Nutroots go ballistic: We demand a stultifyingly dull debate! Or else!
Oh, the left-wing bloggers are in high dudgeon over the Democrat debate.
How could ABC News do it? Behold the teeth-gnashing. And hair-pulling. And foot-stomping.
How dare the ABC moderators ask questions about topics that are, you know, topical?
How dare they ask questions that–gasp!–conservatives are asking.
How dare they explore questions of character, truthfulness, and judgment?
Don’t you know you’re supposed to do the Schoolmarm thing or the Suck-Up thing or the Bogus Plant thing?
Don’t you know you’re supposed to just let the candidates bloviate about Compassion or Global Warming or Diversity or some other MSM-designated Important Issue?
Don’t you know you’re supposed to ask the same, old, recycled softball questions in order to allow the candidates to recite the same, old, recycled answers about their health plans, their housing plans, their Iraq withdrawal plans?
Why, this just proves the MSM is in cahoots with Fox News! (Or “Fix News,” as the pastor who shall not be named likes to call it.)
Charles Gibson is Rush Limbaugh’s puppet!
George Stephanopoulos is a traitor!
The nutroots campaign against ABC has begun. A Daily Kossack fumes:
President Barack should pull their Broadcasting License…We expect Objectivity George! We’re Watching you!
If they can’t have back their stultifyingly dull Democrat debates, dammit, they are going to get all Rumpelstiltskin and jump up and down ’til they burn a hole in the ground.
No more pesky questions about candidates’ lies and shady associations.
Call in Suzanne Malveaux and let’s get back to “Do you prefer diamonds or pearls?”
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Commenter 29Victor beat me to it: “Talk about bitter. So are all of these lefties going to turn to God, guns and prejudice now?”
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On April 17th, 2008 at 7:44 am, lgm said:
Au contraire, LGM! That’s the Clintons’ job – and, I might add, a job that they’ve performed exceptionally well since 1994.
Yeah, I bet folks aren’t happy the Democrats were confronted by real questions for a change. I about fell out of my chair when the moderators brought up the 2nd Amendment! This is how they should have handled it:
===============
Hillary’s plane lands amid a hotbed of sniper fire. Hillary “Annie Oakley” Clinton steps off the plane with her six-shooter.
Hillary: I no ways feel tiiidde!
Hillary singlehandedly picks off all of the snipers, allowing the little girl with flowers who had been previously pinned down, to greet her.
Hillary: We’ve come too faaaawwrr to let the vast Right-Wing-Conspiracy stop me now!
little girl: That was some impressive shooting; you saved my life!
Hillary: And now little girl, let’s go duck hunting on our way to church!
===============
Obama: I hope for a change in this country. I hope we change the meaning of the 2nd Amendment by reading it in a fresh way.
Obama whips out a copy of the Constitution and starts writing over it.
Obama: I mean, think about it. Do you really want people like Jeremiah Wright or the folks at Trinity owning guns? They might shoot you!
Obama pretends to make a “sudden move” to bring his point home.
Obama: Besides, come the fall, Hillary, McCain, or myself will be elected President. If conservatives own guns, they might shoot themselves!
Conservatives reluctantly nod their heads in agreement.
Obama finally gets tough questions and the whole media establishment goes crazy! But the most disgraceful example of left wing media types trying to destroy and smear anybody attempting to question Barack’s saintliness was provided by British leftwinger Andrew Sullivan. Sullivan went absolutely crazy because Bill Kristol accurately noted how close Obama’s comment about religion was to Karl Marx’s statement that religion is the opium of the masses. Sullivan quickly retored by dismissing Mr. Kristol as “a nonChristian”. Sullivan apparently thought that by “outing” Mr. Kristol as being Jewish, he was somehow destroying Mr. Kristol’s legitimacy. Sullivan’s shameful behavior was yet one more example of left wing bigotry.
“Faux News Alert”
Phone lines jammed with donations(iranian funded)at both Hillary and Obama campaigns following last nights debate.
code pink members wetting themselves over last nights iraq answers.
film at 11:00
As usual,the Kos gang are out of control.This is like teasing the dog through the fence.Good humor……..
