of sense and be backed up with links to real evidence supporting the actual accusation you’re making!
On the other hand, in contrast to the limited malfeasance of a few scattered Republican individuals, we have ACORN displaying repeated problems with fraud all across the country in more than one election. There have even been ACORN workers indicted for fraud. ACORN claims that they verify every registration card, but if that’s true, then why are they repeatedly getting caught turning in thousands of invalid cards?
BTW… I checked out lgm’s web site, fully expecting to see that he supports fuzzy math. I was shocked to discover that he actively opposes it, though he doesn’t really argue against it, he just gives examples without explaining what’s wrong with them. It’s good to see that he gets at least one thing right!
“Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help, help! I’m being repressed!”
Wait a minute… I don’t want to give the trolls any ideas…
If some people have such a problem with dissenting opinions, why not ask Michelle to adopt the Free Republic method of not allowing liberals?
What does this mean? Are you a kinda, sorta, maybe, almost liberal?
You might try looking back at yours, Rusty’s, and lgm’s then. And perhaps, master History while you’re at it.
You almost had me fooled, TOS, until you pulled this little chestnut out of the fire. Prejudging people works both ways. I find “typical liberals” (excluding you because you don’t know what you are) are dishonest and lie not only to themselves but to others. I don’t trust liberals and especially those in my family. I learned that at an early age. I don’t surround myself with “yes men.” I guess you’ve missed my exhanges with other conservatives like Ombre Rose regarding McCain. This assertion on your part is, unfortunately, trollish.
Well, at least you admit that you cannot defend abortion. You’re being honest. I understand liberals all too well, it’s their understanding of conservatives that I find wanting.
#156 On April 2nd, 2008 at 5:20 pm, Deanna said:
“On April 2nd, 2008 at 4:49 pm, On-my-soap-box said:
…”and when your done with her, spank me” LOL Never tire of it!
“Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help, help! I’m being repressed!”
Wait a minute… I don’t want to give the trolls any ideas…”
“Who are you who are so wise in the ways of science?
“Tell me again how a ram’s bladder may be used to prevent earthquakes.”
Ummm…because this is Michelle’s blog and it’s her call. If someone goes over the line… they’ll be warned or ousted or both.
I’m sure you’re aware of this, right? Or are you just being cheeky?
Favorite line is tough. I am awfully fond of the French taunting. But I guess one of my most favoritest lines is:
“…I got better.”
Aren’t you curious as to why she puts up with trolls?
Mookie, she “puts up with” “trolls” and “troll sympathizers” because without them just about every thread count would be in the 15-40 range, each dying a quick death after the soaps and 30 pieces of this board tired of agreeing with each other and congratulating one another regarding how smart and wonderful they are.
Whereas dakine’s blog would pull in three – all from his mom.
It hurts to be you, doesn’t it?
One thing I find fairly common among conservatives, is that they tend to see things as black and white, and fail to see shades of gray. It means that if I had to label myself as a conservative or a liberal, I would say I am a liberal. In actuality, I lean more to the conservative side fiscally, but more to the liberal side on social issues.
Where have I been intellectually hishonest, hypocritical, or short-sided in this thread?
I believe the assertion that you are referring to is when I wrote that you appeared to desire being surrounded by yes men. That assertion is predicated not on any prejudgement on my part, but on the fact that you don’t want any liberals on MM.
I made no such admittance. As I tried to stay on the topic of racism within PP.
#135 Granite.
Please forgive my faux pas. Cut and paste failed me.
Ok. Ok. You’ll love this one. Rusty, lgm, and TheOtherSide walk into a bar…
… Then he says, that’s no troll, that’s my wife!
On-my-soap-box said (#136):
There’s ancient history (before 1970) and modern history (since then). In ancient times, and in the south, the liberals were Republicans and the conservatives Democrats — Dixiecrats. In modern times, those vote suppressing segregationists changed parties so that now the Republicans in the south are the conservatives.
RaisedRight said (#144):
I think Winston Chruchill said A gentleman is someone who never gives offense by accident. I was being gentlemanly in that sense. But I get more abuse than I give.
Mookie said (#157):
Any irony here?
Concerned Citizen,
Even I had to laugh at that one (#168)
You should hear the one about the priest, the rabbi,and lgm!
Have you ever wondered why that is? In many moral questions there is often an easily distinguishable bright line which, when crossed, lands someone in territory which is logically equivalent to things which are clearly evil.
For instance, take abortion. Once the sperm and egg have fused, there is a new genetically unique organism which, left unhindered, will grow into a child, then a full grown adult, then an elderly person. We have no trouble identifying the wanton killing of full grown adults or generally self sufficient children as evil. Birth is often thought of as a bright line dividing free to abort from murder. Yet there is no functional, physical or psychological difference between a baby just about to be born and one which was just born. In fact, the argument over partial birth abortion shows just how easily even that line can be blurred.
