College student stands up for police, forced to apologize
Welcome to “higher learning” on a typical American university campus. This PC 101 lesson comes out of Marquette University. The bottom line?
If you are a terrorist who has targeted law enforcement officers, academia will welcome you with open arms (see Ayers and Dohrn).
If, however, you are a student who simply voices support for police officers being attacked as racist, you will be…forced to apologize for making “offensive” statements.
Marquette Warrior reports:
That there is a racial double standard in academia is not news, so when a student who is a police intern defends cops against charges that they are racist, what would we expect to happen?
Exactly what happened last Thursday in Marquette’s Philosophy 151 (“History and Philosophy of Crime and Punishment”) class: the professor (one Nancy Snow) “suggested” that he apologize. Coming from an authority figure who has the power to determine your grade, such a “suggestion” is more than just a casual piece of advice.
The whole exchange got started with a class discussion of supposed “over criminalization,” the notion that government outlaws too many things, resulting in a lack of respect for the law. It then moved to a discussion of how police supposedly abuse their powers, using traffic laws as a “pretext” to stop drivers in order to, for example, search for drugs.
At this point the student, Greg Karge, chimed in to point out that police often bear the brunt of this disrespect for the law, mentioning an incident he had seen. An Hispanic who was pulled over proceeded to abuse the cops, calling them “racist.”
In spite of the fact that race was explicitly part of the context of the discussion, Snow objected to the mention of the driver’s ethnicity trying to, according to Karge, “stop me in the middle of my comment, trying to give me a wave” and then saying “why did you bring that up?” Another student remembers Snow saying “Greg, this is offensive, we have a diverse group in the room.” Another student said of Snow’s response “it surprised me because I personally didn’t find his response offensive.”
The professor extracted an apology from Karge:
After class Snow took Karge aside and told him that his comments “could have been interpreted as offensive,” mentioning especially offense to black students. She “suggested” to him that he should write an apology to the black students. Instead, he wrote the apology to the entire class. It read as follows:
I would just like to apologize for any of my comments that I said today that may have offended anyone, that was not my intention by any means. I did not articulate my argument the way that I wanted to, but that is no excuse if I did accidentally offend anyone I would like to explain myself [and] deeply apologize.
It is obvious from several accounts of the incident that Karge articulated his position in a perfectly reasonable way, but then caved to pressure from the professor. A student in the class told us “Since Greg wants to be a police officer one day, he’s been working closely with other officers. He was simply relaying these experiences to us in class, and telling us what he saw and heard during these experiences.”
In the wake of this apology, two students from the class e-mailed him to insist that he had nothing for which to apologize. Other students, responding to our e-mails, said they saw nothing offensive in his comments, one saying “I personally didn’t consider the comments offensive. I could possibly see that some might be offended at the example he chose, but the point he was trying to convey is what I was focusing on.” And another: “From my perspective, when Greg was called upon, he was explaining that it is not as though the police officers are the bad guys, but that they are only doing their jobs.”
Thus looking at police/community relations from a “minority” point of view is perfectly alright, but looking at it from a cop’s point of view is not. And saying that minorities often show hostility toward the cops is also out of bounds.
Diversity, as always, is only skin-deep in the campus grievance echo chamber.
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There should be a name for what happened to Karge. You could call it getting rustied or getting mookied.
I have to wonder if, while attending Colorado State, I was lucky enough to never experience any professors like this, or I just wasn’t aware enough to notice at the time.
But no, he had nothing to apologize for.
I keep trying to figure out what the rules for “offensive” speech are in the politically-correct world these days, but there is nothing logically consistent I can derive from all these incidents, except one: The white guy is always wrong.
You have to love the tolerance and understanding of the close minded fascists professors embedded in the hallowed halls of academia like ticks on a hound thanks to the system of tenure. The worst part is Greg Karge is paying big money for this abuse from someone that can affect his future through the power of the grade. I am so glad I spent my time suffering college classes at the Base Education Center at Travis AFB instead of a big name University.
