NC GOP not caving in: How Republicans should act; McCain attacks NC GOP as “out of touch with reality”
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Despite what you may have read or heard, the North Carolina GOP is not pulling its anti-Jeremiah Wright ad.
The conservatives there are not caving in to John McCain’s demands.
Or the RNC’s.
Or Barack Obama’s.
NC GOP officials still plan to run the ad. State GOP chairwoman Linda Daves says there’s nothing McCain could say to change her mind: “I’m going to run the ad.”
They are not caving in to the self-appointed civility brigade in either party who have deemed in beyond the bounds to call attention to Jeremiah Wright’s bile, question Obama’s judgment about his longtime spiritual mentor, and challenge those who support him.
NC blogger Katy Benningfield reprints an apology and clarification from state Rep. David Lewis, North Carolina National Committeeman for the RNC, which she received from him yesterday:
Katy,
I made a mistake this morning in responding to a concerned Republican. In fact, I responded before I even saw the ad. I had seen some news coverage of the ad on WRAL but hadn’t seen the whole thing.
I contacted Chris McClure at State Party Headquarters and misunderstood what he told me about the ad. I did not, as I should have, check with Chairman Daves.
I tried too quickly to respond to an email without looking into all the facts.
Chairman Daves has made me aware that the Party will continue running the ad.
I am deeply sorry to have put out incorrect information.
The truth is I have been working on a fund raising event with Vice President Cheney and have not been actively involved with this particular media effort.
I want to do a good job in responding quickly to emails and phone calls and sometimes I am a little too quick.
This miscommunication is absolutely my fault and was not intentional.
I sincerely apologize to everyone who has been inconvenienced by my foul up and am going to try to put out a press release later today to clarify my mistake and that I was not authorized to speak for the Party.
Thanks.
Sounds like the RNC needs people on board who are less panicky, less sloppy, and paying more attention to their own backyard.
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NC GOP chairwoman Linda Daves takes on NPR’s Melissa Block.
Responding to Block’s question about whether the ad is “offensive,” Daves says plainly: “I don’t know why they’re calling it offensive. I call it truthful.”
There’s nothing that McCain could tell you to change your mind about the ad?
Daves: “That is correct. I’m going to run the ad.”
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Once again, here’s the ad that the hapless Lewis distanced himself from before even watching it:
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Update 9:13am Eastern. McCain attacks the NC GOP as “out of touch with reality.”
Has he ever attacked Jeremiah Wright this way?
No.
Never.
That is the McCain way.
Who is out of touch with reality? Pot meet kettle.
Republican U.S. presidential candidate John McCain accused North Carolina’s Republican Party of being “out of touch with reality” over its refusal to pull an advertisement criticizing Democrat Barack Obama.
In an NBC interview aired on Friday, the Arizona senator said he has done all he can to persuade the state party to cancel the television ad that criticizes Obama as “too extreme” because of controversial remarks made by his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.
“They’re not listening to me because they’re out of touch with reality and the Republican Party. We are the party of Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan and this kind of campaigning is unacceptable,” McCain told NBC’s “Today” Show.
“I’ve done everything that I can to repudiate and to see that this kind of campaigning does not continue,” he added.
Asked if the state party’s unwillingness to heed his call raised questions about his leadership, McCain replied: “I don’t know exactly how to respond to that.”
As I pointed out last week, Obama isn’t the only snob in the race.
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Update: Mark Levin’s interview with Linda Daves is here.
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The irony of course is that the more that McCain and the Democrats protest against the ad, the more coverage it gets, and the greater the number of people who will see it.
Wright is wrong, 2 wrongs = Wright. Conservatism means adhering to your principles. Go NC RNC!
I agree.
Thank goodness North Carolina has some leadership in the GOP to do the right thing.
senor McCain….butt out jose!
The Right will do the job while McCain tut tuts with plausible deniability and reaps the benefits of the country being educated about the Obamaphenoma’s truths.
Just imagine McCain’s pandering once he’s elected.
Sierra Hotel! Nice to see there are some folks with a set of stones left in the GOP at the state level at least. I just might have to send some of the meager funds (before price increases require even that for the basic essentials) I have set aside for political activism this election cycle to keep this add on the air.
Note to NCRNC. Do not place people on board who got their training at CBS.
It wouldn’t hurt if the rest of the RNC would to listen to their base as well.
A man can dream.
“In fact, I responded before I even saw the ad.”
What a maroooooon.
On April 25th, 2008 at 8:36 am, On-my-soap-box said:
It would serve them well if they did.
As an NC resident who wants to see Perdue and Moore go down in flames, I say stay the course, NC GOP.
And RNC, get off the stage on this issue. Stand back and watch an operation that has a pair. Maybe you can learn something. Right now all you’re doing is stinking up the joint.
I wish the RNC would not be so eager to fall in with Howard Dean but I also wish for govt. leaders who know what it means to lead rather than oppese.
Refreshing!
Go NCRNC, Go!
