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	<title>Comments on: Hey, remember when I praised McCain&#8217;s housing stance? Forget it Update: Latest Senate subprime boondoggle passes, 84-12; Update: Roll call vote added</title>
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		<title>By: Idiot Senate &#171; Truth, Lies and In Between</title>
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		<dc:creator>Idiot Senate &#171; Truth, Lies and In Between</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 00:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  Everyone else is a moron. Including the three idiots that are running for president. More at Michelle Malkin  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michelle Malkin &#187; Bailout Culture</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle Malkin &#187; Bailout Culture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you know what? That&#8217;s another moral hazard right there. If politicians can get away with advocating socialist solutions to our problems and then suffer no political [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Senate has Failed Again &#171; Truth, Lies and In Between</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Senate has Failed Again &#171; Truth, Lies and In Between</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] else is a moron. Including the three idiots that are running for president. More at Michelle Malkin  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mr.J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr.J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happened to the concept of &quot;less&quot; government, not &quot;more&quot;?  (That is still a concept, isn&#039;t it?)

We don&#039;t just have *some* Rinos in the republican party anymore.  The whole party is RINO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happened to the concept of &#8220;less&#8221; government, not &#8220;more&#8221;?  (That is still a concept, isn&#8217;t it?)</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t just have *some* Rinos in the republican party anymore.  The whole party is RINO.</p>
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		<title>By: YoungAndRestless</title>
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		<dc:creator>YoungAndRestless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn&#039;t about saving homeowners it&#039;s about saving the banks and homebuilders.  Truthfully, Congress would just like us to pretend they care about our fellow citizens, when in reality they slip all sorts of provisions into the bill that are blatent benefits to corporations. 

From Reuters...&lt;blockquote&gt;The U.S. Senate on Thursday voted overwhelmingly to approve a $15 billion bill tackling the nation&#039;s housing market crisis with tax breaks for corporations and some assistance for distressed homeowners.&lt;/blockquote&gt;...&lt;blockquote&gt;the Senate bill would give a $6 billion tax break to home builders by temporarily extending a rule that lets businesses count current losses against taxes from prior profitable years.  The National Association of Home Builders in January took the unusual step of halting all congressional campaign contributions after a tax break like the one in the new housing bill was dropped from an earlier economic stimulus package.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Transparent, isn&#039;t it?  No campaign contributions... oh let&#039;s have a law that gives them a lot in tax-breaks, even though home builders have been profitable for beyond 4 years... so this means they would be able to get more tax money back.  

This is criminal, and this should be the focus of your posting Michelle.  Do these blatent &quot;steal from the taxpayer give to the corporation&quot; provisions stay in the bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t about saving homeowners it&#8217;s about saving the banks and homebuilders.  Truthfully, Congress would just like us to pretend they care about our fellow citizens, when in reality they slip all sorts of provisions into the bill that are blatent benefits to corporations. </p>
<p>From Reuters&#8230;<br />
<blockquote>The U.S. Senate on Thursday voted overwhelmingly to approve a $15 billion bill tackling the nation&#8217;s housing market crisis with tax breaks for corporations and some assistance for distressed homeowners.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230;<br />
<blockquote>the Senate bill would give a $6 billion tax break to home builders by temporarily extending a rule that lets businesses count current losses against taxes from prior profitable years.  The National Association of Home Builders in January took the unusual step of halting all congressional campaign contributions after a tax break like the one in the new housing bill was dropped from an earlier economic stimulus package.</p></blockquote>
<p>Transparent, isn&#8217;t it?  No campaign contributions&#8230; oh let&#8217;s have a law that gives them a lot in tax-breaks, even though home builders have been profitable for beyond 4 years&#8230; so this means they would be able to get more tax money back.  </p>
<p>This is criminal, and this should be the focus of your posting Michelle.  Do these blatent &#8220;steal from the taxpayer give to the corporation&#8221; provisions stay in the bill.</p>
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		<title>By: Irish Rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irish Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#39 Regulus

GREAT post, thank you for inserting some compassion and intelligence into this thread.</description>
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<p>GREAT post, thank you for inserting some compassion and intelligence into this thread.</p>
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		<title>By: emjem24</title>
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		<dc:creator>emjem24</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When did Americans and their enabler politicians get the idea that the federal government can save everybody? The federal government (and the states) have pored billions of taxpayer money into public education for what? Americans are more uninformed than ever. 

The Washington politicians get billions of dollars in pork barrel projects inserted into bills that will only benefit their consitutuents but not the American public at large. Where&#039;s the money from the general fund that was supposed to go to Social Security and other social entitlement programs?

