Seattle follies: Obama supporters boo Pledge of Allegiance, Hillary-promoting celeb Sean Astin derides “Barack Hussein Obama”
Ah, Seattle. Dear old Seattle. Moonbatty to the core. Eli Sanders at the left-wing Stranger chronicles the legislative caucus in the 43rd district (McDerm territory):
When Clinton’s surrogate finally showed up he was… Sean Astin??? Yes, the man who played Samwise Gangee in Lord of the Rings had flown up to rally the Hillary Clinton troops. Which made very little sense, given that the type of people who show up for legislative district caucuses on a Saturday don’t really need a celebrity (or semi-celebrity) to motivate them to take political action.
Astin’s speech was most memorable for this line: “Should Obama get the nomination I will become a massive Barack Hussein Obama supporter.”
As you know, I am not a fan of this tactic. But let’s see if the punditocracy and politicos are consistent. When conservative talk show host Bill Cunningham referred to Obama the same way Astin did, he was drummed out of the McCain camp.
What will Hillary do?
Sanders continues:
Hussein? Eyebrows shot up. Brows furrowed. Heads turned. A friend in the audience texted me: “Hussein!?” I’m not sure what Astin was up to with that line, but someone probably should have told him that Seattle’s 43rd District is the last place in the U.S. where subliminal messaging around Obama’s middle name is likely to move Democrats toward Clinton.
Heh. Indeed.
The crowning moment:
Further proof of this: There was some time to kill as multiple tallies of the delegates and alternates were done, and when the time-killer of taking audience questions had run its course and the idea of teling jokes had been nixed, someone suggested doing the Pledge of Allegiance to pass the time. (Are you listening, right-wing bloggers? This is going to get good.)
At the mere mention of doing the pledge there were groans and boos. Then, when the district chair put the idea of doing the Pledge of Allegiance up to a vote, it was overwhelmingly voted down. One might more accurately say the idea of pledging allegiance to the flag (of which there was only one in the room, by the way, on some delegate’s hat) was shouted down.
Can’t wait for the Democrat National Convention…
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How much do you really know about Obama (or any of us)? How much of what granite discusses is just “wild speculation” or “arbitrary conjecture?” It’s hard to do a lot of research on a person who really doesn’t know who/what he actually is (Obama).
Yet, how are you an authority of what is or is not “proveable.” How far are you willing to defend someone you think you “might know?” I find your concept of “you’re wrong” contrariness interesting since you’ve taken on the mantle of Obama defender.
No, if you’re going to take on the mantle of “Obama defender,” then apologizing and rationalizing are one in the same. You seem confident that granite’s assertions are untrue. Why is that? Do you really know the truth? Or how it has been shaped by both the MSM and Obama himself.
I, personally, don’t think Obama is a Muslim, but who says? Me? You? Politicians, like many people, hide their true face from the world. The man also smokes which is interesting since he’s making a case for universal health insurance.
Granite has already admitted that his belief is a “theory.” As I’ve noticed, a theory doesn’t need to be proven. People can create theories (such as lgm) without proving squat. I guess you’d have to “dismiss” whole academic fields if that was the case. Evolution was a “theory” at one time until further analysis and scientific observation were implemented.
I’m surprised, Chaps, that you don’t want to look deeper into this question, given you’re a person of “deep thought.” Then again, if most Obama supporters looked deeper, they probably would not find much, would they?
“Is there literally anything he could do to prove to you that he is a Christian? Anything?”
I don’t know if there is any Taqiyya involved.
One of the advantages of the side that employs deception is having its adversary (us and the some of the rest of the West) believe that it in fact does not pose a threat.
That’s why dismissers and deniers of the threat (whether willingly/knowingly or not is immaterial) are of so much value to our enemy.
Back to topic, Obama does not have to prove a thing to me.
The possibility of Taqiyya is only one reason why I do not feel safe with him as President.
Even if he did try to prove it, that would not be the whole point.
The fact that some radical Muslim loons could pronounce a worldwide fatwa on Obama (which would become even MORE likely if he were to “prove” himself a Christian), even if only some of these savages in fact considered him to be an apostate, regardless of what he considered himself; and regardless of what the rest of us considered him, would imperil him and those around him from the moment the fatwa was pronounced, for the rest of his life.
It’s tough enough for the Secret Service, the Armed Froces, police, and the rest of us to protect the President and his family…why should the task be made significantly more difficult and dangerous?
#89 On April 7th, 2008 at 4:32 pm, emjem24 said:
“Please, prove granite wrong. Otherwise, you’re just an Obama apologist.”
No, no,emjem – you cannot ask someone to prove a negative, which is virtually impossible.
The best theories provide compelling evidence. Not proof, mind you, but at least evidence. What granite is doing is cherry picking certain aspects of or incidents in Obama’s life (most of which like his middle name, his father’s religion, what school he went to…he had no control over) while either 1) ignoring the mountains of evidence to the contrary or 2) using circular arguments (Taqiyya) to dismiss the evidence to the contrary.
That’s just poor science.
#90 On April 7th, 2008 at 4:39 pm:
“But what I do object to is making an argument against Obama based on wild speculation and arbitrary conjecture.”
Wild and arbitrary in your opinion – a reasonable try at creating a straw man, by dismissing and demeaning your discussion opponent.
Object away….
I listed a number of coincidences; and I do not recall any of them being proven false.
You do not (for God knows what reason) find the occurrence of all these coincidences unusual or troubling; and you mock anyone who is troubled by them, and thus has legitimate concerns..we are, after all, in a (undeclared) war.
“And all I have said is that Granite’s “proof” is laughable.”
For the ?third ?fourth ?fifth (I’ve lost count), time, I said that I did not have proof.
I said there was reasonable cause for concern.
