Here’s a better analogy for Bill Ayers than Tom Coburn: Eric Rudolph.

By see-dubya  •  April 19, 2008 06:42 AM

The LA Times is doing its best to help Barack Obama sweep Bill Ayers under the rug. And now Bill Ayers’ brother has entered the fray, accusing Hillary Clinton of McCarthyism. Excellent.

See, this ain’t going away. My memos from Zombie Reagan at the VRWC-HQ tell me that we’re going to be hitting Obama on Ayers and Dohrn every single day until the election, with breaks for crazy preachers on weekends and the occasional Rezko story thrown in on just to keep things interesting.

Speaking of interesting: most accounts of the relationship between Obama and Ayers I’ve seen recently–even that five-minute video about their ties that’s making the rounds–act like the relationship between Obama and the Weather Underground petered out in 2002. In this recent revival of interest in Ayres, no one I saw brought up the occasion in 2005 when Ayers, his terrorist wife Bernadette Dohrn, and Obama all spoke at the farewell dinner for Rashid Khalidi. Were we supposed to be saving that for an October surprise? Will video surface? I didn’t get that memo yet…

So, if Obama is going to try to break this tackle, he’ll have to do a little better than defending Ayers and smearing Tom Coburn by comparing him to that loathsome terrorist. Apples and oranges? More like apples and poisonous, slime-spawning toadstools.

Does Obama really believe that Tom Coburn is the moral equivalent of Ayers, or was he just caught unprepared and crammed his foot into his mouth? I hope it’s the latter, because this man might end up as our President and I’d like to think he knows the difference between a bomb-throwing, America-hating terrorist and a pork-slashing Senator from Tulsa.*

So let me clear things up for the Obamessiah: there are actual evil terrorists on the radical Right. Terry Nichols comes to mind; he, like Ayers, attacked a government building with explosives, although his scale was much broader than the Weather Underground’s bombings. Perhaps a more suitable analogy for Ayers would be Eric Robert Rudolph. Like Ayers, Rudolph is a cold, unrepentant SOB, who set off bombs at the 1996 Olympics, at an abortion clinic, and at a lesbian nightclub. Like Ayers, Rudolph lived as a fugitive for a long time before his capture.

Now, it starts to break down a little bit when you consider that Rudolph is rotting in Supermax, while Ayers and his co-terrorist wife are tenured faculty living comfortable and respected lives in Hyde Park, but ignore that little quirk of the system for a second. And let’s ignore the fact that, instead of holding him up as a radical-chic hero, no one on the Right likes Eric Rudolph and many of us would like to see him get a dose of that capital punishment we bloodthirsty reactionaries are always slavering for. Overlook that, too.

Rudolph and Ayers are unrepentant domestic terrorists. They are evil. Decent people detest them. And if someone were to take money from Eric Rudolph, or get a start in politics from an endorsement in Eric Rudolph’s home, if someone were chummy with Eric Rudolph and kept moving in the same circles with him, that person would rightly be detested as well.

Why doesn’t the same logic apply to Bill Ayers, and to his friend Barack Obama?

Here’s a partial answer: this is bigger than Obama. Much of the radical-left community of Chicago have thrown in their lot with Ayers and Dohrn and given them esteem and comfort. A lot of Chicago society is complicit in insulating Ayers and Dohrn from their execrable pasts. To admit the truth about what Ayers and Dohrn’s status means involves admitting much more about the historical relationship between the Left and radical violence than America is ready to acknowledge.

That second link up top quotes a retired FBI agent in Chicago who’s wondering where the outrage is:

“The general public does want to know what the relationship is,’ said Wagner…Ayers “committed crimes, didn’t suffer any consequences and didn’t admit he really did anything wrong. I’m kind of shocked at that.”

I wish I were shocked at that. But it’s par for the course.

UPDATE: Via Captain Ed, Hillary’s operatives are catching on to the “imagine all the awful McCarthyism that Karl Rove will engage in” idea. They even use the term “red-baiting”.

Dude, Karl Rove’s like Obi-Wan Kenobi in Star Wars. You strike him down from the White House, and he goes on Fox becomes more powerful than you could possibly imagine.

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  1. #1
    On April 19th, 2008 at 7:04 am, Mainframe said:

    From the Left’s Big Book O’ Logic: If standards are good then double standards must be twice as good!

  2. #2
    On April 19th, 2008 at 7:40 am, rooster said:

    This is why we count on Michelle and you to not let stories fade that the msm wishes away. We are the voiceless and sites like this provide us with much needed sanity amidst the elitist who lord over us.

    Michelles articles have made a difference and brought attention too many outrageous liberal antics.

    Keep the heat on. Great story and analysis see-dubya.

  3. #3
    On April 19th, 2008 at 7:42 am, zorro said:

    To admit the truth about what Ayers and Dohrn’s status means involves admitting much more about the historical relationship between the Left and radical violence than America is ready to acknowledge.

    An inconvenient truth.

