ACLU should just drop the “A”

By Michelle Malkin  •  April 23, 2008 01:59 PM

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Seriously, why do they even bother with the “American” part of “American Civil Liberties Union” anymore? (Hat tip – Lonewacko)

From the ACLU-San Diego’s latest press release announcing its partnership with the Mexican government:

In a historic agreement to pursue joint strategies to protect the human rights of migrants moving across the Mexico-United States border, the ACLU of San Diego & Imperial Counties and the Comisión Nacional de Derechos Humanos today signed a document declaring common goals and principles to address the serious human rights issues.

The Memorandum of Agreement between the two organizations charges the parties jointly to explore legal actions to challenge Operation Gatekeeper and other programs that have contributed to migrant deaths, and to educate a transnational audience about the issue of human rights tragedies at the border. More than $30 billion dollars have been spent on Gatekeeper since its inception, but the program has done little to prevent illegal entries—it has simply shifted them to the mountains and deserts east of San Diego, where migrants face much harsher conditions in remote, environmentally hostile areas.

The agreement was developed in reaction to the continually mounting death toll of now more than 5,000 migrants along the border, as well as the challenge of advocating on these issues effectively from just one side of the border. With respect to abuses by federal law enforcement agencies, for example, U.S. federal agencies have acted with immunity and a complete lack of transparency.

Kevin Keenan, Executive Director of the ACLU-San Diego and Dr. José Luis Soberanes, President of the Comisión, signed the agreement at the “Justice in Mexico: Evaluating National and Local Strategies” conference at the Joan Kroc Institute for Peace & Justice, University of San Diego.

“Through this collaboration we hope to build bridges of understanding and justice, and tear down walls of prejudice and hate,” said Dr. Soberanes. “It is intolerable that our two civilized nations have allowed so many deaths of migrants along the border since the adoption of Operation Gatekeeper,” said Keenan. “By working together with Mexico’s Human Rights Commission, we will hold our governments to account in ways that we could not do alone.” David Shirk, Director of the Trans-Border Institute that hosted the conference, said, “We are pleased to serve as the backdrop for the signing of this historic agreement, and hope that this partnership will lead to a reversal of the tragic trends that have plagued our two nations in recent years.”

The agreement calls for the organizations to host an invitation-only conference of experts in June to focus on bi-national advocacy strategies for attacking inhumane policies affecting migrants, especially deaths from border crossings; to meet again following the U.S. elections in November to update its plans; to cooperate on other lawsuits, advocacy efforts, and educational campaigns on a case-by-case basis; and to seek funding for these efforts in their respective countries. The ACLU of San Diego is not receiving funding from any Mexican source for its work.

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  1. #297989
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:03 pm, pgtips said:

    It reminds me of this. It really makes you wonder, whose “human rights” they’re there to protect. Both of these stories make me sick.

  2. #297997
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:06 pm, RightWing said:

    WTF? Unfortunately this will continue until our next 9/11…

  3. #297998
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:06 pm, jrlingreenbay said:

    “It is intolerable that our two civilized nations have allowed so many deaths of migrants along the border since the adoption of Operation Gatekeeper,”

    Since when has Mexico done anything about the illegal migration except hand out maps?

    Crapweasels

  4. #297999
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:06 pm, Papa Louie said:

    ACLU:
    Aztlan Civil Liberties Union!

  5. #298002
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:08 pm, tre said:

    American
    Communist
    Lawyers
    Union

    Anti
    Christian
    Lawyers
    Union

    The founder of the ACLU was a card-carrying member of the Communist Party. His stated goal was to advance Communism here in the US.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Nash_Baldwin

  6. #298003
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:09 pm, ACHefty said:

    MCLU: Mexican Civil Liberties Union
    MELU: Muslim Extremist Liberties Union
    AGLU: American Government Liberties Union

  7. #298004
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:09 pm, purple1 said:

    Sounds like we are supposed to roll out the red carpet for these poor folks. AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH! They fill up our hospital beds, take our jobs, and take our social security dollars!!! Seems like every group has special “rights” except the actual hard-working citizens of America. Which is the group that is paying so many taxes for these other groups “rights”. What happens when the middle class runs out of money? Will they go back home?

  8. #298005
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:09 pm, cpodug said:

    So, as a heterosexual white male, I suppose it’s out of the question to ask for help from the ACLU if I am attacked by an Illegal alien and have my civil rights violated?

