Nutroots go ballistic: We demand a stultifyingly dull debate! Or else!

By Michelle Malkin  •  April 17, 2008 01:33 AM

Oh, the left-wing bloggers are in high dudgeon over the Democrat debate.

How could ABC News do it? Behold the teeth-gnashing. And hair-pulling. And foot-stomping.

How dare the ABC moderators ask questions about topics that are, you know, topical?

How dare they ask questions that–gasp!–conservatives are asking.

How dare they explore questions of character, truthfulness, and judgment?

Don’t you know you’re supposed to do the Schoolmarm thing or the Suck-Up thing or the Bogus Plant thing?

Don’t you know you’re supposed to just let the candidates bloviate about Compassion or Global Warming or Diversity or some other MSM-designated Important Issue?

Don’t you know you’re supposed to ask the same, old, recycled softball questions in order to allow the candidates to recite the same, old, recycled answers about their health plans, their housing plans, their Iraq withdrawal plans?

Why, this just proves the MSM is in cahoots with Fox News! (Or “Fix News,” as the pastor who shall not be named likes to call it.)

Charles Gibson is Rush Limbaugh’s puppet!

George Stephanopoulos is a traitor!

The nutroots campaign against ABC has begun. A Daily Kossack fumes:

President Barack should pull their Broadcasting License…We expect Objectivity George! We’re Watching you!

If they can’t have back their stultifyingly dull Democrat debates, dammit, they are going to get all Rumpelstiltskin and jump up and down ’til they burn a hole in the ground.

No more pesky questions about candidates’ lies and shady associations.

Call in Suzanne Malveaux and let’s get back to “Do you prefer diamonds or pearls?”

***

Commenter 29Victor beat me to it: “Talk about bitter. So are all of these lefties going to turn to God, guns and prejudice now?”

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  1. #291041
    On April 17th, 2008 at 10:04 am, DBNinKY said:

    On April 17th, 2008 at 7:44 am, lgm said:

    “A Fox question is not designed to elicit information of interest to conservatives, it’s designed to make Democrats look bad.”

    Au contraire, LGM! That’s the Clintons’ job – and, I might add, a job that they’ve performed exceptionally well since 1994.

  2. #291043
    On April 17th, 2008 at 10:08 am, Trollman said:

    Yeah, I bet folks aren’t happy the Democrats were confronted by real questions for a change. I about fell out of my chair when the moderators brought up the 2nd Amendment! This is how they should have handled it:

    ===============

    Hillary’s plane lands amid a hotbed of sniper fire. Hillary “Annie Oakley” Clinton steps off the plane with her six-shooter.

    Hillary: I no ways feel tiiidde!

    Hillary singlehandedly picks off all of the snipers, allowing the little girl with flowers who had been previously pinned down, to greet her.

    Hillary: We’ve come too faaaawwrr to let the vast Right-Wing-Conspiracy stop me now!

    little girl: That was some impressive shooting; you saved my life!

    Hillary: And now little girl, let’s go duck hunting on our way to church!

    ===============

    Obama: I hope for a change in this country. I hope we change the meaning of the 2nd Amendment by reading it in a fresh way.

    Obama whips out a copy of the Constitution and starts writing over it.

    Obama: I mean, think about it. Do you really want people like Jeremiah Wright or the folks at Trinity owning guns? They might shoot you!

    Obama pretends to make a “sudden move” to bring his point home.

    Obama: Besides, come the fall, Hillary, McCain, or myself will be elected President. If conservatives own guns, they might shoot themselves!

    Conservatives reluctantly nod their heads in agreement.

  3. #291047
    On April 17th, 2008 at 10:13 am, Larraby said:

    Obama finally gets tough questions and the whole media establishment goes crazy! But the most disgraceful example of left wing media types trying to destroy and smear anybody attempting to question Barack’s saintliness was provided by British leftwinger Andrew Sullivan. Sullivan went absolutely crazy because Bill Kristol accurately noted how close Obama’s comment about religion was to Karl Marx’s statement that religion is the opium of the masses. Sullivan quickly retored by dismissing Mr. Kristol as “a nonChristian”. Sullivan apparently thought that by “outing” Mr. Kristol as being Jewish, he was somehow destroying Mr. Kristol’s legitimacy. Sullivan’s shameful behavior was yet one more example of left wing bigotry.

  4. #291055
    On April 17th, 2008 at 10:17 am, ajmontana said:

    “Faux News Alert”
    Phone lines jammed with donations(iranian funded)at both Hillary and Obama campaigns following last nights debate.
    code pink members wetting themselves over last nights iraq answers.
    film at 11:00

  5. #291056
    On April 17th, 2008 at 10:18 am, spo-con said:

    As usual,the Kos gang are out of control.This is like teasing the dog through the fence.Good humor……..

