The reinvention of Jeremiah Wright
I just finished speaking to the fantastic Pennsylvania Leadership Conference in Harrisburg, which I’ll blog about much more later, but I returned to my hotel room to watch the Bill Moyers-Jeremiah Wright suck-up ‘fest.
How docile and calm and tame and hushed the profanity-speaking reverend sounds on PBS. You’ve probably seen or heard many of the advance clips by now, but it’s worth tuning in for the totality.
Moyers and Wright are so jointly perplexed at how the “snippets” of his America-bashing diatribes can be twisted and exploited and abused. “Nefarious,” Wright sighs as Moyers nods with knitted brow.
Moyers and Wright yak about blues music.
Hardball question: “What blues song are you singing at the moment?”
Poor, victimized Rev. Wright answers: “”Don’t Know Why They Treat Me So Bad.”
Oh, get me a box of Kleenex and the world’s smallest violin.
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Words mean things. Mr. Wright ought to have learned that by now.
Michelle, do you know anything about Jeremiah Wright aside from the snippets that you have viewed? I’m just curious because this post seems to imply that you know him and that he is always angry. Could it be that like many pastors he gets very impassioned up on the pulpit and uses fiery rhetoric to try and liven up the services. Is it concieveable that maybe Wright is not an evil man, but a well intenetioned person that may hold some outside the mainstream views that you and I may disagree with? Maybe he doesn’t HATE America, but hates what the US GOVERNMENT has done on occasion. Im sure you HATED some of the things the Clinton and Carter administrations did. Does that mean that you HATE AMERICA? IN his FULL sermon Wright preaches that G-d is always right governments are not, but the great thing is governments can change. Sometimes for the good sometimes for the bad. I really hope you watch some of his sermons in its entirety. Im sure will disagree with his political views, but you may be surprised and agree with some of his theological arguments.
The short clips of the interview with that phony were enough for me.
I’m looking forward to your blog concerning the Pennsylvania Leadership Conference.
Oh yeah, he takes on a whole new persona when he thinks he’s talkin’ to an all white Liberal PBS audience, doesn’t he??
wow, that’s like 2 paid defenders of rev. wrong in one day here …
Ain’t buyin it, sorry.
Hey, Rev, this is just a case of the chickens coming home to roost.
Karma, you gotta love it.
I just watched the whole interview. What a waste of time. Moyers was working overtime to make Wright try to look like the innocent victim.
Nothing makes me angrier than when I see someone use a pulpit for their own devious purposes.
Oh, Wright is sooooo brave, he has the courage to say things that aren’t popular. That is why people are running up to the pulpit to pat him on the back during these rants of his.
He wants to condemn America. For what? Largely things that happened long ago in America’s past, and that America has long since repented of (slavery, for example). He is the king of moral equivalence.
He talks about America killing innocents… HELLO, you support Roe v. Wade! Forget the bombing of Japan (which was done to save many lives, both American and Japanese), what about the 40+ MILLION innocent babies being slaughtered here in America within the past few decades, “without batting an eye”? This continues even today - in large part because of folks like your buddy Obama!
Trollman, what devious purpose was Wright using the pulpit for?
Wright arguing for G-d to damn America all the time, just when it does the wrong thing, such as slavery, internment of Japanese etc.
While I don’t agree with your view of abortion being the slaughtering of babies I respect that hold that opinion as do some of my friends. I see where you can make that argument. I see how you are angered by what you percieve to be innocent deaths, however what I cant understand is that you seem to fail to acknowledge that the US has killed innocent people. I absolutely believe that the bombings of Nagasaki and Hiroshima were the right thing to do, but I can see how some people may question whether G-d holds that same view.
Always angry? Seems like reasonable conclusion, at least when he’s talking about rich white people.
And oh, by the way, how do you “take out of context” the statement: “The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color.”?
I don’t care if Jeremiah Wright had a nice discussion with Bill Moyers, he looks good in a suit and smiles a lot - is well mannered, always sends hundreds of christmas cards every year or makes the best tasting award winning chili .. the point is that he said these things.
The point is he screamed this and more at the top of his lungs in church, and this is appalling. And he brought this onto himself by his own actions. These rants of his are a open window into his soul.
O.K., wheres blindmule and his troll spray?
freemind25, Reverend Wright also served his country honorably when he was a Marine. Surely, he has done a lot of good for his community. However, many Klansmen and Mafia members are good family men with morals and who try to make their communities better places.
If you have white skin as I do, and said the things he said, some of which were untrue, and others which were racist, the good folks of your home town would shun you. We can accept all of the good he has done, but the evil that has spewed from his mouth is indefensible.