  9. #298008
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:10 pm, John Ansell said:

    A vote for McInsane is a vote for Amnesty. American Criminal Liberty Union is anti American.

  10. #298009
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:11 pm, rooster said:

    I think I’m gonna be sick.

  11. #298010
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:11 pm, John Ansell said:

    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:06 pm, Papa Louie said:
    ACLU:
    Aztlan Civil Liberties Union!

    ROTFLMAO, wait….it’s true (sigh)

  12. #298011
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:12 pm, purple1 said:

    Dear cpodug….

    As my husband likes to say, straight white men have no rights and no voice because they apparently are the cause of all these woes. Sickening!

  13. #298012
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:12 pm, jrlingreenbay said:

    “A vote for McInsane is a vote for Amnesty.”

    And the alternatives? Do you honestly think the Obama & Hillary would be BETTER on this issue?

  14. #298015
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:13 pm, melinda said:

    The whole point of Operation Gatekeeper is to keep illegal immigrants out. If they have to go through harsher terrain- that’s all a part of the plan. Harsher terrain = fewer attempts at entry into our country illegally.
    If they died it’s their own faults.
    Try to come to America legally… we’ll even give you flash cards to help you cheat pass the naturalization test!

    I don’t see the U.S. having this problem at the Canadian border.
    The illegal Mexican’s need to know and understand that this is OUR land.

  15. #298019
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:16 pm, meatpieandtatters said:

    Fundamentally
    Un-
    American
    Civil
    Liberties
    Union

  16. #298020
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:18 pm, tmkeith said:

    Alien
    Civil
    Liberties
    Union

  17. #298022
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:19 pm, Blind_Mule said:

    All
    Communist
    Liars
    Union

  18. #298025
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:21 pm, undrseige247 said:

    Unfortunately this will continue until our next 9/11…

    Touché pal.

  19. #298029
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:22 pm, Boomer said:

    This announcement of supporting the illegal invasion by looking after the civil rights of the very illegal invaders that damage our countries ecosytem and injure or kill our citizens should get them on the radar screen at DOJ for Treason and Sedition (not holding my breath on this one). Of course anyone with a brain knows the ACLU only looks out for the interest of those that would hurt this nation and all it stands for.

    I know for a fact this treasonous den of jackals will not be going after the coyotes that abuse them on their invasion of our country. I believe it has something to do with professional courtesy. But seriously it is time to take away any tax exempt status this vile organization earns. What do you call 2,000 ACLU lawyers at the bottom of the sea? A good start! ;)

    Thanks for the hump day blood boiler Michelle!

  20. #298031
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:24 pm, Blind_Mule said:
  21. #298032
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:24 pm, J S Ragman said:

    “and to educate a transnational audience about the issue of human rights tragedies at the border”

    1. It’s hot.
    2. It’s dry.
    3. Your own countrymen will rob, rape, and kill you on the way.
    4. Your own police will not protect you, in fact, they’re taking money from the people who will rob, rape, and kill you.
    5. If you arrive in el Norte, you are already breaking the law.

    Did I leave anything out?

    It reminds me of the bumper stickers I saw when I was first stationed in San Diego in 1976, “Welcome to California, Now Go Home.”

  22. #298034
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:24 pm, undrseige247 said:

    ACLU: Anesthetized Crooks & Losers Union

    Lol.

  23. #298038
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:26 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    A Representative Republic! Had a nice ring to it, didn’t it? My reps don’t represent me, or anybody I know that grew up with me. I’m more scared now than way back in grade school when they were teaching us Nuke “Duck and cover” drills. As part of the disappearing middle class, I will make sure I turn the lights out when I leave.

  24. #298039
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:26 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Blind Mule #20, you’re on a roll.

  25. #298041
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:27 pm, The Whole Bird said:

    5000 enemies have died while trying to invade our borders undetected?

    Good!

    We need to have a national celebration when we hit 10000!

  26. #298042
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:27 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    American?

    As some have posted here before (lgm comes to mind) there is no America. So, yes, dropping “American” would be appropriate.

  27. #298044
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:29 pm, ArmywifeArmymom said:

    Does that mean that they are going to advocate for the human rights of innocent Americans who are killed by illegal aliens?

    Ok, stop rolling on the floor laughing at me. It was a facetious question.

