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The stench from “MyBO”

By see-dubya  •  April 21, 2008 03:21 AM

First of all, who thought that “MyBO” would be a good name for a pro-Obamessiah online community? The jokes write themselves. But the name is just the beginning.

Apparently the wonderful shiny happy Obama cult is engaging in a little bit of online extremism, and causing the Obama webmasters fits–and keeping righty bloggers busy. Example:

“I am not a Zionist,” she [the administrator of one of the niche sites on MyBO] wrote when she raised the warning flag April 9, “but I am very aware of the widespread concern that Rev. (Louis) Farrakhan’s association with Rev. Wright creates an opportunity for opponents to falsely claim that Senator Obama is anti-Semitic. Any posts that support this false claim will not be approved. Examples include direct comparison between the Nazi Holocaust and the oppression of Tibet or Palestinians.”

That same day, the Obama campaign deleted Tony Wicher’s profile from MyBO. Wicher is a 62-year-old computer programmer from Ontario, Calif., whose references to “Zionist Thought Police” and Israeli “apartheid” made him a favorite Israpundit target.

That’s Bill Levinson at Israpundit, who’s been mining the MyBO forums for nuttiness. Levinson admits, correctly, that these are cheap gotchas–what people post in what amounts to a comment section isn’t directly attributable to the candidate. It is revealing, though, in that it shows the kind of wackos the Obamessiah’s no-flag-pin smartypants act is attracting to MyBO.

It’s actually the less extreme examples quoted in that article that are more interesting. This guy, for example, just can’t understand why the MyBO moderators shut down his awesome idea:

LaFleur, who already belongs to 64 different Obama groups, recently tried to launch a new one — White Folks for Obama. His intent was not to provoke but to disarm, his point being that throughout the process white folks have supported Obama in large numbers and will continue to do so. The powers that be stalled him. Instead, he and his girlfriend created a Web site for the group off MyBO.

I’m sure Exalted Cyclops is kicking himself that he missed the signup for that one.

And then this guy:

“I think that Obama’s political genius is [Obamessiah rosary omitted--See Dub],” Ben Vos, a 33-year-old evangelical Christian who works as a therapist in Nashville, Tenn., wrote in an e-mail.

Vos, who voted for Bush in 2000, belongs to 25 MyBO groups — including Pro-Life for Obama and Believers for Barack. He also founded Beer Drinkers for Barack to combat Karl Rove’s depiction of Obama as the darling of “the white wine crowd.”

Pro-Life for Obama? Dude, no. No.

No.

P.S. Karl Rove’s depiction of Obama as a Chardonnay Che? We get no respect!

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  1. #1
    On April 21st, 2008 at 3:58 am, LT Nixon said:

    LaFleur, who already belongs to 64 different Obama groups, recently tried to launch a new one — White Folks for Obama. His intent was not to provoke but to disarm, his point being that throughout the process white folks have supported Obama in large numbers and will continue to do so.

    I’m so relieved to be part of an official “identity” group to neatly lump all my feelings, political leanings, and my very existence into a broad-sweeping stereotype. Why think independently and critically, when you can just vote for the politician who courts the “White Male” vote.

    On a serious note I thought identity politics would have died in the 90s…man was I wrong.

  2. #2
    On April 21st, 2008 at 5:20 am, graysonret said:

    I would suspect a very little group would be “lovers of the flag and America for Obama”. Very little or totally empty.

  3. #3
    On April 21st, 2008 at 5:52 am, txvet2 said:

    Dpesn’t anybody sleep around here?

  4. #4
    On April 21st, 2008 at 6:25 am, ajmontana said:

    BO? No, he has BBO, beyond BO.

  5. #5
    On April 21st, 2008 at 6:27 am, zorro said:

    [Obamessiah rosary omitted–See Dub]

    Ha! I fully expect to see thackeragency’s depiction of “Pope Rage Boy” here this morning.

