Nutroots go ballistic: We demand a stultifyingly dull debate! Or else!
Oh, the left-wing bloggers are in high dudgeon over the Democrat debate.
How could ABC News do it? Behold the teeth-gnashing. And hair-pulling. And foot-stomping.
How dare the ABC moderators ask questions about topics that are, you know, topical?
How dare they ask questions that–gasp!–conservatives are asking.
How dare they explore questions of character, truthfulness, and judgment?
Don’t you know you’re supposed to do the Schoolmarm thing or the Suck-Up thing or the Bogus Plant thing?
Don’t you know you’re supposed to just let the candidates bloviate about Compassion or Global Warming or Diversity or some other MSM-designated Important Issue?
Don’t you know you’re supposed to ask the same, old, recycled softball questions in order to allow the candidates to recite the same, old, recycled answers about their health plans, their housing plans, their Iraq withdrawal plans?
Why, this just proves the MSM is in cahoots with Fox News! (Or “Fix News,” as the pastor who shall not be named likes to call it.)
Charles Gibson is Rush Limbaugh’s puppet!
George Stephanopoulos is a traitor!
The nutroots campaign against ABC has begun. A Daily Kossack fumes:
President Barack should pull their Broadcasting License…We expect Objectivity George! We’re Watching you!
If they can’t have back their stultifyingly dull Democrat debates, dammit, they are going to get all Rumpelstiltskin and jump up and down ’til they burn a hole in the ground.
No more pesky questions about candidates’ lies and shady associations.
Call in Suzanne Malveaux and let’s get back to “Do you prefer diamonds or pearls?”
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Commenter 29Victor beat me to it: “Talk about bitter. So are all of these lefties going to turn to God, guns and prejudice now?”
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Tell’em Michelle, we all know the moonbats can’t handle the truth and they prove it everyday.
I see you’re up late, too, Michelle. Do you ever sleep?
I’m sleep-deprived–just like Hillary!
What’s this? Vindictiveness from the left? Anti-free speech? What would happen if a conservative made a comment like this? Easy…crucifixtion!
I though this was the best debate of all 215,854 of them. It’s not supposed to be a pander session. And watching the dynamic between Stephanopolous and Hillary is fascinating. He fawned all over her in the book he wrote after leaving the White House. I think the book ends with the two of them weeping while saying goodbye. I’m completely serious.
Michelle, this is the perfect storm.
ABC is treating the Jesus Obama vs. Sir Edmund Hillary race, as if one or both contenders was an evil Republican. The scrutiny that heretofore was reserved for said evil Republican has by virtue of the MSM’s one trick pony nature, been brought to bear upon the Democrats.
It’s a Battle Royale! It’s Lib-o-mania I. I hope there are many to come.
Liberals fighting amongst themselves, and clearly exposing the NOW FRACTURED, special interest, formerly co-dependant natue of Democrat policies.
If only Jesus Obama had realized that it wasn’t “his turn”, all this dirty Dem laundry airing could have been avoided, and Rodham could have been Coronated as the first Black female President.
it was fun to watch BHO back pedal over all of the rev. Wright stuff..
Yes, George Snuffaluffagus, is another un-biased “journalist”. Charlie Gibson is another “hard nosed/grizzled” journalist, much like Lou Grant!!
If only CBS could have hosted this “extravaganza” and Katie Couric could have had Star Jones at her side.
Or Babs Walters!! Or Rosie O’Bese.
The funny thing is, when 2 libs go to battle, (figuratively battling of course), one or both come out with their dishonesty at their ankles.
Jesus Obama now loves the flag, and Rodham wants us to believe that lack of sleep made her lie on AT LEAST 4 separate occasions that have been documented.
She must have been real real tired on 4 separate lying occasions. Smirk.
Watch out.. The Dems will cut each other to ribbons now but once the nomination is made they will unify and turn that hate filled propagand machine on the GOP. Of course, this year, they are in a quandry because McCain is one of them. What the MSM is doing to Hillary and Barack is a warm up excersise for the next few months.
If the GOP would simply fight a campaign instead of rolling over and taking the insults without answer (as the RNC has done in every presedential race since Regan defeated Mondale), not only would we actually win but the light of truth would fall on the Democrats and show them for the devious communist wannabees they are.
Talk about bitter.
So are all of these lefties going to turn to God, guns and prejudice now?
There’s hope for the MSM, thanks, Michelle.
