Meeting the mau-mau-ers in Madison
I had a raucous time last night at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. The College Republicans and YAF sponsored my lecture on immigration and CRs from across the state were there in conjunction with the CR state convention. It was heartening to meet so many staunch young conservatives holding down the fort. The UW-Madison CR chapter is an exemplar of Right-minded activism on campus. They rock.
UW-Madison rivals Berkeley as the moonbattiest of university campuses. It’s the home of notorious Truther Kevin Barrett, impeachment zealots, and anti-military recruiter thugs. No pies were thrown, but within 20 seconds of the start of my talk, an unhinged member shouted “Bullshit.” That was the response to my simple assertion that entry into this country is a privilege, not a right. After making the painstaking case for systemic reform and immigration enforcement, another student shouted out that I was “dumb fuck”–at which point I invited his fellow basket cases to go ahead and use the opportunity unleash any other epithets and ad hominem attacks they were dying to articulate. “RACIST!” they inveighed. Hope it provided some therapeutic benefits. My gracious CR hosts apologized profusely for their profane classmates. But the potty-mouthed fools only embarrassed themselves–and provided us with many comic moments. I really do feel very sorry for the parents paying for their “education.”
Here’s a pretty fair piece on the event. One of the audience members who identified himself as an “undocumented student” used the question-and-answer session to complain that it took years to gain citizenship (he couldn’t tell me how exactly he obtained it) and then lamented that he wasn’t being treated as an American. I asked him if he felt like an American and whether he felt grateful for having obtained US citizenship (however the hell he gained it). His answer: He wants to go back to Mexico.
Several of the hostile students were stirred up by the scheduled deportation of a UW-Madison pharmacy student, Tope Awe. The 22-year-old from Nigeria has lived in the US since she was 3. Her family has ignored deportation orders for years. From the Capital Times:
A former high school track star studying to be a pharmacist at the University of Wisconsin-Madison and her brother have been released from custody pending their deportation, the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement announced Tuesday.
Tope Awe, 22, and her brother, Oluwagbenga Awe, 24, were detained Thursday after a meeting with immigration officials in Milwaukee. They were released Tuesday but must wear ankle monitoring bracelets and check in regularly with immigration officials while they wait for travel documents for their return to Nigeria, the agency said Tuesday in a statement.
The siblings and their parents came to the United States from Nigeria in 1989 on a six-month tourist visas. An immigration judge rejected their request to stay in the country in 1999 and gave them 60 days to leave.
The Awes stayed in the country while they unsuccessfully appealed the decision. In 2003, the family received a stay on their deportation because Samuel Awe, the siblings’ father, was ill. That stay expired on July 31, 2004, the immigration agency said.
Samuel Awe and his wife, Julianah, have remained in Milwaukee, where he said he is on dialysis treatment for kidney failure.
Tope and Oluwagbenga Awe did not contact the immigration service after July 2004 and are now considered immigration fugitives, the agency said.
“These are individuals who have been through the immigration court process, have had their day in court, have been ordered deported from the United States and failed to comply with that order,” said Gail Montenegro, a spokeswoman for the immigration service.
I told the students that I agree with the late Texas congresswoman Barbara Jordan–a liberal black Democrat and respected immigration authority– who noted that credibility in immigration policy rests on three simple principles: “People who should get in, get in; people who should not enter are kept out; and people who are deportable should be required to leave.”
Open borders proponents often use the specious argument that we can’t deport all illegal aliens. No, we can’t deport all of them in a day, a week, or a decade. But we should have priorities and we should start with those who have been ordered deported by judges and have flagrantly evaded those orders.
When foreigners apply for short term visas to get into this country, they agree to abide the rules. If they apply for asylum once they are in this country and are denied, they can appeal. If they lose their appeal and their out-of-status family members are ordered deported, they need to respect the rules they agreed to when we allowed them to enter in the first place.
Why not bend the rules just this once, you might ask. Wouldn’t that be the compassionate thing to do?
Well, when would that end? On exception becomes 20, 1,000, 100,000, three times that–and you end up with complete anarchy. If you want to nullify the entire Immigration and Nationality Act, go to Washington and win the votes. Otherwise, those who repeatedly break our laws and subvert judicial rulings must face consequences. Before catastrophe strikes again.
Protesters are demanding that Awe be allowed to finish classes and stay at least through graduation while they try to work the system to evade deportation. Democrat Sen. Herb Kohl intervened and helped win her release from detention pending deportation. I predict they’ll shoot for a private relief bill. As I’ve reported many times, and as I discussed in my speech yesterday, the deportation abyss is ruled by the mantra: “It ain’t over ’til the alien wins.”