Love the moniker! Chosen because of sarcasm no doubt? Love the post. I have always loved the Clinton drawl.
Obama is racking up quite a list of friends.
1/ Rev Wright (racist anti-american)
2/ 2 Anti-american terrorists (who actualy bombed the pentagon and still think it was the right thing to do)
I am sure we can add to that list. I knew I couldn’t support him when he said he would never launch nukes even if we were attacked with nukes, but this is getting worse and worse. McCain is not my first pick, but between Obama and McCain, there is not even a question of who I would pick.
Please, not film of old women wetting themselves. eeewwww
I guess they prefer tho old Soviet style rubber stamp “elections”.
LiveRight said (#63):
This is true of DailyKos and MM, and to the same degree. You might recognize MM posts as being vile because you agree with them.
Where were the questions asking about their feeeeeelings? That’s what’s important, how much do they care?
Sarc/off
Charles Gibson and George Stephanopoulos, my hats off to you! If you can evoke this type of response from the left, you have really accomplished something.
How much longer are the Hussein supporters going to be fooled that this does not directly affect Hussein’s integrity!
These are the people that Hussein considers colleagues, friends, and associates?!
At the end of the day, they’ve both been in the senate for a considerable period of time and have nothing to show for it.
lgm, I look at all the websites and I have never seen the outright hatred, bigotry and even death threats here like I routinely see on the huffington post, daily kos and others. I personaly have recieved death threats on those other sites. I usualy laugh at them because I never give my real address on the web. But still, it is liberals who are the most deranged on the web.
Didn’t watch the debate, but have been enjoying reading about it here!
Just visited the American Prospect link that corona posted and could not believe what I was reading in this comment:
“I TOTALLY agree. I didn’t know about Ayers, and it IS a problem, but that does not shake my confidence in Barack Obama the man. The first 1/3 of the debate was disgraceful. Really, the tenor of the debate is odd.
Posted by: N Smith”
Finding out about Obama’s connections and friendship with admitted home-grown terrorist, William Ayers (plus all the other negatives regarding Obama) and still claiming to have confidence in “Obama the man” definitely shows how the lunatic fringe of liberalism are hopelessly drunk with rancid Kool Aid.
A comment like “N. Smith’s” is solid proof that all reasonable brain activity must be entirely closed off at the “liberalism is a mental disorder” door!
Let’s not forget this great question from Charlie Gibson re: capital gains tax cuts.
When BO answered by talking about raising taxes for the “purposes of fairness” and worried about find new revenue, Charlie didn’t let up.
I usually don’t watch these “debates” because it’s sort of like watching “it’s a mad mad mad mad world” for the tenth time. I will certainly tune in to the MSM comedy demi-hour tonight for some laughs. Can’t wait.
We should probably cut Oblahma some slack, he’s just dizzy from all the spinning done on previous comments he’s made, and we all know now that Hilldebeast is just sleep deprived.
The troll is not on topic and baiting you. Don’t feed the idiot.
PLEASE!
I think the bottom line here is we have FINALLY seen the DNC candidates finally face harder questions, and neither did well outside thier comfort zone. This is not ABC’s fault.
Good point kat!
If we can’t trust HRC to be honest about her time as first lady, why should we trust her with our health care?
Obama’s judgement has proven questionable over the past few weeks with the Wright situation & the Pennsylvania situation, so why should we trust his judgement on Iraq?
If we can’t trust a candidates character, judgement, integrity & honesty, what’s the point of listening to their issues?
Soap,staying on my diet today and trolls aren’t on the menu.
If it were not obvious that the democrats can’t handle the truth it is now. Barack exhibits nothing that I am familiar with as being American, Hillary prolly makes a lousy sammich. Both of these people have displayed some of the worst judgment I have ever seen, read or heard rumors about. Attention democrat hiders, we are not stupid like you, your idiotic games only work when you keep them to yourselves. They might as well put Gilligan and Ginger up for the nomination, at least then it would be entertaining. A that would be a whole lot better than the there hour boor we are getting so far.
And Hillary as well. I told my husband that she really locked up the Code Pink vote, by saying she doesn’t care if the military commanders say the region will be destabilized, she’s pulling out anyway. Make me wanna puke.
by the way, was SarahAnnie talking to you last night on NB?
that’s me.