Your absolutely right that cannot be taken out of context. I dont believe Wright should be expressing those views on the pulpit, however I do believe you should cut him a little slack. He grew up in an era where the US Government did inject blacks with viruses (Tuskegee Experiments) so in his mind for the government to inject blacks with Aids is not out of the realm of possibility. To you and me it seems like a wacko conspiracy theory, but to alot of African Americans they don’t believe its that far fetched. I can fault him for putting those views in his sermon but I do understand where he is coming from.
One of his claims is that his quotes were “taken out of context”. Huh?
The contexts in which the quotes were made have been all accurately represented. He was not speaking on a subject other than 9/11 when he made the “chickens coming home” comments. He was not speaking about something other than his preceived oppression when he commented that the US invented the AIDS virus to wipe out those of African ancestry.
In fact, when the quotes are viewed in the contexts in which they were made, it makes Wright’s statements all the more reprehensible.
Claiming one was quoted out of context is something we hear time and time again. And often, when the context in which the quotes are made is revealed, it gives a much different interpretation to those statements. But not in this case.
Jeremiah Wright’s statements were not taken out of context. In this case, it is an inane and weak attempt to deflect attention from both the subject and the speaker, and unfortunately, to set up the basis for a claim of racism. The cards in the race deck are getting pretty worn by now.
First of all how far out of context can you take the two words _ _ _ _ _ _ _ you fill in the blanks because do to my religious beliefs, reading of the 10 commandments and Bible I am not allowed to take the my lords name in vain. I also wish people would refrain from spelling it out but thats your choice, I feel even reading the words is saying them in your mind, I know that might sound weird to some but I don’t care.
what it boils down to for me is, he can be as looney as he wants but when a man running for the president of these united states looks up to him i think it becomes an issue.
Seriously, you’d have to be retarded not to get Jeremiah “the Bull frog” Wright.
The lib tools here just prove how far the left is from the mainstream.
Most honorable Americans would recognize him for what he is.
Libs would vote for Stalin.
Politics
I’m willing to bite.
What did Wright REALLY mean by “garlic nosed Eye-talians?”
Maybe he likes garlic.
Do any of you libs have honor?
Anyone? Beuhler?
Trolls Awaaaaay!!!!
freemind25 said:
Perhaps Moyers should have asked him that question.
Look, Wright is a liberal guy. His big deal is that he is merely teaching those parts of the Bible that others don’t want to teach.
He wonders how could people be Christians and yet be segregationists. I agree with that. Which is also why I wonder how people can be Christians and be pro-choice. But he never addresses that. Why? Could it be because it doesn’t fit his political ideology? Abortion is biblically indefensible.
Wright uses his pulpit to accuse the American government of some great conspiracy of sending drugs and HIV to kill off and imprison black people. Those are some pretty striking claims! If you want to make those sorts of accusations, from the pulpit no less, you had better provide some serious proof.
No proof given. Of course, there is no proof. Why would he say such irresponsible things? Gee, it seems to play well with the folks in the pews.
Take all of this and realize that the man has made quite a living for himself doing this. He has made quite a name for himself on this stuff. Have you seen the home being built for him?
freemind25 said:
Again, notice how he chooses his examples. He talks about how churches don’t want to rock the boat, so he has to go out there and teach the truth? Wright doesn’t want to rock the boat, or else he would mention abortion which has taken more lives, lives that were more innocent, is far more recent, and is something we can actually do something about today. If you want to talk about the sins of America, abortion is #1.
freemind25 said:
I do acknowledge that America has done great evil and has taken the lives of many innocent people - case in point ABORTION. You are setting up the same false dichotomy that Wright makes: either you agree with Wright or you think America has never done anything wrong. That is garbage.
Yes, freemind25, the government experimented with mostly poor black share croppers who already had syphilis. Doctors told them were being treated for something like bad blood and meant to gather information from their autopsies.They had no interest in curing them.
Though Reverend Wright grew up in that era, he should surely know such travesties are rare. As an educated spiritual leader the reverend has a special responsibility not to bear false witness. Such baseless conspiracy theories hurt us all, and especially his black parishoners who may damage their health by avoiding visits to the doctor.
I can also understand where the Reverend Wright is coming from, but has , by virtual of his position should be the last person of his community to hate monger.
Gentlemen. Libs don’t love America. They love socialism. Wright is a racist.
Pure and simple. Obama used Wright as his role model.
This isn’t rocket science. Simply put, Obama isn’t anything, like he’d have you believe. Libs don’t care. They want a socialist.