There was more shouting and the usual incoherent babble of leftist students with their “No human being is illegal” signs and warmed-over reconquista talk. But there were also many engaged listeners committed to fighting immigration chaos in their neighborhoods–and even a moderate Democrat who kept an open mind.
It’s a start.
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Sadly, the student’s waistlines exceed that of their IQ.
Nice….we need coherent policy that is fair minded and sensible. BillO and his crew should get a clue.
As far as I can tell the majority of illegals are young men working for wages that their very existance has keep low and therefore lended to the notion of “jobs Americans won’t do”
Garbage! ….the construction industry is a prime example of stagnant wages and loss of work for millions of American citizens who simply cannot compete with the van load of illegal roommates.
Send them home………
I don’t know how you could have possible come up with any arguments to counter such erudite rebuttals to your arguments as “dumb f…” and “bullshit”. I mean, those are conversation ending points.
I admire you for staying the course on this issue, more people and the Government need to wake up.
Yes, as a UW-Madison grad I can attest to the moonbat culture that infests the campus….some of us never did get infected and continue to this day countering the “stuff” that comes from Madison.
Thanks for coming to our fine state (even with a D gov and 2 D senators)and making a compelling case for legal immigration.
As usual you always show class and manage to turn the other cheek.I know myself and I would start swinging,but that’s just me.
Michelle, you are a beacon of hope in so many areas of American life. Please don’t become discouraged by the doomsayers, race baiters, hate mongers, bigots, the intellectually lazy, and the run of the mill doofuses who run their mouths rather than their brains.
Your views on illegal aliens and immigration are correct. You have researched them thoroughly and presented your views concisely and passionately, as always.
We live in a day and time where many people want to do what is right in their own sight. Many people do not want to do what is right for the United States. They don’t want to abide by American laws or the United States Constitution. They are a law unto themselves and everyone else is wrong. Those poor folks have evidently suffered through some terrible parenting.
They asked for and received 6 months in the U.S. (obviously a lie even back then).
A decade later they were told to leave AGAIN.
Now its been nearly two decades, 20 YEARS and they’re complaining? 180 days turned illegally into OVER 7000 days and they bitch?
Tourist visa, overstay, running from the law, hide/breaking the law….
Question: How many laws have they broken in their ‘6 month TOURIST VISIT’ to America? 10? 15?
They shouldn’t be out on bail, they seem to ‘appear’ every ten years or so.
Unfrickin believable.
After thought. I bet IF they had returned to Nigeria 19 years ago and had applied for LEGAL visa or even citizenship then, they would probably be real American citizens by now.(unless of course they’re criminally inclined beyond what we have been told)
What always is missing from this is the fact that all the slave wages being paid to illegals by their law breaking employers has to increase if these invaders were granted amnesty. Because we know the law breakers hiring the illegals won’t raise the wages, they will simply recruit more illegals.
This doesn’t even account for the identity theft occuring to employ, house, medicate and educate these thieves.
When is enuf enough!!!
Sorry, that just feels more like it, Michelle.
Choices: Get here legally, VISAs have time limits, respect them, respect Our Laws, accept Our Culture and assimilate, learn English and leave tribal business behind, if You want to be an American be One, not hyphenated or Get Your Butt back where You came from!
Freedom has Responsibilities. With Opportunity comes an Obligation. There is no Free Ride, despite what Demoncrats or Socialists, Whoops I meant to say Liberals tell you.
Thank You! Now get to school or work, like the millions of others that built this Nation.
Usually when I get this I’ll say gimme your keys.
If I’m not illegal, I could really use another house and car.
Just another excusatory anarchist viewpoint.
If the “undocumented student” is a citizen, then how does he consider himself undocumented? And then he can’t recall the particulars of the years-long process he supposedly undertook to become a citizen.
What a joke! If his parents really did bring him across the border, this is a heckuva to pay them back — go out and make a total fool out of himself and show the world what an ignorant child they raised.
As for wanting to go back to Mexico: DLTDHYOTWO!
I will pay for a ticket to get this undocumented student/citizen on his way to Mexico. Really, what a crock.
I admire you Michelle for going into the lions den of the very “tolerant” leftist.
Thanks for the update Michelle. That sounded like a very interesting evening, to say the least! Kudos to the CRs and YAF for giving you the opportunity to speak on such an important issue and keeping the event under control.
Where’s the next stop?
Thanks for giving the other side at Madison–the one students will never hear in the classrooms because of liberal censorship.