    Great post see-dubya

  4. #4
    On April 19th, 2008 at 8:00 am, Mortis said:

    Fine article, See-Dubya

  5. #5
    On April 19th, 2008 at 8:07 am, Ragspierre said:

    This is going to hurt the Dimocrates…badly. And it should.

    Both their leading candidates have obvious, documented radical roots.

    Both their leading candidates have a more-than-passing relationship with known terrorists…convicted and/or admitted.

    “Our” guy just associates with reconquista Mexican nationalists…

  6. #6
    On April 19th, 2008 at 8:14 am, petergwynne75 said:

    Ayers = Eric Rudolph
    BINGO!

    Michelle, isn’t it time someone ‘poster-ize’ The Obama?

    Like this:

    US of KKK-A
    Messiah
    ‘Rev.’ Wright
    nappy-headed hoes
    hate rallies
    20yrs
    Rezko
    AIDS to kill blacks
    America caused 9/11
    my white grandma
    distance myself
    won’t renounce
    domestic terrorist
    Weather Underground
    home to roost
    Condoskeezza Rice
    blank canvas
    not black enough
    God *d*mn* America
    Our stained Constitution
    Farrakhan
    No one ever called Hillary
    old uncle
    never been proud of America
    change the subject
    white guilt
    9/11/98
    New Black Panther
    super delegates
    lucky he’s black
    incredible ignorance of white Americans
    just words
    electability
    audacity
    Jeremiah sermon
    not qualified
    dream ticket
    life-time achievement award
    anti-American
    won’t denounce
    spiritual advisor
    Bamboozled
    passport records
    white arrogance
    Obama’s Radical Roots
    Typical White Person
    Bred to fear
    Million man march
    Obama Destiny’s Child
    the candidate of race
    African-American GDP = Mexico’s GDP
    typical white person
    I cannot swallow whole the view of Lincoln as the Great Emancipator
    partial birth
    blacks given right to vote 1870
    women given right to vote 1920
    fight the power
    don’t want my daughters punished with a pregnancy
    Investigate Bush Administration
    Lower Taxes, Higher Tax Receipts
    Marx
    cling to guns
    Religion is the opiate of the masses
    Hamas for Obama

  7. #7
    On April 19th, 2008 at 8:20 am, graysonret said:

    These people just can’t keep their mouths shut. They don’t understand that they are not the intellectuals and saviors of the country that they think they are, so they constantly saying things that have the reverse effect. Obama’s campaign people must be rolling their eyes about this and I’m sure, once again, his spin doctors will be working overtime to cover it. One thing may come out of this Presidential campaign: Don’t throw your hat in the ring early, you’ll regret it. I still haven’t decided who I think should win the nomination. I don’t know who is the biggest “fool” is yet. There are much better democrats out there who could do a better job campaigning than these two. Glad to see the party is so fouled up (the usual) that it can’t use them.

  8. #8
    On April 19th, 2008 at 8:21 am, Lockstein13 said:

    “But that’s par for the course” indeed.

    In the Boston Globe (surprise), they quote the first part of Ayers’ statement, “I don’t regret setting bombs,” to hightlight the – ahem – “associations” Obama has, which might be seen as radical. Funny, though, how they omitted the “I feel we didn’t do enough” part.

    Then again, unrepentant likes attract likes.

  9. #9
    On April 19th, 2008 at 8:43 am, toubabou said:

    This is one of the best-written posts I have seen in a long time. Kudos, See-dubya.

    The distinction, particularly, between a terrorist rotting unlamented in prison and a terrorist living off of government largesse (U of Chicago, right?) and Liberal approval is telling.

  10. #10
    On April 19th, 2008 at 8:52 am, MagicalPat said:

    Such a helpful post. From this moment on, whenever anyone says, “it was 40 years ago” or, “they only spent a little time together”, I will ask that person if they would feel the same way if Ayers bombed an abortion clinic.

    I did this last night in fact. The conversation abruptly ended.

    I can’t wait for the debate where his highness is asked this question. I hope he has enough room in his mouth to fit a clown shoe.

  11. #11
    On April 19th, 2008 at 8:52 am, undrseige247 said:

    This Bill Ayers would have been a great member of the Brownshirts during the 1930′s.

  12. #12
    On April 19th, 2008 at 8:54 am, gollumclone said:

    Sadly, this only makes the mutant kool-aide drinkers adore Obama even more. The media has shown once again how much they are in the tank for Hussein by attacking Gibson’s and Stephanopoulis’ mere act of asking pertinent questions. And all that is supposed to have a chilling effect on reporters who monitor debates down the road. With “journalists” like Olbermann and Matthews already fawning over Hussein, doesn’t seem like the elite media has the cojones or desire to rattle that Marxist’s cage.
    Also my understanding is that there is an arrest warrant out for Ayer’s wife, Dorhn. So why isn’t she arrested? Too hard to find? Why would a college even have Ayer’s as a professor? Oh, right- he spoke truth to power. Another hate America first ward churchill clone.