  6. #291060
    On April 17th, 2008 at 10:19 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    On April 17th, 2008 at 10:08 am, Trollman said:

    Love the moniker! Chosen because of sarcasm no doubt? Love the post. I have always loved the Clinton drawl.

  7. #291061
    On April 17th, 2008 at 10:20 am, sonofdy said:

    Obama is racking up quite a list of friends.
    1/ Rev Wright (racist anti-american)
    2/ 2 Anti-american terrorists (who actualy bombed the pentagon and still think it was the right thing to do)

    I am sure we can add to that list. I knew I couldn’t support him when he said he would never launch nukes even if we were attacked with nukes, but this is getting worse and worse. McCain is not my first pick, but between Obama and McCain, there is not even a question of who I would pick.

  8. #291064
    On April 17th, 2008 at 10:21 am, sonofdy said:

    code pink members wetting themselves over last nights iraq answers.
    film at 11:00

    Please, not film of old women wetting themselves. eeewwww

  9. #291067
    On April 17th, 2008 at 10:23 am, spackle said:

    I guess they prefer tho old Soviet style rubber stamp “elections”.

  10. #291075
    On April 17th, 2008 at 10:31 am, lgm said:

    LiveRight said (#63):

    The one I go to has some incredibly awful comments and stories. Vile, demeaning, insulting, etc.

    This is true of DailyKos and MM, and to the same degree. You might recognize MM posts as being vile because you agree with them.

  11. #291079
    On April 17th, 2008 at 10:33 am, flyovercountry said:

    Where were the questions asking about their feeeeeelings? That’s what’s important, how much do they care?

    Sarc/off

    Charles Gibson and George Stephanopoulos, my hats off to you! If you can evoke this type of response from the left, you have really accomplished something.

  12. #291082
    On April 17th, 2008 at 10:35 am, Mohawk said:

    How much longer are the Hussein supporters going to be fooled that this does not directly affect Hussein’s integrity!

    These are the people that Hussein considers colleagues, friends, and associates?!

  13. #291083
    On April 17th, 2008 at 10:37 am, iowavette said:

    At the end of the day, they’ve both been in the senate for a considerable period of time and have nothing to show for it.

  14. #291084
    On April 17th, 2008 at 10:38 am, sonofdy said:

    lgm, I look at all the websites and I have never seen the outright hatred, bigotry and even death threats here like I routinely see on the huffington post, daily kos and others. I personaly have recieved death threats on those other sites. I usualy laugh at them because I never give my real address on the web. But still, it is liberals who are the most deranged on the web.

  15. #291085
    On April 17th, 2008 at 10:38 am, Christinewjc said:

    Didn’t watch the debate, but have been enjoying reading about it here!

    Just visited the American Prospect link that corona posted and could not believe what I was reading in this comment:

    “I TOTALLY agree. I didn’t know about Ayers, and it IS a problem, but that does not shake my confidence in Barack Obama the man. The first 1/3 of the debate was disgraceful. Really, the tenor of the debate is odd.

    Posted by: N Smith”

    Finding out about Obama’s connections and friendship with admitted home-grown terrorist, William Ayers (plus all the other negatives regarding Obama) and still claiming to have confidence in “Obama the man” definitely shows how the lunatic fringe of liberalism are hopelessly drunk with rancid Kool Aid.

    A comment like “N. Smith’s” is solid proof that all reasonable brain activity must be entirely closed off at the “liberalism is a mental disorder” door!

  16. #291089
    On April 17th, 2008 at 10:38 am, Knife-n-Dork said:

    Let’s not forget this great question from Charlie Gibson re: capital gains tax cuts.

    MR. GIBSON: And in each instance, when the rate dropped, revenues from the tax increased. The government took in more money. And in the 1980s, when the tax was increased to 28 percent, the revenues went down. So why raise it at all, especially given the fact that 100 million people in this country own stock and would be affected?

    When BO answered by talking about raising taxes for the “purposes of fairness” and worried about find new revenue, Charlie didn’t let up.

    MR. GIBSON: But history shows that when you drop the capital gains tax, the revenues go up.

  17. #291097
    On April 17th, 2008 at 10:45 am, prendad said:

    I usually don’t watch these “debates” because it’s sort of like watching “it’s a mad mad mad mad world” for the tenth time. I will certainly tune in to the MSM comedy demi-hour tonight for some laughs. Can’t wait.

  18. #291098
    On April 17th, 2008 at 10:46 am, ajmontana said:

    We should probably cut Oblahma some slack, he’s just dizzy from all the spinning done on previous comments he’s made, and we all know now that Hilldebeast is just sleep deprived. :shock:

  19. #291099
    On April 17th, 2008 at 10:47 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    The troll is not on topic and baiting you. Don’t feed the idiot.

    PLEASE!

  20. #291114
    On April 17th, 2008 at 10:54 am, sonofdy said:

    I think the bottom line here is we have FINALLY seen the DNC candidates finally face harder questions, and neither did well outside thier comfort zone. This is not ABC’s fault.