So he relates an incident that he personally witnessed while on a ride-along and has to apologize for it? Sounds like the teacher was the only one trying to inject race in to the whole thing.
Being a law enforcement veteran myself I know for a fact that this type of thing happens all the time. Oddly when I first started in law enforcement back in the mid eighties we rarely, if ever, heard those kinds of things from suspects or just people stopped for questioning. Then, after the LA riots (Yes I was there) if you even looked at a minority they started screaming “Rodney King! Rodney King!” I really see that as the genesis of the explosion of accusations of racism directed at police officers.
Perhaps we can get an email for this ‘educator’ and help to enlighten her a bit.
Here is my apology, Sorry you are such hyper-senetive idiots that you can’t relate to real life. I will parrot the PC line untill I graduate and hopefully hever have to deal with your fantacy world ever again. Sorry again for injecting reality. I fully support free speech (as approved by the PC thought police).
I wonder if Nancy Snow has asked for Wright to appologize for his comments ?
I found them offensive and i want her to make him write me a letter of apology.
That is way out of balance. Nancy Snow was wrong. She should apologize.
As a Philadelphia Police Detective, I want to thank Greg Karge for his courage. Standing up for us is a rare thing, especially in academia.
Thank you, Greg!
I read the entire artile and the summation was:
But further up was another statement that shows the liberal mindset:
I know it’s been said before, but why does it always seem that the people who scream “tolerance” for everything under the sun are the ones with the least tolerance for ideas they don’t agree with?
It’s a double standard they live, breath, and die by.
Not really surprising. In law school any time I espoused a remotely conservative opinion it was taken as some kind of personal attack. A lot of liberals seem to lack the ability to rationally think issues through. As soon as the whiff of race is apparent, (or sex, or anything else they think is a basis of discrimination) reason exits the building and any opposing viewpoint, no matter how reasonable, is racist and you are a horrible person for having such a bigoted opinion.
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“ Didn’t I hear that somewhere else this past weekend? Nancy can’t you at least be original?
As presented, this incident was pretty unacceptable. The point of higher education is to present various viewpoints without fear of reprisal unless those views are obviously offensive. I’ve disagreed with professors and that disagreement was encouraged.
My only doubts with this story are with the article itself. It’s use of scare quotes and conjecture makes me think there may be more than meets the eye here.
I eagerly await EQ’s take on this story. A Catholic university in Wisconsin? This is right up her wheelhouse!
Couldn’t resist.
Here is her faculty page http://www.marquette.edu/phil/faculty/snow.html
Looks like we have found Deb Frisch’s successor.
Email: nancy.snow@marquette.edu
And does anyone know wth is “metaethics”? Is that some Scientology thing or what?
Higher Education = Shut Up and Agree. I am old enough to remember when actual thought was valued and spirited debate was encouraged. Now all that is required is regurgitation. Sad.
I’m sure Karge has enough class to not joke about people dying from AIDS.
Wow…
“she and her partner”….
And she teaches ETHICS??? Nothing like freedom of speech and conscience is there…
wow…
Sorry, no sale on the “forced” bit.
Thanks for the email address 31Bravo.
I let Ms “liberal scum bucket” Snow know what I thought about her and other scum like littlegirlyman destroying our kids with their pc/diversity insanity.
Bravo for Karge. Reminds me of Speech 101 I took back in 81 and a pro-life speech I gave.
Main point was that abortion was primarily used as birth control and rarely required due to rape or life of the mother. The discussion was lively, but several of the “loudest” opponents came tome afterwards and said that I brought up facts they hadn’t really considered. The teacher, OTOH, gave me an F for the speech and ultimately a C for the course.
After that experience and encounters with a couple of other idiotic teachers in other subjects who had no real world experience, I dropped out. More than one way to skin a cat career-wise, however I feel for Karge, because he needs that sheepskin to pursue his chosen career. Hang in there dude.
And I never joked about it either Muckie. Karge’s problem centered around a bullying professor who tried to convince him that he had said something he had not said. I can empathize with him.
While you’re still making dishonest statements, at least I can congratulate you on being profanity free for what, 20 hours?
