Move over, Andres Serrano and Karen Finley: Here comes blood-smearing Yale art student Aliza Shvarts; Update: Video link added; Update: Sick joke
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It sounds like the sickest kind of Onion parody and perhaps part of it will turn out to be fabrication, but there’s no question that Yale art student Aliza Shvarts is a budding left-wing agent provocateur in the grand tradition of piss-peddling, NEA-funded radical Andres Serrano and chocolate-smearing, NEA-sponsored moonbat performer Karen Finley.
The Yale Daily News has the scoop–and assuming it’s not a belated April Fools’ joke, prepare for some significant donor backlash:
Art major Aliza Shvarts ‘08 wants to make a statement.
Beginning next Tuesday, Shvarts will be displaying her senior art project, a documentation of a nine-month process during which she artificially inseminated herself “as often as possible” while periodically taking abortifacient drugs to induce miscarriages. Her exhibition will feature video recordings of these forced miscarriages as well as preserved collections of the blood from the process.
The goal in creating the art exhibition, Shvarts said, was to spark conversation and debate on the relationship between art and the human body. But her project has already provoked more than just debate, inciting, for instance, outcry at a forum for fellow senior art majors held last week. And when told about Shvarts’ project, students on both ends of the abortion debate have expressed shock . saying the project does everything from violate moral code to trivialize abortion.
But Shvarts insists her concept was not designed for “shock value.”
“I hope it inspires some sort of discourse,” Shvarts said. “Sure, some people will be upset with the message and will not agree with it, but it’s not the intention of the piece to scandalize anyone.”
Oh, heavens, no. I’m sure it’s merely intended to demonstrate her profound respect for human life!
The “fabricators,” or donors, of the sperm were not paid for their services, but Shvarts required them to periodically take tests for sexually transmitted diseases. She said she was not concerned about any medical effects the forced miscarriages may have had on her body. The abortifacient drugs she took were legal and herbal, she said, and she did not feel the need to consult a doctor about her repeated miscarriages.
Shvarts declined to specify the number of sperm donors she used, as well as the number of times she inseminated herself…
…”I believe strongly that art should be a medium for politics and ideologies, not just a commodity,” Shvarts said. “I think that I’m creating a project that lives up to the standard of what art is supposed to be.”
I’m sure Jose Serrano and Karen Finley agree.
Shvarts emphasized that she is not ashamed of her exhibition, and she has become increasingly comfortable discussing her miscarriage experiences with her peers.
“It was a private and personal endeavor, but also a transparent one for the most part,” Shvarts said. “This isn’t something I’ve been hiding.”
It’s so “private and personal,” she’ll reportedly be displaying blood from the miscarriages in a huge box covered with the fluids mixed with Vaseline, topped off with videos of her expelling the blood:
The display of Schvarts’ project will feature a large cube suspended from the ceiling of a room in the gallery of Green Hall. Schvarts will wrap hundreds of feet of plastic sheeting around this cube; lined between layers of the sheeting will be the blood from Schvarts’ self-induced miscarriages mixed with Vaseline in order to prevent the blood from drying and to extend the blood throughout the plastic sheeting.
Schvarts will then project recorded videos onto the four sides of the cube. These videos, captured on a VHS camcorder, will show her experiencing miscarriages in her bathrooom tub, she said. Similar videos will be projected onto the walls of the room.
Here’s the Yale School of Art website where photos of the undergrad senior art exhibits are featured.
Next up for Shvarts: A NYTimes op-ed stint, a gig as Planned Parenthood’s next “I Had an Abortion” t-shirt model, and a new role in the next Vagina Monologues alongside Jane C. Fonda.
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Jim Hoft: This beats the US flag-stomping art project hands down.
Allahpundit thinks “it can’t be real. It’s too broadly parodic of too many things: the trivialization of abortion, modern art’s fascination with effluvium, amoral academic culture justified as a form of faux-profound “consciousness-raising,” etc etc etc. All that’s missing is some sort of representation of Christ as a gay Nazi.” Hey, I didn’t think Sex Week at Yale could be real, either. But it is.
Photo source: Soapbox
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Gerard Vanderleun’s got video of Abortion Art Girl going on an anti-”patriarchal heternormative rant.”
