Obamessiah: Roll Back Concealed Carry Laws!
[Guest post by See-Dubya]
This is inauspicious timing for Obama, and represents an unforced error by Democratic ideologues. Concealed carry laws have been a huge success. But Amanda Carpenter noticed that Barack Obama is not interested in results, he’s interested in keeping his liberal base happy:
Obama’s tough talk on gun control may be prompted by Philadelphia-based Democratic leaders who are pressuring Clinton and Obama to adopt harder stances on gun control. This issue is expected to come up in ABC News’ Democratic debate on April 16 in Philadelphia. 32 people were shot to death on the campus of Virginia Tech by Seung-Hui Cho April 16, 2007.
Obama’s new hardline liberal position differs from his Democratic rival Hillary Clinton and GOP candidate John McCain, who both are for concealed-carry.
Here’s his explanation to a Pittsburgh paper yesterday:
Rather than create a national registry, “I do think we have to do a better job sharing information between local and federal officials,” Obama said yesterday. He differs with McCain and Clinton about whether people should be allowed to carry concealed guns. Clinton and McCain oppose outlawing it.
“I am not in favor of concealed weapons,” Obama said. “I think that creates a potential atmosphere where more innocent people could (get shot during) altercations.”
Don’t get too excited, friends, because there’s some stuff a little farther down that article about McCain. Among them:
That time he spent out of step with the nation’s gun lobby concerns Stolfer, 53, of South Fayette, who said McCain’s campaign finance reform bill nearly banned the group he leads, Firearm Owners Against Crime, from advertising in political campaigns.
“He’s got some things to account for,” said Stolfer, a firearms instructor and former Marine. “We’ve tried to contact the campaign, and they’ve basically said, ‘Don’t call us. We’ll call you.’ ”
This sounds like a good opportunity for McCain to pick up the phone and reassure conservatives it’s worth showing up in November.
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P.S. It’s one of many odd and inconsistent things you have to believe as a doctrinaire leftist these days:
A: The police are evil, racist, and fascist, but
B: Individuals cannot be trusted to protect themselves, either.
P.P.S. Amanda and Captain Ed will be on CNN at 8:00 PM Eastern. I hope this comes up!
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Do you make this crap up yourself or did you find it in some leftist handbook?
I have a personal protection permit here in MN. Even the politicos here wouldn’t be so stupid to rescind our concealed carry law.
I probably wouldnt be “too interested” in protecting myself if I had bodyguards/Secret Service protection for life and lived in gated/secured communities. One wonders if this movie is to secure the vaunted Rosie O’Donnell vote.
Ahh.
The last refuge of a one who has no meaningful response to counter a point:
junior-high school bathroom words (cr** is barely a micron above sh**), and a personal attack.
What’s sad, is that that is the best he’s got.
Well, Obama has never believed in the right of self-defense; guns for hunting and target shooting only. So this is nothing new to the concealed carry community who have followed his RKBA position — but I’ll bet it will be a topic of conversations in those VFW halls in Pennsylvania.
I’ve had my permit since 1997 and I haven’t shot anyone yet.
I can’t wait till SCOTUS rules in the DC gun case and he starts trying to ‘splain why Americans don’t really have a right to personal firearms with his usual shuck and jive…..an armed society is a polite society
I’m not sure that the link provided substantiates the claim “huge success”.
Because of background checks and all the paperwork required to get a concealed carry permit, that weeds out the people who would recklessly pull a gun during a small altercation. I believe the “innocent” person he is referring to is one who has not been proven guilty yet, but got shot during the comission of a crime.
Hey TOS……..STFU
Stock up people, an Obamanation will try to disarm law abiding citizens so the criminals and thugs will have a better chance.
Sure you weren’t talking about Obama’s daddy?
Here’s a simple question to ask:
How many people with conceal carry weapons commit crimes?
Hello? Is anyone there? Hello?
Think about it.
Let me rephrase that…
How many people with conceal carry permits commit crimes?