    Imagine the Cook county political criminal enterprise in the white house making deals in about eight months from now?

  13. #13
    On April 19th, 2008 at 8:56 am, DesertLover said:

    When I first heard the comparisons to Coburn I felt it was way more than a “stretch” to find similarities in the two of them …

    In fact I immediately thought of Rudolph as a more accurate comparison …

    Fun to find myself thinking along the same lines as our fabulous hostess …

    Thanks Michelle …

  14. #14
    On April 19th, 2008 at 8:58 am, DesertLover said:

    Oops … sorry see-dubya … didn’t read the byline …

    Thanks to you as well … :lol:

  15. #15
    On April 19th, 2008 at 9:00 am, Tennessee Dave said:

    Somebody help me. When was the last time it was revealed that a conservative tenured academic type had:
    a sorted past that included bombing buildings and attempted murder?
    cried wolf about a hate crime that turned out to be false?
    plagarized work and made up facts and quotes to fit into a thesis?
    ect……

  16. #16
    On April 19th, 2008 at 9:11 am, ajmontana said:

    The only place I want to see Oblahma’s or El Skanky’s picture is on the back of a milk carton front of a wanted poster.

  17. #17
    On April 19th, 2008 at 9:14 am, GladzKravtz said:

    see-dubya’s post is fantastic! Ayers sipping wine and eating arugula salads with his Chicago social set while Eric ‘enjoys’ the treatment aka justice deserved by his own actions. Great example of how lopsided to the left our culture has become over the years. Don’t think this Ayers issue is going away.

  18. #18
    On April 19th, 2008 at 9:29 am, rooster said:

    On April 19th, 2008 at 9:00 am, Tennessee Dave said:
    Somebody help me. When was the last time it was revealed that a conservative tenured academic type had:
    a sorted past that included bombing buildings and attempted murder?
    cried wolf about a hate crime that turned out to be false?
    plagarized work and made up facts and quotes to fit into a thesis?
    ect……

    Just wait right there tennesse dave and I’ll look that up……..don’t hold your breath, it might be awhile before we can find that kind of info.

  19. #19
    On April 19th, 2008 at 9:34 am, Milwaukee Mike said:

    The BHO faithful would not see parallel with Rudolph and Ayers because the latter is not in prison.

  20. #20
    On April 19th, 2008 at 9:36 am, DaveC said:

    Nice Posting Michelle See Dubya..

  21. #21
    On April 19th, 2008 at 9:51 am, Boomer said:

    Nice read see-dubya! I never have been able to wrap my mind around the liberal double standard especially when it comes to their fawning and friendly association with radical terrorist groups. Conservatives shun those on the radical right the left embraces theirs, I guess in a perfect world all would either be rotting in prison or be hung from the nearest tree.

    petergwynne75 nice comprehensive list of all the character flaws and gaffs of the Obamination. :D

    On April 19th, 2008 at 8:52 am, undrseige247 said:
    This Bill Ayers would have been a great member of the Brownshirts during the 1930’s.

    Too bad he didn’t suffer the same fate as the SA (Storm Troopers for those that don’t get the History Channel) during a similar “Night of the Long Knives” bloody purge.

  22. #22
    On April 19th, 2008 at 10:05 am, PatriotRider said:

    Great post! And look, the usual trolls have nothing to say.

  23. #23
    On April 19th, 2008 at 10:10 am, typicalwhiteboy said:

    I can’t help but think that Al Queada members all over the world are dancing and high-fiving each other and thinking
    ” if so many people are taken in by Obama, that our take over of the world will be much simpler than we ever dreamed.”

  24. #24
    On April 19th, 2008 at 10:16 am, Dubya said:

    In this recent revival of interest in Ayres, no one I saw brought up the occasion in 2005 when Ayers, his terrorist wife Bernadette Dohrn, and Obama all spoke at the farewell dinner for Rashid Khalidi. Were we supposed to be saving that for an October surprise? Will video surface? I didn’t get that memo yet…

    Andrew C. McCarthy wrote an article last week laying out some of Obama’s questionable relationships. Khalidi included. Within he mentions that as board members of the Woods Fund both Obama and Ayers voted to donate $75,000 to the Arab American Action Network (cofounded by Khalidi). It also demonstrates a connection between Khalidi and the PLO.

  25. #25
    On April 19th, 2008 at 10:21 am, live to tell said:

    Great article see-dubya and Michelle ! Also a tip of the hat to Sean Hannity for keeping it real .

  26. #26
    On April 19th, 2008 at 11:04 am, txvet2 said:

    On April 19th, 2008 at 10:05 am, PatriotRider said:

    Great post! And look, the usual trolls have nothing to say.

    Too late. Somebody’s already beaten LGM to connecting it to abortion clinic bombings and there’s no hook for Rusty to play the moral equivalence card.