When will Americans stop going to greedy politicians whining for help when they were the ones that made the bad choices, along with the mortgage, banking, construction, and real estate industries, to begin with? When Obummer says that McCain is just a continuation of &quot;you&#039;re on your own&quot; policies I just want to scream.

If you&#039;re a responsible, sensible, financially solvent taxpayer, yeah, you&#039;re on your own. You&#039;ll be the one who pays for this housing boondoggle so that irresponsible whiners (such as those who could never have payed off their mortgages) get a free ride. If Americans want this, we&#039;re in more trouble then we thought.

Welcome to George Soros&#039; version of a socialist paradise. Me and mine get to earn a living so that dirty state and federal politicians and their constitutents get to take away my success, accomplishments, and say over how I spend my money. How fair is that? What about us? What did we do to deserve this?

I hear there are some trailers in Hope, Arkansas where some of these whiners can make a brand new start out of bankruptcy... :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When did Americans and their enabler politicians get the idea that the federal government can save everybody? The federal government (and the states) have pored billions of taxpayer money into public education for what? Americans are more uninformed than ever. </p>
<p>The Washington politicians get billions of dollars in pork barrel projects inserted into bills that will only benefit their consitutuents but not the American public at large. Where&#8217;s the money from the general fund that was supposed to go to Social Security and other social entitlement programs?</p>
<p>When will Americans stop going to greedy politicians whining for help when they were the ones that made the bad choices, along with the mortgage, banking, construction, and real estate industries, to begin with? When Obummer says that McCain is just a continuation of &#8220;you&#8217;re on your own&#8221; policies I just want to scream.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re a responsible, sensible, financially solvent taxpayer, yeah, you&#8217;re on your own. You&#8217;ll be the one who pays for this housing boondoggle so that irresponsible whiners (such as those who could never have payed off their mortgages) get a free ride. If Americans want this, we&#8217;re in more trouble then we thought.</p>
<p>Welcome to George Soros&#8217; version of a socialist paradise. Me and mine get to earn a living so that dirty state and federal politicians and their constitutents get to take away my success, accomplishments, and say over how I spend my money. How fair is that? What about us? What did we do to deserve this?</p>
<p>I hear there are some trailers in Hope, Arkansas where some of these whiners can make a brand new start out of bankruptcy&#8230; <img src='http://michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: McCain flips on subprime</title>
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		<dc:creator>McCain flips on subprime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] bitched about Romney&#8217;s flipping, but at least he always ended up on the right side of issues. McCain&#8217;s gone pure Democrat on this one (as [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Boomer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michelle thanks for providing the roll call of the vote.  It appears my pounding and that of my neighbors on Senator Crapo worked.  “Wide stance” Craig continues to be a disappointment though.  Can’t wait for that lying sack of excrement to leave the Senate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michelle thanks for providing the roll call of the vote.  It appears my pounding and that of my neighbors on Senator Crapo worked.  “Wide stance” Craig continues to be a disappointment though.  Can’t wait for that lying sack of excrement to leave the Senate.</p>
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		<title>By: jamesgreenidge</title>
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		<dc:creator>jamesgreenidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; On April 10th, 2008 at 8:02 pm, Regulus said:

I’m paying for things like Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid taxes because of the failure or inability of many people to adequately prepare for their retirement or to provide for their own health care...like welfare and food stamps and methadone treatments at homeless shelters because of the failure or inability of some people to prepare themselves to make it own their own in the free market, or because they made idiotic decisions.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

We haven&#039;t seen anything yet if the Socialists come to power and saddle us with &lt;strong&gt;_irreversible_&lt;/strong&gt; social programs (operative word here, folks -- it&#039;d be something no next term Conservative Prez or whoever will EVER get rid of!). Here in Jamaica Queens, the largest black community outside Washington D.C., you cannot believe the sentiment for _free universal housing_ on top of food. Forget killing a sense of self-reliance, this will also sap the incentive of black youth to work much less excell at school. But the Socialists know (sadly) black Americans will overwhelmingly eat this notion up. If you don&#039;t care about your wallets and want to promote such a wish one day, just help the Socialists into office. There&#039;s no if-ands-buts or stuck-up pride crap here. Look, I&#039;m a hardcore Thompson guy but my man flunked out, but I damn sure aren&#039;t going to help put the Socialists on the throne to raise Cain with my taxes and lower this country&#039;s general sense of worth and self-esteem.