Obama’s words,
“These people are part of who I am”
so, that being said, what’s the problem? If Oblahma defends this pond scum, he is subject to the scrutiny. Deal with it.
I was astounded to hear two PhD’s on O’Reilly last night blithley brand the ad as “racist”. They never explained why they considered it to be racist.
Racist? The ad is all about judgment and Obama’s connection to an anti American pastor. The thrust of the ad has nothing to do with race - unless being black in this country means being anti-American.
I have also heard over the last two days accusations of white voters being racist in their votes for Clinton. Again, racist? If there is a racial compnnent here, it is not concern over Obama’s race that steers voters to Clinton, but their concern over his racism. His long term association with church that preaches black supremacy and white intolerance is indeed cause for concern.
But when 60& of white voters go for Clinton over Obama, the cries of white racism begin to ppepper the MSM. It is almost laughable that while focusing on white voters, the MSM conveniently ignores the fact that over 97% of black males in Pennsylvania voted for Obama. 97%! That is almost the same percentage that Saddam Hussein received in his last public election. If anything, this number is a much stronger indicator of where racial animus and preference lies within the electorate.
Obama scuttled his own ship with most voters, not by being black but by mounting evidence that he is an elitist, intransient, liberal whose association with black liberation theologists, domestic terrorists and other marxist groups calls not only his judgment into question but also destroys the credibility of his public statements portraying himself as a partiotic populist who is capable of healing both racial and political divides. The more the nation learns about Obama, the more convinced it becomes that Obama is a liberal racist who will exacerbate and not cure the issues that divide the country.
And it is frankly beneath contempt to see the Obama campaign now playing the race card for all it is worth to rationalize Obama’s fall from grace.
Jim M.
the phd from Temple is a wanker.
The world needs more Daves.
Lead headline on Drudge “MCCAIN SAYS NC GOP ‘OUT OF TOUCH’ OVER AD”.
I cannot and will not ever vote for John McCain.
“They’re not listening to me because they’re out of touch with reality and the Republican Party. We are the party of Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan and this kind of campaigning is unacceptable,” McCain told NBC’s “Today” Show.
This man is disgusting.
These days too many PhDs are wankers — the living embodiment of piled higher and deeper.
I think state Republicans (even in states like Hawaii where being a Republican is an anomaly) need to stand up for what they believe and stop caving in to RNC pressure. How does the Republican Party expect to retain its base with tactics like they, and McCain, tried to use on the NC GOP? What happened to being different from the Dems? This is something that the Dems do.
I’m glad that the NC GOP isn’t pulling the ad and why should they? They’re just using Rev. Wright’s words, words he actually said, to demonstrate the feckless, hypocritical nature of Obummer’s campaign and those supporting it. Why are so many Americans afraid of the truth?
If it weren’t for swift-boat vets, talk radio, or orgs outside of the actual campaigns, Americans would continue to be duped by liberal democrats.
John McCain is too nice for politics. He always wants to please everyone and not make enemies. Well, John, you’re making enemies in your own party.
Since I presume you’re referring to Linda Daves and not David (Dave) Lewis, I agree.
The ad just tells the truth. The RNC and McCain need to listen to the people they want to represent. McCain doesn’t want to offend anyone but ends up offending the base of the party. All his requests for support include what he is going to do to save the country, but he never mentions his amnesty stand.
Stick with this add like I stick to cling to guns!!!
The truth is like a dagger in the hearts of dymocrites.
Alright! Run the ad! McCain is already being played like a fiddle by the media, first on the Hagee thing and now this. Yeah, “Maverick”, way to go there.
Because, even though he is half white, he is all black when the race card is employed. The left has effectivly shut down our free speech rights, unless it is scorn directed at white middle class(males mostly) and white ruling elite.
Ever heard of “Day of Silence”? Any
educatorsteachersindoctrinators in the house?I’ve been hearing these flimsy defenses of people like Wright and Ayers since the late 60’s and it is old and tired. It’s time to stop trying to convince liberals they’re OK and patriotic no matter what they say or do!
I don’t know what games McCain is playing, but I am long past the game-playing stage - he has long since left me behind, and was never really representative of me in the first place.
As a conservative I am not going to vote for someone who consistently denounces, degrades and belittles me and who it seems supports more often than not the other side in the guise of “reaching out” to them.
No John…you are out of touch! There is nothing nasty about the ad. There is nothing taken out of context ala Michael Moron. This is just a wake up call to people to make the aware of who this SOB is and where his mindset has been formed!
Just sent kudos to the NC RNC. More states RNC’s should be like this, then maybe we can get the national RNC in line.
I don’t know why people think McShamnesty is going to be this hard-ass campaigner in the fall. This is just further proof that he lacks the will or interest to play the kind of politics that the other side will play 100%, every single day. He will sorely lose because of it.