  27. #27
    On April 19th, 2008 at 11:07 am, BrianNY said:

    -William Ayers is the son of Thomas Ayers, former Chairman and CEO of Commonwealth Edison, a 1960s-era radical and former member of the Weather Underground.
    -Bernardine Dohrn is a former leader of the 1960s radical leftist organization Weatherman.
    -Dohrn traveled to Cuba and met with representatives of the North Vietnamese and Cuban governments.
    -Dohrn is a principal signatory on the group’s “Declaration of a State of War” (1970) which formally declared war on the U.S. Government, and completed the group’s transformation from political advocacy to armed resistance. Dohrn also co-wrote and published the subversive manifesto Prairie Fire (1974), and participated in the covertly-filmed Underground (1976).
    -After the Greenwich Village townhouse explosion, in which three members (Ted Gold, Terry Robbins, and Diana Oughton, who was William Ayers’ girlfriend at the time) were killed while constructing a nail bomb, all members of Weatherman went underground and the group took on its last and most famous title, the Weather Underground.
    -The Weathermen and Weather Underground were suspected in various bombings–police cars, the National Guard Association building, the U.S. Capitol and the Pentagon. Dohrn allegedly participated in many of the group’s revolutionary activities.
    -While on the run from police, Dohrn and Ayers married and had two children, Zayd and Malik.
    -While some charges relating to their activities with the Weathermen were dropped due to governmental misconduct, Dohrn pled guilty to charges of aggravated battery and bail jumping, receiving probation.
    -She later served less than a year of jail time, after refusing to testify against ex-Weatherman Susan Rosenberg in an armed robbery case.
    -From 1984 to 1988, Dohrn was employed by the law firm Sidley Austin, although her criminal record has prevented her from being admitted to either the New York or Illinois bar.
    -In 1991, she became a Clinical Associate Professor of Law at Northwestern University in Chicago.
    -She now serves on the board of numerous human rights committees and teaches comparative law.
    -Since 2002, she has served as Visiting Law Faculty at the Vrije Universiteit in Amsterdam.
    In the 1980s William Ayers undertook graduate training in education and earned his doctorate in 1987.
    -He has edited and written many books and articles on education theory, policy and practice.
    -He was tapped by Mayor Richard M. Daley to shape Chicago’s now nationally-renowned school reform program.
    -Since 1999, he has served on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago, an anti-poverty philanthropic foundation, with United States Senator and Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama.
    -In 2001, Ayers published Fugitive Days: A Memoir. Ayers’s interview with the New York Times about his book was published on September 11, 2001, and opens with his statement, “I don’t regret setting bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough.”

    It seems that liberals and democrats alike have rewarded these two criminal enemies of America very generously.

  28. #28
    On April 19th, 2008 at 11:10 am, shooter said:

    CW.
    EXACTLY
    PERFECT
    Now, if only the world could see.

  29. #29
    On April 19th, 2008 at 11:40 am, DBNinKY said:

    To admit the truth about what Ayers and Dohrn’s status means involves admitting much more about the historical relationship between the Left and radical violence than America is ready to acknowledge.

    An absolutely riveting article see-dubya! I hope as many people as possible read this, as it is vital every voter know who Obama is, and how much the Left will abide!

  30. #30
    On April 19th, 2008 at 11:41 am, love2rumba said:

    During the Summer Quarter of 2006, I had to put up with an English class that wasrequired at the University of Washington that did nothing but portray the Weather Underground as misunderstood heroes.

    The same class put forth the nonsense that we should not have atom bombed Japan…

    It was a long quarter.

  31. #31
    On April 19th, 2008 at 11:44 am, Old Scout said:

    William Harris is a founding member of the Symbionese Liberation Army, who was arrested with Patty Hearst.

    Nonetheless, he was allowed to have a private investigator’s license in California. How’d that happen?

    However, DNA evidence was uncovered that linked him to a bank robbery/murder, and took a 7 year sentence as a plea bargain in 2003.

  32. #32
    On April 19th, 2008 at 11:46 am, Bobzim said:

    As I pointed out over at Surber’s joint, it seems to me that all of this Right Wing hand wringing over Ayres would have more credibility if Orlando Bosch wasn’t a free man, living comfortably in Florida.

    Guess it depends on who’s ox is getting blown up.

  33. #33
    On April 19th, 2008 at 11:56 am, bit_boy said:

    Wow, does not Obama promise change and Ayers is mainstream change. What better credentials can a person have than the esteem of a city like Chicago and being a professor of education and a Senior University Scholar at the University of Illinois. Will we not all sleep better knowing this component of Obama’s change will have free access to the White House and who knows, perhaps the Capital. Juicy targets for any unrepentant terrorist, no no not Obama… Ayers.

  34. #34
    On April 19th, 2008 at 11:58 am, greenfairie said:

    It’s amazing how much the white ’60s radicals got away with (did the Black Panthers and other black radicals get those kinds of breaks?). But as I told my mom recently, there’s a continuum from looking the other way or romanticizing the middle class domestic terrorists of the ’60s to the national pity party for the jihadist terrorists today.