Anyone can talk the talk, but can they walk the walk? You can say anything you want about the economy, world peace, and other such crap, but when you have
a) dozed through 20 years of hate preaching
b) a wife who is not proud of her country
c) an economic policy that sounds very socialist
d) fabricated tales of heroism just to look good
that makes everything you say suspect as your character is suspect.
The MSM are right (a first?) to be asking such questions. Until we can pin down exactly what kind of character these presidential candidates have, anything they can promise regarding the economy, health care, world peace, etc is worth nothing.
I don’t see the problem. They’re already 1/3 the way there and the remaining 2/3 shouldn’t be too difficult to handle.
The cover of the monolithic media unfolds as the principles of the MSM protect/project the anointed. The Shrillaries go aggressive, the Obamanations seek invincible shelter of Race. Both are shocked by hard questions the bitter American public face every day in the soup lines and meaningless work that they do waiting for these saviors.
The leftists have been funny to me for 40 years, good to see they haven’t changed much.
How dare the MSM to get the candidates to talk about *gasp* the issues? The next thing you know, someone will ask Chelsea Clinton about the Lewinsky scandal.
Oh, wait a minute . . .
Asking Chelsea about the Lewinsky thing was beyond tactless or taste. I am glad it was Obama people who did that and not others. I am glad the GOP campus groups refrained from such creepy discourse.
It was nice to read about a useful debate. I can’t believe all of the left-wing comments elsewhere about how the debate should have been about ‘the important issues’ such as GW, economics, etc.
Considering that those topics have been covered by both candidates extensively (as far as they are willing to go into detail, that is, so as to not overcommit to anything specific) and the importance of the criticisms brought up, I just can’t understand it.
I wonder, will Obama consider Osama’s crimes to be too far into the past by the end of his term, and invite him over for a tea party and discussion? Perhaps for the Unabomber? That was a while back.
puhiawa, I can only conclude that you are a liberal or dumb.
Rodham was not asked about the “Lewinsky thing” or as you put it….”Asking Chelsea about the Lewinsky thing” Rodham was asked about Rodham’s CREDIBILITY. Rodham was FULLY AWARE of Bill Clintons NUMEROUS OUT OF WEDLOCK DALIANCES. Rodham KNEW about LEWINSKY or at least SHOULD HAVE KNOWN, before RODHAM, accused REPUBLICANS of a VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY.
RODHAM LIED. as usual. RODHAM LIED and bore FALSE WITNESS.
The fact that RODHAM “blamed others…RIGHT WINGERS..and covered for a husband that hasn’t BANGED HER IN 20 YEARS…..is TELLING.
RODHAM, knew or should have known that BILL, was getting “blown” by Lewinsky.
What did RODHAM DO???? She attacked Republicans. She is a pile of FILTH.
McCain is going to win this election thanks to Hillary and Obama.
Yeah, but she’s up nights sreaming at Bill…
After Watching the Debate, I thought to myself, Wow Charlie Gibson, you really gave it to them. Finally someone asking questions we all wanted to know and politicians doing the same aversive techniques that keeps us wondering if a third area exist in the spectrum of yes/no questions. You know a kind of dark matter.
I also was wondering, maybe I’m just too young to understand these things, but when you’re running against someone isn’t it best not to say they can win in November? I mean isn’t the point of Hillary running against Barack is to say why she is better than him. Instead of answering questions like, do you think Barack can win in November and her reply was
Hillary, you’re suppose to say something like this.
“No, I do not think that he can win and that’s why I am asking democratic voters to surround me so we can take down McCain in the fall.”
Saying Yes you think he can win, then saying you can do a better job is quite a silly statement. You’re suppose to put doubt in those undecided and pull attention from those engulfed in Barack and make them wonder, huh, maybe he can’t win. Thanks Hillary for the new Barack Slogan:
Yes He Can, Even Hillary thinks so.
Obama IS the front-runner for the Democrat Party Nomination, isn’t he? Aren’t the front-runners supposed to be the ones asked the tough questions? So why the complaints about him getting the attention last night?
Silky Pony would have… well, bruised somebody in a really visible part of their arm for that kind of attention during the debates he was in. This election is just getting to be too much fun; I only wish there was a conservative in it so I could root for somebody myself. Without that, it’s a Schadenfreude Festival all around!
#22 She is reverting back to the first book that she wrote. Something about it takes a train, I think I can, I think I can….