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Am I the only one not buying the artificial insemination line? I’m betting this was an excuse on her part to spread her legs for any drunk college guy she could find.
This woman never impregnated herself. She’s lying.
pretty sure what she’s claiming to have done is probably medically impossible anyway… any medical types to weigh in?
She is the epitome of a feminist — she is performing the sacrament of gynarchal supremacy.
To pretend that she does not represent a core ideology of feminism is throwing chaff.
I want to cry. If this is true, it’s one of the most disturbing and tragic things I have ever heard.
I wonder what Miss Shvarts’s background is. I would guess she probably came from a comfortable home and is just desperate to prove to her liberal Ivy League peers that she is edgy and hip.
I can’t imagine she has much support on either side of this debate. Obviously, pro-life people like me are appalled. On the other side, pro-choice groups have spent so much time trying to push for “safe, rare, and legal” (whether they mean it or it’s just empty rhetoric) must be angry at the way this just makes it look like abortion is a game.
And all her talk about her art being “a medium for politics and ideologies” is (pardon my language) total BS. It’s not like abortion is a topic that doesn’t get much discussion. She acts as though she’s finally calling attention to something taboo. People talk about abortion all the time. It fires people up on both sides of the debate and almost everyone with whom I have discussed it is passionate about their side. She’s not breaking down any barriers except those of common decency and respect for human life.
I think I may skip lunch today after reading this. I pray that it turns out to be some kind of (extremely) sick joke. If it’s not a joke, I have so much more praying to do. For Aliza, for a university system that allows this type of “thesis”, and for a society that has regressed so far…
Real Truth: too ugly to be an internet porn star.
Let us not forget that there were several guys in on this with her. I mean…what the hell kind of man donates his sperm to use for this kind of sickness? They had to know what it was for right? I can just hear that conversation….”yeah well uhhh, I’m going to self inseminate and then kill our child right after I get the morning sickness see?…Then I’ll collect the remains and put them on display for the whole world to see….soooo uhhh, just make it into the cup OK?”
These guys can’t be left off-the-hook….they had to know what the outcome was going to be! SCUM….all of them!
s&s,
It is absurd. However, it is just a reflection of the attitudes of society. This yound woman thought it tasteful to abuse her body in this way. Human life to her seems to be something you can discharge at your own whim. She claims to have done it in order to promote discourse on the subject. I beg to differ. Is this a cry for help? Why wasn’t this idea summarily shot down prior to it becoming public knowledge? I am left with nothing but questions.
If she really just wants attention,why doesn’t she flop down on that gym floor,beat her heels and scream alot? That seems to be the Liberal response to everything else……….
This person needs a serious mental health check. What ever happened to involuntary committment? She is an icon of the sicko leftist culture in America today.
This sort of thing is what you get after decades of legalized abortion debasing human life. Years ago, I heard the head of Planned Parenthood on a NPR show say, “Having an abortion is not a big deal. Have you ever had a hangnail?”
She has no fears about doing this? I wonder if she has stopped long enough to read the very convincing medical research that links abortion with an early developing breast cancer? The more abortions the woman has… especially if there are no live births before, increases the risk. Brilliant. At least she has the choice. Too bad her unborn-human- sacrifices, for the display of her insanity, do not.
Guess what? I made of list of alumni to contact and Rev Wrights Understudy is a Yale Alumni. Opps.
Rev. Otis Moss III
What was I thinking. So I wrote an email, Here it is:
Here is my response:
What?
I shudder to think what will happen when the Lord takes back the Full Armour that He gave to us to use: Eph. 6
Is: 59:
3: For your hands are defiled with blood…
4: None calleth for justice…
7: …they make haste to shed innocent blood….
15:..it displeased Him that there was no judgement…
17: For He put on righteousness as a
breastplate, and an helmut of salvation ….
18: according to to their deeds, accordingly He will repay…
Let us: Ephesians 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God…
Question: Senior projects and theses have some degree of faculty involvement, right? I did not attend graduate school, but for my undergrad work I had a faculty advisor for my final project. Someone knew about this before it was a a completed abomination. Who approved this concept?!?
“Pay attention to me!!! Pay attention to me!!!”
Sorry, that’s not art.
My son and his wife are having great difficulty trying to conceive a child.
This person (I can’t bring myself to call her a woman) is as mentally ill as Nazi medical experimenters.