Charlie Gibson and his sidekick George George Stephanopoulos(aka Jesse Katsopolis, Have Mercy!) were on target last night. Did you notice the numerous shots of Chelsea. Everytime they shot over to her, I jumped out of my seat and was wondering if I was watching a debate or political horror movie. Numerous Puns intended.
And Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama said that as president, they would execute promises to begin the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq, even if their military commanders at the time advised them that it would be wiser to keep troops on the ground
Wow, they do support the troops.
Seagull, not troll! We all know what happens when you feed the seagulls.
Swoop-poop-swoop.
If trolls are not fed, they will find another venue that provides nourishment. Especially those trolls who have gone from drinking the kool aid to snorting it in powdered form.
As to the topic at hand, I disagree that the issues raised were “gotcha” issues. They go the very heart of the candidates’ character and integrity. Scripted speech delivered with the aid of a teleprompter provide an opportunity for a candidate to appear to be all things to all people while masking their true character and beliefs.
Are honesty and integrity no longer important? Does a candidate’s TV persona and charisma trump their true mettle?
And the issues raised are more than soound bites of “mistakes”. The issues reflect a stunning departure between what we are being told and what the candidates actually believe. In that department, Obama is the clear leader over Hillary. He’ll immediately pull troops out of Iraq, but his advisors say he’ll leave a “quick reaction force” in place that happens to be twice the number of troops we have maintained in Korea for 50 years. He says he will obliterate NAFTA, while telling our trading partners in secret to ignore his campaign promises. He believes the right to bear arms is an individual right under the Constitution, yet he believes that government entities at all levels can impose restrictions on those rights that have no equivalent with other individual rights such as religion and speech. He states he does not accept money from corporations (which is illegal) and special interests, yet at least half of all funds he has raised have been through bundlers who just happen to be lobbying for their own interests. He denounces his pastors rhetoric and asks people to believe that in over 20 years of associating with Jeremiah Wright, he never heard a discouraging word. He claims to be a staunch ally of Israel, yet surrounds himself with advisors who are decidely anti-Israel (by the way, Hamas just came out in support of Obama).
The questions and issues raised in the debate are VERY relevant. Character and integrity DO count. If a slick presence in front of a camera is all we need, we would be better to look to Hollywood for our presidential candidates rather than government.
On-my-soap-box said:
Pretty emotional aren’t we. No unhingedness here?
A lot of dems seem to have a disconnect where they feel like they should be running the general by now, but yet it’s still the primary and it’s not time yet for everybody to be nice to each other.
“Trollman” is a term of endearment for my favorite political commentator – Charles Krauthammer. He is a brilliant man, although he has a face that was made for radio. Sorry Charles, but you know I got your back! =)
lgm is proving the headline of this post
Yes, the questions asked were gotcha questions, but they had to be asked, since the candidates’ songs and dances were too much even for ABC News. My advice to Hillary and Hussein is, better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubts.
Democrats avoiding, not answering or becoming indignant over the asking of certain questions. It’s like the banning of tag only at the (supposed) grown up level. Hands off people!
Now, certainly you don’t think there was hanky panky going on. Not with a Clinton. ;=0
He is brilliant, though I don’t know what your problem with his face is. His brilliance is that he keeps things simple. For example it was the “cling” to religion and guns that was the problem with Obama’a statements, not the use of bitter.
Another great commentator is Schaffley.
I really prefer to encourage lgm to talk, because that’s always a winning strategy for any conservative or psychotherapist.
Imagine if psychotherapists didn’t allow their patients to speak, because they didn’t want to tolerate their paranoid rantings? We wouldn’t be able to help any of the mentally ill.
Really, be humane & let lgm get these things off his/her chest. It’s just the Right thing to do. (As opposed to the “left” thing to do.)
~Dan Lee
or just say uh uh, uh huh, and pretend to write things in your notepad.
The nutroots’ spasms mean that ABC actually did its job. Hey, I’d expect tough questions of John McCain too.
One thing I picked up on last night was this line from Hillary:
“I will do everything to make sure that the people who supported me support our nominee.”