What an ungrateful brat! So many people from so many countries want to come to the U.S. For example, when I lived in South Korea, there were so many pro-American, Christian college students who wanted to live here. Yet hardly any of them were even allowed to get visas even to visit because there is so much demand.
Meanwhile, we have all this anti-American, “undocumented” trash–like that guy above–who are here and hate the country. We allow all these anti-Jewish Muslim barbarians in and then block Christians who are persecuted in their countries and who would love our country.
If you are a liberal immigrant who is not a citizen and who does not like it here, you have no right to complain. Please. . .get out!!! and let those who love our country and want to assimilate come here.
“Mr. Kettle, thou art black!” remarked Mr. Pott.
Wow. We’re lucky Mrs. Malkin is not an immigration lawyer, she knows all the flaws of the system like the back of her hand!!!!!!!
I believe that people brought into the US illegally as young children by their parents (not the child’s choice to break the law) have legal ways to gain legal status one they turn 18. At 22 and 24 these two have had plenty of time to take those steps. I have no sympathy left for them…send them back.
Well then, what’s the problem? Vaya con Dios. Next!
Anyway, yeah, what MamaTod said. They’ve known for at least ten years that there were certain steps they’d have to take to stay here and they couldn’t be bothered–why is this our problem?
Michelle–
I had no idea you were heading into Madison or I would’ve driven up to see your talk. Next time you swing by the Berkeley of Wisconsin, let me know or Steve at norunnyeggs.com so we local bloggers can come see and hobnob.
Doc
Michelle, you got some of the Ann Coulter University Treatment. They used their basic liberal debating tools except for food projectiles. Once again we see diversity at work. It promises nothing but delivers incompetence and mental degeneracy. That applies to the school’s administration and faculty. The “it ain’t over’til the alien wins” incantation requires the clicking of the heels three time and for best results should be witnessed by a brave lion, a brainiac scare crow, and a tin man with an oil can.
They shouted it out in public so it had to be intelligent, right? Typical future democrats of America.
As for Senior “I want to go home,” I read some years back that Mexicans who come to America and stay here too long (not certain of the time span), when they return find themselves no longer welcome. They are considered sissies (trying to be polite here, or whatever the Mexican equivalent term is), corrupted by their stay in this country. In other words, no longer real men (or women as the case may be). I have wondered of late if there is an escape clause to that — commit a horrible crime here, then one is somehow cleansed, redeemed, and welcomed back. Sorry if that offends, but the world is a nasty place filled with vicious people and I find it wisest to have no illusions about those who come to this country illegally (or legally but with foul intent), either 7th century Islamites or 17th century Mexicans.
It sounds you acquitted yourself well in dealing with the rocket scientists who support wide open borders. I would also love to pay or contribute to the airfare of the student that wants to go back to Mexico. Maybe we could give an American citizen an opportunity to go to college instead of blocking our kids in favor of illegal invaders.
Michelle,
Last summer, I was walking the streets of Madison during a planned Anti-illegal immigrant rally in the State Capitol Square. I came across a young man with a hastily made sign reading ‘Everyone is a citizen of this country, regardless of how they got here!‘ I stopped the young man, reached into my pocket and handed him a quarter saying “Here, this money represents 25 times what the education you possess is truly worth. There is a process for people to legally become citizens of this country and you clearly don’t understand the difference” At the time, I was wearing my US Navy Veteran’s ballcap which the young man tried to rip off my head screaming ‘Facist!‘. After he picked himself off the sidewalk, he hustled on the the counter rally, his sign and pride in shreds.
The Leftards do make things interesting in Madison.
Michelle, thank you for your recount of your visit to the intellectually challenged in Madison, Wis. one of many or any other college town in America these days. It’s such crying shame to see this country fall apart by liberals.
Just my personality and possibly lack of intelligence on my part, but i have to ask if not rhetorically in it’s self, why does the right, the conservatives, not put a stop to being pushed around by these indignant specks of feces. Is it not hypocritical of us to be willing to die and fight for the freedoms of another country but reluctant to lift a hand to these unamerican twerps and defend our rights as Americans? These punks are bully’s as along as they can bully, $ to a dough nut smack a few up the side of the head and the anti-american demonstrations will stop.
Prediction…if these a$$wipes aren’t put in their place soon possibly by the way i stated it will result in much worse terms down the road. Good Americans will only take so much of these whiny POS before they will go home to mom and dad crying.
These left wing anti-americans maybe citizens of the US, but they definitely aren’t Americans.
Good Americans will only take so much from from these whiny POS before they will go home to mom and dad crying.
wheew…better.