  6. #6
    On April 21st, 2008 at 6:48 am, orlandocajun said:

    The scope of mental illness in the masses in this country is frightening. There’s a good reason they’re referred to as the “Nutroots”. They’re all nuts.

  7. #7
    On April 21st, 2008 at 7:12 am, txvet2 said:

    On April 21st, 2008 at 6:48 am, orlandocajun said:

    The scope of mental illness in the masses in this country is frightening. There’s a good reason they’re referred to as the “Nutroots”. They’re all nuts.

    Referring to your fellow citizens as “the masses” reflects an elitist attitude. They’re not so much nuts as ignorant. And the more college they get the more ignorant they become. People have done studies on it. I don’t think it’s as much the leftist indoctrination as the loss of the ability for critical thinking and exercising common sense. In other words, “the masses” aren’t the nuts. The elites are.

  8. #8
    On April 21st, 2008 at 7:24 am, DagneyT said:

    There are times I totally understand the founders’ reasoning for limiting the eligible voting population to landowners, this is one of those times.

    My mother taught me that I would be judged by the company I keep. I tend to judge others in the same way, and BO’s “company” is pretty smelly. (sorry, couldn’t resist;-)

  9. #9
    On April 21st, 2008 at 8:03 am, orlandocajun said:

    On April 21st, 2008 at 7:12 am, txvet2 said:

    Referring to your fellow citizens as “the masses” reflects an elitist attitude. They’re not so much nuts as ignorant. And the more college they get the more ignorant they become. People have done studies on it. I don’t think it’s as much the leftist indoctrination as the loss of the ability for critical thinking and exercising common sense. In other words, “the masses” aren’t the nuts. The elites are.

    You’re splitting hairs…people who have lost their ability for critical thinking and exercising common sense are indeed nuts!

    Feel free to substitute “fellow citizens” for “masses” in my comments if that will help.

    Call me an elite if you will, but the facts are on my side.

  10. #10
    On April 21st, 2008 at 8:13 am, txvet2 said:

    You’re splitting hairs…people who have lost their ability for critical thinking and exercising common sense are indeed nuts!

    You didn’t understand my post. That’s exactly what I said!

  11. #11
    On April 21st, 2008 at 8:14 am, lgm said:

    Who decides what views are nutty? How about:

    * BinLaden is about to conquer America with the help of illegal Mexican immigrants?

    * A supernatural being created the world about 6000 years ago in six days. The good webmasters at conservapedia.com delete any edit to the contrary. This includes carbon 14 dating, archeology, etc.

    * Pork spending is the cause of our budget deficit. Cut our $20B/year pork and the $200B/year deficit will dissappear.

    * The sin of illegal immigration is so severe that if the Pope suggests forgiveness, he must be a Nazi (summarizing a thread from a few days ago).

  12. #12
    On April 21st, 2008 at 8:21 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    Ben Vos, a 33-year-old evangelical Christian who works as a therapist in Nashville, Tenn., wrote in an e-mail.

    Vos, who voted for Bush in 2000, belongs to 25 MyBO groups — including Pro-Life for Obama

    Talk about your oxy-moron moron of morons.

    Clue: BO is NOT pro-life. That is for those without a clue. The rest of us already know this already.

  13. #13
    On April 21st, 2008 at 8:31 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    ROFLMBO at lgm once again.

    Point one. That is nutty and you made it up so - there you go.

    Point two. Carbon 14 dating is a joke and no reliable scientist uses it unless they are trying to make a point about evolution. Too much evidence to list and way too many sources. Face: living snails date as old as 27,000 years. Archeology proved the Red Sea Crossing (that is in the Bible lgm).

    Point 3. That is just a stupid point. So, we should just ignore pork spending? Is that not how the deficit grows - we ignore the tax and spend Democrats?

    Point 4. “summarizing a thread from a few days ago” Your summary proves you are clueless.

    To answer your question, we have all decided your views are nutty. Now, go back to your bridge - scat!