Trouble is, Conservatives don’t even rate a radar blip, yet, trouble #2 is the independents and moderates McCain is courting also believe in second amendment rights.
In other words they can read and even understand how firearms non-control saves lives and significantly lowers rape stats.
But it ain’t worth showing up in November. When one of the parties puts forth a conservative candidate then it will be worth the trouble of voting. I’m not gonna encourage the bastards.
I would be very surprised if took this opening.
I have had my concealed carry permit since 1980. I doubt any serious politician would move to revoke state laws.
I’ve had mine since 1993 and I haven’t shot anyone either.
Yesterday he had ANOTHER rally. The Chicago Public Schools dismissed students and bussed them gowntown to rail against my right to bear arms.
This was instigated by a shooting of a student outside of Simeon High Schoolwhee my kid’s teammates are right now, playing Simeon in an athletic event. Our whole family will be wearing our NRA gear. Packing? I can’t admit anything, but I’d pay for a defense lawyer to defend my family against a charge of unlawful carry than pay for a funeral.
I have the right to bear arms…. nuff said, the end.
Until I am offered better evidence of concealed carry laws being a “huge success”, I will not STFU.
That quip should really help Obama in PA. PA has the highest retired veteran population in the US, and still has one of the highest percentages of hunters in the Country.
It was one of the first states to adopt a very unrestrictive concealed carry law. The Philly contingent was about the only pocket of resistance in the law’s passage.
What Obama fails to recognize, as so many of his liberal brethern, is that a concealed carry law permits law abiding citizens the right to carry a concealed weapon. The criminals will carry one no matter what the law says, so it allows people to engage in what I believe is their right to defend themselves on a level playing field.
A supposed constitutional law instructor (he is not a professor) that ignores inconvenient Amendments to the Constitution. It is a RIGHT to bear arms, not a priviledge. And you can no more restrict the rights under the second amendment than you can any other amendment. The restriction of rights under the Bill of Rights has always been a very high standard- e.g., freedom of speech does not allow one to yell “fire” in a crowded theater.
Obama and others should be very careful what they wish for; as goes the second amendment, so goes all other rights. The imposition of restrictions on a Constitutional right of the people under one article of the Bill of Rights can and will easily be interpreted as acceptable limitations on all others.
Jeddite #3 makes a good point. Take McSame’s government supplied personal security away and the first new hires will be McSame body guards.
The mythical phone conversation between McSame and Stolfer might include McSame reassurance his personal experience makes him the superior judge of who should carry and who should not carry. If you carry then the Bush 43 rule applies. No bullets allowed! And for God’s sake if your a border guard don’t shoot anyone while protecting America.
Why doesn’t he tell the truth…. Concealed handguns means “Fewer Victims”. This cuts into the liberal voting block.. “lifetime 5 generation self proclaimed and self induced victims.”
How come felons have guns to carry around? And look who the relatives blame for this thug getting his due!!!! The police!!! “Nobody needs to die like this”. Really, then why did the bastard come out shooting at the police officers?
I wonder if he was here legally too.
Obama can kiss my butt! I’m not giving up my guns or my concealed carry permit.
Every 13 seconds an American gun owner uses a firearm in defense against a criminal….. Thats 2.5 Million defensive uses per year.
(Source: GrassRoots South Carolina – They are the SC state equivolent of the NRA)
How about… a University of Chicago study?
I don’t need the government to tell me what I can and cannot do when it comes to the defense of myself and my family. Only God will judge me in the end.
Good gosh almighty! Didn’t hear about this one on the news today.
Must have been some of our illegal invaders from the south. The only time the msm describes the perps is when they are white. Judging by the names I am guessing these were not blacks and being a sanctuary city they can’t report immigration status.
rooster said: #28,
You’re right. They hardly ever mention their legal or illegal status. It took a long time for us to find that Jamil Shaw Jr’s murderer was an illegal invader.
“From my cold dead hands, Barack, my cold dead hands!” Molon labe!!!