Little steps, little steps.
This shouldn’t be happening. That guy had nothing to apologize for.
Liberal Fascism 101.
Or call a black woman a “silverback.”
Are you implying that lesbians aren’t ethical or can’t teach ethics? I’d love to hear an explanation for this example of obvious bigotry.
First, the far left beleives in free speech as long as it 100% aligns with whatever their position of the day is.
Second, if this young man really wants to be a cop he is going to have to learn how to be a lot tougher and plot his battles out. Us cops never went in if we knew we were out-gunned…we stepped back got extra troops in then took the bad guys out with careful planning.
I would have reigned hell down on that so-called teacher for pulling that…but at my pace and choosing.
On April 14th, 2008 at 8:58 pm, TexasTiger said:
“There should be a name for what happened to Karge. You could call it getting rustied or getting mookied.”
There should also be a name for what happens to the prof. You could call it getting churchilled. Has a nice ring to it, no?
O’Reilly has been harping about the comments on HuffPo being a direct reflection of Arianna’s beliefs since she allows them to remain on the site, even though she has a disclaimer. I wonder if that applies here as well.
Mookie…GO AWAY!!!
Very nice. The expression might need to be gussied up so no one confuses her with Winston Churchill vice Ward Churchill.
Not going to happen, rooster.
rooster:
Would you like to borrow some Troll-B-Gon?
mookie-thingee,
I have never seen the absolute hate and vitriol posted here that I have seen at HuffPo or DailyKos. I’ve seen posts on those sites cheering on the death of Charlton Heston and hoping that Nancy Reagan would die soon after she fell and hurt herself.
The far-left is about on par with that Fred Phleps god hates f@gs group.
#26, just saw something like that on another thread, agenda driven? Naaaaa.
Your posts & my posts both stand, so my guess is that the hostess could not agree with both of us… perhaps you should just be grateful you have freedom of speech.
I’m sure everyone here would be very respectful if Michael Moore died tomorrow.
This is going off-topic.
I don’t envy Karge’s position but kowtowed too quickly.
You? Never!
This is why I wish I could drop out of college. College isn’t a place to learn anymore… it’s more a place of indoctrination. PC crap runs amok all over Texas State, my current place of “higher education.” Remind me why I pay thousands of dollars for my tuition again?
Hey, I wasn’t going to even post in this thread until you called me out!
Mookie,
Liberals are the ones who cheer on death of conservatives or anyone they don’t agree with.
Most conservatives can’t stand Michael Moore, but not many would wish him to die. We just wish that people like you and him would just please go away!
Mookie: re: Michael Moore: no way. I’ve read this blog a lot and these people actually have some decency, as opposed to a lot of uber-libs–if somebody died, even someone they would make fun of ordinarily, they would be respectful. Conservatives generally think liberals are wrong and maybe stupid or crazy, but not necessarily horrible people. Liberals, on the other hand, interpret conservative opinions as serious threats and seem incapable of respecting the people who hold those opinions. Thus the cakewalk whenever a prominent conservative and favorite liberal punching bag–e.g. Jerry Fallwell–passes on.
If it’s going off-topic, it’s only because YOU, Mookie, took it off topic to get in yet another cheap shot at TexasTiger.
As for the topic, we don’t have education at our universities - we have indoctrination.
When I attended a graduate school orientation party, and revealed I was a Vietnam Era veteran, a chilly hush enveloped the room. Someone said “you don’t belong here you fascist. We’ll get rid of you.” People like him are now teaching our kids or posting on the DailyKos
I wouldn’t have apologized. Choice words I learned in the Navy would have come forth at the instructor for her demanding an apology. I might say something about being offended by liberalism as well.
The management school at my undergrad university didn’t have many professors like this so I never had to get angry. In grad school I did and one bashed the troops and Bush, this was a week before we went into Iraq. A complaint was made and she tried to apologize, which I did not accept.
We didn’t cheer when Moore’s credibility or career died. What makes anyone think we’d cheer when he died.
Although we might breathe a sigh of relief if we were not selected to be a pallbearer.