  14. #14
    On April 21st, 2008 at 8:33 am, DesertLover said:

    lgm …

    although I agree with your premise on stopping the pork spending ($20B) I would point out that if alongside that you had also stopped spending the newly reported … $384 billion … that was spent last year on medical and welfare programs for illegals you would have had no deficit ($200B), would have paid for the Iraq war ($125B), and would still have $179 billion in the bank …

  15. #15
    On April 21st, 2008 at 8:34 am, Barry F. said:

    Nutroots, indeed. :lol:

  16. #16
    On April 21st, 2008 at 8:36 am, txvet2 said:

    On April 21st, 2008 at 8:14 am, lgm said:

    Who decides what views are nutty?

    I do, and you are.

  17. #17
    On April 21st, 2008 at 8:36 am, DesertLover said:

    Sorry … finger check … that leaves $79 Billion in the bank … it’s still early out west … :lol:

  18. #18
    On April 21st, 2008 at 8:42 am, mlnicosia said:

    Surprised to see i can’t register this site because GoDaddy parked it for free. Anyone got a clue why?

    http://www.mybho.com
    This page is parked free, courtesy of GoDaddy.com.

  19. #19
    On April 21st, 2008 at 8:46 am, DesertLover said:

    mlnicosia

    that simply means that it is a registered domain but not a published and active site yet …

    BTW … it is registered to an individual in Missouri City, Texas …

  20. #20
    On April 21st, 2008 at 8:46 am, Barry F. said:

    On April 21st, 2008 at 8:31 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    ROFLMBO at lgm once again…

    There you go feeding, Soap. ;-)

  21. #21
    On April 21st, 2008 at 8:48 am, Barry F. said:

    On April 21st, 2008 at 8:36 am, txvet2 said:

    On April 21st, 2008 at 8:14 am, lgm said:

    Who decides what views are nutty?

    I do, and you are.

    :lol:

  22. #22
    On April 21st, 2008 at 8:48 am, lgm said:

    DesertLover said (#14):

    although I agree with your premise on stopping the pork spending ($20B) I would point out that if alongside that you had also stopped spending the newly reported … $384 billion … that was spent last year on medical and welfare programs for illegals

    I googled around but couldn’t find a source for this. Can you post it? I did find a reference to the taxes illegals pay.

  23. #23
    On April 21st, 2008 at 8:49 am, mlnicosia said:

    The BHO web site has a menu item labeled ‘People’ with sub-items for Asians, African, First Americans(who was really first?), Latinos… etc. but no item for White americans.

  24. #24
    On April 21st, 2008 at 8:51 am, gunslingerpatriot said:

    “Aren’t you glad you use Sure, wouldn’t be nice if everyone used Sure?”

    GSP :P

  25. #25
    On April 21st, 2008 at 8:58 am, expat said:

    For someone who is supposed to bring us all together I find it really interesting that BO has people nicely segregated into different categories. And I am astonished mlnicosia that there is not a little cubby hole for white Americans to be tucked into.

  26. #26
    On April 21st, 2008 at 9:19 am, corona said:

    Fortunately, you won’t find any wackos here who regurgitate anti-Catholic slanders straight from the Know Nothings and the Ku Klux Klan ….
    oh, never mind!

  27. #27
    On April 21st, 2008 at 9:20 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    LGM,

    I see you like google.

    Carbon 14 problems.

    I did the work for you troll.

  28. #28
    On April 21st, 2008 at 9:22 am, GaMidnightRider said:

    I fear that if elected because of his association to the racist and extremeist we will see an emergance of the sepratist groups from the past. By this I mean the klan will start growing, the nazi parties, etc, etc…. He will not be a uniter like his crazy left wing loons think but rathwer a massive divider tearing this country apart at the seams. Deep down inside I think this is what the left wing nut jobs really want to do. They will not be happy till they have destroyed the USA.