    I read a book about Diana Oughton a long time ago, basically about how she went from being a nice girl next door to a ’60s idealist Peace Corps volunteer with designs on medical school to blowing herself to bits in Greenwich Village.

  35. #35
    On April 19th, 2008 at 12:01 pm, planetgeo said:

    The unfortunate truth is that Ayers is not simply tolerated and coddled by the left, he is idolized by them. The “silent left majority” is very much like the “silent moderate Islamist majority”. Just because they are not at this moment pulling triggers and detonating suicide belts doesn’t mean that they don’t want to. They do. They just don’t have the courage to do it.

    So instead, they are “revolutiary wannabes.” Wearing their Che T-shirts, pimping for Castro and Chavez. Fainting for Obama. It’s the least they can do for the revolutionary cause.

    One other thing. The 2nd Amendment is the antidote. And they know it.

  36. #36
    On April 19th, 2008 at 12:07 pm, BrianNY said:

    #34 planetgeo said:

    The 2nd Amendment is the antidote. And they know it.

    All centralized planners/Marxists/socialists know this.

    That’s why it’s the first right/threat that they try to take away.

  37. #37
    On April 19th, 2008 at 12:20 pm, pueblo1032 said:

    The more he goes off script, the more of a FOOL he is exposed to be. The bloggers have to take every chance they get to expose this empty suit. His handlers will attempt to spin this away from MSM, but we need to keep up the heat. This FOOL has no business seeking the nomination for President, let alone the Presidency of the greatest NATION on this planet.

  38. #38
    On April 19th, 2008 at 12:22 pm, BrianNY said:

    #30 said:

    I had to put up with an English class that was required at the University of Washington that did nothing but portray the Weather Underground as misunderstood heroes.

    I’ve thought about this. I remember seeing many PBS documentaries during my youth which portrayed the Weather Underground as “misunderstood heroes.”

    I believe that the 1988 River Phoenix movie, “Running on Empty” was another attempt to diffuse the criminal and treasonous behavior of liberals like William Ayers and Bernadette Dohrn.

    It’s no surprise that liberals in positions of power, from Mayor Richard M.Daley (D) to Senator Barack Obama (D), have rewarded these two anti-American criminals very generously within their subcultures.

  39. #39
    On April 19th, 2008 at 12:28 pm, robhic said:

    On April 19th, 2008 at 8:52 am, MagicalPat said:

    [...]

    I can’t wait for the debate where his highness is asked this question. I hope he has enough room in his mouth to fit a clown shoe.

    Open mouth. Insert clown shoe. I love that one!

    I, too, would like to see the annointed messiah answer that one…

  40. #40
    On April 19th, 2008 at 12:32 pm, see-dubya said:

    BobZim #32–

    Yeah, can you believe those McCain fundraisers that guy has organized?

    Oh, wait…

    See, here’s the thing: I’ve never heard of Orlando Bosch, but his Wikipedia entry says he was in Dealey Plaza when Kennedy was killed and that he blew up a plane full of Cuban athletes. The conspiratorial aspect of the first charge makes me wonder about the second. But let’s assume he did everything you would like him to have done:

    You throw that out there because if there were some meaningful connection between Bosch and a Republican candidate, we’d be ashamed of it.

    Where’s the shame for Bill Ayers?

  41. #41
    On April 19th, 2008 at 12:37 pm, Tennessee Dave said:

    On April 19th, 2008 at 11:41 am, love2rumba said:
    During the Summer Quarter of 2006, I had to put up with an English class that was required at the University of Washington that did nothing but portray the Weather Underground as misunderstood heroes.

    The same class put forth the nonsense that we should not have atom bombed Japan…

    It was a long quarter.

    I don’t understand something and I guess things have changed since I was in college. For some reason, I thought a college English class would prepare a student to write essays and papers that would prepare them to be proffesionals in their chosen vocation. At least, the ones that I took had that purpose.
    Somewhere in time, did teachers get in such short supply that they had to combine English, history, and political science classes together?
    I could see the Weather Underground and the bombing of Japan as subjects that someone might want to write about, but not as the point of the class.

  42. #42
    On April 19th, 2008 at 12:49 pm, ThackerAgency said:

    Well said, MM. If I was Coburn, I’d be pretty upset that my ‘friend’ equated me with a domestic terrorist for advocating protection of the unborn from murder.

    I don’t know if I’d consider Obama much of a ‘friend’ anymore if he threw me under the bus like that for his own sake. That’s not reaching across the aisle, that’s shooting across the aisle.

