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1. #101
   On April 22nd, 2008 at 5:46 pm, rooster said:

   On April 22nd, 2008 at 5:27 pm, frayed said:

   frayed,

   I believe Coburn has many shades like a chameleon. I believe he is leading a bill to outsource our M4′s (Our Troops Weapons) from where they have been made by Americans in Conneticut to a company in Germany.

   If this turns out to be true, I wouldn’t read a newsletter from Coburn, let alone buy one of his books.

2. #102
   On April 22nd, 2008 at 6:17 pm, corkie said:

   I’m 100% in favor of establishing sound, logic energy policy. I’m also in favor of establishing a sound, logical environmental policy.

   However, I will not engage in these discussions as long as science and engineering are ignored.

   Now, even if we assume that AGW is a fact, no alternative energy plans or conservation plans show any promise.

   This country needs to make a strong push for nuclear power now. The AGW crowd and energy independence crowd should both love this idea.

   The plan should be;

   1. Design two types of plants. The first type should be large. The second type should be small and use fuel recycled from the first type.

   2. Keep the two designs highly uniform. This will keep regulation cheaper and safer.

   3. Assure the nuclear power industry that it will be allowed to continue recycling nuclear fuel. (In other words, assure against another Jimmy Carter type ban.)

   4. Package up the spent recycled fuel into containers and dump them into a desert floor in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. This will have no negative ecological impact at all.

3. #103
   On April 22nd, 2008 at 6:28 pm, John Ansell said:

   On April 22nd, 2008 at 5:43 pm, ScottyDog #100

   I see your point and I was not happy that he sat there with San Fran Nan either. But I don’t think it’s worth throwing him under the bus for it.

   This ad campaign is not only going to be with Newt and Nancy but other Conservatives with other Lefties.

   My main issue this election cycle is stopping the illegal invaders. I compare Newt’s plan on that to Mcinsane’s plan for amnesty and this issue is not worth losing a solid plan to stop the invaders from coming.

   So, basically I don’t have a dog in this election since all 3 are for amnesty. (Also, all three are on board with Gorebal warming) We’re screwed.

4. #104
   On April 22nd, 2008 at 6:33 pm, restlessindependent said:

   Ya, I’m feelin’ green today…from the nausea caused by watching this disgusting propaganda.

5. #105
   On April 22nd, 2008 at 8:17 pm, RoyceB said:

   Considering the poor alternatives we have among the three current Republican and Democrat candidates, I’m moving to the Constitution Party for the presidential vote. Alan Keyes is a much better choice for president than anyone else who is running. If you want to hear his speech on why he has left the Republican party, visit his web site at http://www.alankeyes.com

6. #106
   On April 22nd, 2008 at 9:03 pm, simon77047 said:

   I used to write to my Senator from Missouri begging her to read the true science of climate change, She wrote back and told me the facts were in and there was no sense in arguing about it. She plans to vote to save the farmers this summer with her outrageous global warming BS soon to be a hot topic in our Wonder senate. I’m sure our Wonder president, W, will sign off especially now that Newt is on board.

7. #107
   On April 22nd, 2008 at 9:05 pm, frayed said:

   rooster,

   You might want to read this article at:
   http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/12/army_carbine_dusttest_071217/ to see what Coburn’s concerns are.

   • XM8: 127 stoppages.

   • MK16 SCAR Light: 226 stoppages.

   • 416: 233 stoppages.

   • M4: 882 stoppages.

8. #108
   On April 22nd, 2008 at 9:26 pm, rooster said:

   frayed,
   There were 2 different results in the article. Who commissioned the tests?

   If the weapon is not up to snuff, it should be modified and fixed, not outsourced to another country. We’ve outsourced everything and it needs to stop.

9. #109
   On April 22nd, 2008 at 11:21 pm, Newts Wally said:

   Newt Blog from Newt.Org (No – I’m not saying I agree with the rational thought here – but here it is for your viewing pleasure.)

   “Many of you have written to me to ask why I recently taped an advertisement with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi for The Alliance for Climate Protection, a group founded by former Vice President Al Gore.

   I completely understand why many of you would have questions about this, so I want to take this opportunity to explain my reasons. First of all, I want to be clear: I don’t think that we have conclusive proof of global warming. And I don’t think we have conclusive proof that humans are at the center of it.