  29. #29
    On April 21st, 2008 at 9:25 am, DBNinKY said:

    Which is greater: The amount of taxes collected from illegal workers? Or the amount illegals cost tax payers in medical, social and legal services?

  30. #30
    On April 21st, 2008 at 9:33 am, Barry F. said:

    On April 21st, 2008 at 9:25 am, DBNinKY said:

    Which is greater: The amount of taxes collected from illegal workers? Or the amount illegals cost tax payers in medical, social and legal services?

    Hmmmmm? I would go with door number two, DBN, hands down. ;-)

  31. #31
    On April 21st, 2008 at 9:33 am, DesertLover said:

    lgm

    I read it in a newspaper over the weekend … not sure if it linkable but will try to find out …

    in the mean time here is a link that everyone should check out regarding the costs of illegal immigrants …

    Costs of Illegal Immigration

    A real eye-opener to the costs …

  32. #32
    On April 21st, 2008 at 9:34 am, DesertLover said:

    DBNinKy and Barry F …

    Check out the link I just posted for the answer to your question …

  33. #33
    On April 21st, 2008 at 9:45 am, Milwaukee Mike said:

    Pro Life for Obama. What else could say more about how blinded some people are about the rock star?

  34. #34
    On April 21st, 2008 at 9:45 am, Barry F. said:

    On April 21st, 2008 at 9:34 am, DesertLover said:

    DBNinKy and Barry F …

    Check out the link I just posted for the answer to your question …

    Well, that was depressing. :-(

  35. #35
    On April 21st, 2008 at 9:45 am, RaisedRight said:

    I cannot get over the bizarre concept of a Pro-Life for Obama group. Obama is not, by any stretch of the imagination, a pro-life candidate. That does not mean that people cannot be pro-life but deem other issues more important, I suppose. However, this group actually seems to think that Obama is the pro-life candidate.

    A group for those who oppose abortion, but feel that Obama’s proposed policies will do a better job of preventing abortion than another four years of Republicans taking half-hearted pro-life positions while making it harder for women to choose life.

  36. #36
    On April 21st, 2008 at 9:46 am, DesertLover said:

    Barry F …

    Yep … that link sheds a whole new light on the costs doesn’t it?

  37. #37
    On April 21st, 2008 at 10:21 am, expat said:

    RaisedRight,

    There is no telling what some out of touch people will do. I am sure that there is at least one pro border enforcement person who is going to support Obama as well.

    DesertLover, those costs are staggering.

  38. #38
    On April 21st, 2008 at 10:23 am, Milwaukee Mike said:

    Pro-life for Obama.

    I still can’t quite get my head around that.

    All parallels seem to pale in comparison…

    Gays for Santorum
    PETA for Michael Vick
    MADD for Billy Joel
    AFA for Eliot Spitzer

  39. #39
    On April 21st, 2008 at 10:24 am, nyk said:

    #1 LT Nixon wrote:

    Why think independently and critically, when you can just vote for the politician who courts the “White Male” vote.

    You mean every Republican candidate since the passage of the Civil Rights Act?

  40. #40
    On April 21st, 2008 at 10:25 am, Barry F. said:

    On April 21st, 2008 at 9:46 am, DesertLover said:

    Barry F …

    Yep … that link sheds a whole new light on the costs doesn’t it?

    It does a lot to put numbers with the problem.

    My wife is a caseworker with the Dept. of Human Services in the food stamps and Medicaid/TennCare portion. On a daily basis, she has illegal aliens coming to her office to get government benefits. So much for the “hardworking immigrants” the left would like to imply are here. They have come to take their turn at the trough. And, sadly, our government makes it extremely easy for them to feed at the taxpayers’ expense.

    Caseworkers are not allowed to question the applicant’s citizenship. But, she can make them provide proof of residency, just like any other applicant. It drives them nuts, when they end up on her case, because so many of the other caseworkers will just give them the handouts, without making them meet the minimum requirments, like residency.