And is my tax money, through NEA, funding her grotesque experiments??
How did she induce the abortions, and was she taking prescribed drugs to do so? If she was taking drugs, what doctor was willing to prescribe them to her more than once during a 9 month period?
The girl ain’t right. ’nuff said.
JW2, I believe she is an undergrad, so she had a senior thesis adviser who signed off on this project. That adviser should be fired.
#21 drivingjack wrote:
Why would this have anything to do with Barack Obama? Really, really reaching here…
#23 Larraby wrote:
No, she isn’t. I have several friends who went to Yale and none of them would ever do anything so dumb or calculated to grab attention.
However, if you went to or worked for Yale or spent a lot of time there or know many graduates who’ve done exactly this sort of thing, feel free to share your stories…
What can one say in the face of such depravity? God have mercy on her soul.
How did she artificially inseminate herself?
Can one do that in the comfort of one’s own home? I was under the impression that it was an expensive clinical procedure.
Regardless, if true, this girl shouldn’t be allowed to reproduce.
She seems to be a little obsessed with this kind of stuff.
That being said, this takes depravity to an entirely new level.
Yet again, I am proud to have gone to a trade school. Just a nice little community college were nut jobs like this are few and far between. No way in H am I letting my future kids go to one of these places. I hope Yale suffers on this one
See what happens when you take a girls jump rope away!
That wobbling you feel are the wheels coming off America’s cart.
I clearly see the relationship between abortion blood & art.
Duh!
/sarc off
These days, anyone can do anything they want for the sake of art.
Not as difficult as you might think. I’m only speculating, of course, but I’m guessing she used intracervical insemination (ICI if you want to look it up) which more or less mimics the natural act. I don’t think she came from a farming background, but many cattle hands would be familiar with the, ahem, process.
What is interesting to note with this, though, is that there is only a 10-15% success rate per cycle. So, given that, it’s hard to imagine that she could have impregnated many times.
or, the answer could be she was just a skank who slept around.
Hey, Soap. Here we have a thread related to abortion… Did you notice who is absent?
My God! What a reflection of our society! There is not another country on earth that would tolerate a nutcase like this and allow her to murder fetuses and call it “art”!
Freedom does require responsibility and accountability. This woman and the people that admire/tolerate her have none! Neither does Yale. Time to close that school down!!! This is as bad as it can get!
All Universities have a Human Subjects committee that has to approve any experiment done in any of the hard or social sciences. Anything. You want to ask 100 sophomores if they are happy at school, you fill out the paperwork, and this committee decides if it is OK – never mind aborting as many fetuses as possible. I can imagine someone making the argument that – if she didn’t get permission – that this project should be rejected by the University, and she doesn’t graduate until she completes a project that has met the necessary requirements. Not that I expect Yale to have any testicles.
Just wanted to point out that this is unequivocally not true. There is no link between breast cancer and abortions whatsoever.
Shvarts doesn’t have to worry about breast cancer (anymore than any other woman anyways). She has to worry about the consequences of her actions and the realization that she is a fantastically selfish person.
I am absolutely nauseated about this.
I am at a loss for words…..
Interesting, especially the low success rate. Definitely sounds feasible.
I think this girl is exaggerating. She’s sick, obviously, but things don’t add up.
…true. I was putting faith in the Yale news article that said it was “artificial”.
How she did is rather irrelevant to me, I suppose. Natural or otherwise, it’s equally disgusting to me.
I thought that after the Virginia Tech shootings, university staff and faculty would have their antennae up for nutjobs like the Shvarts.
MEMO TO: Yale University
Review your internal practice SOPs tout de suite.
Agreed.
I don’t know about the breast cancer angle, but certainly there are other medical risks to doing what she did beyond just the realization. I could mention a few complications, but… ick. They are not really worthy of discussion other than to say it’s not a wholly safe thing to do without medical advice.
I’ll be waiting for an update.
#109 Chuck wrote:
Nope. This isn’t a political act and says nothing about “leftist culture.”
Actually, this is just the story of an art student who is desperate for attention and lacking in real creativity who makes deliberately provocative art in the hopes that the ensuing controversy will yield a gallery show immediately post-graduation and help her become a member of the avant-garde.
The irony is, the reaction here is precisely what she was going for. I’m sure she’d be incredibly pleased to find herself the subject of this discussion.