On the other hand, you essentially declare that all these coincidences are no cause for concern.
Another nice try at creating a straw man, by the way.
Is that the best you’ve got?
I do not recall cherry-picking his middle name anywhere.
I said that there is nothing wrong in using his full name when referring to him.
Do you know what Straw Man means? Because I see that thrown around a lot here and very rarely is it used correctly.
But you are correct re: “proof”. You did not submit laughable proof you submitted laughable evidence.
“straw man”
from dictionary.com:
“2. a weak or sham argument set up to be easily refuted”
So, what’s your point?
You may find it laughable.
As I said in a post above:
“This blather about “Manchurian candidate” concerns is exactly – exactly… – the type of dismissive rhetoric employed by the useful-idiot, fellow-traveling, Soviet apologists during the cold war to excuse, rationalize, explain away, – and, of course, to dismiss – any and all Communist atrocities, crimes, and threats….”
So, have a ball, dismiss, deny, ridicule,…in fact, have a laugh fest.
I’ve seen it before, and I’m seeing it again now.
Some things never change….
Those of you who deny that the Democrat candidate for President formerly known as Barry Soetoro is a muslim: choke on my syllogism.
A single recitation of the shahadah makes you a muslim.
Obama recited the shahadah (in flawless arabic, no less.)
Therefore, Obama is a muslim.
Did you conveniently stop reading after the first paragraph? Must be, cause apparently you missed the “seven critical conditions” of the Shahadah, which if not present make it meaningless:
* Al-`Ilm: Knowledge of the meaning of the Shahadah, its negation and affirmation.
* Al-Yaqeen: Certainty – perfect knowledge of it that counteracts suspicion and doubt.
* Al-Ikhlaas: Sincerity which negates shirk.
* Al-Sidq: Truthfulness that permits neither falsehood nor hypocrisy.
* Al-Mahabbah: Love of the Shahadah and its meaning, and being happy with it.
* Al-Inqiad: Submission to its rightful requirements, which are the duties that must be performed with sincerity to God (alone) seeking His pleasure.
* Al-Qubool: Acceptance that contradicts rejection.
Show me how you can deduce these things from two sentences in a NYT article.
But keep grasping at those straws. Keep grasping.
I am sure Obama is losing a ton of sleep worrying about losing the vote of a few folks harboring loony conspiracy theories that no objective, right-minded person would even deign to entertain.
So good night and good luck.
When a footnote in a wikipedia article is labeled “citation needed,” it means that the assertion is not backed up by a authoritative source.
Like it or not, Barry O’s status as a muslim is certainly debatable.
Bet your ass he is.
Remember ol’ Howard Dean, and his statement that his party had to try harder to get the good ol’ boys with dixie flags in the rear windows of their pick-up trucks to vote democrat?
All the objective conditions have already been met, so it all boils down to what’s in his heart. Was his verbatim recitation (in arabic) sincere? Let’s see…
Everyone in his family is a muslim, he studied the koran, he attended mosque with his step father, he can cite the shahadah by heart in arabic… but he’s not a muslim.
Ok.
Prime director:
Sort of related to part of this thread:
Check out Atlas Shrugs.com.
There’s a reference to an article at Infidels Are Cool that claims that Obama’s “pastor” Wright is a former Muslim.
Hmmmm….
If that’s confirmed, that could be an extremely interesting story.
Rock-solid find, Granite.
I won’t be all that suprised if and when Obama is likewise unmasked as a “former” (read apostate) muslim.
“Everyone in his family is Muslim?” D
Do you know this to be a fact, or is this conjecture? Or more likely, are taking one thing that we know about him and expanding it to be all encompassing?
More interesting is how many people want to have it both ways. They want Obama to share exactly the same views as his Christian pastor, while they also want him to be a devout Muslim. So that makes him a Christian Muslim? Or a Muslim Christian?
But wait, there’s more. Now they want us to believe that his Christian pastor is in fact a secret Muslim also.
Talk about unhinged.
“Rock-solid find”?
He-said-that-she-said is a “rock-solid find”? To some, truth exists once the words are spoken.
sigh… fine.
Not everone.
Just his grandmother, his grandfather, his father, his step-father and his brother.
And probably a bunch of others; I haven’t taken the time to research the matter.
“My whole family was Muslim, and most of the people I knew were Muslim,” said Maya Soetoro-Ng, Mr. Obama’s younger half sister.
It makes him an opportunist.
Since it is politically expedient to be a CHRISTIAN when seeking Major public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background.
The honorable Reverend Wright is a particular kind of muslim: a former, or apostate, muslim.
So is Barry O.
Rock-solid find… Granite.
How many times do you think young Barry Soetoro had to recite the shahadah before he memorized it?
Did he ever mean it, even once?
’cause if he did…
Are you questioning the veracity of the article’s author, The New Republic’s Senior Editor, Ryan Lizza?
MSNBC’s Brian Williams Calls Ryan Lizza “Required Reading.”
Like how you believe Barry Soetoro when he claims that he is not now nor has he ever been a muslim?
I find it laughable that so many Obama supporters readily soak up his inspirational words but fail to make a closer inspection of what his plans might comprise.
No matter how you crack it, there are real questions about Obama, not only about what he believes but who and what he actually represents. I have a problem with a person who so easily wants to have a “chat” with a country like Iran rather than help its neighbor Iraq become a strong and independent country that will be impervious to things like Iranian influence.
Rusty said:
I daresay that Harry Hitler Truman would not have been elected for the very reasons that we are discussing. There is no getting away from the fact that Hussein is his middle name. If he takes the oath of office, will he drop it then too?
He would be better served by demonstrating his allegiance to the country, i.e. not having Pledge of Allegiance or flag issues, and denouncing his pastor’s racism, than getting whiney about his middle name.