    On top of that, they do not have to meet gualification guidelines that are as stringent as actual legal citizens of the U.S. Illegals only have a fraction of their actual reported income and assets counted against them to see if they qualify for foodstamps and Medicaid, whereas you or I would have 100% of our income and assets counted against us.

    Of course, that doesn’t even count the horrendous amount of money lost providing healthcare for illegals at hospital emergency rooms, which is putting many hospitals in dire financial situations across the country, especially in border towns.

    My wife isn’t allowed to report illegal aliens to Homeland Security and on a daily basis sees where several employers in our area are helping illegals obtain falsified social security numbers but isn’t allowed to do anything to tip off the authorities about it.

  41. #41
    On April 21st, 2008 at 10:26 am, Barry F. said:

    gualification = qualification (not sure how I did that) :lol:

  42. #42
    On April 21st, 2008 at 10:56 am, MtsEdge said:

    Re #23 and #25, I wonder, in which category BHO would place himself?

  43. #43
    On April 21st, 2008 at 11:06 am, expat said:

    #42 That depends on which crowd he is talking to. He will lable himself however he sees it benefiting him. Pretty sad in a way. It just tells me that he cannot get by on merit he needs assistance.

  44. #44
    On April 21st, 2008 at 11:06 am, expat said:

    That should be Label, not lable.

  45. #45
    On April 21st, 2008 at 11:32 am, DesertLover said:

    expat …

    yep … once you see the totals for the numbers it blows all those “hard working immigrant” arguments out of the water or anywhere else you want to blow them out of …

    Barry F …

    I agree … an American out of work and such has a much tougher time getting any kind of assistance … unless they are part of a multi-generational welfare entrenched family such as our favorite big screen HDTV hypocrit in New Orleans …

  46. #46
    On April 21st, 2008 at 11:32 am, fourstringfuror said:

    Pro-Lifelegal immigration for ObamaMcCain? Dude, no. No.

    OT, but appropriate.

  47. #47
    On April 21st, 2008 at 12:31 pm, Teddy Kennedy said:

    Errah, Mr. LGM
    I must agree with Mr. OMSB. You are clueless! I also unfortunately understand that Paypal will not accept my money otherwise I would by you a clue, errah

  48. #48
    On April 21st, 2008 at 12:31 pm, Charly Martel said:

    Aren’t you glad you use Dial? Don’t you wish everybody did?

    Actually I wish the MSM did. I’m sick to death of watching some of the reporters fawning over him and making excuses for him.

    Unfortunately his supporters dismiss all the dirt and grime. It only sticks to him in the eyes of those (like me) who would never have voted for him in the first place.

  49. #49
    On April 21st, 2008 at 12:43 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    ROFL Teddy! Good to see you back.

  50. #50
    On April 21st, 2008 at 1:39 pm, RaisedRight said:

    On April 21st, 2008 at 9:33 am, DesertLover said:

    in the mean time here is a link that everyone should check out regarding the costs of illegal immigrants …

    Costs of Illegal Immigration

    A real eye-opener to the costs …

    There is a Townhall article today regarding “The Economic and Fiscal Impact of Immigration” by Edwin S. Rubenstein.

  51. #51
    On April 21st, 2008 at 1:48 pm, fulldroolcup said:

    The first sentence of the OMSB’s “problems with CO2″ site is pure crap: Paleontologists generally don’t use Carbon 14 dating because the half-life (5,730 years) is waaaaaay too short to be useful in dating geologically “old” objects, AND because fossils generally don’t have a helluva lot of carbon in them anyway, the organic matter having been replaced by minerals. Thus anything older than 50,000 years can’t be dated using C14 analysis.

    Citing the problems of C14 dating in evolutionary studies is thus a straw man of the first order. Pure misdirection.

    (and never mind that the site is virtually an encyclopedia of MIS-information).

    But OK OMSB: tell us exactly what are those funny bones in the ground and how they got there. Dare you. PROVE to us that the bible’s 6,000 year age for the earth is true. What are YOUR scientific methods?

    and yes, lgm is a tool. As usual he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

    But neither do you.