I’m a philosophy major in a college seminary, so I’m glad I’ll never have to to deal with such problems; the philosophy classes at my college are mostly filled with fellow seminarians, conservative Catholics through and through.
I never thought I’d ever agree with Rusty. I do here, mostly. However, if you have right leaning views, and the Professor is a super lib it’s never taken well. The grade will reflect. If you want good grades you might have to pipe down or not voice your opinion. The lib view is supposed to be all-inclusive, but only for their point of view.
The article seems suspect to me. I don’t know why.
I’ve been racial profiled on occasion. I don’t have a problem with it because I don’t break the law. Once the officer stops me, I am always respectful. I know the night is not going to end up with me going to jail. I also understand that in some circumstances, I might fit a certain profile at a given time.
Please forgive me. I didn’t want to do it. BOOOOOOOSH MADE ME DO IT!
The left is filled with intellectual cowards who quickly scream some type of bigotry even when none is intended or even obvious. This cowardice is really intellectual dishonesty.
It is amazing how an individual with the facts and the logic to back up an analysis scare the absolute heck out of the liberals. I have felt for a long time that liberals are driven first by emotion and then, when confronted with reality, collapse into raving lunatics. Professor Snow is just another example of a cowardly liberal with real power to do damage and a willingness to do so when the situation suits her.
I would like to see this academic elitist have the courage to apologize for the situation, but I certainly don’t expect it to happen.
Land that I Love re; “Remind me why I pay thousands of dollars for my tuition again?”
Well I could write a thesis on this but, let me just say that indoctrination is an expensive procedure, & that higher education is not covered by anti-trust laws.
He doesn’t have much of a choice here. If his professor is tenured, she can almost give him any grade she wants without the fear of repercussion. By the time his case is presented, he will have graduated already. Students in America are held hostage to liberal indoctrination. It must be the left-wing vast conspiracy!!!!!!!
Michelle, the story of our young fabulist friend Melanie Bowers appears on the sidebar of this story, but not the update (I have seen both on other sidebars). Your blog was the first place I saw her revealed as a fake, but it would be good to add an update to the original story so no one can try to find reproach where there is none.
mookie should not be removed. Not only may you learn something one day but you can react to the lefts latest mandates from huffington post or whoever. I never delete them.
First Post. hooray.
Can’t say this story surprises me. I guess I’m lucky, as I haven’t had any professors like this yet here at the University of California I attend.
Its encouraging though that the students recognized their teacher’s nonsense for what it was. Maybe there’s hope for this generation after all.
I thought it was the military industrial complex?
I wonder if anyone taped the class? I’d be interested to hear the audio.
Funny…when these wonderful academicians want the lone gunman on their campus to stop shooting, who do they call?….it ain’t the Ghostbusters,folks!
I would have strongly remind everyone in the area that nowhere in the Constitution is it written that a person has the right to not be offended. If they are offended by the truth, then my suggestion would be for them to toughen the f*** up, because only the truth is acceptable.
I don’t take this issue as a police bashing issue. It is just an overly PC issue where you supposedly are not allowed to identify the race of the subject of the conversation or it is offensive.
I argue that this is the problem with outlawing the ‘n-word’. Growing up, it was never generally used as derogatory, but descriptive. Now if you use it, it is the sin of sins and you must apologize.
The same thing happened here. He had to apologize for saying ‘Hispanic’ as though it was an offensive term. . . though only meant as descriptive.
It is a shame too. . .because I agree with the premise of the class. . . that society has been over criminalized. However, I don’t believe it has been over criminalized so that police can run roughshod over society. I think that is the outcome of the excess of laws.
Imagine that. Presenting actual law enforcement examples in a crime and punishment class.
The horror.
I wonder if HOMESCHOOLING can be established at the university level?
There has been a great deal of issues with the police in Milwaukee. About two or three weeks ago, a police office pulled over a Hmong man who was driving under the influence. The driver tried to drive off, dragging the officer with him, so the officer struck the man once and pulled him out of the vehicle.