Well you do know that if “whitey” is carrying a weapon….Wright and his minions can’t kill em…..Barack will take those weapons so you can’t fight back.
Yes, concealed weapon permits make things less safe. For the criminals that is.
Here you go, start reading: http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/
The Obamaination continues to show how unfit he is for POTUS it seems he can’t go a freaking day without sticking his foot in his mouth. Now he wants to take away the CCW no longer allowing the right of self protection guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment and the State of Idaho. Senator McNasty is no better by sticking his finger in the eye of every conservative in the country on a daily basis too. The “Hobson’s Choice” for POTUS just gets worse and worse everyday. All we can say to the gun grabbers is ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒE!
I too have my CCP. I would shoot to protect a life. I will not shoot anybody otherwise. So far, I have not shot anybody nor do I plan to. But given the choice to shoot a criminal to protect a life or ask BO if it okay first – I will trust my judgment.
As for proof when the right to bare arms has been taken away violent crime in the areas rises considerably; It was no mistake the Washington DC was the murder capital of the USA for several years – it was by design.
Obama voted against self defense in one’s home/business (SB 2165, March 2004), so it’s no shocker that he’d vote against the concept of self defense elsewhere.
There is POTENTIAL for Islamists to detonate a dirty bomb, or release biological or chemical agents…using this logic, we need to eliminate them before this can happen.
Innocent people do not normally get shot by law-abiding, gun toting citizens…the perps do. Give examples of when this has happened, not almost happened, please!
And shot during “altercations?” Oh please…the only ones who get shot during altercations are the idiots who bring knives to a gun fight. Again, show me where “law abiding” citizens shoot people during “Altercations,” and not while protecting themselves during robberies, or burglaries!
This is what we have to expect from liberals regarding anything they are against, and conservatives are in favor…HUGE GENERALIZATIONS!!!
BTW, since there’s all the hype surrounding PA and our primary (I didn’t get to choose an R), we have a good case for concealed carry in Philadelphia: would Obama support Sean Patrick Conroy’s right to self defense?
(Conroy didn’t have a concealed carry permit. If he did, the story likely would’ve ended differently)
Why not just read the book.
I already live in the People’s Republic of Illinois, where concealed carry is illegal. I do have a permit from another state, and I’m glad MOST states allow responsible citizens to carry. I have never had to use my firearm to stop a crime (thank goodness), but will in a New York minute, regardless of whether the state tells me I may or may not. I would rather spend the rest of my life in prison for defending myself or my family, and for taking one less violent criminal off the street… but I shouldn’t have to. Regardless of what the radical gun control folks in this country say, the criminals WILL still have access to guns, and WILL commit crimes with them after our 2nd Amendment rights have been taken away.
I’m glad that Obama is revealing himself more and more to the American public as this primary season rolls on, but I’m not confident yet that it will matter. His following is a huge mass of people who like to stick their fingers in their ears and cry, “Nah, nah, nah… I can’t hear you,” whenever something controversial comes to light about BHO. How can so many people be so blind as to what happens when we take hard turns to the left? And it’s a disingenuous statement by Barack anyway… he’ll say whatever he has to say to whomever the target audience is at the moment to get himself elected. This man has no integrity whatsoever, and his lack thereof will mean the death of America if he gets in a position of substantial power.
AlohaGuy & Brent,
Thank you for providing the links, although I am already aware of Lott’s study. I am also aware of flaws with Lott’s model (here and here). Also of interest, take a look at state-by-state crime stats (here) and see if violent crime dropped any differently from non-carry-law states when a state adopted a carry law. No difference.
What research I’ve done on the subject shows no appreciable decrease in violent crime. On the flip side, and opposite of what Obama fears, there has been no appreciable increase in crime either.
Wait, hold on a second.
Hillary is against outlawing concealed carry permits?!?
Reasons to vote for Hillary: 1
Reasons to not vote for Hillary: 99999999999999999999999
“Remeber New Orleans!”