  28. #298045
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:31 pm, RaisedRight said:

    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:16 pm, meatpieandtatters said:
    Fundamentally
    Un-
    American
    Civil
    Liberties
    Union

    Yep, there already is a big ol’ FU to America in the ACLU, they might as well add those initials to the name.

  29. #298049
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:35 pm, bananny said:

    Oh, jeez, pray for us here in San Diego County. I heard just a bit of this last nite on Rodger Hedgecock’s show while I was driving home from work. This is manna from heaven for dual-citizenship Duncan Hunter-hater Enrique Morones (who directly blames Mr. Hunter for illegals dying in the desert “because of the fence”) who must think he’s died and gone to heaven.

    God, it’s gonna be a long summer…

  30. #298051
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:36 pm, libocrat said:

    Note to John Ansell…..
    Both Rodham and Jesus Obama WANT THEM HERE.
    They’re not lax in enforcement like McCain has been, they WANT these Mexigrants for votes and unions. Quite literally.

  31. #298052
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:37 pm, melinda said:

    I’m telling you guys… DHS needs to invest in Illegal Immigrant BUG-ZAPPERS. If an illegal gets within 12 inches of the border, they get a warning zap… if they get within 6 inchez of the border- ZZZZZZZZAAAAAAAAPPPPPP!!!

    Mexican Crispy Critter anyone?

  32. #298054
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:41 pm, Seabecker said:

    Anti Civil Liberties Union

  33. #298055
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:42 pm, melinda said:

    THE CURE FOR THE BORDER FENCE!!! Click Below!! :)

    http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/9373/bugzapperes5.jpg

  34. #298056
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:43 pm, Mark Jaquith said:

    The ACLU frustrates me. Much of what they do is commendable, but they miss the mark on a lot of stuff. I really wish there was an alternative — a civil liberties advocacy group that valued 2nd Amendment and property rights and didn’t go around defending people against private sector discrimination or forming partnerships with other nations etc. Anyone know if that exists?

  35. #298057
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:43 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    A-nti
    C-hristian
    L-iberal
    U-nion

  36. #298058
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:44 pm, bananny said:

    Melinda,

    Zappers? LMAO! Someone could make a fortune!

  37. #298059
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:46 pm, mchristian said:

    where migrants face much harsher conditions in remote, environmentally hostile areas.

    Kind of makes them sound like Mongols following the herds instead of willful lawbreakers.

    With respect to abuses by federal law enforcement agencies, for example, U.S. federal agencies have acted with immunity and a complete lack of transparency.

    Shall we ask border agents Ramos and Compean their opinions about this?

  38. #298060
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:47 pm, melinda said:

    Bananny,
    I seriously think it would work!
    Can you imagine, “Don’t tase me ese’! “

    *zap!*

  39. #298061
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:47 pm, MNUSMCDavid said:

    A A**es
    C Crushing
    L Liberty
    U Unconscionably

    Best I could do, I’m getting my Marine Corps anger back and I’m liking it…..

  40. #298064
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:49 pm, Trunk Monkey said:

    Very sad this can even happen with what we are facing here in the near future.

  41. #298074
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:57 pm, flmom said:

    How about CLUless

  42. #298076
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:58 pm, spo-con said:

    No, they don’t have to remove American from the title, just put ‘anti”in front of it. That would be far more accurate.

  43. #298080
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 3:01 pm, lgm said:

    Operation Gatekeeper is “credited” with causing over 400 deaths. Some dumb Christians might consider that a drawback, as I do. I admire an organization, even the ACLU, that acts to prevent needless death. The punishment for illegal border crossing should not be death any more than it is the punishment for burglary or perjury.

    The ACLU has a better idea of basic American values than MM in this case. Don’t kill people for minor crimes.

  44. #298090
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 3:06 pm, flyovercountry said:

    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:06 pm, RightWing said:
    WTF? Unfortunately this will continue until our next 9/11…

    9/11? What’s that…never happened…/sarc off

  45. #298093
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 3:06 pm, mattm said:

    One of m Professors is a ACLU supporter and worked for them for several years. Shocking, I know (sarc) One day near the end of class he began to ramble on about how important “our civil liberties are and how we must support orgs like AI and the ACLU to protect them from the Bush Government” I challenged him about the founding of said ACLU and the goals of it’s founder and some other cases it got involved in. He tried to answer, started whining about how people spread lies about good organizations and told everyone to leave. I wonder if I will pass?