The usual suspects protested, claiming it was “racism” (the officer involved is black) and brutality. They called for the dismissal of the officer and are questioning the new Chief of Police.
This kind of thing does not surprise me coming from Milwaukee. We have one of the most violent inner cities in the country, we FINALLY have a police chief with the nerve to crack down on these thugs, and the politically correct, left-leaning politicians are all nervous because we might offend someone.
I think that we’re going to see an increase in students who opt to take courses online as a result of things like this. The curriculum is very structured and the discussion boards give ample opportunity for debate.
Let’s see. A lesbian, Assoc. Prof, who teaches philosophy at a Catholic university, has taught ethics, philosophy of law, and metaethics, whatever the hell that is. Plus, she lives with her partner Mary Pat and their dogs and cats.
What is wrong with this picture? She is the one who should apologize to her student for impersonating a professor, and the Board of Trustees of Marquette should apologize for promoting such an un-Catholic environment with inferior profs. Unfortunately, Georgetown, Notre Dame, and too many other Catholic colleges provide the same screwy atmosphere.
The professor will realize her mistake soon enough when she sees the bright blue lights in her rearview mirror. Police intern Greg Karge has friends. Officer Greg Karge will always remember Professor Nancy Snow along with the make, model, and license number of any vehicle she drives.
The professor has an expensive lesson to learn.
I agree - Karge caved too soon, especially considering his potential vocation (police officer) - he will need to learn how to work within a bureaucratic system.
Once he realizes how little college grades matter, he’ll also lament not taking a firmer stand.
Oh yeah, one more thing. Snow is a jerk. My oldest child is one who would flourish in the liberal arts - unfortunately, he’s not a liberal, is a jock, and would fair terribly at the hands of these fascists.
The PC nutjobs were just cutting their teeth when I went to college, I’m afraid what it will be like in a few years when my kids head off to college.
Depends on where you go. I teach at a private Christian University. This could happen there but probably would get the professor in to a bit of hot water. Some professors don’t like it when you point out they are wrong. I was in a Management class (8 credits) and disagreed with the professor about a patient senario. We were supposed to mark what order we would complete patient tasks. One task was managing an airway. That is ALWAYS number 1, she placed it 3rd on the list. I got the highest score on all the tests and the highest score on all the papers. I got a “C” in the class.
If you are going to go to graduate school sometimes it’s best just to “Suck it Up”
More indoctrination by a typical self important liberal teacher. Give these idiots a degree and they think they have wisdom. I think most of these fools thrive on the the fact that they have a captive audience; mostly young, impressionable and liberal. It’s their own little show.
My son is a college sophomore, and I can hardly believe the liberal garbage that he tells me that most of his teachers spew. Liberals: so full of mindless mantra’s; shallow knee jerk reactions as if they cannot think more than a few inches deep, and of course the liberal’s stock in trade–hypocracy. The sad fact is that our colleges are infested by these noisy gas bags.
These liberal professors are like one of those pull-string dolls who spew babble, kind of like Charlie Brown’s teacher. I remember one time this lib was trashing Al Jolson as a supremacist for wearing blackface and singing My Mammy. This same professor also commented on how his girlfriend liked to eat raw meat sometimes. These people are losers and what’s worse kids have to pay 45k a year to listen to them!
If you have a beef about bigotry, you might want to discuss it with God.
Thanks - Mookie #59-
There are many of us who have educated our children at home and then shudder to think of the indoctrination that they will receive at the U level.
I’ll give your “head’s up” to my homeschooling friends.
Seems strange to me that a student can be called on for so called “profiling” but what about liberal leftwing profs who consistently profile conservatives and pick on them with threat of grade reprisals? Surely not another double standard here is it?
I did a year of online classes from UMASS and really enjoyed it. My parents and I were taking care of two elderly family members 24/7 at the time and it allowed me to stay in school and do the work on my own schedule while my parents were able to keep working. Online classes tend to be heavier on reading and lighter on discussion, which is preferable for some people. Almost all major colleges and universities offer some classes online and many, like UMASS, offer entire degree programs online and the degree is no different than one you’d receive if you physically attended the class.