  21. #291116
    On April 17th, 2008 at 10:56 am, GOPGin said:

    On April 17th, 2008 at 9:46 am, katablog said:

    The liberals say they wanted issue questions – well if the candidate talking doesn’t have a tested character under file, what’s the point of them answering anything.

    Good point kat!

    If we can’t trust HRC to be honest about her time as first lady, why should we trust her with our health care?

    Obama’s judgement has proven questionable over the past few weeks with the Wright situation & the Pennsylvania situation, so why should we trust his judgement on Iraq?

    If we can’t trust a candidates character, judgement, integrity & honesty, what’s the point of listening to their issues?

  22. #291122
    On April 17th, 2008 at 11:02 am, terrig said:

    Soap,staying on my diet today and trolls aren’t on the menu. ;)

  23. #291123
    On April 17th, 2008 at 11:03 am, tgusa said:

    If it were not obvious that the democrats can’t handle the truth it is now. Barack exhibits nothing that I am familiar with as being American, Hillary prolly makes a lousy sammich. Both of these people have displayed some of the worst judgment I have ever seen, read or heard rumors about. Attention democrat hiders, we are not stupid like you, your idiotic games only work when you keep them to yourselves. They might as well put Gilligan and Ginger up for the nomination, at least then it would be entertaining. A that would be a whole lot better than the there hour boor we are getting so far.

  24. #291129
    On April 17th, 2008 at 11:07 am, CO of Fort Housewife said:

    On April 17th, 2008 at 9:10 am, OldSailor88 said:I finally saw B. Hussein Obama admit that he didn’t care what the pullout would do. The Commander in Chief makes the orders and the Generals follow. Coming out of the mouth of a person who has never even served in his high school JROTC, that is one very scary statement. It’s his way or no way, and that will literally cost us thousands of lives on the pull out while making the value of the lives lost in getting where we are today in Iraq valueless. Not to mention leaving the Iraqis out to dry so that Iran can slaughter them and take over the country.

    And Hillary as well. I told my husband that she really locked up the Code Pink vote, by saying she doesn’t care if the military commanders say the region will be destabilized, she’s pulling out anyway. Make me wanna puke.

    by the way, was SarahAnnie talking to you last night on NB? :) that’s me.

  25. #291137
    On April 17th, 2008 at 11:12 am, Silkyinfamous said:

    Charlie Gibson and his sidekick George George Stephanopoulos(aka Jesse Katsopolis, Have Mercy!) were on target last night. Did you notice the numerous shots of Chelsea. Everytime they shot over to her, I jumped out of my seat and was wondering if I was watching a debate or political horror movie. Numerous Puns intended.

  26. #291138
    On April 17th, 2008 at 11:13 am, conservativeindian said:
  27. #291152
    On April 17th, 2008 at 11:25 am, TexasTiger said:

    On April 17th, 2008 at 10:47 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    The troll is not on topic and baiting you. Don’t feed the idiot.

    PLEASE!

    Seagull, not troll! We all know what happens when you feed the seagulls. :(

    Swoop-poop-swoop.

  28. #291153
    On April 17th, 2008 at 11:27 am, Jim M. said:

    If trolls are not fed, they will find another venue that provides nourishment. Especially those trolls who have gone from drinking the kool aid to snorting it in powdered form.

    As to the topic at hand, I disagree that the issues raised were “gotcha” issues. They go the very heart of the candidates’ character and integrity. Scripted speech delivered with the aid of a teleprompter provide an opportunity for a candidate to appear to be all things to all people while masking their true character and beliefs.

    Are honesty and integrity no longer important? Does a candidate’s TV persona and charisma trump their true mettle?

    And the issues raised are more than soound bites of “mistakes”. The issues reflect a stunning departure between what we are being told and what the candidates actually believe. In that department, Obama is the clear leader over Hillary. He’ll immediately pull troops out of Iraq, but his advisors say he’ll leave a “quick reaction force” in place that happens to be twice the number of troops we have maintained in Korea for 50 years. He says he will obliterate NAFTA, while telling our trading partners in secret to ignore his campaign promises. He believes the right to bear arms is an individual right under the Constitution, yet he believes that government entities at all levels can impose restrictions on those rights that have no equivalent with other individual rights such as religion and speech. He states he does not accept money from corporations (which is illegal) and special interests, yet at least half of all funds he has raised have been through bundlers who just happen to be lobbying for their own interests. He denounces his pastors rhetoric and asks people to believe that in over 20 years of associating with Jeremiah Wright, he never heard a discouraging word. He claims to be a staunch ally of Israel, yet surrounds himself with advisors who are decidely anti-Israel (by the way, Hamas just came out in support of Obama).

    The questions and issues raised in the debate are VERY relevant. Character and integrity DO count. If a slick presence in front of a camera is all we need, we would be better to look to Hollywood for our presidential candidates rather than government.