Law abiding citizens had their guns confiscated by the police officers and the cops received their orders from the chief of police and mayor nagin.
So all the hoopla the anti gun banners were stating that the government would be able to protect us went out the door after Katrina and nagin and his blue suited thugs went to work.
This election; “Remember New Orleans!”
GSP
TOS would have been a Tory in 1776.
roll back concealed carry, have OPEN carry. If I want to be strapped and deter criminals from robbing me, I should be able to display my gun like a cop does.
TheOtherSide,
I’m sure both sides of the concealed carry issue will each be able to produce studies and each will be able to find flaws with the other’s studies. So it’s nice to say “Show me your study” but then you *know* the response to actually seeing the study will be “Oh…that study…here my study showing the flaws in your study.” Both sides do it. That’s just the debate game we all play.
The one issue I do have with your response is your comment that the research you’ve done “shows no appreciable decrease in violent crime.” I didn’t think the purpose of Concealed Carry Permits was to cause a decrease in crime. I suppose someone could go out on a limb and say “If our state has concealed carry, criminals will think twice before robbing someone because they could be armed.”. But I’m not even buying that one and I’m a concealed carry supporter. Someone stupid enough to commit a crime like that isn’t thinking about the consequences…not the consequences of getting caught or of getting shot by the victim.
For me, concealed carry is about having the option to defend my family and myself. Without concealed carry, I don’t have any options except to become a victim and hope I don’t get killed.
The law allows me to defend my family and myself with a gun when I’m at home…why should I lose that protection when I’m not in my home and a crime is being perpetrated against me?
Oh well. Let’s go back to carrying nooses.
All his populist rhetoric aside, Borama is a liberal through and through. What did you expect?
Kman,
Great and well stated! And I don’t disagree with your right. I just take issue with Carry-Law advocates who use the argument that it decrease violence as I believe See-Dubya did with his “huge success” link. I’ll make no bones that I’m no fan of firearms, I just want to see a more fair argument. I think your case was the fairest I’ve seen.
Well, “thinking” and “potential” have little bearing on reality.
One big flaw in the “there is no evidence of gun violence prevention by the potential victim possessing a gun” argument is that prevented crimes usually go unreported, precisely because the potential victim of the crime doesn’t want to go through the hassle and possible expense of explaining his/her actions.
Look at Massad Ayoob’s articles in Handguns, Guns and Ammo, Combat Handguns and American Handgunner magazines. He is a an internationally-known firearms and self-defense instructor. He is the Director of the Lethal Force Institute in Concord, New Hampshire, has taught police techniques and civilian self-defense in numerous venues since 1974, and has appeared as an expert witness in several trials. He has served as a part-time police officer in New Hampshire since 1972 and currently holds the rank of Captain in the Grantham, New Hampshire police department.
In most of his articles, and in his excellent book “In The Gravest Extreme” (1980), it’s all about covering your butt when the liberals come aknockin’ asking why you shot the maniac that burst into your house in the middle of the night. Is it any wonder that a prevented crime goes unreported?
I wrote this a long time ago, in a strange liberal place. I think it has some relevance to the conversation.
What does the lesson of big liberal cities tell us? That repressive gun laws LEAD to crime, rather than prevent it. LA, Philly, D.C. the list goes on.
Here is the “take home” message: Cause and effect are reversed in the mind of the liberal. And that doesn’t just apply to guns…..
we need to look no further than mexico to see what happens when gun control is too stringent
Gun control is not popular outside of Chicago, NYC, New Jersey, Maryland and Southern California.
Let him keep this up. This issue will lose the election for him. He should ask his buddy Al Gore and read Bill Clinton’s autobiography to find out what an anti-gun agenda did for them. Even Hillary has reversed her position and is now paying lip service to the gun lobby.