The left wants to cripple the police, weaken the judiciary intellectually, empty the prisons, and take our guns away.
The left wants to cripple doctors with lawsuits, overburden hospitals with paperwork, bankrupt the pharmacuetical industry, and nationalize healthcare.
Similar patterns are seen with education, the legal system, manufacturing, and energy production and transmission. The Left told us they would try to totally destroy our nation and piece by piece every part of our country is under attack.
As for the young man at Marquette, he could file a formal complaint against the professor describing that she had singled him out for disparate treatment and harassed him. He now now longer feels comfortable in her class. He can ask for any records of similar/previous complaints against her. Perhaps some of his friends feel the same way and might file additional complaints.It doesn’t take much until real mass hysteria starts on a campus. It is important to expose the enemy to their own toxic systems - most of them are cowards and back off from a fight.
And this in the somewhat conservative city of Milwaukee, albeit at a liberal arts college in that fine community. If you do not have the pc stamp of approval - read “if you are a white male” you can hardly mention race in any context without being labeled racist. Double standards abound.
Mookie, wrt post #59, you are spot on.
Come now, almeehan, finish your quote
Before you cast that sort of thing around, you may want to consider what it shows of your own spirit.
Check out Mark 7:18-20. It is not what you take in that makes you unclean, but what you vomit forth. What do you vomit forth?
Aside from that all, Milwaukee is a place where racism against those of European descent is tolerated, and even encouraged, in the city limits. The views of Reverend Wright are common, here. I was no more surprised to hear it come from him and from Barack than I am to see it in this context. It’s sad, if unsurprising, that it extends even to Marquette.
I don’t believe Karge should not have apologized at all. Someday he is going to have to make split second decisions that may affect his or his partners life and he better not be second guessing himself then. Granted this is only a class but you have to have the courage to stick up for what you believe is right.
So someone sticks up for the Police, and is then forced to apologize, on the basis of somoene being “offended”? Who’s to be offended by somebody defending the police, except for, perhaps, a criminal?
And what does that tell us about Karge’s professor???????
While reading this discussion I kept thinking that this sounded much like the psychologists that I have taken classes with. When reading Ms. Snow’s short bio, viola, she is interested in moral psychology! Trust me when I say that students cannot stand up for their beliefs without getting punished in the especially PC psychology and philosophy depts. in American Universities. I have yet to meet a psychologist or psychology professor that has moderate or conservative views on anything and those professionals that get their degrees from Christian colleges and universities are basically regarded with disdain.
That’s a good general rule, but paramount to that is that the conservative (even if the person in question is only conservative in the sense of being slightly less shriekingly liberal than the professor) is always wrong.
Heh. I’m already going through high school via BYU Independent Study (all online — quite lovely, IMHO), and I’m planning on doing the same for college. I’m pretty sure there are other universities offering that sort of program; I just haven’t looked yet. (My sister attends an actual university, which has done very little for her actual education but has enhanced her BDS on an exponential level. That kind of scared me off.)
One of the things that’s hyper-annoying is the constantly shifting standard. I can, and have said things almost exactly like that in classes, particularly when the teacher is smart and self-assured of their abilities.
It’s the teachers that couldn’t actually put together a coherent reply and rebuttal that pull junk like this.
I find that this type of PC stuff is usually found in affirmative action hire classrooms among profs who didn’t deserve their jobs and know it.
Making people apologize for telling the truth in a philosophy class at a well-known college? Well, at least they did not hang him like Dr. Dietrich Bonhoeefer. Of course, Bonhoeffer was a professing and well-known person of the Christian persuasion.
This is dumb. Why cant we make rules to stop slanted teaching. By the way this is my 1st post on mm yeah me
I find the professor’s actions offensive. Where’s my apology?
This is ridiculous.