  52. #52
    On April 21st, 2008 at 1:55 pm, Laree said:

    Michelle,

    Obama already has a theme song.

    Living Colour “The Cult of Personality”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ5SVDYBNrY

  53. #53
    On April 21st, 2008 at 2:04 pm, lgm said:

    On-my-soap-box said (#13):

    So, we should just ignore pork spending? Is that not how the deficit grows - we ignore the tax and spend Democrats?

    I’m not in favor of wasteful spending. But McCain said he could balance the budget and cut taxes even more. Asked how, the only thing he could talk about was pork. McCain either is a nut ($20B savings will erase a $200B deficit) or a liar.

    Then (#27)

    I see you like google.

    Carbon 14 problems.

    Googling nuttiness is a good way to find more. For example Bush planned 9/11

  54. #54
    On April 21st, 2008 at 2:30 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    lgm,

    Great example of nuttiness. It is about time you learned to do that.

    Now, try not being nutty for a change.

    The good webmasters at conservapedia.com delete any edit to the contrary. This includes carbon 14 dating, archeology, etc.

    Seems we are not the only ones who think like we do - you’re a nutball.

    P.S. carbon 14 dating

    *Living mollusk shells were carbon dated as being 2300 years old. (Science vol. 141, 1963 p. 634-637)

    *A freshly killed seal was carbon dated as having died 1300 years ago! (Antarctic Journal vol. 6 Sept-Oct. 1971 p. 211)

    *Shells from living snails were carbon dated as being 27,000 years old. (Science Vol. 224, 1984 p. 58-61)

    *“One part of the Vollosovitch mammoth carbon dated at 29,500 years old and another part at 44,000.” (Troy L. Pewe, Quaternary Stratigraphic Nomenclature in Unglaciated Central Alaska, Geological Survey Professional Paper 862)

    *“The two Colorado Creek, AK mammoths had radiocarbon ages of 22,850 +/- 670 and 16,150+/- 230 years respectively.” (Robert M. Thorson and R. Dale Guthrie, “Stratigraphy of the Colorado Creek Mammoth Locality, Alaska,” Quaternary Research, Vol. 37, No. 2, March 1992, pp. 214-228, see also: In the Beginning Walt Brown p. 124)

    *No matter how “useful” it is, though, the radiocarbon method (carbon 14 dating) is still not capable of yielding accurate and reliable results. There are gross discrepancies, the chronology is uneven and relative, and the accepted dates are actually selected dates.

    Lee, Robert E. “Radiocarbon, Ages in Error, Anthropological Journal of Canada, Vol. 19, No. 3, 1981, pp. 9, 29 (Assistant Editor).

    [emphasis mine]

    If you can’t trust “Science”, who can you trust?

    Again, sorry for the long post.

  55. #55
    On April 21st, 2008 at 2:36 pm, latinconservative said:

    Hey lgm(littlegirlyman)…That is funny!!!

  56. #56
    On April 21st, 2008 at 3:09 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

    Come now soap, you expect him actually admit that there are huge flaws in his theories? I say let him spout off about his theories without being able to prove how matter came to be. At least I know who my enemy is that way.

    While on the topic, I’m looking forward to seeing that movie Ben Stein just put out later this week.

  57. #57
    On April 21st, 2008 at 3:33 pm, fulldroolcup said:

    OMSB entirely misses the point: evolution is a process that’s been occurring for nearly 4 BILLION years. C14 dating isn’t useful for anything beyond 50 THOUSAND years — which is why all OMSB’s examples are for “recent” dating. (and of course he threats C14 as the only dating method availbel , which is nonsense).

    q.e.d.

    As for Stein’s movie - yer wasting yer money. Intelligent Design is just warmed over creationism. But OMSB will squirm once he understands that many ID adherents have no problem with earth being 4.5 billion years old.