Is she conceding?
And you have proof of this Rooster? I’m sure with the knowledge of the dates Wright made these statements and with the knowledge of Obama’s schedule the right would have found that proof if it had existed.
Oh and I check Kossacks and apparently Hillary Clinton is no longer a Democrat in their eyes.
I don’t think she is OtherSide.. I think she’s tryiing to seem like she’s “above Obama” since the Elitist thing has found some traction.
The Clinton’s have never conceded anything in their political lives.
So what I’m saying is that she’s doing her usual stealth “conceiting”, rather than “conceding”.. ~Dan Lee
I agree, Dan Lee. She will never publicly concede, but I think her statement revealed her own understanding that her battle is lost.
This is my favorite excuse from Obama. He spent TWENTY years in the church and he never noticed that his preacher was a racist anti-american? Either he is blind and stupid (he is niether) or he is simply lying to cover his butt. To say he was never there for “those” sermons, yet was an on-going member of that church and had no idea how his “spritual leader” felt about these issues is simply too much to believe. You would have to be a true believe not to see through these lies.
TOS,
You keep trying. What we heard is standard sermon speak from Rev Wright. Did you miss his eulogy the other day? He offered the same stuff, different venue.
Do you believe anyone that isn’t a lib is
ana moron?No one else has noticed that conservatives are still Not Found?!
20 years multiplied by 52 weeks in a year equates to about 1040 Sundays.
So, by several sheer strokes of luck, Barack Obama was not in church on any of the Sundays when Jeremiah Wright spewed forth his racist anti-American diatriabes? I find it hard to believe that such speech from Wright was limited to just a handful of Sundays when Obama, as a “person of faith”, as he likes to refer to himself, was not sitting amongst the rest of the congregation.
Color me cynical, if you must. But, that is too much of a stretch for any thinking person that is capable of reason.
Rooster,
Waiting on that “proof” that he lied about “those sermons”.
http://www.tucc.org/about.htm
The churches own web site. TOS, Oh please If you go to the churches web site it is clear what they are about. If the church was white based instead of black based it would be considered a white supremist religon.
Dan Lee,
You are sort of right concerning littlegirlyman, but he is wacked on nearly every issue. He is here primarily to iritate, not to argue a point. It is a he, someone has a link with his picture, unkempt beard and all.
He is another liberal in education destroying young minds at the university level in New York.
You may be right OtherSide.. It could have been a Freudian Slip of sorts.. No crying, so maybe it wasn’t a fake statement!
In any case, I hope she wins in PA.. I’m enjoying watching them pummel each other all the way to the convention, & oh the money they are blowing! It’s delicious! =P
~ Dan Lee
Judging by the link, I believe this is what Michelle intended: link
You have to keep in mind that with the Left almost every incident occurs in the “Grey Area”. You could say, “The sky is blue and water is wet,” and the reply would be, “Not at night and not when it’s frozen.” The condition is called being so open-minded that your brains fall out.
Rooster made the logical assumption that by knowing someone as a friend, pastor, or acquaintance for 20-plus years most people would have at least a clue of where that individual stood on certain issues. Yes, there is a chance that Obama was unaware of Wright’s comments and attitude just like there is a chance the lottery ticket I bought will win.
If you would like to understand the thought process put a D battery in a sock and simply hit yourself in the face with it several times.
Why don’t democrats admit that in a post 9-11 world they have offered up an islamist sympathizer? Islamist sympathizer is putting it mildly, I don’t think BO has ever met a militant he didn’t like or listen to. Through improper vetting and the rush to look inclusive they have chosen an anti candidate the only thing they can do at this point is hide the truth. They have to pretend that they were not here or there or tell us that they never heard this or that. World leaders are not as dumb as pastor wrong this type of rhetoric will not fly in places where people have stayed in school and took the time to think and learn while they were there. Am I the only one who see’s parallels between the democrats and America and the palestinians and Israel? The US version of hamas and fatah.
#37 lgm wrote:
The moderators were bad. They kept the debate focused on gaffes rather than policy. Instead of debating health care, Iraq, jobs, education…they went back and forth on “would you support him/her if nominated?, can she/he beat McCain?,” etc.