As usual for the left, character doesn’t matter. Candidates personal lives are private. Stick to the “Bush bashing”. That’s what ‘the people” want to hear. “I’m going to raise your taxes and take money away from you.” (Cheers). “I’m going to take more of your liberty away and have more government control.” (Cheers). “I’m going to make our military and country weak in this world of violence.”(Tremendous cheer)
I guess Obama got, “nah, nah, nah God damn America,” boated.
I’m buying stock in Depends. I predict an epidemic of adult bed-wetting in blue states.
“President
BarackHugo Chávez should pull their Broadcasting License”..fixed it. or should I say foxed it?
I watched a little of the demfest and was surprised that Charlie and Georgie actually got a little tough on the two.
Obama proved that he is a liar….again. He repeated his lies of never being in church during “those sermons.” Barry we understand, I was married and I never heard my wife ask for help around the house. You just tuned out what you didn’t want to hear. Hey we all do it, right?
The Hildabeast actually apologized for not telling the truth as she knew it for her Bosnia heroics.
This has to be a first for the dem allies, but the Bush bashing started and I had to shut er down.
Unfortunately, we’re all going to get sick to our stomachs when Hillary agrees to be #2, and play attack dog/bad cop for Obama. THEN the Enemedia will do some fawning, oh brother. This Wright/Ayers/Snobbery things going to be buried by the MSM.
Both campaigns have millions of dollars left in their primary campaign treasury. The first law of campaign coverage is: Above all else it is the first job of every journalist employed by a for profit corporation to extract every last dime of advertising revenue from the candidate.
When will people realize, whether you agree with it or not, it is an issue to SOMEONE? Wow.
Did anyone here ever suggest that Air America or Al Franken have their broadcast license pulled? Wait a minute. Did Air America ever file for a broadcast license?
I find this interesting from the Kos Kidz
“President Barack should pull their Broadcasting License…We expect Objectivity George! We’re Watching you!”
Wow…isn’t that what Chavez did when some station said things he didn’t like? Isn’t that what the Soviets and Nazi’s did?
All this time we’re supposed to believe liberals stand for free speech?
Reading the lefty blogs, it’s immediately apparent that this was a good debate, featuring probing questions that rattled the Dem candidates… something that they were apparently not expecting.
The purple-faced outrage at ABC for not merely applying another coat of grease to the candidates to enable their slide into the White House is a thing to behold.
A good thing was done for the country, I think. I’m just astonished that Charles Gibson and George Stephanopoulos had something to do with it!
What next? The Second Coming? Jack Cafferty with a rational observation?
The MSM is already in high spin mode over this one. Look for them to skewer the moderators and rail against the great Republican Attack Machine of Stephy and Charlie. As long as operation chaos keeps running Hils stays in and the blood letting continues.
I was reading the comments last night at KOS and HufPo and they were already crying like children forced to eat their vegatables. Apparently the candidates didn’t have a chance to explain their detailed positions on education, global warming, health care and puppy dogs. (For, against, for, for.) It’s just not fair!
Nutty comments in DailyKos have nothing on nutty comments here. Everyone’s a traitor or a socialist or hates America.
The moderators were bad. They kept the debate focused on gaffes rather than policy. Instead of debating health care, Iraq, jobs, education, & whatever, they went back and forth on “would you support him/her if nominated?, can she/he beat McCain?,” etc.
As for asking a Fox News question, Fox is not “conservative” in ideology, it’s an organ of the Republican party. A Fox question is not designed to elicit information of interest to conservatives, it’s designed to make Democrats look bad.
It was fun watching Obama squirm all night. After months of softballs, he had the “deer in the headlights” thing going on with substantive questions. ABC has never been as far left as NBC and CBS. Hats off to them for asking real questions.
If the nutroots thought that was tough, wait until their empty suit candidate has to go up against McCain. It’s going to be fun to watch.
Don’t feed the seagulls!
From a DailyKos commentator:
Hmmm, ok. I’m gonna go out on a limb here and guess that the writer thinks that when George covers Republicans, he’s absolutely fair and impartial, a hardnosed journalist even, asking the tough questions.
The lefties just can’t handle having their guy treated like a common Republican by the MSM.
This ought to make for a very good DUmmie FUnnies this morning. There’s nothing quite like the carnage left after silver spoon bullies realize that velvet gloves can be used to slap them.
I’m certainly glad that is the only way you are like Hillary. Stay out of the bars Michelle!
Oh, horrors! A Democrat debate that finally had some substance in the questions. *gasp*
But, to be quite honest, I was surprised to see such questions come from Charles Gibson and George Stephanopoulos.