Libs don’t love America. If they did, they’d decry Wright.
Geeez, do I have to go back and look up all the socialist associations that all of the Dems have Hillary and Obama and some are members of the socialist party itself. I guess I should save all this to my hard drive.
freemind25 said:
James 3:1 “Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment.”
Am I hard on Wright? You better believe it. This isn’t some layperson, this is an ordained minister who I hear has 4 degrees. He is neither stupid nor ignorant. It is precisely because his crowd was susceptible to believe the accusations that he should have been more careful. He knows perfectly well this stuff was garbage, or else he would have been all too glad to trot out the evidence.
The man is a fraud and a hypocrite.
David Duke tried to reinvent himself too except the media didn’t buy it.
I prefer Mark Steyn’s characterization of rev. wrong–
“race-baiting loon”
I completely agree with you on this one, but if you watch this entire sermon in context it is a throw away line in it. He did not base a sermon on the government inventing AIDS. The sermon was on how we should trust G-d not our governments because governments lie and G-d does not. If I were in the pews during this sermon I would have agreed with his overall premise but cringed a few times in some of the things he said. If the overall message of his sermons were preaching hatred towards others I would agree that Wright is an evil man, this was not the tone of his sermons. Maybe Im missing something and I could be wrong, but what racist things did Wright say? Accusing the government of planting the AIDS virus in the African-American community is wrong but not racist. Railing against rich white people is a stretch to paint someone as racist. What else is there that Im missing?
“Accusing the government of planting the AIDS virus in the African-American community is wrong but not racist”
um, what is it OTHER THAN racist?!
/annnd, don’t forget about the line in the church newsletter about the crafty jooos who worked on that “black and arab bomb” — that’s my personal fave …
Friends, there are no excuses for the crap this fake preacher said.
He can have a trillion people in his congregation who agree with him or we can have 100 libs fools who make excuses.
He was wrong, he is wrong and he isn’t man enough to MAN UP.
Apparently our lib friends here didn’t get the word. Jesus Obama has thrown Uncle Cracker under the bus.
We would NEVER have accepted this kind of crap before. Let’s not start now.
The liar, cannot stop lying. The cheater cannot stop cheating. To slow for even a millisecond means the truth is just at their heels.
The left feels this every moment of their day. They cannot let a single leftist fall. Thus they must trot out the tired ole standards and again try to raise the balloon regardless of how leaky or leaden.
The terrific irony is now, they lack the tools to complete their little circus acts.
Technology has caught them in their web of deceit. In times past a racist such as Reverend Wright could be rehabed on a TV program, maybe 60 minutes. Today it is simply laughable as they try again to save not his image, but the left’s image of itself.
Today we amateurs, sorry Michelle and thank you at the same time, have the same playing field as the so-called professional. And with a level field, which the internet and specifically sites such as Michelle’s give us, we can show the truth and reveal the racist behind the cloth.
I am laughing at their feeble, feckless attempts. I never knew that politics could be so much fun. In the 80’s when they, the leftist’s attempted to destroy Justice Thomas, all we could do was fume at the networks and the leftists in Washington. They no longer have that power. And never again will they get it back.
That is what these televised rehabs are all about. Try as they might, they are losing. It will never be easy as we have our work ahead of us. But today through the access we have at our fingertips, the truth is available.
Bill Moyers, Dan Rather, Maher, etc… they are the old media. They are the buggy whip salesman decrying the Model T.
They are the “out-modes”. To borrow a line from one of my young daughters favored DVD’s. It just seems to fit so aptly.
I encourage all of our conservative friends to have a good laugh at this silly attempt. Who are they even trying to convince? For the hard core leftist, it is not them. Who even watches PBS in this era? Not a single mind will be affected by this laughable nonsense.
From the right all I hear at this lipstick on a pig circus is laughter. Reverend Wright, you are a comedian, a clown, the town fool. All that is missing is the floppy shoes and baggy pants.
Just to be clear, the government didn’t “inject” anyone with a virus in Tuskegee. What they did was highly unethical and wrong, but studying the long-term effects of a disease by pretending to treat it in a group isn’t exactly the same thing.
I have a couple of questions to ask the Rev. Wright.
1. If it is so bad here in the US, why don’t you take your millions and move to a socialist utopia of your choice? (I am sure I know the answer, but I don’t think he will admit it.)
2. Where did Jesus Christ use the term G_d D_amn whatever? He wasn’t happy with the theives and moneychangers in the temple, but he did not violate his own commandments either.