Michelle, I apologize for not telling you to start my post, I am thankful you got home safely and out of harms way. You are a true ‘Patriot’, Thank You
Too bad I was busy today, or I would have been in Madison.
I apologize for my fellow Wisconsinites, many of whom refer to Mad-Town as “40 square miles surrounded by reality.”
Michelle, you really have a pair. My (our heroine). Some of those folks need to have the dog s**t knocked out of them.
Thanks so much for coming to Madison, Michelle. You spoke and made your point very well and I think you may have been the best conservative speaker I’ve had the pleasure of seeing on campus since I started going there.
It’s worth remembering that UW Madison is the site of the Sterling Hall bombing back in 1970 in which anti-war protestors/terrorists bombed a building housing the Army Math Research center, killing one and wounding four, one of whom was permanently maimed. None of the victims had anything to do with the Army Math Research center. The terrorists used a 2000 pound fertilizer bomb, akin to the bomb Muslim terrorists used in the 2003 attack on the World Trade Center. When the bombers were released from prison, they were hailed as heroes by the radical community in Madison and expressed no remorse. In fact, the lead bomber said he’d do it again.
I often travel to Europe and wonder sometimes on return how these leftists behave at the ICE airport booths - do they land with ‘No human is illegal’ or ‘Everyone should be welcome’ signs. Or do they meekly submit to the ‘authorities’ and show their documents like rest of us. I think they don’t have real guts beyond their left-dominated campuses beyond which they retreat to their elitist lives, festering in their profanities.
Thanks EQ01. (Except it’s 62 square miles)
I was thinking the same thing. I work in that lovely bastion of liberal thought everyday. Luckily I am able to sequester myself in an office and insulate myself from contact with these prizes.
Typical Libtard to yell out insults during your talk.
Michelle, I too wish I had known you were in town. Would have loved to have listened to your talk. And maybe smack a lib while I was at it.
You were near my neck of the woods and nobody told me? Like Doc, I would’ve gladly done the just-over-an-hour drive, as would a lot of the right side of the Cheddarsphere.
Durn it; you even missed Uncle Jimbo (though he has been on the National Heroes Tour the last couple of weeks).
Hi Michelle. You deal with hecklers and even the most extreme of the unhinged left very well. But I see it hurts you to be called the b and c words and ho not to mention racial stereotypes like you’re a “sex worker” or mail order bride. Some thoughts on being hurt by that. Well I think of John Wayne talking at a college, a student yelled at him “F**K YOU!”, and he replied as only John Wayne could, “Well, f**k you too, young lady”. But dealing with the hurt. You typically reply “I hope that made you feel better”. Which is very good, right on. Because that’s all it’s about, they’re trying to make themselves feel better. When they smear you, that’s not meant to be a persuasive argument. It has no content at all. It’s funny those who insist others are denigrating them because of their color turn around and denigrate your ethnicity. That is so twisted. Projection. But I wanted to get to your hurt. It’s a sore point for you I know. It’s because it’s against your values to fight back in kind. As a conservative I believe, and suppose you do as well, we should hate the sin but love the sinner. You will condemn someone’s actions but not disparage the person himself, as there is always room for change and redemption. So like when Cheney said to Leahy, “Go f**k yourself”, that’s wrong to say and you know it. It would feel great to do it once though, wouldn’t it? Those college students would fall out of their chairs. Love you, Michelle. Keep it up. No need to betray your own personal values even while there are those who try to hurt you with all their verbal force. They’d love for you to betray your values. That’s a win for them. It’s twisted, but that’s how they think.
#25 SeniorD,
I would have paid to see that!
People!
The proper time to be in Madison for speeching, book signings, etc is on Wednesdays! This goes for you too Jonah Goldberg!
The thing about Madison is that it’s so unlike most of Wisconsin, and with the exception of inner-city Milwaukee, the entire state is pretty much conservative. The republicans really gave Kerry a run for his money there in 2004.
But yeah, Michelle, it’s a liberal campus, and apparently filled with sniveling minorities and liberals who suffer from white guilt. That’s basically to be expected at any university.
As atheist comedian Pat Condell said: Here in the West, we only say what should think others would like to hear, not what we REALLY feel.
It’s so easy to live on campus and be protected from the realities of life.
When I was in college I had some pretty unrealistic ideas too, but now that I am working and paying taxes, I have a completely different point of view.
A lot of the students forget that these two students are adults. They and their parents have known for years that they could be deported. There are consequences to ignoring the laws and promises that they made.
This is the same mentality that argues for bailing out people defaulting on mortgages, contracts,and other obligations.
At some point, you have to pay the piper.
How you maintain your cool time after time in the face of this sort of thing is a wonder.