Exactly. And because she’s under 25, she should still have her SCHIP coverage.
Now don’t be redundant.
You’re jealous, aren’t you?
Just when you think that the left can’t sink any lower, they prove you wrong. Even if the project is a sham, the concept itself is degenerate.
#140 PBoilermaker:
Wow. You see right through me.
From the Yale course catalog:
So this project was approved by a committee and supervised by an adviser?! How could it get so far?
Lord Forgive me but I really hope her next “art” project is suicide.
Haha – crazy wingnuts here don’t get the joke.
You disappoint me.
I know I shouldn’t tempt fate or anything but I am sort of surprised that lgm hasn’t weighed in with some enlightenment angle on this thread. Hmmm?
I am sure the Yale alumni are very proud of their school right now……
From today’s NYT:
Dude, you might want to reconsider. Maybe move some of that money from the NEA’s budget to mental health initiatives. Just sayin’.
I’m pretty sure there’s a special place in hell for someone like this.
However, what’s worse? Her doing this for 9 months to make a public spectacle of herself or the abortion clinic workers who kill the unborn all day every day?
What, pray tell, might that “joke” be?
#150 PBoilermaker wrote:
Oh? Not a big fan of sarcasm?
From the “artist” herself in the Yale article:
I am slightly amazed this lunacy and depravity not only upset pro-life people but the other crowd as well.
On April 17th, 2008 at 11:38 am, exitus said:
In a sane world, this would be confiscated by police, and used as evidence in a trial on X counts of first degree murder. Getting pregnant ONLY to kill the child? At least most people who have abortions do so because of ‘accidental’ conception (not that I’m saying that is okay either).
If it comes to this would it not also make Yale an accomplice?
No, there isn’t.
It’s disingenuous to argue that this “project” isn’t a direct result of the abortion culture so pervasive in parts of this nation.
Abortion supporters constantly argue that a “fetus” isn’t human, just a clump of cells, etc. and therefore the isn’t really human unless the mother decides so.
This “artist” clearly didn’t think the children she created were human, so I can’t understand why anyone – especially those who support abortion rights – is surprised by this.
It’s rather silly to say what she did was any more abhorrent than an abortion done because a pregnancy is unplanned or inconvenient – and it’s hypocritical (at best) to say that somehow the children in this case were any more worthy of life than children aborted for “social reasons” (the most common reason for abortion).
She’s grown up in a culture that’s taught her life isn’t precious or valuable in any way. A culture that’s told her an unborn child isn’t human or worthy of protection.
What she did – as much as it disgusts, appalls, and hurts me and others – is really just the logical next step down the path of abortion moral relativism.
And while I (thankfully) have not suffered a miscarriage, one of my closest friends did, and she was only a few weeks behind me when I was pregnant with my son. It devestated her, her husband, and me (I cried for two days), and I’ve often wondered what her child (who’d be one now) would have become. To turn that sort of pain into an “art project” is inhumane and downright evil.
“Art project” from Hungary: “Artist” drowns kitten in bathtub in front of a video camera. This guy – Zoltan Toepler – even won an art prize for this act of depravity!
http://www.seeblog.seelicht.ch/die-grenze-der-kunstlerischen-freiheit-endet-hier/
(The page is in German, but the video is pretty much self-explaining.)
What in the world happened to real art?
I am SPEACHLESS….:(…. Two thoughts come to mind 1) When My have had a miscarriage after having 7 children we were heart borken like we had lost one of our children. Their NO words for that FEELING and here this “human life form” planed and carried out more than one miscarriage and is proud of it even happy about it. 2) I can’t even think that on judgement FATHER would have to consider FORGIVING this no matter how much she might change before that time comes…. WOW Like I said SPEACHLESS ;(
No I can think I am not SPEACHLESS I am HEARTBROKEN but, I don’t even want to tell my wife about this.
Dude…
This seems like a bad parody, and I hope like hell it is. That said, if true, this girl (because she’s not acting like an adult) makes Andy Warhol look like Michaelangelo.
#156 alaskangrizzly wrote:
Oh, I don’t doubt that she thinks it’s generally political; or rather, that she attempts to politicize her work. Her art is created under the guise of aspiring to something greater, in order that she might justify her non-ideas as seditious and incisive. But this is classic post-Koons style art as spectacle. It’s pathetic and — because there are so many artists trying to out-shock one another — even boring.