It was fun to watch Clinton and Obama squirm and listen to all of the glottal stops, as they tried to formulate answers. I couldn’t believe Clinton actually admitted that she said something that she knew not to be true, when asked about sniper fire in Bosnia.
Yep, too little sleep there M. Far be it for me to correct Michelle but:
So, I decide to skip a debate because I am tired of T-ball from the majors and they might have just had to answer some tough questions. I mean, who could blame me - it was ABC A-nother B-oring C-reepshow. Seems I may have missed some fun!
Well there is only one way to settle this, they need to go on that show that uses the lie detector. Oh wait that is on the eveell Fox channel isn’t it?
I checked out some of the liberal sites last night and the comments definitely were not family friendly nor suitable for posting on a public forum.
When these kids pitch a temper tantrum they throw a temper tantrum.
I didn’t watch because I figured it would be the same old stuff again, but I guess we are getting down to the wire now, but I haven’t heard or read anything where the candidates really took shots at each other.
The libs have no problem trashing gaffes made by a republican, but when it is turned on them they go into whine mode.
I can’t even watch FOX much anymore since they are becoming more tabloid than news. The big 3 networks I definitely can’t watch because of their obvious bias. I have to give big kudos to Charlie and George for their actual tough questions.
Most of us bitter folks want to know how a person can go to klan meetings for 20 years, nearly once a week and then expect to get a pass from people wanting to know why they attended for so long. This is a legitimate concern when we are trying to decide who our next president will be?
Are we supposed to cower at their royal feet because they are
whiteblack or aHildabeastwoman?I went to Drudge before coming over to Michelle’s site this morning and found this article by Tom Shales at the Washinton Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/17/AR2008041700013_pf.html
Somebody hit a nerve last night! God forbid anyone ask the candidates a real question that might define their character or fitness to hold an elected office. Time for the Democrats to go back to the “Bull Pen” I guess. Of course to be fair the “Stupid Party” has already shot themselves in the face with their selection of the grumpy old man.
The troll is baiting you. We all know it is pure crap.
I G N O R E
H I M
So far so good. Let’s keep him quiet.
Can we assume from that last sentence that lgm has come to grips with the realitiies of his own party?
Wouldn’t Democrats have to have enough cajones to actually participate in a FNC sponsored debate for them to be able to do that?
OC,
If you can get the Democrat nominee to agree to a debate, where more substantive questions will be asked. You won’t see that from NBC, CBS, CNN, etc. I was really surprised to see the quality of questions that ABC had last night.
But, did Obama promise to find a cure for Arugula if he’s elected?
I think The Messiah and Hildog should boycott the election in protest of this travesty; and take McLovin with you. If I had prospects like this in a poker game I would fold and ask for a new hand. Can we reshuffle and start over?
Ack. Bloody seagulls. Who left the french fries on the table?
little girly man..
this says much more about you than you realize..
your
lack ofthought process borders on the lines of one of the toofers who think Bush conspired with Israel to bring down the towers on 9/11.. So you have no independent thought on your own..… and you HAVEN’T read many comments in Kos.. again.. along the lines of the tooferism..
HRC and BHO have the same viewpoints.. marxism.. With the two candidates basicly the same on issues, all one has is the person. Which victim to you want to answer the call at 3AM in the morning?
Read the link from Ed Morissey, he sums it up well..
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/17/misplaced-outrage-over-debate-continues-on-left/
Fox News is Emmanuel Goldstein to you isn’t..
dont’ worry, LGM, we are at war with Eurasia.. We’ve ALWAYS been at war with Eurasia.
(sorry for engaging the troll)
Well, kudos to ABC.
The candidates were so “off message” in this debate and so bumfuzzled with some of the questions, that it raises the distinct possibility that the rumors regarding prior debates were true, e.g., the candidates received advance copies of the questions to be posed.
And Obama, without a script or teleprompter, tends to let his true beliefs show through the carefully crafted veneer. At least he remembered not to make any sudden moves…
Barry F:
All that’s needed to make Democrats look and sound bad are a videocam and microphone in the “on” position.
Just want to make sure I understand the definition of “objectivity”.
Objectivity is …..
Of course, I guess it depends on what the meaning of “is” is.
“President Barack should pull their Broadcasting License…”
Funny this KOSsack should mention this, since the Dems have already made veiled threats toward ABC as a result of their “Path to 9/11″ TV movie.