  29. #291159
    On April 17th, 2008 at 11:32 am, lgm said:

    On-my-soap-box said:

    The troll is not on topic and baiting you. Don’t feed the idiot.

    PLEASE!

    Pretty emotional aren’t we. No unhingedness here?

  30. #291164
    On April 17th, 2008 at 11:37 am, ProtestShooter said:

    A lot of dems seem to have a disconnect where they feel like they should be running the general by now, but yet it’s still the primary and it’s not time yet for everybody to be nice to each other.

  31. #291170
    On April 17th, 2008 at 11:39 am, Trollman said:

    Love the moniker! Chosen because of sarcasm no doubt?

    “Trollman” is a term of endearment for my favorite political commentator – Charles Krauthammer. He is a brilliant man, although he has a face that was made for radio. Sorry Charles, but you know I got your back! =)

  32. #291186
    On April 17th, 2008 at 11:46 am, DaveC said:

    lgm is proving the headline of this post

  33. #291200
    On April 17th, 2008 at 11:52 am, nbarry said:

    Yes, the questions asked were gotcha questions, but they had to be asked, since the candidates’ songs and dances were too much even for ABC News. My advice to Hillary and Hussein is, better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubts.

  34. #291208
    On April 17th, 2008 at 11:54 am, tgusa said:

    Democrats avoiding, not answering or becoming indignant over the asking of certain questions. It’s like the banning of tag only at the (supposed) grown up level. Hands off people!

  35. #291217
    On April 17th, 2008 at 11:57 am, Mister P said:

    And watching the dynamic between Stephanopolous and Hillary is fascinating. He fawned all over her in the book he wrote after leaving the White House. I think the book ends with the two of them weeping while saying goodbye. I’m completely serious.

    Now, certainly you don’t think there was hanky panky going on. Not with a Clinton. ;=0

  36. #291227
    On April 17th, 2008 at 12:01 pm, Mister P said:

    “Trollman” is a term of endearment for my favorite political commentator – Charles Krauthammer. He is a brilliant man, although he has a face that was made for radio. Sorry Charles, but you know I got your back! =)

    He is brilliant, though I don’t know what your problem with his face is. His brilliance is that he keeps things simple. For example it was the “cling” to religion and guns that was the problem with Obama’a statements, not the use of bitter.
    Another great commentator is Schaffley.

  37. #291229
    On April 17th, 2008 at 12:02 pm, Dan Lee said:

    On-my-soap-box said:

    The troll is not on topic and baiting you. Don’t feed the idiot.

    LGM: PLEASE!
    Pretty emotional aren’t we. No unhingedness here?

    I really prefer to encourage lgm to talk, because that’s always a winning strategy for any conservative or psychotherapist.

    Imagine if psychotherapists didn’t allow their patients to speak, because they didn’t want to tolerate their paranoid rantings? We wouldn’t be able to help any of the mentally ill.

    Really, be humane & let lgm get these things off his/her chest. It’s just the Right thing to do. (As opposed to the “left” thing to do.) ;)

    ~Dan Lee

  38. #291243
    On April 17th, 2008 at 12:09 pm, ajmontana said:

    or just say uh uh, uh huh, and pretend to write things in your notepad. :lol:

  39. #291252
    On April 17th, 2008 at 12:12 pm, greenfairie said:

    The nutroots’ spasms mean that ABC actually did its job. Hey, I’d expect tough questions of John McCain too.

  40. #291261
    On April 17th, 2008 at 12:17 pm, TheOtherSide said:

    One thing I picked up on last night was this line from Hillary:

    “I will do everything to make sure that the people who supported me support our nominee.”

    Is she conceding?

    Rooster said:
    Obama proved that he is a liar….again. He repeated his lies of never being in church during “those sermons.”

    And you have proof of this Rooster? I’m sure with the knowledge of the dates Wright made these statements and with the knowledge of Obama’s schedule the right would have found that proof if it had existed.

  41. #291267
    On April 17th, 2008 at 12:22 pm, tarheelcon said:

    Oh and I check Kossacks and apparently Hillary Clinton is no longer a Democrat in their eyes.

  42. #291268
    On April 17th, 2008 at 12:23 pm, Dan Lee said:

    On April 17th, 2008 at 12:17 pm, TheOtherSide said:
    One thing I picked up on last night was this line from Hillary:

    “I will do everything to make sure that the people who supported me support our nominee.”

    Is she conceding?

    I don’t think she is OtherSide.. I think she’s tryiing to seem like she’s “above Obama” since the Elitist thing has found some traction.

    The Clinton’s have never conceded anything in their political lives.

    So what I’m saying is that she’s doing her usual stealth “conceiting”, rather than “conceding”.. ~Dan Lee

  43. #291273
    On April 17th, 2008 at 12:26 pm, TheOtherSide said:

    On April 17th, 2008 at 12:23 pm, Dan Lee said:
    The Clinton’s have never conceded anything in their political lives.