I had a college professor who was farther to the left than I am to the right. We didn’t hit it off when I corrected her in class on the number of ammendments to the constitution on the first day, then twisted the knife to get an appology in front of the class. (Hey, I was young and stupid, and, more importantly, right)
We had to do a paper on abortion. I specifically wrote it using the terms ‘pro-life’ and ‘pro-death’. I got a D and an offer for a rewrite. using find and replace, I replaced it with ‘Anti-choice’ and ‘pro-choice’. That’s it. and got an A.
That was when I realized in college a) all you need are the right buzzwords and b) I could never teach in that environment.
Yep, these cartoon character “academics” of the soft sciences HAVE to bring up race, gender and the war in Iraq in every conversation. It is like a nervous tick to this people-it is just there. The greater number of these “studies” do not need to exist, as least in the classroom. They but serve two bad purposes. 1) Provide jobs to left over old radicals who can’t do math and the hard science 2) Provide can pass classes for students who can’t do math and the hard sciences, as in Affirmative Action Admissions.
So to the students who have to put up with it I do suggest: Put up with it in the classroom, it will soon be over. Take your action elsewhere where the PC Punks don’t outnumber you, don’t control your grade. You will get your chance.
There’s a whole lot of bluster here considering we don’t even know what Mr. Karge said. He very well could have made a poor choice of words. We don’t know.
You’d think after Melanie Bowers that people would be a little more hesitant to run their mouths (or their typing fingers).
And to any bigot who thinks that a lesbian is unable to teach ethics, maybe my personal experience will shed some light on the issue. I attended a Catholic high school and there was one teacher who made more of a difference in my young life than any other person (save for my parents). More than any priest, counselor, or other teacher. This teacher made me work harder, think harder, behave better, and become a better all around person. So what did it matter that he was gay? If I told you about this person out of context, you’d probably tell me that I was lucky I found such an important teacher. Add one detail which doesn’t matter in the least and suddenly he’s a problem?
PC-ness is nothing new at Marquette (or at a majority of universities, as we all know). Back in the ’90s, Marquette’s nickname was changed from Warriors to Golden Eagles for the sake of the Native American community who was supposedly offended by the use of the word “Warrior.” Marquette left no room for discussion, not even allowing for a change of the antiquated Indian-head logo.
MU students and alumni didn’t drop the matter, though. A few years ago, a campaign was started to bring back the name Warriors. Polls showed that an overwhelming majority of students and alumni wanted to return to the old name, and a complete debacle followed. It was quite the controversy in Milwaukee. Read more about it here. I could probably have found more references, but this is a good recap of the issue. This is a notable addendum to the story, though.
Why am I in this handbasket and where am I going?
Rusty,
Who said anything about professor Snow’s sexual identity? It seems that you are jumping to conclusions about how you believe that some of the people posting here think. Just because she is lesbian does not mean that we cannot criticize her lack of judgment in regards to providing a safe place for all students (conservative and liberal)to express their ideas.
Sean Hannity has said on his radio show, when college students call in complaining of intolerant liberal professors, that there is no shame in playing their game to get through the class. College isn’t the end of the world. Thus, one can’t let a intolerant liberal professor damage ones career by giving one a bad grade for failing to tell the professor what they want to hear.
jcjones, read the thread more carefully.
Rusty,
I am one of the new conversationalists here and already I am having to address your going outside the conversation. The discussion was about a student bringing up an incident where a police officer was being verbally accosted by a hispanic at a traffic stop. The point was the hispanic was exhibiting the “racist” talk not the cop. If the students don’t fit in with the teachers indoctrination then they don’t get the grades. What does her sexual orientation have to do with anything?
Unfortunately most college campuses, especially public ones, have become liberal indoctrination centers. Reminds me of when I took my CCW course at my local community college. The instructor was a 24 year veteran police officer and an Army vet and the school didn’t even trust him enough to give him keys to the classroom he needed to teach out of. He had to call “campus security” which was some 18 year old kid in a golf cart to come open the door each morning for our class. It must have scared the liberal professors to death knowing that a police officer was teaching next door about gun safety while carrying a firearm concealed himself. Such is the sad state of this country and world.