  43. #43
    On April 19th, 2008 at 1:27 pm, jroberts said:

    How many people did Ayers kill? Is anyone even claiming that he did? Not even the FBI’s website says Ayers or the Weather Underground killed anyone in bombing them, and the folks that did kill in a robbery were arrested. Bombing a government building is wrong, of course, but is it as wrong than killing people? I mean, how is this not an unwarranted equivocation. People’s lives are worth more than government property. Unless Ayers did in fact kill someone, tax evaders would be a legitimate comparison. In fact, given the number of Weather underground bombings compared to the number of bombing casualties (over 25:0, according to the FBI, and not counting an accident that killed 3 of their own), I’d say that, unlike Rudolph, Ayers went out of his way not to kill.

    http://www.fbi.gov/page2/jan04/weather012904.htm

  44. #44
    On April 19th, 2008 at 1:35 pm, see-dubya said:

    So bombs that just destroy property are no worse than tax evasion, jroberts?

    Remind me of this the next time some pro-lifer blows up an abortion clinic. No fatalities? People just a little scared? Hey, just a misdemeanor then, right, jroberts?

    IT’S TERRORISM, YOU IDIOT!

    YOU ARE AN APOLOGIST FOR TERRORISTS.

  45. #45
    On April 19th, 2008 at 1:46 pm, rooster said:

    On April 19th, 2008 at 1:27 pm, jroberts said:

    He went out of his way? You aren’t an apologist, you are a knucklehead.

    It was sheer luck that know one was killed or injured. Or do you have some inside information on the planning and execution stages of the operations?

  46. #46
    On April 19th, 2008 at 1:47 pm, rooster said:

    I guess I’m the knucklehead too. I meant that no one was killed or injured.

  47. #47
    On April 19th, 2008 at 1:51 pm, libocrat said:

    Most of you understand that liberals are not honest. Honesty is for suckers and Conservatives. Power is what libs want. Power and your money.
    Orlando Bosch serves on which boards with wich Conservatives? Which University has made him a rich man and professor. Which Conservatives adore him?
    Bobzim, do you wear the same size clown shoes os Jesus Obama?

  48. #48
    On April 19th, 2008 at 1:52 pm, Texasdave said:

    Dude, Karl Rove’s like Obi-Wan Kenobi in Star Wars. You strike him down from the White House, and he goes on Fox becomes more powerful than you could possibly imagine.

    MM: Thanks for the laugh. And it is true! I turn up Fox every time I see Rove on there.

    A lot of Chicago society is complicit in insulating Ayers and Dohrn from their execrable pasts.

    Chicago is losing population (Houston, my hometown is in line to take Chicago’s 3rd largest title). Perhaps Chicago’s tendency to harbor radicals is driving part of its population away?

  49. #49
    On April 19th, 2008 at 1:54 pm, see-dubya said:

    jroberts–

    He set off a flipping BOMB IN THE PENTAGON–during a fracking war. And he was still laughing it up in 2001.

    Hey, maybe it’s just performance art:

    Notwithstanding his violent past, Ayers today does not describe himself as a terrorist. “Terrorists destroy randomly,” he reasons, “while our actions bore … the precise stamp of a cut diamond. Terrorists intimidate, while we aimed only to educate.”

    Not only is Ayers a terrorist, he’s a farking snobby terrorist.

  50. #50
    On April 19th, 2008 at 2:10 pm, jroberts said:

    Rooster,

    No, I do not have any inside information. However, I don’t see how someone can set off 25+ bombs and not kill anyone without intending not to kill anyone. It’s possible that that they are just amazingly incompetent, but it seems more likely that their intent was not to kill. I should’ve said “I would say that it seems very very likely that…” rather than just “I’d…” As they went 0-for-25+ without killing anyone, they are either the least competent terrorists in all of history, or they really weren’t trying to kill anyone.

    CW.

    Property does not equal people. That’s all I’m saying. Murder is not morally equivalent to not-murder. I said that bombs that destroy government property with the intent not to kill are more like tax evasion than bombs that destroy peole. (1) Tax evaders deprive the government of that which by law belongs to the government. (2) The weather underground destroyed that which belongs to the government. (3) Eric Rudolph killed people. (2) is inarguably worse than (1) by degree, but it is an of an entirely different kind than (3).

    And you assume because I disagree with the logic of the post that I’m pro-abortion-clinic? Maybe I’m just pro-not equating property with human life. Bombing an abortion clinic without killing anyone, so long as the intent as carried out was not to kill, is considerably different than bombing an abortion clinic with indifference as to whether or not one kills or with intent to kill. If someone manages to bomb 25 abortion clinics without killing anyone, I think I’d say the same them as I would about Ayers. The issue is whether or not property = people.

    Also, the name-calling doesn’t contribute anything useful.

  51. #51
    On April 19th, 2008 at 2:40 pm, jroberts said:

    see-dubya,

    I hadn’t seen the quotes vis-a-vis the Fort Dix plan in the link you provided. That actually does change the issue. He does seem pretty indifferent to not-killing, and this brings him morally a lot closer to Rudolph. Granted, he said this way after the fact, so it could just be posturing, but he does make himself out to be very anti-killing people.