“we’re all people. we all have interior spaces in our mind, and the only way we can ever ever express that is by externalizing that in speech”
if i read this quote anywhere, i would never assume it was from a Yale student.
she’s not only morally sick, she’s intellectually vacuous.
My first thought was that the only other people who murder others and then stage the bodies for the entertainment value are serial killers.
But then I found this China “Bodies”. Then again, they don’t believe in God either.
lgm?
lgm where are you?
Not touching this one with a ten-foot keyboard huh?
Wow. I don’t think that video helped her image at all. Now I’m SURE she barks at the moon!
IMO , she is a disgusting person.No moral compass . Art ? I don’t think so. LSD maybe
Looking at all of the other exhibits, can someone tell me how all of these lucky third graders made it to Yale? Someone has some questions to answer.
Otherwise, I’d say this young one get’s an “F” if she did not create this to be and I quote “for shock value” You failed miserably
EQ, we’ve discussed our views before, and based on your previous statements, you could also say that it’s rather silly to say that this is any more abhorrent than an IUD or Plan B.
The truth is people draw their lines in the sand almost arbitrarily. You would never argue that IUDs should be outlawed although you think IUDs take away human life.
Obviously, pro-choicers draw their line considerably further than a pro-lifer like yourself would. But one thing that everyone (that I’ve seen anyways) has agreed on is that this goes far beyond what can be called acceptable. This crosses the pro-choice and the pro-life line.
Which is why, I imagine, someone one like LGM would stay away. There’s no argument that this is acceptable.
Another attempt at art–in this case film–gone horribly wrong.
Rusty:
UUUUGGGHHHHH!
Abortion is dehumanizing. When the fetus is classified as non-human, can we be surprised at the results? Whatever, Sonograms tell the truth that many would try to suppress. Yes, children in the womb are still children.
Is this political? You betcha. It is hard to envision this kind of garbage pre-Roe v. Wade.
You know, when I used to hear so-and-so went to an Ivy League school, I used to think “wow, they must be smart!” Now I just think “wow, they must be liberal!“
The mind of a two year old in the body of a woman. Shouldn’t she be in some type of institution until she learns to be potty trained? Oh, that’s right, she is a liberal and they never grow up. Just another example of liberalism as a mental disorder.
I believe I’ve also argued that with the pill or an IUD, it’s not 100% certain conception takes place. Plan B may also not impose on conception. And if I hadn’t made that clear before, I should have.
I still think the health risks involved with all three are a glaring contradiction to the green, eco-friendly, organic lifestyles many on the left tend to profess – but that’s another matter. And I don’t use any of them and I believe the Church’s teaching on issues of sexuality and reproduction are exactly right.
It’s a rather disappointing perspective to say that since I don’t want to outlaw the pill and the like I can’t oppose abortion.
So I don’t see that as silly. This – like abortion – is a direct destruction of human life with the sole intent of “creating” “art” or absolving one’s self of the responsibility of pregnancy and parenthood.
The argument for the latter is “I’m not ready/can’t afford to/don’t want to” be a parent yet”…but no one ever said a woman who found herself unexpectedly pregnant had to keep the child and raise it herself.
Yeah, that pretty much sums up my opinion on abortion – the most arbitrary line of them all, which defines an unborn child as worthy of life and human based on whether or not that child is convenient, “wanted” or “planned.”
This girl came from The Buckley School in Sherman Oaks, less than 2 miles from where I live. It is famous for producing such renowned ethical contributors to society and good citizens as Paris Hilton and Nicole Richie. Take a look at the wikipedia entry for the school: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Buckley_School
“Dr. Buckley founded the school on the basis of a “4-Fold Plan of Education,” which emphasizes equally academic training, creative self-expression, physical development and moral education.”
We can neither confirm nor deny that the morals they teach came straight from Genghis Khan.
Yeah, this “college prep” school did indeed do a good job of preparing her for the indoctrination process.
I just watched part of the video. Gee, calling people sheep, cursing the institution… this girl is clearly very edgy and creative.