James Greenidge
Queens NY</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> On April 10th, 2008 at 8:02 pm, Regulus said:</p>
<p>I’m paying for things like Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid taxes because of the failure or inability of many people to adequately prepare for their retirement or to provide for their own health care&#8230;like welfare and food stamps and methadone treatments at homeless shelters because of the failure or inability of some people to prepare themselves to make it own their own in the free market, or because they made idiotic decisions.</p></blockquote>
<p>We haven&#8217;t seen anything yet if the Socialists come to power and saddle us with <strong>_irreversible_</strong> social programs (operative word here, folks &#8212; it&#8217;d be something no next term Conservative Prez or whoever will EVER get rid of!). Here in Jamaica Queens, the largest black community outside Washington D.C., you cannot believe the sentiment for _free universal housing_ on top of food. Forget killing a sense of self-reliance, this will also sap the incentive of black youth to work much less excell at school. But the Socialists know (sadly) black Americans will overwhelmingly eat this notion up. If you don&#8217;t care about your wallets and want to promote such a wish one day, just help the Socialists into office. There&#8217;s no if-ands-buts or stuck-up pride crap here. Look, I&#8217;m a hardcore Thompson guy but my man flunked out, but I damn sure aren&#8217;t going to help put the Socialists on the throne to raise Cain with my taxes and lower this country&#8217;s general sense of worth and self-esteem.</p>
<p>James Greenidge<br />
Queens NY</p>
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		<title>By: michele hampton</title>
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		<dc:creator>michele hampton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t believe it, Hagel and Warner voted &quot;no&quot;.  My two Senators voted &quot;yes&quot;, Martinez and Nelson, I am so proud. (sarc off)

We are in big trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe it, Hagel and Warner voted &#8220;no&#8221;.  My two Senators voted &#8220;yes&#8221;, Martinez and Nelson, I am so proud. (sarc off)</p>
<p>We are in big trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveC</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Mookie..

I was kinda shuddering to actually have to check out the NYT.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mookie..</p>
<p>I was kinda shuddering to actually have to check out the NYT.  <img src='http://michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: conservativesRus</title>
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		<dc:creator>conservativesRus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; On April 10th, 2008 at 3:51 pm, Romeo13 said:

Hmmm… not so sure I have a problem with this one..

It does NOT give money to banks, or builders, or even people who got a bad loan…

Its more like a VHA loan refinance… they will still have to get a new loan, and ensure they can pay it. Just gonna help with those ballooning interest rates by giving them a bit more leverage to get a fixed rate loan.

Of all the plans so far, this is the least objectionable by far.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The problem is simple actually.  Do we want the government re-writing private contracts?  I don&#039;t.  Two private entities wrote a contract (maybe flawed - maybe quite flawed but still a private contract).  Now because the private contract didn&#039;t go well, the politicians (very few of whom actually know anything about economics - they are lawyers mostly) want to step in and re-write the contract.  That is BAD POLICY.

Remember - these are the same politicians who want to know things like if the mars rover will drive past the flag left on the moon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> On April 10th, 2008 at 3:51 pm, Romeo13 said:</p>
<p>Hmmm… not so sure I have a problem with this one..</p>
<p>It does NOT give money to banks, or builders, or even people who got a bad loan…</p>
<p>Its more like a VHA loan refinance… they will still have to get a new loan, and ensure they can pay it. Just gonna help with those ballooning interest rates by giving them a bit more leverage to get a fixed rate loan.</p>
<p>Of all the plans so far, this is the least objectionable by far.
</p></blockquote>
<p>The problem is simple actually.  Do we want the government re-writing private contracts?  I don&#8217;t.  Two private entities wrote a contract (maybe flawed &#8211; maybe quite flawed but still a private contract).  Now because the private contract didn&#8217;t go well, the politicians (very few of whom actually know anything about economics &#8211; they are lawyers mostly) want to step in and re-write the contract.  That is BAD POLICY.</p>
<p>Remember &#8211; these are the same politicians who want to know things like if the mars rover will drive past the flag left on the moon.</p>
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		<title>By: conservativesRus</title>
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		<dc:creator>conservativesRus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ugh - their -&gt; there  (serves me right for ranting before I&#039;m awake)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ugh &#8211; their -&gt; there  (serves me right for ranting before I&#8217;m awake)</p>
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		<title>By: conservativesRus</title>
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		<dc:creator>conservativesRus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just re-read my pocket constitution with amendments and I don&#039;t see home ownership as a right.  Actually, I don&#039;t see any mention of &quot;the American dream&quot; in their either.

If you want to see how well this bailout will work, just look at Katrina.  Or more currently - look at how well they are doing in the air passenger market.  Completely unrelated events - but still government handled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just re-read my pocket constitution with amendments and I don&#8217;t see home ownership as a right.  Actually, I don&#8217;t see any mention of &#8220;the American dream&#8221; in their either.</p>
<p>If you want to see how well this bailout will work, just look at Katrina.  Or more currently &#8211; look at how well they are doing in the air passenger market.  Completely unrelated events &#8211; but still government handled.</p>
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