And isn’t it amazing how fast hardcore libs rush toward McCarthyism and censorship when they think it will help them?
On April 17th, 2008 at 8:39 am, conservativesRus said:
think they project much?
I can’t see either of them opening dialog with other world leaders on important issues yet alone trying to lead domestically. They are clueless, pandering fools.
Fox News is Emmanuel Goldstein to you isn’t it..
fixed from above..
i am SO sorry i missed this debate!!
On April 17th, 2008 at 7:44 am, lgm said:
Nutty comments in DailyKos have nothing on nutty comments here. Everyone’s a traitor or a socialist or hates America.
You can’t actually be serious?!? There must be 2 sites with the name DailyKos, and I must be going to the wrong one. The one I go to has some incredibly awful comments and stories. Vile, demeaning, insulting, etc. Maybe it would be easier for you if we all started our comments with “I feel” or “in my opinion”? Sheesh!!
Might I add another few words with which we could preface our comments - “I don’t mean to hurt anyone’s feelings by pointing out the obvious but…”
Who does ABC think they are asking a presidential candidate about their dishonesty?
Honesty, integrity & character aren’t important when there’s a war & a housing crisis.
Clinton’s lies aren’t important when there’s a war in Iraq. Obama’s two-face statements aren’t an issue compared to the housing crisis! Big deal!
/sarc off
This is what the left does when they’re embarrassed, they say something’s a non-issue. Rather than admitting that their two candidates are out-of-touch with reality, they simply want the subject changed because honesty doesn’t matter after all.
Let them cry. I finally saw B. Hussein Obama admit that he didn’t care what the pullout would do. The Commander in Chief makes the orders and the Generals follow. Coming out of the mouth of a person who has never even served in his high school JROTC, that is one very scary statement. It’s his way or no way, and that will literally cost us thousands of lives on the pull out while making the value of the lives lost in getting where we are today in Iraq valueless. Not to mention leaving the Iraqis out to dry so that Iran can slaughter them and take over the country.
Ponder that thought for a moment.
“I see your Truuuuuue Colors, Shinning through. Truuuue colors, that’s why I love you… Now, don’t be affraid, to let them show… true colors…true colors.”
-Written by Tom Kelly, Billy Steinberg
as performed by Cyndi Lauper
I feel like breaking out in song and I thought this was appropriate…
When do they start blaming Karl Rove for all this? I mean how does he find the time to plan all of this hahaha!
The Dkos nut saying ABC’s broadcast license should be pulled, wow, thats the Pro-Freedom of Speech Party for you.
conservatives Not Found!
Let’s if I have this straight; the non-bitter crowd tuned into what they expected to be another in a series of unmoderated campaign speeches. Instead of a stroke fest there were actual questions asked. OMG!! Well who’s bitter now?
The geniuses at American Prospect chime in:
http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=04&year=2008&base_name=these_questions_are_a_disgrace
Apostrophe usage at its worst!
That was by far the best debate I have seen. Not because the candidates were so brilliant, but because they were actually asked the questions that many Americans want to hear. An A+ for ABC. Never thought I would live to see that!
I can’t count the number of times my jaw hit the floor. Never thought a Dem would be asked such questions.
My biggest surprise was watching Obama answer the flag question. I have never seen any American have that much trouble saying how much he loves the flag. He was dancing around like he was on a floor full of tacks. Despicable
How many times did we here the Dummycrats critizing Bush for not listening to the Generals( when they could find one that agreed with them),and that he was too arrogant. Now both Hillary and Obama say no matter what the generals say, they are going to surrender asap, and run. Thats CHANGE! Oh yeah, and HOPE for the best.
Now now let us not be snippy there. Miss Hillary is a gun loving, church going former duck hunter who returned fire in Bosnia.
Senator Barrack Hussein Obama can call Seven Legions of the Fruit of Islam.
Senator Barrack Hussein Obama and Miss Hillary now have the spotlight on them and the warts are showing. We are no longer limited to the Big Three TV monopoly for news. The game has changed and “Grand Father” Cronkite is no longer the referee. So yes, perhaps all of these lefties ARE going to turn to God, guns and prejudice now.
I have to admit to a perverse pleasure in watching the dems eat themselves this election cycle. After years of nonsense from the left, their own emotional arguments have er, well, come home to roost. You can either be a sexist or a racist, take your pick.
This is what happens when a party bases all its arguments on emotion as opposed to reason.