It’s clear that this girl is just screaming for attention and that she is certainly not avant grade. I almost hate to be fulfilling her dreams by perpetuating discussion on this topic, but we cannot ignore it. It’s not just about this one sick individual (no matter how much she would like it to be) but rather it is symptomatic of a much larger problem in society.
Of course the biggest issue here is the devaluation of human life to the point were it can be created only to be destroyed, smeared in a gallery, and called art. Even if she had used naturally miscarried babies, the concept of exploiting death in this manner is truly appalling. But, in America, groups have spent decades normalizing abortion to the point that this girl was raised to think it okay to do this.
And our educational system has long encouraged this type of false art. The university I attended (by no means the most liberal in the country) had a public display (as in, in the hallways… not in a gallery that you had to choose to enter) of “menstrual art.” That, my friends, is “art” made from used tampons and menstrual blood.
I fear where this all may be heading…
Not quite… two-year-olds have some value for life.
#173 On April 17th, 2008 at 3:03 pm, Trollman said:
“You know, when I used to hear so-and-so went to an Ivy League school, I used to think “wow, they must be smart!” Now I just think “wow, they must be liberal!“”
Trollman, I know what you mean.
As I’ve mentioned in the past, I was a (public) high-school Harry, and a state university grad.
I, too, used to think that the Ivy League was more or less the aristocracy of America.
Boy, was I wrong….
I entered an Ivy League medical school more than 30 years ago.
I had classmates from every Ivy League school, plus some from some other, extremely “prestigious” schools.
Well, I was not impressed in the least by any of them.
I will not say that I was any better prepared than they were; but I WILL say that I was at least as well prepared as any of them were.
Plus, the undergraduates at that Ivy League school gave me the impression of acting like slobs, almost trash – certainly NOT like aristocrats.
And, it isn’t like I was older than everyone else when I started med school; I was likely no older than half the undergrads.
Yes, it was a disillusioning, and a very eye-opening, experience.
In fact, it turned out to be very helpful to have had that experience, when it came our kids’ turn to go to college.
All went to the same state university, and are doing just great, thank you.
#177 On April 17th, 2008 at 3:19 pm, JW2 said:
“It’s not just about this one sick individual (no matter how much she would like it to be) but rather it is symptomatic of a much larger problem in society.”
Absolutely correct.
“Of course the biggest issue here is the devaluation of human life to the point were it can be created only to be destroyed, smeared in a gallery, and called art. Even if she had used naturally miscarried babies, the concept of exploiting death in this manner is truly appalling. But, in America, groups have spent decades normalizing abortion to the point that this girl was raised to think it okay to do this.
And our educational system has long encouraged this type of false art.”
bigo again!
As I posted above, this item is but one example of the whirlwind that is now being reaped, after the wind – the “counter”cultural revolution – that was sown in the 60s and 70s.
(It should not be forgotten that people who at that time criticized the counterculture and the cultural changes-for-the-worse; and warned about exactly the consequences that we are seeing now, and have seen for the last 15 years or so; were scorned, ridiculed, mocked, called prudes, tight-asses, etc.)
I’m not surprised in the least at this stupid-ass Yale student’s act.
Disgusted, enraged, etc?
Yes, absolutely.
But surprised?
Nope.
That’s Bingo again!
Man – and I still ahve work to do!
Apologies.
I have a 16-year-old daughter looking at colleges now. It’s scary – I’m not sure where to send her that is not completely nuts. Well, it won’t be Yale, that’s for sure, and she could probably get it. If I were this girl’s parents, I’d yank her tuition. Period.
Yale Student’s ‘Abortion Art’ Claim a Scam
Newsbusters rips apart this girls ‘art project’ tearing it down to the fundementals.
Is it real, or is it fake?
And if you tell someone it is real, and it looks real, does it make it real?
The more I read on this, the more I think this is a fraud.
If she were a Christian using a dog to create her “pallette” to point out the value of life, she be arrested for animal cruelty and pilloried in the press.
I have to agree with NYK on that thought. However I do disagree about it being American leftist culture. In the 1950’s when I was a kid this sort of thing would have gotten you arrested and then in a nut hatch. Then came the Baby Boomers. Then came a leftist (read: Socialist) takeover of society in America with a definite “Me! Me! Me!” orientation combined with White Guilt over Everything. When pressed to define their politics without using ‘left’ or ‘right’ they always describe classic socialism with themselves as the Elite Who Will Lead. At the same time the society has been debased in many ways. The common use of four letter words in ordinay discourse, wide spread abortion, “don’t judge me”, crap touting itself as art, etc., etc., etc. Perhaps because I didn’t qualify “leftist culture” with “American” NYK may have had a point. Not now.