If they allow me to keep a firearm for “hunting”, that’s okay, because if someone broke into my house, I would certainly be “hunting”!! Actually, I was trained in hand-to-hand using a knife, and have been always more comfortable with that, than a gun. Years ago, some idiot tried to rob me by putting a gun to my throat. I thought it was a knife and immediately took it away from him. Scared the guy so bad, he took off. Police picked him up at a McDonald’s nearby. What I remember most is the stern lecture by the police officer about wrestling crooks with guns.
Crooks knowing that people will protect themselves, go elsewhere. Taking away guns, leaves crooks with guns with a unprotected society…wolves among the lambs.
Wolves among the lambs…hhhmmm nagin’s voting bloc among polite society.
GSP
I have a standing offer to provide, free of charge, a window sign stating: “THIS IS A GUN FREE HOUSE”. So far, I’ve had no takers.
Oh, I agree with Obama, we should do away with concealed weapons permits. I believe that every state should be a right to carry state by default. While the second amendment says
I see having to get a ccp as an infringement on that right. When I travel in the states, I have to know the laws for carrying, or transporting a weapon in all 50 states, because they all vary slightly (or not so slightly) from state-to-state. It should be the same in all states – everyone has the right to carry a loaded weapon for their protection, and the protection of their family. But eliminating the right to carry (bear) arms must never occur, or this country would probably end up in another (un)civil war. I’ve had my permit since I turned 21 (almost 18yrs) now, and I’ve never had to shoot anyone, never drew it in anger, but know that if the necessity ever arose, I had the ability to stop an attacker. I never want to have to kill someone, life is a precious thing, but the life of my family or myself is more so to me than someone trying to kill me.
Just my thoughts…
Wow, I thought for a minute that one of our trolls had an ephiphany.
I apologize for confusing your handle with a troll. I couldn’t agree more with your logic on cwp in the US.
Wow, I thought for a minute that one of our trolls had an ephiphany.
I apologize for confusing your handle with a troll. I couldn’t agree more with your logic on cwp in the US.
Don’t know how that double post happened, sorry.
My bad, I thought Obama mentioned concealed carry permits, he actually mentioned having concealed weapons period. In that case I can’t agree with him at all!
And here, I thought Obama and I finally had something we could agree on!
/sarc
Try brushing up on the contents of that little piece of paper you want to be sworn-in to protect, especially that pesky 2nd amendment, Mr. Obama.
No problem rooster. I just wish some of them would have an epiphany. It would save this country a lot of grief. As a life member of the NRA, I take the 2nd amendment very seriously. As the belief is correctly held, the 2nd amendment assures the continued existence of the rest.
I hope Obama keeps going on the far left swing. More gun ban calls! Get the gun owners and libertarians highly motivated to vote – AGAINST Obama.
Talk about driving the conservative base to the polls!
Can he start advocating, vocally and loudly, free public funded abortions for everyone, including teens down to age 13 without parental involvement.
Get that one, and guarantee his lunatic leftist base will love him and he will lose in a McGovern style landslide.
TOS:
I’ve gained some respect for you after reading this comment. I sincerely wish that others who are “no fan of firearms” would adhere to your attitude expressed here.
Frankly, I will look at your posts in a whole new light now, and I look forward to engaging in some reasoned, thoughtful discussion in other topics.
For the record, I have a concealed carry permit. It doesn’t mean I carry all the time, but it does mean that under the proper circumstances I can and will carry in order to defend my wife, my children and myself. Past experience has proven all too well that the police are not there to defend me at the “moment of truth” – rather, they will respond only after the real need has passed: mop-up time and report filing.
Funny thing about the ccw laws in my state: we were (and still are) an open-carry state before the ccw laws passed, but people simply didn’t carry guns strapped to their hip. Nobody wanted to be seen as “looking for a fight”, or be characterized as a “gunslinger”. After the ccw laws passed, there was such a rush for the permits that the licensing authorities had trouble keeping up and meeting their deadlines for issuing the permits.
Point being, law abiding citizens simply feel more comfortable carrying a defense weapon if they don’t have to “advertise” the fact.
I’m sorry, but you’re just plain wrong there.