This morning the democrats, including Obama,said that McCain should be able to control his party. Dean went so far as to say , if he can’t control them over this ad, how is he going to run the country.(paraphrased)
Well, if McCain had minded his own business, as the ad had nothing to do with him,more than likley, no one outside of North Carolina would have heard of it, and the Democrats would have nothing to use against McCain for not being able to control the GOP in N.C… The state’s business is the state’s business. Not even the President’s. Much less someone running for President!!
@ Khan
McCain; No, not perfect.
BHO; Socialist
HRC; Socialist
No contest! I’ll pick “Not Perfect”. Oh by the way, I will vote!
I saw that O’Reilly interview too last night, Jim, and couldn’t believe it. I just couldn’t believe it. These two black men have achieved success and academic prominence in their lives but they just look SO ANGRY . It’s like if you want to criticize the black community… watch out. Especially listening to the Temple University professor who’s been on multiple Fox News shows, he’s same prototypical, Dem robot, whites don’t understand blacks, yada, yada, yada. It just gets old, very, very old.
What really got me is that they finally get to vote for someone who represents them and their interests. Let me get this straight, I thought Clinton was the first “black” president, but now that you have a real “black” candidate, you no longer feel disenfranchized? And these guys work in higher education? The Temple University guy is an Urban Studies professor, a laughable college program that’s more about grievance analysis/history than resolution.
Jim M, thanks for your post. These two “gentleman” really just made me see red and I really thought Bill O’Reilly was too kind to the pair.
when did McCain become so holier than thou? I remember comments he made to Mitt Romney during the debates that made me cringe.
Could that NPR beyotch be any more liberal?
On April 25th, 2008 at 9:18 am, hatelibs said:
No John…you are out of touch
You beat me to it. mccain, like 90% of all DC pols are out of touch with the desires of Americans. This add thing is a non starter for me, except it continues to show mccains disdain for the core of the party he SUPPOSEDLY represents. I am trying to find a reason to support him but I just can’t. He is, as he has proven over and over again, a liberal with a couple of conservative stances. The GOP truly is the stupid party lead by stupid people. If they keep it up, I will turn independent.
Someone should tell McCain that Obama already staked out the alleged moral high ground of denouncing gutter politics, and it did not work.
Make no mistake - who you choose to endorse says much about you as a candidate. If the endorsee has kooky friends, then people should know that.
If McCain wants to win, then HE will have to tell the truth about Obama, and not rely upon a proxy that he can toss under the bus when things get hot. The proxies won’t exactly cotton to that.
The Wright/Ayers issues have been served up on a silver platter, but McCain is stuck on stupid.
Yeah, and Obama should control Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Tony Resko. Pahleeze!!!
Liberals… do as I say, not as I do.
I wish McCain would point out what part of the ad is ‘offensive’ and ‘out of touch’.
McCain is doing his best to lose this state. . . an unopposed primary he’s going to lose.
The ad questions the judgment of Democratic gubernatorial candidates for endorsing Obama. Is that offensive? Is pointing out that they endorsed Obama offensive? Is pointing out that Obama CHOSE to attend Wright’s church OFFENSIVE?
I tell you what McCain, why don’t you be a stupid little boy and tell people why Hagee’s comments are ‘nonsense’. At least when THEY tie YOU with an extremist you don’t excoriate the questioner. You think it warrants a response.
Mr. McCain, as I’ve said before. . . the offensive part of this years election is the hundreds of millions of dollars of bonds for new schools that are going to be voted for across this country. Every community is going to have to pay for your failure to secure our borders. North Carolina does not appreciate anything that you have done.
Here’s a suggestion. . . pick Lieberman as your running mate (it is the only worse idea you could have to torpedo your campaign than this). Your campaign skills took you as far as South Carolina in this primary. Since then McCain has been lost.
McCain’s actions have put the NC GOP on the defensive for no reason. The Democrats across the country are spewing hatred toward the NC GOP . . . and when they do, they do it by saying ‘McCain said it was a terrible ad’.
I’m done defending McCain. This is the worst group of candidates in my lifetime and there is literally ZERO reason to vote in this election. This country is great in spite of DC - or anyone up there who might be as corrupt as McCain is (Keating 5). 84 million dollars in pork to McCain’s campaign. . . and HE says he’s against wasteful spending.
He wouldn’t need the money if he would actually allow the GOP to raise funds without his intervention. McCain will not win the Presidency. He will be raked over the coals far worse than this censored ad concerning the judgment of Obama.
I think that the NC GOP needs to run another ad questioning the judgment of McCain for his support for allowing illegal aliens to run roughshod over the average American taxpayer (that’s pork to the citizens of NC - and we need to make McCain famous for sponsoring it).
But of course WE are out of touch for being angry at this back door tax that McCain (the ‘Republican’) has forced on all of us.
This is what we need to do:
http://www.ncgop.org/home/index.asp
I don’t believe this good cop - bad cop routine at all. Surely McCain and the NC Republican party are coordinating. McCain’s stand on principle is a sham, just like his stand against turture — which lasted until the TV cameras left.