    I agree, Dan Lee. She will never publicly concede, but I think her statement revealed her own understanding that her battle is lost.

  44. #291278
    On April 17th, 2008 at 12:28 pm, sonofdy said:

    This is my favorite excuse from Obama. He spent TWENTY years in the church and he never noticed that his preacher was a racist anti-american? Either he is blind and stupid (he is niether) or he is simply lying to cover his butt. To say he was never there for “those” sermons, yet was an on-going member of that church and had no idea how his “spritual leader” felt about these issues is simply too much to believe. You would have to be a true believe not to see through these lies.

  45. #291290
    On April 17th, 2008 at 12:33 pm, rooster said:

    TOS,
    You keep trying. What we heard is standard sermon speak from Rev Wright. Did you miss his eulogy the other day? He offered the same stuff, different venue.

    Do you believe anyone that isn’t a lib is an a moron?

  46. #291295
    On April 17th, 2008 at 12:36 pm, corona said:

    No one else has noticed that conservatives are still Not Found?!

  47. #291297
    On April 17th, 2008 at 12:37 pm, Barry F. said:

    20 years multiplied by 52 weeks in a year equates to about 1040 Sundays.

    So, by several sheer strokes of luck, Barack Obama was not in church on any of the Sundays when Jeremiah Wright spewed forth his racist anti-American diatriabes? I find it hard to believe that such speech from Wright was limited to just a handful of Sundays when Obama, as a “person of faith”, as he likes to refer to himself, was not sitting amongst the rest of the congregation.

    Color me cynical, if you must. But, that is too much of a stretch for any thinking person that is capable of reason.

  48. #291299
    On April 17th, 2008 at 12:37 pm, TheOtherSide said:

    Rooster,

    Waiting on that “proof” that he lied about “those sermons”.

  49. #291305
    On April 17th, 2008 at 12:41 pm, sonofdy said:

    http://www.tucc.org/about.htm

    The churches own web site. TOS, Oh please If you go to the churches web site it is clear what they are about. If the church was white based instead of black based it would be considered a white supremist religon.

  50. #291308
    On April 17th, 2008 at 12:42 pm, rooster said:

    Dan Lee,
    You are sort of right concerning littlegirlyman, but he is wacked on nearly every issue. He is here primarily to iritate, not to argue a point. It is a he, someone has a link with his picture, unkempt beard and all.

    He is another liberal in education destroying young minds at the university level in New York.

  51. #291314
    On April 17th, 2008 at 12:44 pm, Dan Lee said:

    On April 17th, 2008 at 12:26 pm, TheOtherSide said:
    On April 17th, 2008 at 12:23 pm, Dan Lee said:
    The Clinton’s have never conceded anything in their political lives.
    I agree, Dan Lee. She will never publicly concede, but I think her statement revealed her own understanding that her battle is lost.

    You may be right OtherSide.. It could have been a Freudian Slip of sorts.. No crying, so maybe it wasn’t a fake statement!

    In any case, I hope she wins in PA.. I’m enjoying watching them pummel each other all the way to the convention, & oh the money they are blowing! It’s delicious! =P

    ~ Dan Lee

  52. #291316
    On April 17th, 2008 at 12:44 pm, Salt said:

    On April 17th, 2008 at 12:36 pm, corona said:

    No one else has noticed that conservatives are still Not Found?!

    Judging by the link, I believe this is what Michelle intended: link

  53. #291327
    On April 17th, 2008 at 12:50 pm, Harris said:

    You have to keep in mind that with the Left almost every incident occurs in the “Grey Area”. You could say, “The sky is blue and water is wet,” and the reply would be, “Not at night and not when it’s frozen.” The condition is called being so open-minded that your brains fall out.

    Rooster made the logical assumption that by knowing someone as a friend, pastor, or acquaintance for 20-plus years most people would have at least a clue of where that individual stood on certain issues. Yes, there is a chance that Obama was unaware of Wright’s comments and attitude just like there is a chance the lottery ticket I bought will win.

    If you would like to understand the thought process put a D battery in a sock and simply hit yourself in the face with it several times.

  54. #291328
    On April 17th, 2008 at 12:52 pm, tgusa said:

    Why don’t democrats admit that in a post 9-11 world they have offered up an islamist sympathizer? Islamist sympathizer is putting it mildly, I don’t think BO has ever met a militant he didn’t like or listen to. Through improper vetting and the rush to look inclusive they have chosen an anti candidate the only thing they can do at this point is hide the truth. They have to pretend that they were not here or there or tell us that they never heard this or that. World leaders are not as dumb as pastor wrong this type of rhetoric will not fly in places where people have stayed in school and took the time to think and learn while they were there. Am I the only one who see’s parallels between the democrats and America and the palestinians and Israel? The US version of hamas and fatah.