  46. #298096
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 3:07 pm, MNUSMCDavid said:

    They are not being “killed”. They put this on themselves! They suffer the consequences of their actions. Life is unfair, too bad.

  47. #298105
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 3:13 pm, JosephAD said:

    Treason!

  48. #298107
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 3:14 pm, RedDog said:

    …focus on bi-national advocacy strategies for attacking inhumane policies affecting migrants, especially deaths from border crossings…

    Here’s how you avoid dying while crossing the border: stay home and find a job, or petition your own government for a paycheck.

  49. #298108
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 3:15 pm, walterc said:

    The ACLU of San Diego is not receiving funding from any Mexican source for its work.

    That’s because all of their funding will come from lawsuits funded by the American taxpayer.

    Why are these people not being charged with conspiracy to violate the law? Well then again, we don’t enforce the immigration laws any way. If we did, there would be no reason for them to have this meeting.

  50. #298110
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 3:15 pm, TXRose said:

    It’s time for conservative lawyers that love our country to create something to
    counteract the ACLU because they will never get better, only worse. They are
    not going to quit until this country is unrecognizable as the United States of
    America.

  51. #298113
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 3:17 pm, Ogre said:

    The ACLU hasn’t served all Americans since I can remember. This is not really news, if you think about it.

  52. #298114
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 3:17 pm, flmom said:

    lgm

    Operation Gatekeeper has not”caused” any deaths, the unfortunate victims chose to cross illegally, and chose to take risks that didn’t work out so well for them. By the way, I believe it was Bill Clinton and Janet Reno who were instrumental in Operation Gatekeeper.

  53. #298115
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 3:18 pm, Buckaroo said:

    migrants moving across the Mexico-United States border,”

    aw, look at the cute lil’ word-twisting right in the first sentence!

    /that’s where i pretty much stopped paying attention to it
    //as if they are the joad family or sumtin’ …

  54. #298117
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 3:19 pm, Buckaroo said:

    TXRose,

    The ACLJ has been doing this thankless job for about 20 years now …

  55. #298120
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 3:21 pm, dostrick said:

    When people ask me what the ACLU is, I just tell them “It’s 3 lies in four words.” They almost never get it.

  56. #298122
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 3:22 pm, Roman Con said:

    Solution:

    Step 1: Install high-output sprinklers along the border.

    Step 2: Charge sprinklers with a mixture of BBQ sauce, A-1 and “essence of bacon,” and activate sprinklers.

    Step 3: Release big, mean stray dogs along border.

    Step 4: Enjoy a more secure America.

  57. #298123
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 3:23 pm, Hexadecimal said:

    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:06 pm, RightWing said:
    WTF? Unfortunately this will continue until our next 9/11…

    Correction. This will continue even after (God forbid) out next 9/11. The ACLU has never, and will never care about the freedom and safety of this nation.

  58. #298129
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 3:26 pm, bit_boy said:

    Perhaps the ACLU is now a foreign agent and subject to FARA.

    The Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) was enacted in 1938. FARA is a disclosure statute that requires persons acting as agents of foreign principals in a political or quasi-political capacity to make periodic public disclosure of their relationship with the foreign principal, as well as activities, receipts and disbursements in support of those activities. Disclosure of the required information facilitates evaluation by the government and the American people of the statements and activities of such persons in light of their function as foreign agents. The FARA Registration Unit of the Counterespionage Section (CES) in the National Security Division (NSD) is responsible for the administration and enforcement of the Act.

    As a foreign agent of Mexico I belive it would be illegal for the ACLU to contend any legal matters not directly related to Mexico…

  59. #298131
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 3:27 pm, nyc123me said:

    Why are the ACLU not confined in Guantanamo Bay?

  60. #298135
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 3:30 pm, Hexadecimal said:

    On April 23rd, 2008 at 3:01 pm, lgm said:
    Operation Gatekeeper is “credited” with causing over 400 deaths. Some dumb Christians might consider that a drawback, as I do. I admire an organization, even the ACLU, that acts to prevent needless death. The punishment for illegal border crossing should not be death any more than it is the punishment for burglary or perjury.

    The ACLU has a better idea of basic American values than MM in this case. Don’t kill people for minor crimes.