If I were this girl’s parent I’d find out when she had her last period.
I remember a time not too long ago when art was supposed to be pleasing to eye or at least inspiring not meant to shock or disgust the intended audience. Probably explains why I don’t get modern art at all and have no use for any of these so called artists.
Here we have a great case of circular reasoning (if you are wondering what CR is).
cRusty does not believe that a fetus is a living human. Now, he thinks an IUD “takes away human life”.
1. An IUD prevents the life from being formed (most of the time). How can it “take away human life” if the life was not formed? An IUD is a form of onctraception not a form of abortion. For an abortion, you have to take a life.
2. cRusty just admitted that a fetus is a human life for the sake of this argument. So, a fetus is a living human when cRusty needs it to be.
3. My head hurts trying to figure out how someone like cRusty thinks.
And this is what an ivy league education brings? No thanks.
Oh and the 80’s called Aliza, they want their outfit back.
soap:
While I appreciate your going to bat for me, can I be honest in saying the “cRusty” thing bothers me? While I disagree with Rusty on many issues, I’ve always been treated with respect in our debates – a great thing, considering many liberals are not as mature as Rusty.
*Snort*
Stunning in its evil. Isn’t Yale a church-affiliated school? I’m certain those kids at Messiah College wouldn’t have the poor taste that this woman has – maybe there is something positive to “clutching to guns and religon.”
eq,
I was taking issue with Rusty more than backing you. You can handle yourself very well – shoot, you don’t need my help.
I get tired of Rusty saying a fetus is not a living human because it does not breathe air UNTIL he needs a fetus to be a living human so he can argue. It ticks me off actually.
As an artist, I am outraged at what passes as “art” in today’s society. In my opinion, “art” should be removed from University studies unless they can adhere to a strict curriculum based on SKILL development and an INTELLECTUAL creative process(note: skill and intellect define art).
University art students tend to be nothing more than narcissistic, anti-intellectual, lazy, inconsequential social parasites.
#183 On April 17th, 2008 at 4:04 pm, sbmama said:
“I have a 16-year-old daughter looking at colleges now. It’s scary – I’m not sure where to send her that is not completely nuts.”
sbmama – admittedly, unsolicited advice:
I’m a firm believer that the student’s drive, performance, and work attitude account for 99+ per cent of his post-college career success.
A “name” school may help if that is the only school, or one of only 2 or 3 schools in the country, that offer(s) the program of study that the student is convinced is the only discipline that he wants to pursue. (E.g., To be able to study under a world’s expert on the dishwashing habits of left-handed Austrians in the 17th century who dwelt at 2,000-foot elevation, blah, blah, blah….)
Otherwise, the student will most likely do just fine at pretty much any college for undrgraduate work.
Going to a “name” school may help the mediocre student get that first job, especially if the student’s dad has a friend, whose sister in-law’s cousin has a friend, who knows someone at this business, etc, etc….
But, after a little while, the company is going to stop caring where the new hire went to school; and is going to ask the new hire, “what have you done for us lately”?
If the new hire is a mediocre screw-up, the “name school” will likely be of little help.
Your daughter will probably do fine wherever she goes, provided she busts her butt.
Also, if she goes to a modestly priced school, you don’t end up with a 16- or 17-year-old, and some guidance counsellor stranger, deciding how to spend a COUPLE HUNDRED GRAND of YOUR MONEY.
Then, you’ll have money available should she need to go for more specialized graduate education.
If she busts her butt and does well, she’ll get in to a good grad program.
And, you might just be able to avoid remortgaging your house, and thus might have a bit left over to leave to your daughter, rather than that she would have to help you pay your debts decades down the road.
(Yes, I’ve read where some colleges’ financial aid departments actually have folks who help parents go back into big-time debt to pay the steadily, inexorably increasing college costs; while colleges spend, spend, spend…and then say, “Our expenses have increased; we have to raise tuition and fees.”)
Whatta gig!
Best of luck to her.
I’m sure she’ll do just fine.