Hehehe Rooster.. Post # 127? That was more directed at lgm than at my esteemed & tenured colleague in Conservatism, OMSB.. (I’m just talking like that to make the educational elitists feel at home.)
It’s dripping with sarcasm, no?
Sorry, I thought I made it obvious enough. =P
Hey, if that lgm dude is an educator, then I just want to take a moment to let him know that Ben Stein’s movie “Expelled” opens this Friday in a theater near him!
lgm might be able to get some “Professional Development” hours credited if he goes & sees it. He might also find his true purpose in life.
~ Dan Lee
They have threaten to murder the girl who taped Obama out in S.F.
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Obama_death_threats/2008/04/15/88034.html
If anyone thinks he didnt hear the dipstick “Rev” speak in this hate spewing rhetoric over a 20 year period they are beyond naive.
Harris & sonofdy,
Before I start hitting myself in the head with a D battery filled sock let’s look at rooster’s post:
I am not doubting that Obama heard many a controversial statement given by Wright from the pews. But “those sermons” is a reference to the ones we have heard played over and over again, namely the “G D America” one after 9/11. Obama claims he was not there for “those sermons” and Rooster claims proof that he is lying. I’m wondering, given the tenacity of investigation of some of the right-wing bloggers, how come no one as found proof contrary to what Obama claims?
Because his statement is incredulous.
As far as trolls I have to disagree with Soap; the trolls provide an opportunity. They offer up the spoon-fed talking points and twisted logic that someone may encounter from people in everyday life. By seeing the arguments the left is making you can formulate a thoughtful response to hopefully save a rational person who has otherwise had their brain hijacked. I find and capitalize on these opportunities on a daily basis at the college I attend.
Case in point: A young guitarist tore one of those silly ‘Che’ stickers from his case after I explained to him who that murderer was. The kid had the outward appearance of a typical college-indoctrinated youth, yet was not entirely lost.
High dudgeon. I hate it when Michelle makes me look up a word. Keep up the good work Michelle. (Anger or resentment for anyone else that did not want to ask)
lgm, you know that I’m not a fan of the few unhinged comments on this website, however your statement is simply not true.
Furthermore, it is not a matter of perspective. An objective observer would definitely find the DailyKos much worse.
That being said, I would still like to see this site improved a bit.
While my previous post attempted to label troll postings as opportunities, TOS was totally negating that concept by typing up a message arguing the subtleties of the English language. TOS post was not, in any shape, form, or fashion, the kind of opportunity I was referring to.
The ones debating the importance of character, however, do. When students at my school pose the question,”What does it matter what a candidate does in there personal time?,” I generally respond thus:
If a candidate cannot remain faithful to his wife, why should I expect him to remain faithful to his office?
If a candidate cannot recognize a problem within his church, how can he recognize a problem within the entire country?
If a candidate associates with and befriends anti-American people in his personal life, how can I expect him to loyally serve as the President?
TOS wants to argue semantics and grammar, which is called throwing the focus.
We see eye to eye. Feeding their adiction to thread jack is what I have a problem with!
how?
There are some comments that are uncalled for and get deleted from time to time. If there was a message that said:
“Comment deleted because of content”
I think we would all be surprised.
Soap,
I do recognize what their constant agenda on this site is; transform the treads into insult contests, goad responders into over-the-top comments, then report back to their home base with accusations of ‘right-wing-unhingement’. However, I do so love stomping on them.
Harris
TOS
I hate to keep saying this but, you are a moron.
Have you ever been to a large black church? They have a big business inside their compound, selling every sermon at the on base book/video store.
Your messiah admitted listening to his sermons when he was at Harvard. You can only do that if you purchase them and listen to them later.
By your logic, Obama had no need to be in church right after 9/11, or felt the need to purchase Rev Wrights sermon to provide some comfort after what just happened to our nation.
To make the chickens comin’ home to roost statements Rev Wright did in the first sermon after 9/11 would have been the talk of the congregation, even if Barry wasn’t there he would have heard about it.
I do believe members of black churches have phones and do socialize with one another outside of church. You really think Barry never knew his mentor is a black separatist and hates America and is committed to Africa first.
I would be curious to hear that too.