    Operation: Gatekeeper hasn’t killed 400 people. 400 people took the risks attendant to breaking the law (i.e. dealing with coyotes and other disreputable characters, or crossing treacherous terrain) with fatal consequences. In essence, they are largely responsible for their own demise. It’s tragic, but it’s not our fault.

  61. #298136
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 3:31 pm, ArmoredCAV said:

    LGM says

    I admire an organization, even the ACLU, that acts to prevent needless death.

    Helloo, I can think of an even better way to “prevent” these “needless deaths.” Don’t come across the border. Too easy. Just like preventing AIDS… You take the risks, knowing full well what the outcome is. Maybe a trail littered with Mexican bones will be the deterrent that the US Government’s policies is not.

  62. #298140
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 3:33 pm, cpodug said:

    Absolutely, hands down the most asinine, triple-snort-worthy comment of the day:

    The ACLU has a better idea of basic American values than MM in this case.

  63. #298142
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 3:35 pm, right4life said:

    And the alternatives? Do you honestly think the Obama & Hillary would be BETTER on this issue?

    the alternative is hillary or obama, with a republican congress to block them.

    Juan would go along with a democratic congress, and a republican congress would feel obligated to go along with amnesty juan.

  64. #298145
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 3:35 pm, ArmoredCAV said:

    All
    Criminals
    Left
    Unrepentant

    All
    Crybaby
    Leftists
    Unresponsible (a stretch, I know)

    All
    Christians
    Live
    Underamicroscope

  65. #298147
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 3:36 pm, Buckaroo said:

    “acts to prevent needless death”

    sooo, they’re pro-life then, right?

    /too fricking easy …

  66. #298148
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 3:37 pm, Buckaroo said:

    “JSM would go along with a democratic congress, and a republican congress would feel obligated to go along with amnesty juan”

    pls. back up EITHER wild assertion with anything resembling a fact …

  67. #298150
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 3:37 pm, right4life said:

    The punishment for illegal border crossing should not be death any more than it is the punishment for burglary or perjury

    so if somebody breaks in your house, you shouldn’t be allowed to shoot them to protect yourself??

  68. #298153
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 3:40 pm, dakine said:

    melinda, hilarious. There’s nothing funnier than torturing and killing people. “Mexican crispy critters”? Holy cow, you should take your act on the road.

    I’m with Mark Jaquith. The ACLU does some good things, but can be extremely frustrating even to us social libertarian types. My guess is that most on this board who express the most vitriol toward the ACLU do so from a hard Christian right point of view.

  69. #298154
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 3:41 pm, RaisedRight said:

    On April 23rd, 2008 at 3:01 pm, lgm said:
    Operation Gatekeeper is “credited” with causing over 400 deaths. Some dumb Christians might consider that a drawback, as I do. I admire an organization, even the ACLU, that acts to prevent needless death.

    What?!? Others have addressed this, so I won’t go into the fact that these people are engaging in risky behavior that has a known possible consequence of death. It’s still sad, but it is not as though they are being executed, which is how you make it sound.

    I do want to point out that even without “Operation Gatekeeper” there is a significant risk to illegally sneaking across the border. The dessert, the smugglers, etc… there are many factors. Given this, I would argue that the actions of the ACLU are very irresponsible. They are, in essence, lobbying for more accessibility for border-jumpers which means encouraging more people to engage in this risky behavior.

    Prevention of needless death would actually result from stopping people before they even think of illegally entering this country. It would prevent the needless deaths of illegal aliens and the needless deaths of victims of illegal aliens in the U.S.

  70. #298155
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 3:41 pm, Buckaroo said:

    r4l

    i’m pretty sure we can figger out where lgm stands on that one …

    /tho, in a shred of decency, mebbe it does actually agree that libby shouldn’t get the death penalty for his perjury …

  71. #298162
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 3:47 pm, HandsOffMyPaycheckCommie said:

    On April 23rd, 2008 at 3:01 pm, lgm said:
    Operation Gatekeeper is “credited” with causing over 400 deaths.

    It is the Mexican government that should be credited with the death of every single intruder crossing the border. After all, it is their failure to run their own country that sends them here in the first place.

    I certainly shouldn’t be considered responsible if some common criminal breaking into my home is taken down by my trained guard dogs.

  72. #298163
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 3:47 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    On April 23rd, 2008 at 3:40 pm, dakine said: My guess is that most on this board who express the most vitriol toward the ACLU do so from a hard Christian right point of view.

    Wrong again. It upsets dumb Christians too.