   But here’s what we do know. There is an important debate going on right now over the right energy policy, the right environmental policy, and making sure we do the right things for our future and the future of our children and grandchildren. Conservatives are missing from this debate, and I think that’s a mistake. When it comes to preserving our environment for future generations, we can’t have a slogan of “Just yell no!”

   I have a different view. I think it’s important to be on the stage, to engage in the debate, and to communicate our position clearly. There is a big difference between left-wing environmentalism that wants higher taxes, bigger government., more bureaucracy, more regulation, more red tape, and more litigation and a Green Conservatism that wants to use science, technology, innovation, entrepreneurs, and prizes to find a way to creatively invent the kind of environmental future we all want to live in. Unless we start making the case for the latter, we’re going to get the former. That’s why I took part in the ad.

   Thank you for reading and visiting Newt.org”

   Newt

   ***************************************
   My Response Directly to Newt So He Can Read It ….

   “I hear ‘ya brother. I’m concerned on two fronts : A.) Nancy Pelosi – although you may need to work with her in the future – America does NOT – and her effectiveness & ratings are lower than well water – by you appearing with her – her ratings jumped 10 -15 points.

   B.) Now everytime a Conservative tells Al, Nancy or the other tree huggers of a by-gone era that could care less about our Quality of American Life – to “Pound Salt” on Man Made Global Warming – they (The Enemy) are going to remind us that you sat on the couch with Nancy “in agreement”. Put RINO-Democrat McCain on the Couch.

   Democrat-Socialist always screw Conservatives in the end. Now they have the Obama Bus as another weapon.

   Not that it counts for much but – I’ll stand with ‘ya on the side of Technology, math, science, China is the Enemy of Earth too, “Ace” this soy-corn-et al going to inefficient biofuels and put OUR FOOD back on the dinner table and let’s drill like their is no tomorrow (because there isn’t) in ANWR, the Gulf etc to BUY US TIME TO CONVERT once and for all. For this, I’m with ya – no couch time necessary “

10. #110
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 3:21 am, Ombre Rose said:

    How can anyone who has watched Newt be shocked?

    The time I saw him laughing uproariously at Sean Hannity, about 6 m onths before SHAMNESTY was pushed so hard last year – Fall of 2006 – Newt was siding completely with Alan Colmes, deriding Hannity for NOT BEING PRAGMATIC about the BORDER and ILLEGAL ALIENS and a PATHWAY TO CITIZENSHIP.

    I’ve never seen Newt more RELAXED and CONTENTED than when he was laughing at Sean’s total frustration as Sean felt he was watching Newt’s political career finish flushing down the “plumbing fixtures”.

    I was shockeed then – but it seems that was because *I focused too much on the Clinton’s during the Impeachment process and not enough on certain key GOP members like Newt and Fred Thompson, etc.

    McCain was easy back then – he always stuck out like a sore thumb.

    I think Newt is campaigning to McCain for VEEP!

    After all, McCain is the NEW “MOST CONSERVATIVE”.

11. #111
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 4:12 am, frayed said:

    rooster,

    I think we got off topic from this thread. The point I was trying to make was that Coburn revealed a lot about the GOP leadership, including Newt. To my knowledge none of that was challenged by any of those he wrote about. I don’t think he is trying to outsource our arms manufacturing but is more concerned with the safety of the ones using those weapons in a life or death situation. It appears they have tried to get the manufacturer to improve reliability and ease of maintenance. He says he was approached by soldiers with complaints about it.

    I would think the Army commissioned it because the article cited states: “Weapons officials at the Army Test and Evaluation Command at Aberdeen Proving Ground, Md., exposed Colt Defense LLC’s M4, along with the Heckler & Koch XM8, FNH USA’s Special Operations Forces Combat Assault Rifle and the H&K 416 to sandstorm conditions from late September to late November, firing 6,000 rounds through each test weapon.”

12. #112
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 7:26 am, rooster said:

    frayed,
    It is off topic a little but, the more global warming regs pushed, the more jobs leave the USA. Hechler & Koch is the german firm I believe is the one that could get our M4 contract? I still say it is just as wrong as giving the air tanker deal to France, whose company has major, major backing and investment from Putin.

13. #113
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 8:27 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    Goodbye Newt; don’t let the door hit you on the way out. You may have had some good ideas in the past but this clearly indicates that you are easy to dupe.