    Still, property is worth less than people. The initial post still treats the destruction of buildings as equivalent to the destruction of people, so the post is still wrong in how it comes to its conclusion, even though Ayers is likely equivalent or nearly equivalent to Rudolph.

    See, if you deal with the issue at hand (as you did in your last comment) rather than just name-calling (as in your previous comment), you can actually get somewhere.

  52. #52
    On April 19th, 2008 at 2:40 pm, second digit said:

    Michelle, nail on head:

    this is bigger than Obama.

    In fact, this is bigger than the Chicago liberal elite embracing radicalism, it simply reflects a worldview of all the leftists in this country. To paraphrase Jeane Kirkpatrick, it’s the “Hate America First” crowd. There is something deep within their souls that will not allow them to cherish their country. As a child of the 60′s and 70′s whose father and 5 uncles all fought in Vietnam, I believe the “hate America” attitude gained purchase during that period and it has been relentless ever since. President Reagan gave significant pushback to that viewpoint but the leftists have used Iraq to leverage themselves back in a dominant position. To preserve this nation, in light of the Obama-Ayers relationship (among a host of other reasons), it is clear that Obama must be defeated in the upcoming election.

  53. #53
    On April 19th, 2008 at 2:43 pm, NHMagenta said:

    One should notice a key difference between these old 60s/70s lefty radicals and the hard-Right ones; the Lefties had very wealthy families who didn’t throw them to the dogs when the FBI and DOJ came knocking.

    This in turn exposes a systematic defect of the American justice system; regardless of the crime, if you have enough money and influence behind you, you will rarely pay full price via the System.

    “Full price” is only via extra-legal methods, usually a jailhouse murder or a lynch-mob.

  54. #54
    On April 19th, 2008 at 2:52 pm, gollumclone said:

    How in bloody hell can anyone with half a brain think that 25 bombings are not so bad because no one was killed. I can imagine me planting bombs to blow up schools when they are likely to be empty or going outside on an overpass and just firing a gun or tossing a rock onto traffic. Ayers and his crew should have been locked away at hard labor for an eternity in some Alaskan wilderness. Liberals don’t want ANWR for any drilling. So make it a gulag for scum like Dorhn and Ayers, Rudolph, the Unambomber, Chas. Manson et al. The fact is that Michelle Obama and Hussein idolize and associate with all sorts of terrorists and hate america whack jobs and yet the cult of personality is blind to his character flaws and sheer incompetency. I have liberal women telling me about his “outstanding” books and how electing him POTUS would show the world how great America is. What total BS. We don’t need no stinkin’ affirmative action in the White House. It will be a sad day if this phony messiah gets the keys to the WH. And who give a good damn what the europussies want anyway? I just had a Canadian jackass tell me how great Canadian medical care is and how so many Americans flock there for treatment. My observations are that the Euros and Canadians are coming here for timely and competent Rx. So many revisionist facts out there. Yes, let’s reward the Weather Underground with prestigious academic professorships and enable more traitorous and seditious behavior.

  55. #55
    On April 19th, 2008 at 3:09 pm, Christian Soldier said:

    In which California High School does

    Rick AYERS teach!?

    I want to warn my friends, who have children still in school, that BILL AYERS brother may be teaching their children!

  56. #56
    On April 19th, 2008 at 3:17 pm, Knife-n-Dork said:

    Sean Hannity once asked if someone “would please pass the salt”, so that question is no longer valid.

  57. #57
    On April 19th, 2008 at 3:41 pm, rooster said:

    I love the update from the Hildabeast advisor.

    Geez Louise, Rove gets blamed for the dems laying out a hit on Obama before “Team Juan McCain” can even have a chance muster the courage to coordinate an attack on a fellow dem.

  58. #58
    On April 19th, 2008 at 4:11 pm, DBNinKY said:

    From See-Dubya’s link in post #49:

    “A substantial portion of Ayers’ book Fugitive Days discusses the author’s penchant for building and deploying explosives. Ayers boast that he “participated in the bombings of New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, of the Capitol building in 1971, and the Pentagon in 1972.” Of the day he bombed the Pentagon, Ayers says, “Everything was absolutely ideal. … The sky was blue. The birds were singing. And the bastards were finally going to get what was coming to them.”

    EVERYONE, please find/make the time to go to this link and read the entire article!

  59. #59
    On April 19th, 2008 at 4:12 pm, see-dubya said:

    jroberts, I misinterpreted your comment as a defense of Ayres. I apologize.

  60. #60
    On April 19th, 2008 at 4:51 pm, Papa Louie said:

    Obama claims that “guilt by association” is wrong and that he should not be held accountable for associating with someone who committed crimes 40 years ago. Did he learn those values at church – the same church that condemns children for the sins of their slave owning fathers? Not only are the children condemned but also all those who share the same skin color with them even if their ancestors never owned slaves. All whites are quilty by association for crimes that occurred before they were born according to Obama’s spiritual mentor.