Every other argument I’ve seen used to justify abortion can be applied to human beings who have also been born: Personhood (Is a newborn baby a “person”? How about a person who is unconscious due to an accident, no matter how recent?) Self-sufficiency (We are ALL dependent on others to some degree. Some people people who are fully mentally capable have bodies which make them fully dependent on others; Stephen Hawking for instance.) Rape, incest (Is the child responsible for the parent’s crimes? Should we hunt down the children of every murderer and put them to death because their father or mother killed someone?) Even using Birth has problems because it’s the same being both before and after, only the location is different.
The problem with such “shades of gray” thinking is that any line drawn is merely arbitrary. And if it’s arbitrary, it’s impossible to argue against moving that line. If the only focus is on how the line is being moved by just a little bit here and there, it’s incredibly simple to wake up one morning and discover that the (arbitrary) line had passed into pure evil a long time ago. Yet it could not be stopped because it “seemed reasonable at the time” because it was just a small arbitrary change.
By picking a logical and reasonable “bright line” (such as conception) which should not be crossed, it becomes far easier to make sure we never slide into total evil by moving an arbitrary line just a little at a time.
Does that make sense to you?
lgm, Rusty and TheOtherSide. Forget about history. What matters today is that it’s the democrats that are the party of bigots, racist and sexist. You guys coming to conservative blogs are the useful idiots and the reason that the Kool-Aid company (big drink) is staying in business. Liberal professors are keeping the rope industry (big rope) in business. The hippie liberals are keeping the pharmacies (big dopes) in business. And the liberals in the general population are keeping the abortion industry (big death) as one of the most successful businesses in America. Now get in your car and go buy a stupid t-shirt with some Code Pinko saying or Che on it and keep big t-shirt in business too. You should be proud. Your a capitalist too. That ought to ruin your damn day, commies.
Ron Rockstar (middle aged fantasy maybe?), paraphrasing from the movie “Billy Madison”, we are all more stupid for having read your last post.
I have serious misgivings about this psedo-journalistic tactic. Doing bigotry stings I thought was a leftist monopoly. If we are going to get into it as well, in the name of a good cause of course, then perhaps this sledgehammer approach should be careful thought through, issues of unintended consequents and all that. Frankly, I was offended by this. Instead of doing some brave number opposing bigotry in the name of anti-abortion, this is just pushing the worst racist stereotypes about white people. If I were Rev. Wright, I would be jumping up and down with glee at this. And along those lines: why not try the same thing on AIDS clinics — say we will donate but only if the money goes to help white gays? Just how far do we want to go with this?
And is the emphasis on Affirmative Action really necessary? Lots of people oppose affirmative action for very sound reasons, just like we oppose minimum wages laws. Why bring this into the matter at all? And in a way that makes the legitimate opponents highly suspect — if they are white of course. That makes it all right I guess.
Are white people the only bigots on earth? Surely the only ones we can openly despise. Why isn’t this survey being expanded to include brown people (”Would you just abort white and black babies to hasten our take over?”) or black people (”Would you just abort white babies so we don’t have to kill them later?”) We all know the reason — it’s safe.
This is nasty stuff, this “journalist” and her associates are peddling and I fear it will it might very well backfire on conservatives. I found this whole thing deceitful, dishonest, and thoroughly repulsive. It is playing with racial sh*tf*r* and I may be the only one on the list that says so, but I say to h*ll with it.
Very well said beenthere…nice post.
dakine, you may be more stupid. I can’t do anything about that. Your problem. I just wanted to point out the obvious, that democrats are bigots, racist and sexist. It’s a fact. They are also anti-American, unpatriotic and in general losers that lack common sense. They are crooks and liars and obviously most democrats politicians have to pay for sex. How big a loser do you have to be to go there? Please fill me in, you should know. So please spare me your attempt at ridicule.
Mookie said:
Some people are quick to throw out the word “troll” willy-nilly, but I think our hostess is blog savvy enough to distinguish between real trolls and simple contrarians and those with differing opinions even if they are steadfast in said opinions.
Real trolls come in two main varieties:
First there are the bomb throwers. They jump in a site like this and toss out some idiotic comment like “YOUR BLOG SUX! EVERYONE HERE IS A NAZI *FOUL FILTH FOUL” AND THE BLOGMASTER IS A STUPID *BLAH BLAH BLAH*!!!!” LeadBasedPaint was such a troll.