Jim M. #15 said:
Don’t be surprised at what the two PhDs said - they both drink deeply of the liberal kool-aid. I’ve seen both of them many times (don’t remember their names), and they are very predictable. The guy from Temple isn’t nearly as bad as the other guy, which is saying something.
In fact, did you notice how that guy (not the Temple guy) tried to say that 97% of black men voting for Obama was not at all racial? When O’Reilly called him on it, he then launched into a talk about how racial and racist are two different words, blah blah, blah, spin, spin, spin, dance, dance, dance. So yeah, it was racial, but not racist, he says.
Well hmmmm, let’s look at that. You have two people applying for a job, both are about equal. One is black and the other is white. I guess I’ll hire the one that looks like me. You wanna tell me that that isn’t racist?!
Thank you
academiaindoctrinator. I don’t agree with senor Mccain on turture either. We should provide much more severe turture, considering the other side uses head severing to persuade their prisoners.Today we’re voting “No Preference” for R-President (Huckabee and Paul are still on the ballot!) People will be highly motivated to use the early voting option now.
JSM is too arrogant to understand that he was never our choice and the NC results should reflect that. I liked him even less after learning he gets $65,000 military disability pay annually and today’s “we’re out of touch”.
Goodbye Bill O’Reilly. Hurrah Linda Daves!
McCain has no right to complain on this ad …
This ad is not an ad for McCain …
This is not an ad for the presidential campaign …
This ad is targeting democrats running in North Carolina races for various elected offices …
Therefore McCain and his people have no right to try to demand any kind of action regarding the running or pulling of this particular ad …
I’m watching the left-wing, democrat party propaganda that passes for election coverage on the so-called news, here in Denver.
All local news channels were soft pedaling Wright. Not one mention of what the p.o.s. actually said in the pulpit to start the controversy. Just video of a kindly, old, black man crying to Moyers about being treated in an unjust manner by the mean republicans, and white media.
Part of the “story” on the NBC affiliate, channel nine, was also a hit piece on McCain’s relationship with John Hagee. Trying to play the typical, liberal, moral equivalence card.
Then that was followed up immediately by another hit piece on Rush Limbaugh’s comments from his radio show, where he says he dreams of riots in Denver. The piece was complete with play back of the recorded comment, and also a transcript of his comment displayed on screen while the news “talking head” was reading it. Followed by Denver’s liberal democrat mayor, who got rich from restaurants that hire cop killing, illegal mexicans, saying how terrible Rush is.
The msm never catches on to the joke they have become!
“They’re not listening to me because they’re out of touch with reality and the Republican Party”
What an arrogant b@stard McCain is. He’s a friggin democrat and should be kicked out of the Republican party, period.
Once again convinced never to vote for this arrogant self-centered back-stabbing disloyal prat. NEVER. I’d rather vote democrat, and it looks like that’s exactly what I will be doing come November, as far as the POTUS position goes.
McCain is only interested in pleasing his two most important constinuencies: democrats and the media. He couldn’t care less about conservatives.
BTW, I sent the NCGOP $25 this morning - my only donation to ANY repulbican this election.
I’m sitting here, sipping my morning coffee, feeling quietly proud of the state I was born and raised in.
I’m also wondering if being two hours south of Denver will be far enough away.
lol…at least my coffee isn’t “bitter”.
My mother always told me that “truth hurts” and given the liberals attempts to block anyone from getting “hurt” it is no suprise to me.
I’ll try your same technique, lgm, and see how you like it.
Isn’t this the same as Obummer saying how much he’ll represent everyone until he starts mentioning how his work as a community organizer makes him qualifed on “urban issues,” because he lived in Indonesia and saw its poverty, he can speak to them, and how he’s a man of the people until he talks down to people who he feels are angry about the economy and therefore cling to guns, religion, etc.
Have you ever heard of the phrase: Paranoia will destroy ya?” It would surely apply to your comment.
I wonder if a coup is possible at the convention…
No it wouldn’t be rascist it would be racial.
Weren’t you listening to the PHD Trollman? /sarc
What I got out of that is that to be racist, one must be white, and to be racial one must be black. What did I miss?
McCain has abandoned North Carolina republicans by his remark. Hillary is setting this election up nicely for him and he is blowing it.
You know what? I think there may only be one way to get a message through to these idiots running the Republican party that we’ve had enough, and that’s to switch affiliation to Democrat. I am seriously considering doing exactly that, not because I want to be a Democrat, but because I’m sick of what is going on with the
other Democrat partyRepublican party. If enough people do it, maybe they’ll finally sit up and start to listen to the people they are supposed to be representing.#42 lgm wrote:
Exactly.
#27 rooster wrote:
Right.
Why is it that the people most concerned with Rev. Wright’s comments — the ones who consistently (literally daily) post angry comments about it — strike me as the people least likely to end a friendship with a racist? When was the last time you threw someone out of your home for using the “n word” or something similar? I admit I may be wrong, but it seems doubtful.