I actually was shocked at the questions asked by ABC. It may have been a fluke but it was a great debate (as those things go).
If they can’t handle ABC, how will they handle fox? Ig they can’t handle FOX how can they handle IRAN??????
Tip of the Hat to all of ya’ll . I didn’t have the guts to watch it . Plus the fact i’ve had bowel problems lately from obama ptsd !
corona:
It appears the American Prospect author is being paid by the number of quotation marks used, not the number of words written.
I agree with #67 - the first debate where someone recognized that character and integrity does matter.
I have to say, I never expected this of ABC. No wonder the liberals are up in arms.
The liberals say they wanted issue questions - well if the candidate talking doesn’t have a tested character under file, what’s the point of them answering anything.
How the heck are Hillary and Barack going to give out $5,000 to each child, free health care, support 20 million illegals, give free college education and all the other freebies they’ve promised if they aren’t going to raise taxes on people making less than $200,000?
If the candidates can’t answer questions about the contradictions across the campaign trail, why believe a word they say?
I was stunned that Hillary admitted she lied about Bosnia. Of course it was obvious, but so unlike a Clinton.
One thing that is very clear. If it wasn’t for the freedom of speech here on the “bloggosphere” and talk radio, these questions would never have been asked. Just a few years ago Hillary would be picking out curtains for the White House.
I don’t quite agree with MM here, although I am of two minds.
Sure, I enjoyed seeing Marxist, anti-American, race hatred enabler Obama get pummeled by the moderators.
But, OTOH, I think that ABC went way over the line in terms of what debates are expected to be. They turned the first hour into a contentious news conference of the aggressive sort that the MSM treats the WH to every day. So although I think all those challenges to Obama are legitimate concerns of voters, I also think that ABC, dwelling exclusively on those sorts of gotcha issues for almost an hour and doing it in such an unbalanced way to the detriment of Obama…I think it was an effort of ABC to inject themselves into the campaign and create a big buzz which would profit themselves. It just was not the forum to engage in such an unbalanced bash fest against one of the candidates.
About the only thing that I can say in defense of ABC is that candidates are generally insulated from tough and persistent questioning out on the campaign trail. So the debates are the only opportunity for the press to really get at them. Nonetheless, it was a media mugging.
If the dipsticks wanted to hear the same old BS all they need to do is replay all 99 other debates between the two…….
Pulling out of Iraq? First thing to go would be all the new construction and then many many many innocents will die.
clueless idiots. Iran would be in there so fast it would make your head spin. pillage and burn would be the mantra.
I was hoping to finally be able to come to a decision on these two. But alas, they didn’t ask them what their favourite colours are.
(u’s inserted to promote elitism)
#76 And we are treaty bound to defend Iraqs borders, which would mean war between us and Iran. I thought they didn’t want that?
AJ,
No doubt. Why not just have them look the little girls (that can now go to school) right dead in their eyes and tell them we don’t give a rats ass about you. That is, in essence, one of the things that they would be doing.
Freaking coward. BO makes me want to cuss - oops - too late. GRRRRRR
Ignatius Reilly#75,
said,Nonetheless, it was a media mugging.
Hillary and Obama have been doing a good job of mugging themselves like shadow boxers. And each other. They were given an opportunity to put to rest the issues about their character and they didn’t do so well.
On April 17th, 2008 at 7:44 am, lgm said:
Au contraire, LGM! That’s the Clintons’ job - and, I might add, a job that they’ve performed exceptionally well since 1994.
Yeah, I bet folks aren’t happy the Democrats were confronted by real questions for a change. I about fell out of my chair when the moderators brought up the 2nd Amendment! This is how they should have handled it:
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Hillary’s plane lands amid a hotbed of sniper fire. Hillary “Annie Oakley” Clinton steps off the plane with her six-shooter.
Hillary: I no ways feel tiiidde!
Hillary singlehandedly picks off all of the snipers, allowing the little girl with flowers who had been previously pinned down, to greet her.
Hillary: We’ve come too faaaawwrr to let the vast Right-Wing-Conspiracy stop me now!
little girl: That was some impressive shooting; you saved my life!
Hillary: And now little girl, let’s go duck hunting on our way to church!
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Obama: I hope for a change in this country. I hope we change the meaning of the 2nd Amendment by reading it in a fresh way.
Obama whips out a copy of the Constitution and starts writing over it.
Obama: I mean, think about it. Do you really want people like Jeremiah Wright or the folks at Trinity owning guns? They might shoot you!