  58. #58
    On April 21st, 2008 at 3:33 pm, lgm said:

    On-my-soap-box said (#54):

    Everyone makes mistakes. I remember taking my temperature and getting 38.1 degrees. I didn’t write to conservapedia with the news that thermometers don’t work and temperature is the work of the devil. It would be surprising if people didn’t mess up carbon 14 dating from time to time.

  59. #59
    On April 21st, 2008 at 3:44 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

    On April 21st, 2008 at 3:33 pm, lgm said:
    On-my-soap-box said (#54):

    Everyone makes mistakes. I remember taking my temperature and getting 38.1 degrees. I didn’t write to conservapedia with the news that thermometers don’t work and temperature is the work of the devil. It would be surprising if people didn’t mess up carbon 14 dating from time to time.

    And there you have it folks. The scientific results quoted above were “mistakes” (with no science to back up this claim, they just have to be mistakes in order to fit in with lfm’s worldview) and therefore not credible science.

    Wow, thanks for clearing that up for me lgm. /sarc

  60. #60
    On April 21st, 2008 at 3:55 pm, gunslingerpatriot said:

    I saw Expelled on friday and well worth the money for it.

    The funny thing is that some of the points Ben brought out were questions I was asking my Biology profs over the last three years.

    Ben’s ability to connect the dots about Darwinian evolution, euthenasia (sp?m eugenics and Marg Singer (founder of planned parenthood) is consistent with the things I have read over the years.

    As far as ID being “creationism” all over again must have missed what Richard Dawkins said about a designer that evolved and deposited life on this earth and yet denies that a creator popped out and then created life on earth.

    Lots of good points in the movie.

    Thanks Ben for a GREAT flick!

  61. #61
    On April 21st, 2008 at 4:11 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    On April 21st, 2008 at 3:33 pm, lgm said:
    It would be surprising if people didn’t mess up carbon 14 dating from time to time.

    HHHHAHAAAHAHHAHAAAHHAHAAAHAAA :lol:

    No matter how “useful” it is, though, the radiocarbon method (carbon 14 dating) is still not capable of yielding accurate and reliable results. There are gross discrepancies, the chronology is uneven and relative, and the accepted dates are actually selected dates.

    Lee, Robert E. “Radiocarbon, Ages in Error, Anthropological Journal of Canada, Vol. 19, No. 3, 1981, pp. 9, 29 (Assistant Editor).

    Because you missed it the first time.

    from time to time

    This is the whole problem with the radiocarbon method, you might get the results you want “from time to time”. That IS NOT science. Also, if the experts can’t get this right “from time to time”, what does that say about the whole theroy of evolution which has even bigger problems?

    Go back to your fuzzy math.

  62. #62
    On April 21st, 2008 at 4:21 pm, brooklyn red said:

    lgm, 38.1 Celsius is 100.58 Fahrenheit… next time get an American thermometer :)

  63. #63
    On April 21st, 2008 at 4:28 pm, fulldroolcup said:

    You know OMSB, from your non-responsive posts, your flakiness (”Marg Singer?”), and complete misunderstanding of what evolution IS, let alone what the theory of Natural Selection is, you have demonstrated that you and lgm are soulmates.

    Get a room!

  64. #64
    On April 21st, 2008 at 4:51 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    fooldroolcup,

    Did you ever read Darwins works? Even he knew his theory was full of holes. I know what evolution IS. I know what punctuated equilibrium is (a farce to help evolution). I even know what the reproductive system and I am in wonder – nay, awe - how both the male and female of each species can “evolve” at the exact same time and change exactly, in order, to perpetuate each species.

    non-responsive posts

    LOL, good one since your post was soooooo responsive.

  65. #65
    On April 21st, 2008 at 5:03 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    fooldroolcup,

    C14 dating isn’t useful for anything beyond 50 THOUSAND years — which is why all OMSB’s examples are for “recent” dating. (and of course he threats C14 as the only dating method availbel , which is nonsense).