And I believe when the cameras are off, Obama says that the Pennsyvania blue colar democrats are just white trash and country bumkins and he sits and agrees with Ayers on his Marxist positions. Since it is all about believes, prove me wrong.
Keep McCain well under 70% in the upcoming primaries and he may start paying attention to conservatives.
A vote for McCain is a vote for more thumbs in the eyes of conservatives.
I heard Daves on some local radio show yesterday, and unfortunately she sounded pretty bad. Just overall weak in defending the point of the ad.
Obama will be the last person to end a friendship with a racist, or a terrorist, or socialist, or communist, ect…
#34 Fester wrote:
Not quite. HRC and BO are both clearly capitalists. I know people like to toss the “s” word (along with Marxist and communist) around a lot here, but the theory holds absolutely no water. Maybe refer to your Marx-Engels Reader again. Even on the most superficial level, neither of these two qualify.
nyk said:
You mean like Obama, who refused to disown his friend [Wright] who used the n-word in the pulpit?
Why is it, on a daily basis, that every liberal on the internet to the MSM gets to generalize conservatives/Republicans like they have any clue what they’re talking about? Why is it, that when anything the black community does or says is questioned, it’s racist, yet when certain blacks like to say stuff like “God Damn America” it’s treated like a protest statement and not addressed at face value?
When I was growing up I thought my father the world’s biggest racist, especially when he used the “n” word. Then I looked at how blacks not only treated whites not only in the community I grew up in but in the current community I’m living in now, and I begin to wonder… who are the actual racists? Is it conservatives who question black actions/words, blacks who say derogatory things about their country, or the liberals (yourself) who enable the continuing falling standards of the black community?
Ever live in a black community? Ever seen their actions on parade? Ever seen what happens when inaction deteriorates into chaos? Ever been called a “white b*tch” by a black student? Your view is warped if you think the hating is predominantly on one side of the ethnic/racial discussion.
At last the GOP has someone with big brass ones: Linda Daves.
Let this be a lesson to the rest of her colleagues…
#59 sambo wrote:
Yes, we’ve heard that before here. Every. Single. Day.
What does that have to do with my post? My point is, the folks who are most indignant about Wright’s perceived racism don’t strike as real Freedom Riders themselves, if you know what I mean (and I bet you do!).
People put too much emphasis on the presidential contest. What really matters is the Congress. The President can’t do any thing without the Congress. If the right can get control of Congress we can limit the damage even scum like the 3 turds we have to choose from can do.
I’ll be voting in November and leaving president blank.
On April 25th, 2008 at 10:10 am, nyc123me said:
IMHO, bad strategy. It reinforces the erroneous GOP assumptions that they have not yet moved left enough to win elections. The best approach is to register (not sure I do actually register with a party in Texas) as an independent. As the Independent category grows, niches are then open to new parties. The current 2 party system creates high hurdles to a 3rd or 4th party success. But with enough Independents, a new party can build a base quickly and break this nonsensical 2 party system that has taken a life of its own (to the benefit of the party hacks, not americans).
HSLDA-one of its founders used to say …’There’s the evil party and the stupid party and every now and then they get together and make evil-stupid laws.’
McCain/Feingold (sp) comes quickly to mind.
NP (D) and NG (R) sitting on a couch together comes quickly to mind.
NC’s Ms Daves is an amazing woman. She ACTS rather than talk-talk-talks!
McCain can’t get angry with Democrats only with Republicans and Nancy Pelosi in ability to interpet the bible, well any bible I recognize is this end of times? I don’t mean for the World but for this American Congress what is their ratings, how low can they go? I guess the Presidential Election is distracting the American public from just how LAME they all are - how much is a gallon of gas, why are people hoarding rice? Bailing out mortages that should never have been approved in the first place ect…
#62 emjem24 wrote:
PLEASE. On a site where anyone to the left of Reagan is labeled a socialist or a Marxist, I hardly think you can complain about blanket statements. Really.
Translation: When I was growing up I thought my father the world’s biggest racist, especially when he used the “n” word…Now I use it myself! And I find justification in the fact that blacks are racists…
“Us” against “them,” huh? How egalitarian.
Why are the only guts in the conservative movement found among the women?
The men seem to be falling in behind McCain like a bunch of Lewinskys.
Keep it up girls.
Where was all this outrage over mentioning race when the Dems were Photoshopping Michael Steele in blackface and throwing Oreos at him? It’s a testament to the absolutely cowed nature of the Stupid Party that they are paralyzed by the prospect of having to criticize a woman or a black because they know they’ll be called sexist and/or racist.
The recriminations stemming from a McCain victory are already flowing, six months before the votes have been cast. “There is no reason why the Obamessiah could’ve lost other than the seething racism of white AmeriKKKans,” is how the UK press is preemptively explaining. “Who do bitter white males hate more: the girl or the black?”, asks Nora Ephron. The fear of being called an -ist is driving voters to support Hillary or Barry even when they know they are liars and dangerous.