  55. #291329
    On April 17th, 2008 at 12:52 pm, nyk said:

    #37 lgm wrote:
    The moderators were bad. They kept the debate focused on gaffes rather than policy. Instead of debating health care, Iraq, jobs, education…they went back and forth on “would you support him/her if nominated?, can she/he beat McCain?,” etc.

    It was the equivalent of a debate in which John McCain is repeatedly asked about his (political and personal) relationship with lobbyist Vicki Iseman; the particulars of the insulting names he calls his wife; his endorsement by Catholic-bashing pastor John Hagee; and his six degrees of separation from Kevin Bacon.

    And yes, it was a questionable call to have George Stephanopoulos serve as moderator. Political forums used to avoid even the appearance of impropriety (or so I’m told, since that hasn’t been the case since I’ve come of age, here in the FOX News era). It’s one thing to have James Carville or Pat Buchanan serve as a talking head, and quite another to have them moderate a forum such as this.

    And it’s not just those on the left crowing. Uber-conservative Jonah Goldberg of the National Review Online last night wrote, “I’m no leftwing blogger, but I can only imagine how furious they must be with the debate so far. Nothing on any issues. Just a lot of box-checking on how the candidates will respond to various Republican talking points come the fall.”

    http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OGNmMmQyOThkMjRhYjBjMmVlMzcwMmEyYjFlNjhkNDY=

  56. #291331
    On April 17th, 2008 at 12:52 pm, Dan Lee said:

    Hehehe Rooster.. Post # 127? That was more directed at lgm than at my esteemed & tenured colleague in Conservatism, OMSB.. (I’m just talking like that to make the educational elitists feel at home.)

    It’s dripping with sarcasm, no?

    Sorry, I thought I made it obvious enough. =P

    Hey, if that lgm dude is an educator, then I just want to take a moment to let him know that Ben Stein’s movie “Expelled” opens this Friday in a theater near him!

    lgm might be able to get some “Professional Development” hours credited if he goes & sees it. He might also find his true purpose in life.

    ~ Dan Lee

  57. #291333
    On April 17th, 2008 at 12:55 pm, yeper said:

    They have threaten to murder the girl who taped Obama out in S.F.

    http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Obama_death_threats/2008/04/15/88034.html

  58. #291335
    On April 17th, 2008 at 12:55 pm, ajmontana said:

    TheOtherSide said:
    Rooster,

    Waiting on that “proof” that he lied about “those sermons”.

    If anyone thinks he didnt hear the dipstick “Rev” speak in this hate spewing rhetoric over a 20 year period they are beyond naive.

  59. #291341
    On April 17th, 2008 at 1:00 pm, TheOtherSide said:

    Harris & sonofdy,

    Before I start hitting myself in the head with a D battery filled sock let’s look at rooster’s post:

    Obama proved that he is a liar….again. He repeated his lies of never being in church during “those sermons.”

    I am not doubting that Obama heard many a controversial statement given by Wright from the pews. But “those sermons” is a reference to the ones we have heard played over and over again, namely the “G D America” one after 9/11. Obama claims he was not there for “those sermons” and Rooster claims proof that he is lying. I’m wondering, given the tenacity of investigation of some of the right-wing bloggers, how come no one as found proof contrary to what Obama claims?

  60. #291346
    On April 17th, 2008 at 1:02 pm, Mister P said:

    Obama claims he was not there for “those sermons” and Rooster claims proof that he is lying. I’m wondering, given the tenacity of investigation of some of the right-wing bloggers, how come no one as found proof contrary to what Obama claims?

    Because his statement is incredulous.

  61. #291348
    On April 17th, 2008 at 1:03 pm, Harris said:

    As far as trolls I have to disagree with Soap; the trolls provide an opportunity. They offer up the spoon-fed talking points and twisted logic that someone may encounter from people in everyday life. By seeing the arguments the left is making you can formulate a thoughtful response to hopefully save a rational person who has otherwise had their brain hijacked. I find and capitalize on these opportunities on a daily basis at the college I attend.

    Case in point: A young guitarist tore one of those silly ‘Che’ stickers from his case after I explained to him who that murderer was. The kid had the outward appearance of a typical college-indoctrinated youth, yet was not entirely lost.

  62. #291350
    On April 17th, 2008 at 1:05 pm, asheman said:

    High dudgeon. I hate it when Michelle makes me look up a word. Keep up the good work Michelle. (Anger or resentment for anyone else that did not want to ask)

  63. #291358
    On April 17th, 2008 at 1:09 pm, corkie said:

    Nutty comments in DailyKos have nothing on nutty comments here.

    lgm, you know that I’m not a fan of the few unhinged comments on this website, however your statement is simply not true.

    Furthermore, it is not a matter of perspective. An objective observer would definitely find the DailyKos much worse.

    That being said, I would still like to see this site improved a bit.