    No, there are 3 other mothods I am aware of:

    uranium-lead, potassium-argon, and rubidium-strontium. That being said, here is what science has to say about these methods as well:

    It is obvious that radiometric methods may not be the reliable dating methods they are often claimed to be. Age estimates on a given geological stratum using different methods are often quite different (sometimes by hundreds of millions of years). There is no absolutely reliable long-term radiological clock

    – William D. Stansfield, The Science of Evolution, New York: Macmillan, 1977, p.84

    I used C14 because it is what your troll buddy was touting as science.

    You should not assume what I do and do not know because, that “is nonsense”.

  66. #66
    On April 21st, 2008 at 5:29 pm, libocrat said:

    Pro life?? This guy says babies are punishment!

  67. #67
    On April 21st, 2008 at 6:32 pm, fulldroolcup said:

    look, soapbox:

    You can’t send us approvingly to a creationist site that claims the earth is only a few thousand years old, and then (incorrectly, I should add) cite a 30-year-old book) telling us how inaccurate other forms of dating geological strata are, “sometimes by hundreds of millions of years”.

    So is the earth hundreds of millions of years old, or not?

    And you still IGNORE the fact that CO2 is virtually useless in the study of evolution, because it’s no good at all after 50K years or so.

    As for lgm being my buddy: let’s just say that I hold him in every bit as much esteem as I do you!

    Dork.

    Over and out.

  68. #68
    On April 21st, 2008 at 6:46 pm, see-dubya said:

    Guys, as fascinating as intelligent design is, it’s not really the topic of this post.

  69. #69
    On April 21st, 2008 at 9:28 pm, Dimsdale said:

    Another factor to consider are the other deleterious effects that illegals have on the U.S.: gasoline (driving prices higher), and, for the benefit of the envirowhackos, the pollution they create in the process; trash and infrastructure costs (schools, hospitals); the likelihood of liberal legislators passing laws that give illegals in-state tuition rates (that they won’t give to out of state U.S. citizens) using up what can be scarce housing in certain areas; taking jobs that, despite popular liberal opinion, many Americas would take (remember the chicken processing plant raids a while ago?) etc. Just look at the trash they throw out on their trails into this country!

    Allegedly doing “the jobs Americans won’t do” doesn’t cover the tab.

    Use Mexico’s (southern) border enforcement techniques!!

  70. #70
    On April 21st, 2008 at 9:29 pm, fulldroolcup said:

    Yeah, we got off-topic.

    But:

    Game
    Set
    Match:

    ME.

    Winner’s score: INFINITY
    Loser’s score: DICK

  71. #71
    On April 21st, 2008 at 11:03 pm, Dimsdale said:

    On April 21st, 2008 at 3:33 pm, lgm said:

    On-my-soap-box said (#54):

    Everyone makes mistakes. I remember taking my temperature and getting 38.1 degrees. I didn’t write to conservapedia with the news that thermometers don’t work and temperature is the work of the devil.

    Did you consider that you may have been using your rectal thermometer in your mouth?

    I can understand that the close proximity of the two could cause confusion…

  72. #72
    On April 21st, 2008 at 11:41 pm, bird said:

    Speaking of the “no-flag-pin smartypants act,” did you catch Geraldo on FOX on Saturday morning, ridiculing flag-pin wearing? He could barely smile wide enough to capture his happiness…

  73. #73
    On April 22nd, 2008 at 7:58 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    On April 21st, 2008 at 6:46 pm, see-dubya said:
    Guys, as fascinating as intelligent design is, it’s not really the topic of this post.

    I apologize.

  74. #74
    On June 8th, 2008 at 7:26 pm, lonewolf said:

    lgm is one of the most prolific and consistently contrary posters on the many topics on this forum.
    The wonder is he/she can tolerate the exposure and criticism.

    He/she is obviously a masochist.
    When I look in on a liberal forum I quickly become so incensed I gotta get out of there..

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