Obama pretends to make a “sudden move” to bring his point home.
Obama: Besides, come the fall, Hillary, McCain, or myself will be elected President. If conservatives own guns, they might shoot themselves!
Conservatives reluctantly nod their heads in agreement.
Obama finally gets tough questions and the whole media establishment goes crazy! But the most disgraceful example of left wing media types trying to destroy and smear anybody attempting to question Barack’s saintliness was provided by British leftwinger Andrew Sullivan. Sullivan went absolutely crazy because Bill Kristol accurately noted how close Obama’s comment about religion was to Karl Marx’s statement that religion is the opium of the masses. Sullivan quickly retored by dismissing Mr. Kristol as “a nonChristian”. Sullivan apparently thought that by “outing” Mr. Kristol as being Jewish, he was somehow destroying Mr. Kristol’s legitimacy. Sullivan’s shameful behavior was yet one more example of left wing bigotry.
“Faux News Alert”
Phone lines jammed with donations(iranian funded)at both Hillary and Obama campaigns following last nights debate.
code pink members wetting themselves over last nights iraq answers.
film at 11:00
As usual,the Kos gang are out of control.This is like teasing the dog through the fence.Good humor……..
Love the moniker! Chosen because of sarcasm no doubt? Love the post. I have always loved the Clinton drawl.
Obama is racking up quite a list of friends.
1/ Rev Wright (racist anti-american)
2/ 2 Anti-american terrorists (who actualy bombed the pentagon and still think it was the right thing to do)
I am sure we can add to that list. I knew I couldn’t support him when he said he would never launch nukes even if we were attacked with nukes, but this is getting worse and worse. McCain is not my first pick, but between Obama and McCain, there is not even a question of who I would pick.
Please, not film of old women wetting themselves. eeewwww
I guess they prefer tho old Soviet style rubber stamp “elections”.
LiveRight said (#63):
This is true of DailyKos and MM, and to the same degree. You might recognize MM posts as being vile because you agree with them.
Where were the questions asking about their feeeeeelings? That’s what’s important, how much do they care?
Sarc/off
Charles Gibson and George Stephanopoulos, my hats off to you! If you can evoke this type of response from the left, you have really accomplished something.
How much longer are the Hussein supporters going to be fooled that this does not directly affect Hussein’s integrity!
These are the people that Hussein considers colleagues, friends, and associates?!
At the end of the day, they’ve both been in the senate for a considerable period of time and have nothing to show for it.
lgm, I look at all the websites and I have never seen the outright hatred, bigotry and even death threats here like I routinely see on the huffington post, daily kos and others. I personaly have recieved death threats on those other sites. I usualy laugh at them because I never give my real address on the web. But still, it is liberals who are the most deranged on the web.
Didn’t watch the debate, but have been enjoying reading about it here!
Just visited the American Prospect link that corona posted and could not believe what I was reading in this comment:
“I TOTALLY agree. I didn’t know about Ayers, and it IS a problem, but that does not shake my confidence in Barack Obama the man. The first 1/3 of the debate was disgraceful. Really, the tenor of the debate is odd.
Posted by: N Smith”
Finding out about Obama’s connections and friendship with admitted home-grown terrorist, William Ayers (plus all the other negatives regarding Obama) and still claiming to have confidence in “Obama the man” definitely shows how the lunatic fringe of liberalism are hopelessly drunk with rancid Kool Aid.
A comment like “N. Smith’s” is solid proof that all reasonable brain activity must be entirely closed off at the “liberalism is a mental disorder” door!
Let’s not forget this great question from Charlie Gibson re: capital gains tax cuts.
When BO answered by talking about raising taxes for the “purposes of fairness” and worried about find new revenue, Charlie didn’t let up.
I usually don’t watch these “debates” because it’s sort of like watching “it’s a mad mad mad mad world” for the tenth time. I will certainly tune in to the MSM comedy demi-hour tonight for some laughs. Can’t wait.
We should probably cut Oblahma some slack, he’s just dizzy from all the spinning done on previous comments he’s made, and we all know now that Hilldebeast is just sleep deprived.
The troll is not on topic and baiting you. Don’t feed the idiot.
PLEASE!
I think the bottom line here is we have FINALLY seen the DNC candidates finally face harder questions, and neither did well outside thier comfort zone. This is not ABC’s fault.
Good point kat!
If we can’t trust HRC to be honest about her time as first lady, why should we trust her with our health care?