    On April 23rd, 2008 at 3:01 pm, lgm said:
    …Some dumb Christians might consider that a drawback, as I do.

    Love the blanket coverage on the people who have a problem with the ACLU. Nice!

  73. #298170
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 3:51 pm, cpodug said:

    dakine, how about those of us that believe the VICTIM has some rights, not just the perpetrator? Or doesn’t the victim have any standing in your court of law?

  74. #298184
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 4:02 pm, Socratease said:

    I’ll take the ACLU at their word when they start defending Guatemalan immigrants to Mexico from that nation’s barbaric treatment.

    May their funding (and other vital parts) whither and fall off.

  75. #298194
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 4:11 pm, GJCorby said:

    Since the Mexican government feels it unfair to have illeagal border crossers to face the hazards of a mountainous desert crossing, we should take down what we built of a border fence, and break out the land mines.

  76. #298204
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 4:20 pm, cpodug said:

    ACLU’s new motto: “Taking liberties with Americans since 1920″

  77. #298206
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 4:20 pm, MNUSMCDavid said:

    Heh yep Claymores every 30 feet………. hidden trip wires but signs saying “one more step and Boom”.

  78. #298214
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 4:25 pm, NJRepublican said:

    I know this is slightly off topic, but I’m attending a conference in Mexico so I thought I’d check out Fodors online. Of course we know from previous posts that Mexico is much tougher on visitors/immigrants, but this still aggravates me:

    However, if at all possible, bring a passport; U.S. citizens have encountered problems once in Mexico without a passport.

    A tourist card is required for all visitors to Mexico. If you’re arriving by plane from the United States or Canada, the standard tourist card will be given to you on the plane. They’re also available through travel agents and Mexican consulates, and at the border if you’re entering by land. You’re given a portion of the form. Be sure to keep track of your tourist card documentation throughout your trip: you will need it when you depart. You’ll be asked to hand it, your ticket, and your passport to airline representatives at the gate when boarding for departure. Visitors from other countries require a visa.

    A tourist card costs about $20 …

    Tourist cards and visas are valid from 30 to 180 days, at the discretion of the immigration officer at your point of entry (90 days for Australians). Americans, Canadians, New Zealanders, and the British may request up to 180 days for a tourist card or visa extension; Australians are allowed up to 90 days. The extension fee is about $20, and the process can easily take up an entire day. There’s no guarantee that you’ll get the extension you’re requesting. If you’re planning an extended stay, plead with the immigration official for the maximum allowed days at the time of entry. It will save you time and money later.

  79. #298216
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 4:28 pm, M0mm1e0f2G1rls said:

    “Through this collaboration we hope to build bridges of understanding and justice, and tear down walls of prejudice and hate,” said Dr. Soberanes.

    WTF! I’m sick of these people saying that we are prejudice and hate the mexican race just because we are fighting for our American rights!

  80. #298222
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 4:33 pm, Surveyor said:

    My guess is that most on this board who express the most vitriol toward the ACLU do so from a hard Christian right point of view.

    Well, I’m not so sure about that. I express my vitriol for the ACLU from the point of view of the “Save America Before Its Too Late” camp…..or S.A.B.I.T.L. for short.

  81. #298224
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 4:33 pm, shooter said:

    We need to build and then file a class action suit against these communists.
    They have to be harming thousands of Americans. ( the A’s they forgot)

  82. #298236
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 4:44 pm, JHSII said:

    lgm posted:

    I admire an organization, even the ACLU, that acts to prevent needless death.

    The organizations that act to prevent needless deaths are the US Air Force, US Army, US Navy, and US Marines. They do this by killing the enemy that causes needless deaths.

    The aclu, on the other hand, does their “best” work trying to get murderers out of jail on technicalities so that they can murder again.

    ACLU = Aztlan Criminal Liberties Union

  83. #298247
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 4:54 pm, memyselfandi said:

    yeah, right. United States – bad. Mexico – good. WTH?

  84. #298262
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 5:00 pm, DesertLover said:

    Alien
    Crossing
    Labor
    Utilizers

    Actively
    Circumventing
    Laws
    Usefulness

  85. #298275
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 5:06 pm, bbueno said:

    Notice that this conference took place at the Joan Ktoc Institute for Peace & Justice.
    She is the widow of the founder of McDonald’s and gives a large amount of money to lefty causes, she also gave a multi-million contribution to National Public Radio which was the most it had ever received from a private citizen. It never ceases to amaze me how much of the wealth created by capitalism winds up in some many left-wing foundations.