Faced with fatally flawed opponents, what does McCain do? He spits in the face of the people who are reluctantly aligned with him despite their misgivings with his RINOness. They are willing to hold their nose and do their patriotic duty and vote against the clearly and presently dangerous candidates of the fascist Dem party. But as Juan McAmnesty persists in kicking them in the privates and berating them for daring speak against his liberal views and pals, the urge to drag themselves out on a cold November day to cast their vote must rapidly fade Why bother when you’re only voting against the evil and not for the good, especially when the lesser evil will slap your face in return?
I fear that America’s days as a great nation are probably over now; sacrificed on the altars of socialism and political correctness. When will Atlas shrug?
Throwing them out of the house is not the same as not inviting them back. And it isn’t the same as not attending his church for 20 years, using him as an advisor on your campaign, having him marry you and baptize your children, and calling him your “spiritual mentor”.
61 Trollman wrote:
I’m so sick of liberals like yourself making “educated guesses” as to the lack of civil rights support on the part of conservatives and/or Republicans. I guess you forgot to mention Charlton Heston marching in support of civil rights or the fact that if Republicans hadn’t fought to pass civil rights legislation it wouldn’t have been passed. Please stop playing the tired, old, Dems are the leaders of civil rights when it’s just not the case. Take a good look at cities like Philly, Detroit, LA as a good example of leadership (or lack thereof) in action.
I find it sickening on your part to even assert such a thing. People aren’t indignant, they’re angry at people like Obummer calling them things (and his supporters backing him) that aren’t true. When you assert such nonsense you come off sounding like an elitist yourself.
I’ve worked in many inner-city schools with minority students in the classrooms I taught and I treated all those kids equally. I didn’t make judgements about those kids based on the color of their skin.
How come some kids (both black and Latino) judged me? Called me a white b*tch when I was only trying to accomplish a lesson plan? Whether or not you really believe it, every day we are judged on superficial things like skin tone. I feel it everyday in the black community I live in.
No, your answer to this debate is that racism only exists on one plane, one political aisle- it doesn’t occur in both. I’m sorry but your logic is full of junk and you really need to empty it before you get a full trunk. You dig?
McCain is the presumptive candidate to represent the Repubican party in the national election (makes me sick to say so). But…..he is not the national leader of the Republican party. He does not speak for conservatives, even though he’d like us to think so. That being said, it’s none of his damned business what kind of ad the party wants to run in a North Carolina race. He needs to butt out.
And one more thing….anyone beginning to notice how, no matter how legitimate the criticism of Obama is, it is automatically painted as racist and therefore, not legitimate? Disgusting!!
#70
Thanks Rinoalert-I was going to state the same thing.
And Ms Daves - I support individuals now - NOT the R Party - so - if you ever run - let Michelle know - hopefully she’ll tell us - we’ll send $$$$$$$ to your campaign.
#74 emjem24 wrote:
This isn’t a “guess.” It’s based on more than a year of reading this blog. And it’s not a “guess” (to use your wording) about “lack of civil rights support on the part of conservatives and/or Republicans.” It is a hypothesis about the people who are most upset about Wright’s comments who post HERE. In this forum. I can’t imagine being any more specific.
That was 45 years ago. He did quite an about-face later in life. And anyway, we aren’t talking about him.
Hey 1gm!
I believe you are getting it! Dynamite!
…..so, Johnny Boy McLame says,”NC GOP is out of touch with reality”.
…..Johnny, you old codger, you are the one who is out of touch with reality. You have no clue that the majority of Repubs and Conservatives in flyover country have no stomach for your liberal, appeasing, conciliatory, pandering ways. WAKE UP.
After listening to Ms Daves NPR interview, I find myself wondering wistfully if there isn’t some way we can dump McCain in favor of putting her at the top of the ticket. Alas, it’s probably too late.
For what it is worth, Geraghty thinks that McCain is probably playing “good cop, bad cop” with the ad. I am not so sure. I do have a friend who is a campaign manager for one of our local Republican hopefuls - I’ll try to ask him what he thinks is going on next time I see him.
McCain is an odd character, that is for sure. Quixotic and inconsistant sense of honor, I think. I have a feeling that I am going to end up liking him at the same time being constantly frustrated by him…
nyk #69
Its not all libs, its the Dem party leadership steering the ship in the wrong direction, contrary to average American USA lovin’ ol’ fashioned libs.(All 10 of them)
Concerning post #66 by Weary Citizen….
I have been registered as an independent in Colorado for the last 6 years…
The bad?….no ability to vote in primaries here without re-registering as either a republican or a democrat. I have a problem with that as it feels like forced political and philosophical prostitution by the two main parties.
The good?….no ideololgical association with either increasingly corrupt and venal main party or any of their frontmen/candidates.
At this point in time I’m leaning towards being one of those voters who shows up to vote for downticket issues and candidates and leaves the POTUS selection blank
@Fester #34
thank god for the libertarian party. I refuse to go against my core values, beliefs, and principles just because the guy has (R) behind his name.
