If Harry S Truman’s middle name was “Hitler” instead of the letter “S,” callimg him “Harry Hitler Truman” would certainly be out of bounds.

I daresay that Harry Hitler Truman would not have been elected for the very reasons that we are discussing. There is no getting away from the fact that Hussein is his middle name. If he takes the oath of office, will he drop it then too?

He would be better served by demonstrating his allegiance to the country, i.e. not having Pledge of Allegiance or flag issues, and denouncing his pastor’s racism, than getting whiney about his middle name.

chapoutier said:
Do you know what Straw Man means? Because I see that thrown around a lot here and very rarely is it used correctly.

But you are correct re: “proof”. You did not submit laughable proof you submitted laughable evidence.

I find it laughable that so many Obama supporters readily soak up his inspirational words but fail to make a closer inspection of what his plans might comprise.

No matter how you crack it, there are real questions about Obama, not only about what he believes but who and what he actually represents. I have a problem with a person who so easily wants to have a “chat” with a country like Iran rather than help its neighbor Iraq become a strong and independent country that will be impervious to things like Iranian influence.

He-said-that-she-said is a “rock-solid find”?

Are you questioning the veracity of the article’s author, The New Republic’s Senior Editor, Ryan Lizza?

MSNBC’s Brian Williams Calls Ryan Lizza “Required Reading.”

To some, truth exists once the words are spoken.

Like how you believe Barry Soetoro when he claims that he is not now nor has he ever been a muslim?

Did he ever mean it, even once?

’cause if he did…

“Everyone in his family is Muslim?”

sigh… fine.

Not everone.

Just his grandmother, his grandfather, his father, his step-father and his brother.

And probably a bunch of others; I haven’t taken the time to research the matter.

“My whole family was Muslim, and most of the people I knew were Muslim,” said Maya Soetoro-Ng, Mr. Obama’s younger half sister.

More interesting is how many people want to have it both ways. They want Obama to share exactly the same views as his Christian pastor, while they also want him to be a devout Muslim. So that makes him a Christian Muslim? Or a Muslim Christian.

It makes him an opportunist.

Since it is politically expedient to be a CHRISTIAN when seeking Major public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background.

But wait, there’s more. Now they want us to believe that his Christian pastor is in fact a secret Muslim also.

The honorable Reverend Wright is a particular kind of muslim: a former, or apostate, muslim.

So is Barry O.

“Rock-solid find”?

Rock-solid find… Granite.

He-said-that-she-said is a “rock-solid find”? To some, truth exists once the words are spoken.

Everyone in his family is a muslim, he studied the koran, he attended mosque with his step father, he can cite the shahadah by heart in arabic… but he’s not a muslim.

Ok.

“Everyone in his family is Muslim?” D

Do you know this to be a fact, or is this conjecture? Or more likely, are taking one thing that we know about him and expanding it to be all encompassing?

More interesting is how many people want to have it both ways. They want Obama to share exactly the same views as his Christian pastor, while they also want him to be a devout Muslim. So that makes him a Christian Muslim? Or a Muslim Christian?

But wait, there’s more. Now they want us to believe that his Christian pastor is in fact a secret Muslim also.

Talk about unhinged.

On March 9, 2007, TNR wrote:

Wright was a former Muslim and black nationalist who had studied at Howard and Chicago, and Trinity’s guiding principles–what the church calls the “Black Value System”–included a “Disavowal of the Pursuit of Middleclassness.’”

Rock-solid find, Granite.

I won’t be all that suprised if and when Obama is likewise unmasked as a “former” (read apostate) muslim.

Sort of related to part of this thread:

Check out Atlas Shrugs.com.
There’s a reference to an article at Infidels Are Cool that claims that Obama’s “pastor” Wright is a former Muslim.
Hmmmm….
If that’s confirmed, that could be an extremely interesting story.

Did you conveniently stop reading after the first paragraph? Must be, cause apparently you missed the “seven critical conditions” of the Shahadah, which if not present make it meaningless:

All the objective conditions have already been met, so it all boils down to what’s in his heart. Was his verbatim recitation (in arabic) sincere? Let’s see…

Everyone in his family is a muslim, he studied the koran, he attended mosque with his step father, he can cite the shahadah by heart in arabic… but he’s not a muslim.

Ok.

There are seven critical conditions of the Shahadah, without which it is considered to be meaningless:[citation needed]

When a footnote in a wikipedia article is labeled “citation needed,” it means that the assertion is not backed up by a authoritative source.

Like it or not, Barry O’s status as a muslim is certainly debatable.

I am sure Obama is losing a ton of sleep worrying about losing the vote of a few folks harboring loony conspiracy theories that no objective, right-minded person would even deign to entertain.

Bet your ass he is.

Remember ol’ Howard Dean, and his statement that his party had to try harder to get the good ol’ boys with dixie flags in the rear windows of their pick-up trucks to vote democrat?

A single recitation of the shahadah makes you a muslim.

Did you conveniently stop reading after the first paragraph? Must be, cause apparently you missed the “seven critical conditions” of the Shahadah, which if not present make it meaningless:

* Al-`Ilm: Knowledge of the meaning of the Shahadah, its negation and affirmation.
* Al-Yaqeen: Certainty – perfect knowledge of it that counteracts suspicion and doubt.
* Al-Ikhlaas: Sincerity which negates shirk.
* Al-Sidq: Truthfulness that permits neither falsehood nor hypocrisy.
* Al-Mahabbah: Love of the Shahadah and its meaning, and being happy with it.
* Al-Inqiad: Submission to its rightful requirements, which are the duties that must be performed with sincerity to God (alone) seeking His pleasure.
* Al-Qubool: Acceptance that contradicts rejection.

Show me how you can deduce these things from two sentences in a NYT article.

But keep grasping at those straws. Keep grasping.

I am sure Obama is losing a ton of sleep worrying about losing the vote of a few folks harboring loony conspiracy theories that no objective, right-minded person would even deign to entertain.

So good night and good luck.