  86. #298283
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 5:11 pm, KaosKlerik said:

    On April 23rd, 2008 at 2:24 pm, J S Ragman said:
    It reminds me of the bumper stickers I saw when I was first stationed in San Diego in 1976, “Welcome to California, Now Go Home.”

    I saw one once that said “Will the last American out of Miami please bring the flag?”

  87. #298301
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 5:23 pm, KaosKlerik said:

    In my own beloved Virginia Charles Rust-Tierney helped ensure that you could view unfiltered porn on public library computers.

    Then this former president and then current board member of the state ACLU went on to get busted for subscribing to MULTIPLE child pornography sites over the years (including while VA ACLU president) and downloaded video and pictures to CDs. Videos of prepubescent girls being raped and bound with rope, “seen and heard crying“.

    Last September he plead guilty to a SINGLE count of receiving child pornography and got seven years.

  88. #298317
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 5:36 pm, BrianNY said:

    #43 lgm said:

    Operation Gatekeeper is “credited” with causing over 400 deaths.

    I would have thought that these “400 deaths” were caused by trying to illegally enter another country by crossing a 120+ degree desert with limited water?

    I guess it depends who the official coroner is.

  89. #298422
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 6:36 pm, DBNinKY said:

    On April 23rd, 2008 at 3:01 pm, lgm said:

    Operation Gatekeeper is “credited” with causing over 400 deaths.

    The onus and undeniable blame for those deaths lie entirely upon the government of Mexico for encouraging the wholesale emigration of their citizenry to the U.S. – without invitation.

    I admire an organization, even the ACLU, that acts to prevent needless death.

    Short of the ACLU physically manning watering stations along the border, wouldn’t their time be better spent lobbying the U.S. government to not only build the border fence, but to also bring pressure on the Mexican government to dissuade its people from crossing the border illegally?

    The ACLU has a better idea of basic American values than MM in this case. Don’t kill people for minor crimes.

    Huh?

  90. #298452
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 6:57 pm, a crapweasel said:

    I see this as a good thing. From here on out anyone who has been maimed, has lost a family member, been sexually assaulted etc. by an illegal alien from Mexico should have class action lawsuits against Mexico AND the ACLU. Hopefully this will happen and put the NAMBLA loving fools out of business for good.

  91. #298457
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 7:08 pm, Freddy said:

    Seems like the real start of issues with the ACLU began when California decided it was OK for a non-profit lawyer to collect legal fees when sueing the government. This one legislative action has supplied the ACLU with cash and desire to sue in every direction for the money. A far cry from the days of volunteer work, and valid causes of the past.

  92. #298525
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 8:37 pm, rightisright said:

    On April 23rd, 2008 at 3:37 pm, Buckaroo said:

    “JSM would go along with a democratic congress, and a republican congress would feel obligated to go along with amnesty juan”

    pls. back up EITHER wild assertion with anything resembling a fact …

    Maybe his past actions like trying to sneak the amnesty bill through in the dead of night….calling us “bigots” “racists” and telling us to “shut-up”…makes me think he would gladly go along with amnesty no matter what party controlled congress.

  93. #298571
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 9:20 pm, Buckaroo said:

    “sneak the amnesty bill through in the dead of night”

    um, i thought it was during the day, and regardless, IT FAILED …

  94. #298594
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 9:45 pm, cicerokid said:

    Post 89 ” Short of the ACLU manning watering stations along the border…”

    The pope already has that one covered.

    F
    U
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  95. #298617
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 10:13 pm, Texas Tiger said:

    …where migrants face much harsher conditions in remote, environmentally hostile areas.

    Sorry, Pedro. I don’t know how to say it in Spanish, but “Mother Nature eeeeesss a beeeeeetch!”

  96. #298656
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 10:56 pm, Sean said:

    The ACLU suing for illegal invaders now? What, couldn’t they find anymore terrorist to set free? Are they going to sue the constitution next or are grandma and apple pie next on the agenda.

  97. #298679
    On April 23rd, 2008 at 11:39 pm, Vntnrse said:

    Gee, ya know I haven’t heard a word about this on any of the news channels here in San Diego county, either! HERE is where I get real news that effects my life! Thank you Michelle!

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