The other main type of troll is the annoying arguer. At first they may seem like newbies who merely are ignorant to how to post opinions and discuss issues in a rational manner. But soon their childishness and death-grip on their obvious logical fallacies is like fingernails on a chalkboard. They typically post arguments like “Fire is NOT hot! The sun is plasma and is much hotter than any fire you can make. So compared to the sun, fire is NOT HOT AT ALL! So fire is NOT HOT!!!”
So compared to true trollishness, Rusty doesn’t come close (way back up in post #10, he even pointed out a red herring fallacy in lgm’s post, so that is worth points in my book), TOS isn’t near there, and lgm just playfully skates along the line.
Having a different opinion or different set of priorities does not make one a troll.
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Ron,
Take a serious look at what you just wrote. I hope that it was simply another example of “e-tough” puffery that is so prevalent here and across the internet. Because I really feel sorry for you (and really anyone that would have to deal with you on a regular basis) if you are so deranged that you truly believe what you wrote in your last post.
This I think is the second funniest thing I have read tonight.
Kudos Gaijin on a great post.
Sometime ago there was a book called ‘grand illusions’ (or something to that effect) which exposed margeret sangers agenda as a hardened eugenicist. Even having nazi’s (in the 1930’s) write in her publication called the ‘birth control review’ which was the official publication of her organization ‘the birth control league’ which later was renamed ‘planned parenthood’. In a 1985 (in august, i think on the 10th, this was over 20 years ago since i read the book) Faye Wattleton (the, then, black national director of planned parenthood) conceded that margerat sanger was indeed a racist.
p.s. I forgot to mention that the article appeared in the washington times.
So Al Gore Sr. and William Fulbright were conservatives?
On April 2nd, 2008 at 2:34 pm, lgm (105)said:
Allocating funds to to inconvenience the opposition’s turnout is no more “voter suppression” than slashing the tires on GOP voter vans the night before an election (Chicago 2004), or using same-day registration cards to register illegal aliens, transients – even the deceased – and transporting them to cast multiple ballots at various polling places (Ohio 2004).
BTW, I have lived in the South my whole life and every time I have encountered discrimination of any nature, it has always been at the hands of a registered Democrat.
Whether you admit it or not, the idol, government dependent class the Democrats have fostered and propagated to be their voter base is a breading ground for the worst of human behavior, including racism.
You have descibed EXACTLY how the MSM thinks. They are mostly center left to hard left but think of themselves as middle-ground moderates, who only lean “a little left”.
Thus they consider people who are
The hard left as center left
The kook fringe as hard left
which leaves them thinking the left only has a very tiny kook fringe.
It also means they view
ACTUAL moderates as conservatives
The center right as the hard right
The hard right as the kook fringe
This causes them to combine the hard right and the kook fringe into one big “from another planet” group. Once you get that far out (on either end) people tend to mash all the nut groups together. Thus they attribute the mentality of the guy who shoots abortion doctors (kook fringe) to being a fairly standard hard right position. That’s why they also find it easy to believe that there is no real difference between a hard-right religious conservative (who actually condemns killing abortion doctors) and an Islamofascist (who advocates killing gays).
“What is the airspeed of an unladen swallow?”
“African or European?”
“What, I dunnooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh!”
If there’s ancient history (before the 1970’s) and modern history, then someone please explain why we still have affirmative action, quotas and racial discrimination against typical white males, and all other non-black ethnics?
GSP
I’d have to argue that slashing the tires did suppress voters by preventing those vehicles from being used to transport people, who had been counting on them, to get them to the polls. The “new-anced” extra voters are not good examples becuase they do nothing to prevent others from voting, which is what “voter suppression” means.
Renting all available rental vehicles to prevent your opposition’s forces from having access to them is not voter suppression.
Slashing the tires on vehicles they already possess to prevent them from getting people to the polls, is voter suppression.
RR, substitute “Republicans” for “Democrats” and change the disparaging word choices and you would magically transform from a fringe right wing nutjob into a fringe left wing nutjob. If you really believe your last post, you’re disturbingly unhinged. If you’re using hyperbole to make some sort of point, you’re just not very bright.
Gaijin, great post.
On April 3rd, 2008 at 12:25 pm, KaosKlerik said:.
I agree. That’s why I used it to contrast LGM’s claim that Carl Rove’s allocation of funds to inconvenience oppositional voters amounts to voter suppression when, clearly, it does not.
Here, I only half agree. While it is true that the extra voters did not keep others from the polls, the extra ballots so diluted the tally of votes cast in Ohio, that the validity of that state’s election results were made questionable. In effect, the Democrats-ACORN wanted to dilute the results in favor of Kerry, at the expense of the valid ballots cast for President Bush, and thereby suppressing the actual vote.
Perhaps, because she has a big heart or a sense of humor? She likes puppet theater?