14. #114
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 8:32 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    Ombre Rose said:

    … I think Newt is campaigning to McCain for VEEP!

    After all, McCain is the NEW “MOST CONSERVATIVE”.

    Yikes! Watch how fast I don’t show up at the polls this November to show these country club republicans what Reaganism actually means to me.

15. #115
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 10:35 am, Mister P said:

    Alan Keyes is a much better choice for president than anyone else who is running

    Thanks to Keyes, Obama became senator of Illinois.

16. #116
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 11:17 am, Mr.J said:

    Newt said, “I have a different view. I think it’s important to be on the stage, to engage in the debate, and to communicate our position clearly.”

    How was any of that accomplished in the ad? Other than being “on stage” … which I would argue is counterproductive to your message when the stage is shared with the likes of Pelosi.

17. #117
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 11:19 am, secondsight said:

    Back to GE stock. Buy some. And maybe some Ford and GM. Who knows? Maybe they’ll score a new battery car and tax the be-jesus out of everyone that hasn’t bought their new toy. Nancy would love to do that.

    There’s nothing like the force of law to make companies profitable.

    Frankly, having these two turnips together in the same patch of the garden is scary. All sorts of mischief here.

18. #118
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 12:08 pm, Mister P said:

    Sunspot activity has not resumed up after hitting an 11-year low in March last year, raising fears that — far from warming — the globe is about to return to an Ice Age, says an Australian-American scientist.

    Physicist Phil Chapman, the first native-born Australian to become an astronaut with NASA [he became an American citizen to join up, though he never went into space], said pictures from the U.S. Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) showed no spots on the sun.

    He said the world cooled quickly between January last year and January this year, by about 0.7 degrees Centigrade.

    For the Global Warming crowd. I know here in the midwest we had the coldest winter on record.

19. #119
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 1:17 pm, av8tr said:

    Please, Newt, Just. Shut. Up.

    Go away. It’s very painful for the rest of us to see you kiss up to the left. You remind me of Eddie Haskell. Actually, I liked Eddie better. He was funny. And fictional.

    Climate change? Newt – wrap your brain around this. They’re called “seasons.” But that just doesn’t have a ring to it – Stop Seasons? Do your part to prevent seasons? Be a season-stopper?

20. #120
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:59 pm, Trollman said:

    Rumor* has it that McCain and Hillary are going to star in the next ad, and end the commercial with a hug.

    *Rumor = completely made up, but sadly all too believable.

21. #121
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 3:33 pm, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    Mister P said:
    

    Thanks to Keyes, Obama became senator of Illinois.

    Now hold on there.. WHERE would Obama be if not for a single Jerry Brown appointed LA Judge who thinks people’s SEALED divorce papers, papers that almost always include totally unsubstantiated mud-slinging accusations from one spouse against another, – deserve to be on the front page of the Chicago Tribune because the public really ought to be able learn what could very well be outright LIES from one spouse about the other?

    I’ll tell you where … NOWHERE!

    Don’t hang Allan Keyes – hang the useful idiots that subvert our privacy laws and ANY sense of morality in our country.

22. #122
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 4:33 pm, Mister P said:

    I assume you are talking about the Ryans and their swinging escapades, that resulted in Ryan dropping out of the election and Keyes coming in.

    Then of course Keyes ran such a poor campaign, even the conservative downstate republicans voted for Obama.

23. #123
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 5:15 pm, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    So maybe Jack fondled his WIFE in public; big whoop – that compared to the outrage liberals have about what goes on in parades in San Francisco… not.

    There was no trial, there was no chance for rebuttal – only the accusation. It may have never happened at all and we’ll never know. John Bolton got borked; Jack Ryan got “borged”. Like Rush says, (sort of), with liberals it NEVER has anything to do with the facts – only the seriousness of the charge.

    It’s not much different than the classic, “How long has it been since you stopped beating your wife?”

24. #124
    On April 28th, 2008 at 9:28 am, kurthanson said:

    I do believe “climate change” pod people are slowly taking over. I don’t think I’ll be able to fall asleep again…

25. #125
    On April 28th, 2008 at 9:30 am, kurthanson said:

    My home town of Anchorage, Alaska, just saw some of its heaviest snowfall ever recorded in a single day. Yup, climate change is here!