Study after study (to say nothing of simple common sense) shows us that criminals balance risk & reward just like anyone else does. Given a choice between mugging an athletic 20 year-old or a crippled senior they’ll rob the senior every time. It’s why they go on shooting rampages at places like Columbine High and Virgina Tech instead of the local State Police Barracks. It’s why invasions of clearly occupied homes skyrocketed in Great Britain after they started confiscating firearms.
Criminals prefer unarmed victims. When you introduce the possibility that a victim is armed they modify their behavior accordingly.
-MM
Yeah. He doesn’t even need to mention guns either. All he needs to do is mention who will be President if he doesn’t win.
! How about more felons, rapists and gang members!!
Then why do liberals (oh,umm Dems) continually try to erode the 2nd ammendment and gun owner’s rights? Why do Dems not trust individuals to carry weapons for their own protection?
Are you advocating individuals putting their faith in the good intentions of criminals? Why is there so much crime in DC? How’s that gun ban working out there?
Do you even own a gun? Or are guns bad, terrible things soley used to kill people but not protect one’s property or person?
Please stop being naive…
1. Have you ever held a gun or shot one?
2. Ever been hunting and discharged a firearm?
3. Are you not a fan of firearms because you actually have never been a gun owner, hunted, or defended yourself?
I am a gun owner (as is my military husband). Should all responsible gunowners’ guns be taken away? How would you prevent criminals from obtaining weapons (or preventing them from committing crimes without gunowners such as myself able to defend myself as needed)
There are many, many responsible gunowners out there. I have a gun permit and I took a training course before I ever discharged my weapon. I also belong to a gun club (along with my husband) where we’ve regularly practiced to keep current so that accidents do not occur.
Without gunowners and CCP’S could we have prevented the Virginia Tech massacre? I do believe anyone with mental illness should not own a firearm. Why is there a huge crime problem in DC? How are criminals getting guns? Is the gun ban working in DC… is it preventing more “violent crime” or is it ensuring that crimimals victimize more people who could defend themselves and their property.
You sound a lot like my liberal sister-in-law. She’s never been exposed to a firearm and she virulently thinks that guns are “bad things.” She is a gun control proponent, yet she’s never been around firearms. If you’ve never been exposed to firearms, yet you’re no fan of them, how do you know whether or not a CCP will work unless you’re actually confronted with a criminal?
Gun control advocates really make no sense sometimes…
Dave from Flint said:
Along those same lines, Obama should put his money where his mouth is, and disarm his Secret Security protection. Then declare to the world “I am so against guns, my security detail is unarmed!”
emjem24,
1. Held yes, fired no. (unless you want to include BB guns lol).
2. See 1
3. No.
That said, I am not arguing that CCP laws are bad. I am only arguing with the case that CCP laws are good DUE TO THE FACT that they decrease violent crime. These hasn’t been any substantial evidence of that. But there has been substantial evidence that CCP laws DON’T INCREASE violent crime either. So on that issue, I do not agree with Obama.
Even though, I am not fan of guns, I still respect the rights given per the 2nd amendment. Most CCP licensed gunowners are very responsible with their firearms, as it sounds like you are. I also think that we both agree that the relevant issue is how do criminals get guns? 10-15% of violent crimes are committed using stolen guns, 45% percent are committed per firearms purchased from licensed gun dealers. To me those are much bigger issues than responsible gun owners having CCP licenses.
I can appreciate where you’re coming from (I’m holding off on bringing a gun into the home until my little rugrat is old enough for a gun safety class) so you may be interested in an alternate form of home protection. As most home invaders work in the dark, if you hit them in the face with one of these, they’ll be stunned long enough to finish them off by slipping one of these between their ribs.
Given your numbers are true (and I will just for grins and go high), that leaves 40% who are getting their guns from other sources. Of those 40%, how many of them do you think are law abiding? Close to 0 would be my guess. That is a lot of people out there who could give a dern if there is a gun ban for citizens. So, for the sake of argument, let’s just all give in to Glowbama and turn in our guns. How many criminals do you think will abide by that decision? Let’s not fool ourselves. Washington DC earned their murder capital title (until they were displaced) by having unarmed citizens. I will bet a dollar to a nickel that politicians in DC had armed protection though. Protection for me and not for thee. Sound familiar?