    The phrases “typical white person” and “rich white people” imply guilt by association and so does the concept of affirmative action, which is based on both guilt by association and victimhood by association. I wonder where Obama stands on affirmative action and reparations for slavery? A Google search brings up links that claim he is for them and others that claim he is against them. What a surprise! Does anyone really know what Obama stands for? Is it too much to hope he is willing to treat others like he wants to be treated?

  61. #61
    On April 19th, 2008 at 4:55 pm, graysonret said:

    And finally, when Democrats in Idaho vote in their presidential primary next month — they will choose between Hillary Clinton — Barack Obama — and a federal prison inmate from Texas named Keith Russell Judd. The Idaho Statesman Newspaper reports Judd took advantage of a loophole in the rules — and got his name on the ballot by submitting a notarized form and paying a $1,000 fee. A recent change in state election law eliminated the requirement that used to mandate 3,000 signatures on a petition. Idaho’s secretary of state says, “We got conned.” A state party official says the situation is particularly bad since another qualified candidate for local office was kept off the ballot on a technicality. “It’s a mockery of the system,” he says. “We have this really good candidate who can’t get on the ballot, and this yahoo prisoner in Texas who coughs up $1,000 can.”

    Based on what we’ve seen of Obama and Clinton, maybe this guy needs looking into. :)

  62. #62
    On April 19th, 2008 at 4:57 pm, Laree said:

    this is a Carter update from Imus Truth.

    Hamas suicide bombers attack Israel-Gaza crossing; 13 hurt

    Meanwhile, former U.S. President Jimmy Carter met with senior Hamas leaders in Damascus, Syria, for a second day to hear their views, defying U.S. and Israeli warnings that doing so would grant the group legitimacy. The U.S. and Israel have labeled Hamas a terrorist organization.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080419/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians_41;_ylt=AvHXxyDH1EAgAnq44uCruLwUewgF

    I think we should block Jimmy Carter’s re-entry into the United States

  63. #63
    On April 19th, 2008 at 5:42 pm, rooster said:

    On April 19th, 2008 at 4:51 pm, Papa Louie said
    Is it too much to hope he is willing to treat others like he wants to be treated?

    Papa Louie,
    Are you a closet Obamamaniac?

  64. #64
    On April 19th, 2008 at 6:35 pm, mistressjustice said:

    I mentioned Eric Rudolph on the original thread(Barry Horowitz back pat), and I’m pleasantly surprised to see that nobody is defending him.

    I’d like to hear some statements from Hillary about her hubby issuing pardons to Weather Underground members. Hillary is in a glass house when it comes to most issues.

  65. #65
    On April 20th, 2008 at 2:49 am, Papa Louie said:

    rooster said:
    Papa Louie,
    Are you a closet Obamamaniac?

    No rooster, I misspoke because I was tired and dodging sniper fire.
    I had hoped to return to this thread in time to deny the Obamessiah before the cock crowed. But alas, I see that I am too late.

  66. #66
    On April 20th, 2008 at 9:36 am, rooster said:

    Papa Louie,
    I was yanking your chain. I saw one of Barrack’s buzz words….hope… and saw an opportunity to illustrate insanity for the trolls here.

  67. #67
    On April 20th, 2008 at 9:39 am, rooster said:

    Papa Louie
    You got me, I read right through it. You are using Barry’s tactics with the hypnotic hope messages, again.

  68. #68
    On April 20th, 2008 at 11:35 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Bill Ayers, his terrorist wife Bernadette Dohrn, and Senator Barrack Hussein Obama, as well as Eric Rudolph, all share one goal–to take us where do not want to go. Mrs. Barrack Hussein Obama said so. A few bombs here, a few over there and we Right Wing Radicals get uppity. But perhaps Senator Barrack Hussein Obama did us one favor-he dismantaled the Arkansas Power Machine and it is now safe to listen to Tammy Wynett. So we hicks in the sticks, typical white persons bitterly clinging to our God and Guns can all hold hands and sing God D–n the US of KKK-A in Church this morning. Or not.

  69. #69
    On April 20th, 2008 at 12:27 pm, TuskAmerica said:

    I can’t believe the University of Illinois at Chicago is employing the despicable terrorist William Ayers. Where’s the outrage?

    Here’s Ayer’s email addy if you would like to drop him a note.. bayers@uic.edu

    An article by Donna Ron from Frontpage magazine, some strong language within..

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.aspx?GUID=9E8CD8A7-E90B-4311-8AA9-AEFD014A14B2

  70. #70
    On April 21st, 2008 at 9:21 am, JohnW said:

    Rudolph and Ayers are unrepentant domestic terrorists. They are evil. Decent people detest them. And if someone were to take money from Eric Rudolph, or get a start in politics from an endorsement in Eric Rudolph’s home, if someone were chummy with Eric Rudolph and kept moving in the same circles with him, that person would rightly be detested as well.

    My sentiments exactly. Hit the nail on the head. Hole in one. Correctomundo.

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