  64. #291360
    On April 17th, 2008 at 1:12 pm, Harris said:

    While my previous post attempted to label troll postings as opportunities, TOS was totally negating that concept by typing up a message arguing the subtleties of the English language. TOS post was not, in any shape, form, or fashion, the kind of opportunity I was referring to.

    The ones debating the importance of character, however, do. When students at my school pose the question,”What does it matter what a candidate does in there personal time?,” I generally respond thus:
    If a candidate cannot remain faithful to his wife, why should I expect him to remain faithful to his office?
    If a candidate cannot recognize a problem within his church, how can he recognize a problem within the entire country?
    If a candidate associates with and befriends anti-American people in his personal life, how can I expect him to loyally serve as the President?

    TOS wants to argue semantics and grammar, which is called throwing the focus.

  65. #291361
    On April 17th, 2008 at 1:12 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    On April 17th, 2008 at 1:03 pm, Harris said:
    As far as trolls I have to disagree with Soap;

    We see eye to eye. Feeding their adiction to thread jack is what I have a problem with! ;)

  66. #291363
    On April 17th, 2008 at 1:13 pm, ajmontana said:

    That being said, I would still like to see this site improved a bit.

    how?

  67. #291372
    On April 17th, 2008 at 1:19 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    That being said, I would still like to see this site improved a bit.

    There are some comments that are uncalled for and get deleted from time to time. If there was a message that said:

    “Comment deleted because of content”

    I think we would all be surprised.

  68. #291373
    On April 17th, 2008 at 1:19 pm, Harris said:

    Soap,
    I do recognize what their constant agenda on this site is; transform the treads into insult contests, goad responders into over-the-top comments, then report back to their home base with accusations of ‘right-wing-unhingement’. However, I do so love stomping on them.
    Harris

  69. #291374
    On April 17th, 2008 at 1:19 pm, rooster said:

    TOS

    I hate to keep saying this but, you are a moron.

    Have you ever been to a large black church? They have a big business inside their compound, selling every sermon at the on base book/video store.

    Your messiah admitted listening to his sermons when he was at Harvard. You can only do that if you purchase them and listen to them later.

    By your logic, Obama had no need to be in church right after 9/11, or felt the need to purchase Rev Wrights sermon to provide some comfort after what just happened to our nation.

    To make the chickens comin’ home to roost statements Rev Wright did in the first sermon after 9/11 would have been the talk of the congregation, even if Barry wasn’t there he would have heard about it.

    I do believe members of black churches have phones and do socialize with one another outside of church. You really think Barry never knew his mentor is a black separatist and hates America and is committed to Africa first.

  70. #291379
    On April 17th, 2008 at 1:20 pm, Barry F. said:

    On April 17th, 2008 at 1:13 pm, ajmontana said:

    That being said, I would still like to see this site improved a bit.

    how?

    I would be curious to hear that too.

  71. #291383
    On April 17th, 2008 at 1:23 pm, Barry F. said:

    Alright. Can we use another name for Obama, besides “Barry”, please? That is my given name, not a nickname. And, even being seen as having something in common with him, even if it is fabricated for him makes me uneasy. ;-)

  72. #291384
    On April 17th, 2008 at 1:24 pm, ajmontana said:

    Alright. Can we use another name for Obama, besides “Barry”, please?

    How bout Crap tapper?

  73. #291386
    On April 17th, 2008 at 1:26 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    #116, JimM: He believes the right to bear arms is an individual right under the Constitution, yet he believes that government entities at all levels can impose restrictions on those rights that have no equivalent with other individual rights such as religion and speech

    Good post Jim, but I’m betting he also thinks the government can abidge any rights they want to if it helps bring about their desired goals.

    He is far and away more dangerous to this country than Hillary in my opinion.

  74. #291392
    On April 17th, 2008 at 1:27 pm, TheOtherSide said:

    On April 17th, 2008 at 1:12 pm, Harris said:
    TOS wants to argue semantics and grammar, which is called throwing the focus.

    BS…I want to argue the truth. Rooster made a fallacious statement regarding Obama’s honesty. Is honesty not an important part of character? I’m still awaiting “proof” of Obama’s lies regarding Wright. Personally, I find honesty a more important quality of character than what compnay one keeps.

  75. #291394
    On April 17th, 2008 at 1:28 pm, Harris said:

    The Messiah
    His Royal Majesty
    The Half-White Hope

  76. #291396
    On April 17th, 2008 at 1:30 pm, ajmontana said:

    careful you better go with…
    “Half Wit Hope”

  77. #291400
    On April 17th, 2008 at 1:32 pm, Harris said:

    And what of a dishonest person who keeps bad company as well?

    “He’s a Klansman, but hey, he’s honest!”

  78. #291402
    On April 17th, 2008 at 1:33 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    Harris,

    Eye to eye, eye to eye!!!