TheOtherSide.
There are quite a few scientific studies indicating that in fact, CCP and shall issue reduce crime. Here is a sample:
Concealed weapons licensees are incredibly law-abiding citizens. Florida, which was the first state with shall-issue laws: Since adopting CCW (1987), Florida’s homicide rate has fallen 21% while the U.S. rate rose 12%.
I admit I knew nothing about guns or gun crimes until a few years ago when my husband bought his first shotgun (we were both brought up in homes where our parents were very anti-gun).
I used to think that banning guns was the way to go but the older I got and the more I read and learned about it, the more I realized how important protecting our 2nd amendment rights really is.
Today my husband and I are proud members of the NRA and have learned how to handle a gun and shoot a gun at our local firing range. I enjoy going there because almost half of the people in there shooting are women! I think it is great that women are also learning how to shoot and defend themselves.
That is our main reason for owning our guns – to protect our family .We live out in the country and it would take a good 15-20 minutes for the sheriff to get to us. In a home invasion – seconds count! It’s naive for us to think that we’ll never have someone break into our house because you don’t ever know that. And it is ignorant of us to believe that we should call in the govt to come to our rescue. Nope. We will protect ourselves.
My husband’s next step is getting his conceal and carry license!
Chief,
I looked at the stats and your numbers are correct if you compare 1987 vs. 1994. Although a look at comparison of 1987 vs. 2006 (the latest stats I had)
Florida-1987 Homicide Rate = 11.4 (per 100,000 residents)
Florida-2006 Homicide Rate = 6.2
Some Comparable Non-CCR States
New York-1987 HR = 11.3
New York-2006 HR = 4.8
California-1987 HR = 10.6
California-2006 HR = 6.8
Sure the homicide rate in Florida has gone down considerably, but if it is due to the CCR laws, why such a decrease in non-CCR states as well? Maybe because there are other factors in play here that have nothing to do the CCR.
If more jews had owned guns in Poland, the holocaust could have slowed or even stopped. Instead, no one had guns except the Einzatgruppen. Any Jew who doesn’t own several guns and know how to use them well is a moron.
Our founding fathers anticipated tyranny such as Nazi Germany and that is why they wrote it into the Constitution that gun ownership is a basic right, just in case.
To post #77 – you are right. This is in the Constitution because you never know when tyranny will rear its ugly head. It can happen in any country – even the US.
So Obamessiah, convince me the shooter was a concealed permit holder… please convince me. <sound of crickets>
The bad guys already have concealed weapons. The police will only be ‘there’ by chance (just ask one). Chicagoans can defend themselves with a sharp stick if they can find one. Otherwise they die like the kid at the high school. Thanks liberals.
Thanks for the information Michelle. This should turn off a lot of people so they don’t vote for Obama. I hope so anyway.
So..Omamarama does not like the 2nd Amendment as the Founding Fathers wrote it. What other Amendments under the Bill of Rights does he want to throw out?
If he doesn’t watch it he may see open carry by necessity on the part of Citizens that refuse to be intimidated
by both Criminals and Socialist, Racist Politicians like Him!
TheOtherSide. Homicide rates blur the issue. Murder and rape rates as well as all overall crime, in my opinion are more indicative of the effects of allowing law-abiding citizens to defend themselves from criminals. Homicide rates include, for example, gang members killing each other.
From a University of Chicago scientific study:
We need to bring this subject back up, since Politico just posted a piece that tries to enhance Obama’s position among the “A+ NRA rated” members of the Democrat legislature in Pennsylvania.
I’ve got more info here.
My feeling is that if BOTH the Brady people like you and A-rated NRA congressmen like you, something is WRONG!
Vouch for Obama? He means lie about and try to fool people!