Oh, really? Yet you, and Obummer seem to be sitting, lecturing to us on your high horses because you think that you can get away with it. Ever been to Europe? The place stinks of socialism. Univeral Healthcare? If that’s not a socialist idea right out of a utopian fairytale I don’t know what is.
Yet another “blanket” statement on your part. Your whole assertion on this thread is that conservatives, especially white conservatives, are racist. I don’t use the “n” word myself… it’s interesting how the black “brothers” are using it on each other though.
This statement of yours also smacks that people’s political beliefs never change or evolve. Yet, liberals such as yourself seem to be either permanently stuck in a time warp where conservatives are the “bogey man” or just plain stuck on stupid.
Yet another reflection of your insulation. Let me see… a lot of aimless, itinerant, black youth (usually males), and I see this every day when I go home at lunch, wandering the streets doing, what? The baggy pants, the fake machismo…yeah, I guess being an observer of behavior makes me a racist.
Honey, I don’t say boo to many blacks in the community I live. I’m respectful, but I’m not stupid. I get stared at and I stare right back. Most are nice to me but I’ve seen the statistics of crime being committed in Hampton Roads, VA.
You’re such an enabler. You actually seem just either disconnected or insulated from what the rest of us see. You, like many in the black community, are a cheap, tragicomedy of what liberalism is all about.
If you think I’m a racist… you don’t know the meaning of the word. Then again, it’s easy for liberals to throw racism around so that no deep analysis or problem-solving can be conducted regarding a lot of the challenges the black community face.
Democrats fear nothing as much as they fear the truth. They depend on verbal camouflage to hide their true beliefs, actual statements, and their future intended actions. Thus, they are “progressives” rather than liberals or socialists. They are “aggrieved victims” rather than racists and haters. Etc.
Time to tell the truth and let the chips fall where they may. Do it.
Yeah, and what have you done to pull the black underclass out of their miserable pit? Simply not calling one an “n” isn’t much of a contribution.
Write was on Good Morning America this morning. Well, not on it, but they ran a clip of some interview he did with some white moron who was afraid to ask tough questions.
It was a joke. Wright had the unbelievable wontons to say he was treated unfairly, that his words were taken out of context and played over and over for “political reasons”. Also, when he was asked about Obama’s dissociation from him, Wright shrugged it off as “just politics”.
It’s a game and a joke. He’s a racist unpatriotic, hateful buffoon. And Obama admires him for a REASON.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
nyk : “it’s not a guess, it’s a hypothesis.”
BWAHAHAHAHA! damn that’s funny!
..oh wait, you were serious?
“Simply not calling one an “n” isn’t much of a contribution.”
Do you mean “nigger”? If people can write out kike, chink, wetback, mick, and wop, we should be able to write out nigger.
Sick of the unholy censorship of that word.
Some Republicans might be more inclined to listen to McCain, were it not for the impression that his nomination has been rammed down their throats by the party establishment. Of course, that is just IMHO.
Please don’t feed the trolls!
#85 emjem24 wrote:
Actually, I lived in Spain for a year in high school, and I’ve been to a fair amount of other European countries — Britain, Sweden, etc. I don’t recall the stench you reference. Just people getting health care when they need it. And again, you’ve taken us WAAAAAYYYYYY off topic.
Um…no. Let me spell it out for you, because you obviously don’t get it. My assertion is that (stay with me here) the people who post on THIS site who are most bothered by Jeremiah Wright’s comments don’t strike me as people who are particularly anti-racist in their own lives. Got it?
Don’t call me “honey,” dear.
Methinks thou dost protest too much.
nyk, omg can you get your head stuck any further up your butt? seriously, that last post was just sooo self-involved..
#87 VRWC wrote:
Not calling “one?” Wow.
And I am African-American, you idiot. And I’ve done plenty.
#90 madamevengier wrote:
God forbid people try to respect one another.
#89 nyc123me wrote:
Quite.
#94 nyc123me wrote:
I might say the same to you. In fact, I’ll just say it: nyc123me, can you possibly get your head stuck any further up your butt?
wow that’s real smart.
nyk, I am curious. What is your opinion of Reverend Wright?
Actually, I lived in Spain for 6 months but I didn’t see anything glorious about socialism in action. I did see a lot of heroin addicts in the slums of Madrid, along with lots of crime and unemployment. Where is your proof that health care is easily available? Hey, you were asserting that Hill and Obummer aren’t socialists… this is where we headin.’
If you’re going to judge the civil rights history of an ENTIRE POLITICAL PARTY on one blog, then your judgement is way past wacked. I don’t particularly think you even have the qualifications to judge who you think is racist, given your tolerance for “liberal political protests,” like Wrights.’ Got it?
Well, you seem to think you know it all, nyk, about conservatives based on, what, one blog? Believe me, it wasn’t a term of endearment…
Methinks you’re not seeing some of the deeper, social implications of liberal race relations over the past 40 years. Methinks you’ve never been to a public school lately to see what many kids, including minority kids, get away with in terms of disrespect.