Obama’s judgement has proven questionable over the past few weeks with the Wright situation & the Pennsylvania situation, so why should we trust his judgement on Iraq?
If we can’t trust a candidates character, judgement, integrity & honesty, what’s the point of listening to their issues?
Soap,staying on my diet today and trolls aren’t on the menu.
If it were not obvious that the democrats can’t handle the truth it is now. Barack exhibits nothing that I am familiar with as being American, Hillary prolly makes a lousy sammich. Both of these people have displayed some of the worst judgment I have ever seen, read or heard rumors about. Attention democrat hiders, we are not stupid like you, your idiotic games only work when you keep them to yourselves. They might as well put Gilligan and Ginger up for the nomination, at least then it would be entertaining. A that would be a whole lot better than the there hour boor we are getting so far.
And Hillary as well. I told my husband that she really locked up the Code Pink vote, by saying she doesn’t care if the military commanders say the region will be destabilized, she’s pulling out anyway. Make me wanna puke.
by the way, was SarahAnnie talking to you last night on NB?
that’s me.
Charlie Gibson and his sidekick George George Stephanopoulos(aka Jesse Katsopolis, Have Mercy!) were on target last night. Did you notice the numerous shots of Chelsea. Everytime they shot over to her, I jumped out of my seat and was wondering if I was watching a debate or political horror movie. Numerous Puns intended.
And Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama said that as president, they would execute promises to begin the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq, even if their military commanders at the time advised them that it would be wiser to keep troops on the ground
Wow, they do support the troops.
Seagull, not troll! We all know what happens when you feed the seagulls.
Swoop-poop-swoop.
If trolls are not fed, they will find another venue that provides nourishment. Especially those trolls who have gone from drinking the kool aid to snorting it in powdered form.
As to the topic at hand, I disagree that the issues raised were “gotcha” issues. They go the very heart of the candidates’ character and integrity. Scripted speech delivered with the aid of a teleprompter provide an opportunity for a candidate to appear to be all things to all people while masking their true character and beliefs.
Are honesty and integrity no longer important? Does a candidate’s TV persona and charisma trump their true mettle?
And the issues raised are more than soound bites of “mistakes”. The issues reflect a stunning departure between what we are being told and what the candidates actually believe. In that department, Obama is the clear leader over Hillary. He’ll immediately pull troops out of Iraq, but his advisors say he’ll leave a “quick reaction force” in place that happens to be twice the number of troops we have maintained in Korea for 50 years. He says he will obliterate NAFTA, while telling our trading partners in secret to ignore his campaign promises. He believes the right to bear arms is an individual right under the Constitution, yet he believes that government entities at all levels can impose restrictions on those rights that have no equivalent with other individual rights such as religion and speech. He states he does not accept money from corporations (which is illegal) and special interests, yet at least half of all funds he has raised have been through bundlers who just happen to be lobbying for their own interests. He denounces his pastors rhetoric and asks people to believe that in over 20 years of associating with Jeremiah Wright, he never heard a discouraging word. He claims to be a staunch ally of Israel, yet surrounds himself with advisors who are decidely anti-Israel (by the way, Hamas just came out in support of Obama).
The questions and issues raised in the debate are VERY relevant. Character and integrity DO count. If a slick presence in front of a camera is all we need, we would be better to look to Hollywood for our presidential candidates rather than government.
On-my-soap-box said:
Pretty emotional aren’t we. No unhingedness here?
A lot of dems seem to have a disconnect where they feel like they should be running the general by now, but yet it’s still the primary and it’s not time yet for everybody to be nice to each other.
“Trollman” is a term of endearment for my favorite political commentator - Charles Krauthammer. He is a brilliant man, although he has a face that was made for radio. Sorry Charles, but you know I got your back! =)
lgm is proving the headline of this post
Yes, the questions asked were gotcha questions, but they had to be asked, since the candidates’ songs and dances were too much even for ABC News. My advice to Hillary and Hussein is, better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubts.
Democrats avoiding, not answering or becoming indignant over the asking of certain questions. It’s like the banning of tag only at the (supposed) grown up level. Hands off people!
Now, certainly you don’t think there was hanky panky going on. Not with a Clinton. ;=0
He is brilliant, though I don’t know what your problem with his face is. His brilliance is that he keeps things simple. For example it was the “cling” to religion and guns that was the problem with Obama’a statements, not the use of bitter.
Another great commentator is Schaffley.
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