Alright. Can we use another name for Obama, besides “Barry”, please? That is my given name, not a nickname. And, even being seen as having something in common with him, even if it is fabricated for him makes me uneasy.
How bout Crap tapper?
Good post Jim, but I’m betting he also thinks the government can abidge any rights they want to if it helps bring about their desired goals.
He is far and away more dangerous to this country than Hillary in my opinion.
BS…I want to argue the truth. Rooster made a fallacious statement regarding Obama’s honesty. Is honesty not an important part of character? I’m still awaiting “proof” of Obama’s lies regarding Wright. Personally, I find honesty a more important quality of character than what compnay one keeps.
The Messiah
His Royal Majesty
The Half-White Hope
careful you better go with…
“Half Wit Hope”
And what of a dishonest person who keeps bad company as well?
“He’s a Klansman, but hey, he’s honest!”
Harris,
Eye to eye, eye to eye!!!
It is best to poke fun at lgm. He is here to get people stirred up so he can cruise over to Dkos and say. “see, I told you so” like some kinda third grader!
I have found that if you poke fun at him, when he tells his buddies how bad I am, they might just get a good laugh!
Yes, yes it is.
I would not think highly of “a dishonest person who keeps bad company as well”. And personally, I would not think highly of any Klansman.
My reaction to the first hour last night was that it will likely be a while before Hillary gives time to ABC.
Harris – semantics and grammar – yes. I hadn’t really noticed much of those kind of jabs here until recently.
Pretty funny too. We’re to discount the truth because of comma faults? Apostrophes? Punctuation and Grammar? MLA Handbook? Puleese
Obama is either a liar or a fool. That he listened to his minister’s rants for twenty years with little reaction until the news got out says one thing.
His being active in a church
such as his without knowing most of what his minister said for twenty years as he claims, says another. Neither is complementary.
I like trolls. I was once the only moderate on a Janeane Garafalo message board, and they considered me a troll until they got to know me.
Bottom Line:
* The Klintons are Grifters and Shameless Liars!
* Obama and his America Hating Wife and Pastor are Marxist Trash that rode skin color to their advantage like Sharpton and Jesse “show me the money” Jackson.
* The Socialists and Marxists that masquerede as Democrats are driven to destroy the Country that I defended for 28 years.
* I am not bitter, just watching all of this with exterme concern.
* I Hope that their Changes do not come to pass. They are not good ones!
Although I am dreadfully tired of the Rev. Wright scandal, it, as constantly stated previously, is still a valid point and question to ask someone seeking the highest office in this country.
“How can you attend a church for over 20 years and not know of Rev. Wright’s attitudes towards America? How can you consider someone a mentor and family member and not know these things? How can you belong, for 20 years to a church that is “Unashamedly Black” (which is not bad, as I am proud of my heritage as well) and teaches a separatist theology yet speak of uniting our nation.? Please answer so I may better understand your character.”
When this is all over Hillary will need a bid and a drool cup and Obama will be back in his hate filled Church.
Works for me, AJ. Anything but “Barry”.
I realize that Obama is a spectacular orator. His prepared speeches are delivered with an eloquence that soothes the untrained ear with an almost musical promise of change and hope. Unfortunately when the curtain is pulled back to reveal the man there is no audacious leader. None of the wondrous gleam survives the light of day; the marble of the statue is pitted and cracked. Yet the marveling throngs refuse to see. The doubts of the eyes and ears are ignored.
Adolph Hitler and Vladimir Lenin were excellent orators but we know now what their Agenda brought their people.
Obama is a Marxist and a Racist.
Black Liberation Theology and Marxism are not a basis of preparation for leadership of the Free World.
It is an outstanding recipe for disaster for Us.
TheOtherSide said:
Ooo, I think I know this one – is it Robert C. Byrd?
Obama knew perfectly well what his preacher and his church were all about. If you noticed, while Wright is spewing this garbage, the people in the pews are cheering him on! This is at the core of what this whole church is all about.
Anyone who doesn’t have the spine to stand up to people like Jeremiah Wright won’t be able to stand up to challenges facing our next president.
By the way, my church makes CDs and DVDs of past services available for free in the foyer.