Nyk, if you’re an authority on race, racism, or race relations, then I’m the Dalai Lama.
#98 Bob1234 wrote:
I don’t think he hates America, or hates white people (I’m not stating this to start a fight. I know pretty much everyone here disagrees with me on this, and frankly, we’ll never convince each other, so let’s not bother fighting about it). But my opinion on him is complex — I can’t reduce it to a sentence, as people often do here. If your question is sincere, I’m fine with going into it, but it would be a very long-winded explanation of all my thoughts. But I’ll start by saying I don’t think it’s completely black and white (no pun intended. Really.)
I find Rev. Wright’s comments reprehensible and, in fact, racist as well; I am anti-racist. Oh, I confront comments where ever and whenever they appear that are racist… but I challenge blacks as well. Now, do you wish to opine?
I forgot… I’m white…. so according to your definition of posters here,it doesn’t matter what I do, does it, nyk? You have your glasses on as much as any other individual. You aren’t as egalitarian or perfect as you seem to present yourself.
The “racist” complaints about this ad serves as a warning to everyone who dares to complain about Obama that they will be labeled a “racist”! The drive-by media is sending a warning to all campaigners in the coming general election, “tell the truth about Obama, and we’ll scream racist from the highest rooftop”!
Kudos to Ms. Daves.
wow.. look at this article on BBC atm re the Sean Bell shooting.
The very first line: “Sean Bell, 23, who was black, was shot as..”
The race of the three police officers is never mentioned until the very last line, all on its own; “Two of the acquitted officers were black.”
..I don’t think I need to say any more.
nyk, for what it’s worth, I don’t care that Obama is of mixed heritage, Wright is African American, Clinton is ..well whatever species she is ..ethnicity should have nothing to do with politics - actions, however, should.
#99 emjem24 wrote:
I don’t know if you’re slow or what, but I’m going to try this one more time, and then I’m done. I am not letting this blog define Republicanism, or even conservatism. My intial post was about a very specific group: people who are most upset about Jeremiah Wright’s comments who post on this site.
Done.
#103 MNUSMCDavid wrote:
No, I don’t. Because you’re not in the group I’m talking about, are you?
(And good for you!)
Wrong. You’re completely changing what I said. Read my post(s). Don’t change my meaning. I was very specific.
#101 emjem24 wrote:
Um…I never stated anything within a MILE of this.
I’m just another person posting my thoughts on a blog. Just like you.
Here is the bottom line nyk. Obama is selling himself as a uniter when he is in actuallity a divider (as most all libs). He can not dis own Wright because he is one and the same.
Talk about ethnic arrogance. I have two, well-educated black men, one a Temple University “Urban Studies” professor, to share your black rage with.
If you’ve done plenty, then why are you so full of ignorant vitriole, hate, stereotypes, and smug arrogance?
Oh, and BTW, you’re an American, and that’s it. You, like many other blacks and the federal government, seem to define who you are by your race. Just like you’re judging people on this blog because they won’t buy into “black victimization.” Do you believe that every day should be Martin Luther King day too?
Why is it, that many liberal blacks look at whites, especially those they disagree with because of their political beliefs, as something wanting? Are you prejudging, discriminating, what?
Would you call people like Michael Steele blood traitors because they are black Republicans?
#109 sambo wrote:
Let’s agree to disagree on this, shall we? Because I really believe our perspectives on this are so vastly far apart I could never make you see where I’m coming from, and vice versa. And that has nothing to do with race — it’s just how we each see the world. And frankly, we’re both entitled to our opinions, and our votes.
” But my opinion on him is complex”
that would be code for “i actually agree with at least part of what this race-baiting loon thinks but want to hide it”
oh, and your earlier claim about shillery and b.o. not being socialists?
funniest.post.o’.the.month.
#110 emejem 24 wrote:
Sigh.
You are incredibly off topic and frankly, you clearly don’t get anything I’m saying. Let’s just end here.
hmm.. this is getting kinda ugly..
I doubt anyone on this blog was really going to vote for Obama anyway, with the exception of me and a few others.
McCain is simply attempting to make as broad an appeal as possible to independent voters across the nation, by inoculating himself from ads that Democrats are sure to link to him once they finally have their nominee.
If McCain feels it is in his best interest, I don’t begrudge him the desire to follow this tactic of denouncing the ad - as long as the NC GOP doesn’t capitulate.
#112 Buckaroo wrote:
No, it’s “code” for “it’s complex.” Unlike you, I can’t reduce my thoughts to a sentence.
Do you really understand socialism? Sometimes I really have to wonder, because the idea of applying that word to people who are so clearly capitalist just strikes me as just…out there.
nyk said:
Fair enough, sir (or madam). Frankly, I fail to see the complexities inherent in analyzing, “God D— America,” but then, as you say, we’ll never convince each other, and I thank you for your opinion.
#118 Bob1234 wrote:
And I think you for your civility.
I meant “thank.” Sorry.
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