    It is best to poke fun at lgm. He is here to get people stirred up so he can cruise over to Dkos and say. “see, I told you so” like some kinda third grader!

    I have found that if you poke fun at him, when he tells his buddies how bad I am, they might just get a good laugh!

  79. #291407
    On April 17th, 2008 at 1:37 pm, PBoilermaker said:

    On April 17th, 2008 at 1:33 pm, On-my-soap-box said:
    It is best to poke fun at lgm.

    Yes, yes it is.

  80. #291415
    On April 17th, 2008 at 1:40 pm, TheOtherSide said:

    On April 17th, 2008 at 1:32 pm, Harris said:
    And what of a dishonest person who keeps bad company as well?

    “He’s a Klansman, but hey, he’s honest!”

    I would not think highly of “a dishonest person who keeps bad company as well”. And personally, I would not think highly of any Klansman.

  81. #291420
    On April 17th, 2008 at 1:41 pm, BayStateRepublican said:

    My reaction to the first hour last night was that it will likely be a while before Hillary gives time to ABC.

    Harris – semantics and grammar – yes. I hadn’t really noticed much of those kind of jabs here until recently.

    Pretty funny too. We’re to discount the truth because of comma faults? Apostrophes? Punctuation and Grammar? MLA Handbook? Puleese

  82. #291423
    On April 17th, 2008 at 1:42 pm, Storm Chaser said:

    Obama is either a liar or a fool. That he listened to his minister’s rants for twenty years with little reaction until the news got out says one thing.

    His being active in a church
    such as his without knowing most of what his minister said for twenty years as he claims, says another. Neither is complementary.

    I like trolls. I was once the only moderate on a Janeane Garafalo message board, and they considered me a troll until they got to know me.

  83. #291433
    On April 17th, 2008 at 1:47 pm, old trooper said:

    Bottom Line:
    * The Klintons are Grifters and Shameless Liars!
    * Obama and his America Hating Wife and Pastor are Marxist Trash that rode skin color to their advantage like Sharpton and Jesse “show me the money” Jackson.
    * The Socialists and Marxists that masquerede as Democrats are driven to destroy the Country that I defended for 28 years.
    * I am not bitter, just watching all of this with exterme concern.
    * I Hope that their Changes do not come to pass. They are not good ones!

  84. #291441
    On April 17th, 2008 at 1:50 pm, Harris said:

    Although I am dreadfully tired of the Rev. Wright scandal, it, as constantly stated previously, is still a valid point and question to ask someone seeking the highest office in this country.
    “How can you attend a church for over 20 years and not know of Rev. Wright’s attitudes towards America? How can you consider someone a mentor and family member and not know these things? How can you belong, for 20 years to a church that is “Unashamedly Black” (which is not bad, as I am proud of my heritage as well) and teaches a separatist theology yet speak of uniting our nation.? Please answer so I may better understand your character.”

  85. #291444
    On April 17th, 2008 at 1:51 pm, ajmontana said:

    When this is all over Hillary will need a bid and a drool cup and Obama will be back in his hate filled Church.

  86. #291449
    On April 17th, 2008 at 1:52 pm, Barry F. said:

    On April 17th, 2008 at 1:24 pm, ajmontana said:

    Alright. Can we use another name for Obama, besides “Barry”, please?

    How bout Crap tapper?

    Works for me, AJ. Anything but “Barry”. ;-)

  87. #291482
    On April 17th, 2008 at 2:07 pm, Harris said:

    I realize that Obama is a spectacular orator. His prepared speeches are delivered with an eloquence that soothes the untrained ear with an almost musical promise of change and hope. Unfortunately when the curtain is pulled back to reveal the man there is no audacious leader. None of the wondrous gleam survives the light of day; the marble of the statue is pitted and cracked. Yet the marveling throngs refuse to see. The doubts of the eyes and ears are ignored.

  88. #291497
    On April 17th, 2008 at 2:16 pm, old trooper said:

    Adolph Hitler and Vladimir Lenin were excellent orators but we know now what their Agenda brought their people.

    Obama is a Marxist and a Racist.

    Black Liberation Theology and Marxism are not a basis of preparation for leadership of the Free World.

    It is an outstanding recipe for disaster for Us.

  89. #291527
    On April 17th, 2008 at 2:37 pm, Trollman said:

    TheOtherSide said:

    I would not think highly of “a dishonest person who keeps bad company as well”. And personally, I would not think highly of any Klansman.

    Ooo, I think I know this one – is it Robert C. Byrd?

    Obama knew perfectly well what his preacher and his church were all about. If you noticed, while Wright is spewing this garbage, the people in the pews are cheering him on! This is at the core of what this whole church is all about.

    Anyone who doesn’t have the spine to stand up to people like Jeremiah Wright won’t be able to stand up to challenges facing our next president.

    By the way, my church makes CDs and DVDs of past services available for free in the foyer.

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