Comments on: College student stands up for police, forced to apologize

By: sunandsteel

sunandsteel — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:42:26 +0000

Maybe someone already said this, but I got here late so here goes.

Student makes a comment concerning a HISPANIC man calling the cops racist. Teacher says the BLACK students might find that offensive. Isnt that a little bit of racism on the teachers part? What am I missing here?

By: jcjones717

jcjones717 — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 03:37:54 +0000

Rusty #90,
My apologies to you, once I went back and read the posts by Blame Romeo13 (#17) and Tomshup (#60), I realized you had every right to make those assumptions. Some people wouldn’t know what was ethical if their life depended on it.

By: oldcollegeguy1980

oldcollegeguy1980 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:55:32 +0000

As a current student at a university, and a retired Air Force member I would not “apologize” for the comments above, as they are stated here. It appears that the purpose of this class is not education and understanding but indoctrination of a philosophy which position the authorities, in this case the police as wrong. This is a common tact many on the left continue to attempt to utilize, by doing so they frame the arguments and stack the deck against anyone attempting to contradict their argument.
As conservatives we must learn not to accept arguments based on liberal premises. This is the way to confront academia. We know conservatism wins, but too often we lack the debating skills in this arena to confront the left. Specifically as students, conservatives often fear retribution in their grades. I submit that a grade from a liberal professor or in many cases, an associate or adjunct, is not worth my principals. If the professor lowers a student’s grade then, that is simply another opportunity to out a vindictive liberal.
In the arena of ideas we cannot give grounds to liberals. We must fully and without emotion articulate our positions. That is how we win.

By: Mooseman

Mooseman — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:17:52 +0000

On April 15th, 2008 at 10:38 am, mojoe said:

Why am I in this handbasket and where am I going?

and why is it getting so warm?

By: publiuswarmac9999

publiuswarmac9999 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:33:49 +0000

The problem is that academe refuses to admit that it is horribly biased to the left – even though there is ample evidence. To be honest, no liberal professor is willing to engage in a debate with a conservative unless the conservative can be controlled or diminished in some way. Mere facts are not a sufficient basis for a debate because the great majority of the time the liberal will lose. Not only is Snow a liberal but she attracts liberals who will do her bidding – snicker at and abuse anyone who disagrees with “their” side.

The fact that Snow is an admitted lesbian gives her “victim” status to be used in an way under any circumstance. “I am a lesbian so I know what it feels like to be treated in a racist, sexist, etc. manner”. That, of course, is a logical fallacy, but that is the nature of liberalism.

By: jellibean

jellibean — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:41:45 +0000

That apology is completely unnecessary. Sometimes it’s necessary to talk about race… how will we ever be able to engage in serious dialogue if the mere mention of race is unacceptable or taboo? Going into attack mode when someone states someone’s race in the context of a story is immature and is only making things worse.

I’ve been lucky enough that very few of my university classes have been blatantly political in a Left-Right, Conservative-Liberal way. The only classes in which my professors have preached politics from the lectern have been an Intro to Global Studies class and Psychology of Religion–the latter prof spent a considerable time Catholic-bashing as well. None of my political science professors have come close to these other two… and I’ve taken at least 12 Poli Sci classes.

By: Right_Wired

Right_Wired — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:33:15 +0000

Well this explains it:

The teacher, Nancy Snow, is a HUGE liberal and a lesbian:

http://www.marquette.edu/phil/faculty/snow.html

Nancy E. Snow is an Associate Professor of Philosophy, with research interests in moral psychology, ethical theory, and metaethics. She is currently working on a book on virtue. She has regularly taught Theory of Ethics, Philosophy of Law, and Medical Ethics, and has recently become interested in Asian Philosophy and the free will debate. Her hobbies are reading, and playing chess and go (a Japanese game). She recently learned how to swim. She and her partner, Mary Pat Kunert, enjoy their two dogs and three cats.

We already have a book on virtue. It’s called The Holy Bible.

By: Mostly Annoyed

Mostly Annoyed — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:28:47 +0000

Fortunately, most of these problems ended when I graduated from High School. Most of my college teachers were part time teachers who had full time jobs during the day and appreciated people with well thought our opinions even if they didn’t agree with them..

My 14 year old son is constantly being indoctrinated but his High School teachers who try to push their opinions and beliefs as facts without a shred of evidence. It really scares me to think there are a lot of kids that just soak their garbage up as fact. It must be, their teacher told them. Just one of my high school math teachers told me more lies than my second ex-wife did in seven years of marriage, and she told a lot of lies

By: Regulus

Regulus — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:57:33 +0000

On April 14th, 2008 at 9:15 pm, Tennessee Dave said: ... I know it’s been said before, but why does it always seem that the people who scream “tolerance” for everything under the sun are the ones with the least tolerance for ideas they don’t agree with?

Because they themselves are proto-fascists. To wit:

On April 14th, 2008 at 10:06 pm, Storm Chaser said: When I attended a graduate school orientation party, and revealed I was a Vietnam Era veteran, a chilly hush enveloped the room. Someone said “you don’t belong here you fascist. We’ll get rid of you.”

Q.E.D. Really, though, when it comes to race relations between the police and "people of color," this is the best advice I've ever seen.

By: Rusty

Rusty — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:40:52 +0000

Don’t blame me for the thread drift. A few commenters noticed on the professor’s bio page that she was a lesbian. Some have said this should disqualify her from teaching ethics (since gays can’t be ethical?) or from teaching at a Catholic school (more debatable, although I have no problem with gay teachers and professors).

This isn’t my threadjack. Blame Romeo13 (#17), Tomshup (#60), and Almeehan (#66).

By: alaskangrizzly

alaskangrizzly — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:38:20 +0000

Unfortunately most college campuses, especially public ones, have become liberal indoctrination centers. Reminds me of when I took my CCW course at my local community college. The instructor was a 24 year veteran police officer and an Army vet and the school didn’t even trust him enough to give him keys to the classroom he needed to teach out of. He had to call “campus security” which was some 18 year old kid in a golf cart to come open the door each morning for our class. It must have scared the liberal professors to death knowing that a police officer was teaching next door about gun safety while carrying a firearm concealed himself. Such is the sad state of this country and world.

Back on the original topic, if the events happened as outlined in the article then I commend the student for standing up for his fellow police officers. The professor should be the one giving the apology, but who am I kidding… pigs will fly first before that happens in liberal-land.

By: expat

expat — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:34:38 +0000

Rusty,

I am one of the new conversationalists here and already I am having to address your going outside the conversation. The discussion was about a student bringing up an incident where a police officer was being verbally accosted by a hispanic at a traffic stop. The point was the hispanic was exhibiting the “racist” talk not the cop. If the students don’t fit in with the teachers indoctrination then they don’t get the grades. What does her sexual orientation have to do with anything?

By: Rusty

Rusty — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:04:37 +0000

jcjones, read the thread more carefully.

By: tre

tre — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:04:13 +0000

Sean Hannity has said on his radio show, when college students call in complaining of intolerant liberal professors, that there is no shame in playing their game to get through the class. College isn’t the end of the world. Thus, one can’t let a intolerant liberal professor damage ones career by giving one a bad grade for failing to tell the professor what they want to hear.

By: jcjones717

jcjones717 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:40:18 +0000

Rusty,
Who said anything about professor Snow’s sexual identity? It seems that you are jumping to conclusions about how you believe that some of the people posting here think. Just because she is lesbian does not mean that we cannot criticize her lack of judgment in regards to providing a safe place for all students (conservative and liberal)to express their ideas.