Back on the original topic, if the events happened as outlined in the article then I commend the student for standing up for his fellow police officers. The professor should be the one giving the apology, but who am I kidding… pigs will fly first before that happens in liberal-land.
Don’t blame me for the thread drift. A few commenters noticed on the professor’s bio page that she was a lesbian. Some have said this should disqualify her from teaching ethics (since gays can’t be ethical?) or from teaching at a Catholic school (more debatable, although I have no problem with gay teachers and professors).
This isn’t my threadjack. Blame Romeo13 (#17), Tomshup (#60), and Almeehan (#66).
Because they themselves are proto-fascists. To wit:
Q.E.D.
Really, though, when it comes to race relations between the police and “people of color,” this is the best advice I’ve ever seen.
Fortunately, most of these problems ended when I graduated from High School. Most of my college teachers were part time teachers who had full time jobs during the day and appreciated people with well thought our opinions even if they didn’t agree with them..
My 14 year old son is constantly being indoctrinated but his High School teachers who try to push their opinions and beliefs as facts without a shred of evidence. It really scares me to think there are a lot of kids that just soak their garbage up as fact. It must be, their teacher told them. Just one of my high school math teachers told me more lies than my second ex-wife did in seven years of marriage, and she told a lot of lies
Well this explains it:
The teacher, Nancy Snow, is a HUGE liberal and a lesbian:
http://www.marquette.edu/phil/faculty/snow.html
We already have a book on virtue. It’s called The Holy Bible.
That apology is completely unnecessary. Sometimes it’s necessary to talk about race… how will we ever be able to engage in serious dialogue if the mere mention of race is unacceptable or taboo? Going into attack mode when someone states someone’s race in the context of a story is immature and is only making things worse.
I’ve been lucky enough that very few of my university classes have been blatantly political in a Left-Right, Conservative-Liberal way. The only classes in which my professors have preached politics from the lectern have been an Intro to Global Studies class and Psychology of Religion–the latter prof spent a considerable time Catholic-bashing as well. None of my political science professors have come close to these other two… and I’ve taken at least 12 Poli Sci classes.
The problem is that academe refuses to admit that it is horribly biased to the left - even though there is ample evidence. To be honest, no liberal professor is willing to engage in a debate with a conservative unless the conservative can be controlled or diminished in some way. Mere facts are not a sufficient basis for a debate because the great majority of the time the liberal will lose. Not only is Snow a liberal but she attracts liberals who will do her bidding - snicker at and abuse anyone who disagrees with “their” side.
The fact that Snow is an admitted lesbian gives her “victim” status to be used in an way under any circumstance. “I am a lesbian so I know what it feels like to be treated in a racist, sexist, etc. manner”. That, of course, is a logical fallacy, but that is the nature of liberalism.
and why is it getting so warm?
As a current student at a university, and a retired Air Force member I would not “apologize” for the comments above, as they are stated here. It appears that the purpose of this class is not education and understanding but indoctrination of a philosophy which position the authorities, in this case the police as wrong. This is a common tact many on the left continue to attempt to utilize, by doing so they frame the arguments and stack the deck against anyone attempting to contradict their argument.
As conservatives we must learn not to accept arguments based on liberal premises. This is the way to confront academia. We know conservatism wins, but too often we lack the debating skills in this arena to confront the left. Specifically as students, conservatives often fear retribution in their grades. I submit that a grade from a liberal professor or in many cases, an associate or adjunct, is not worth my principals. If the professor lowers a student’s grade then, that is simply another opportunity to out a vindictive liberal.
In the arena of ideas we cannot give grounds to liberals. We must fully and without emotion articulate our positions. That is how we win.
Rusty #90,
My apologies to you, once I went back and read the posts by Blame Romeo13 (#17) and Tomshup (#60), I realized you had every right to make those assumptions. Some people wouldn’t know what was ethical if their life depended on it.
Maybe someone already said this, but I got here late so here goes.
Student makes a comment concerning a HISPANIC man calling the cops racist. Teacher says the BLACK students might find that offensive. Isnt that a little bit of racism on the teachers part? What am I missing here?