3. At what point do you leave slavery and Jim Crow behind when it is no longer the law of the land and start preaching about individual responsibilty and the pursuit of happiness versus you can’t help yourselves without us leaders?
ooo! ooo! i know the answer to that 3rd one — “NEVER — as long as it keeps payin’ off fer al, jesse, & me!”
Anyone on the thread tonight that can’t see the Rev as the race hustler that he truly is, just doesn’t want to. I think theres less denial at an AA meeting. I never will figure out the Lib mind set.
I have to agree with OLDCOLLEGEGUY and MORE.
This guy is a hate filled bigot.
His church’s mission statement is bigoted.
His words are bigoted.
His demeanor is bigoted.
He is a charlatan and it is painfully obvious.
The part that is funny is the effete libs trying desperately to make this bigot into a decent soul.
He is not.
The issue here is that Jesus Obama embraced this speech for 20 years.
The “snippets” that this clown eludes to WERE SOLD ON DISC by his church.
You’d have to be a deaf dumb and blind kid, or a lib, not to see the obvious.
Wright is a RACIST, a PHONY SELF SERVING
BA$TARD and the Spiritual Advisor for the Marxist Candidate for the Presidency.
Nope. I am not buying off on it!
Hope and Change My A$$!
The Maverick is far less objectionable!
Don’t even try been there done that it is futile.
freemind25 said:
This is what makes Wright so dangerous - he wraps a lot of truth in his lies. The most dangerous lies aren’t the ones that are obviously false, they’re the ones that include a lot of truth and are thus all the more deceptive.
freemind25 said:
I know first hand that there is a deep resentment and anger towards white people harbored by some black people in the inner city. So what does Wright do? He inflames it.
He stirs up racial division by playing to certain people’s fears - (white) America created HIV to kill black people. (white) America put drugs in the inner cities to lock black people away. That is racist hate mongering through and through.
Rather than sowing seeds of racial harmony, he was sowing the seeds of racial hate and division.
how did someone post it earlier today — “they’re pissed ’cause once the dvds started getting out into the general public, they couldn’t control the audience anymore!”
/tooo baaad …
I don’t know what anybody’s getting so upset about. Nobody watches PBS in the first place.
In 1994, Sheldon Harris wrote a book called Factories Of Death, Japanese Biological Warfare. It’ll stand your hair on end! Wright keeps bringing up Tuskegee? Theres no comparison with this one. There has always been someone worse than us out there. It just never gets mentioned. Wonder why…………….
Has the good Rev. forgot about the research done by the CIA in the 50’s, 60’s and 70’s to understand “truth serums” like lsd and other hallucinogenics? the experiments that took place were done mostly on whites?
Oh that’s ok, it wasn’t directed at a minority group, no harm done.
/sar off
DAMN JERK!! Cleaned it up for you BM.
Really? To quote Jerry Seinfeld, “Who are these people? I wanna know.” Maybe my friends aren’t “black enough” but I don’t know anyone who seriously believes that. Except for maybe a few nut jobs I’ve had to escort to mental health, or a couple of repeat offenders I’ve encountered who insist that I only arrest them because they’re black.
Point is, no right thinking person believes such garbage. Using the Tuskeegee argument to defend “Reverend” Wright would be like me refusing to go a Japanese doctor because of Unit 731.
Now, I’m not saying that Wright is Bin Laden. . . but I am saying that you could say the same thing concerning ideology by changing that one name.
This man tries to say he was taken out of context without saying that he understands why people might have a problem with what he said. Can you imagine this guy taking the place of Billy Graham as ‘America’s spiritual advisor’?
As has been said, he says that he’s a victim because people think that America has never done anything wrong. The problem is that he blames America for EVERYTHING wrong in the world. He gives America credit for doing NOTHING good and he has made a living off of it.
Wright said, ‘Hillary ain’t never been called a n****’. Well, what would the reaction be of a preacher that might say, ‘Obama ain’t never been overlooked because of Affirmative Action and Racial Quotas’? Would that be ‘understandable’? Or would he be considered ‘too racist’?
The double standard is absurd. I imagine there are very few people in America who have had their preacher curse out America in their pulpit. I imagine most Americans haven’t ever heard their pastor curse period (much less in the pulpit).
Wright is allowed to say whatever he wants. . . he could even burn an American flag. . . and the media would applaud him for being patriotic. And Obama would be allowed to say how he ‘understands how people might be offended’ and be given a free pass.
Wright is far from the mainstream. I would BET that most Americans have never heard a ’sermon’ like Wright sells. America didn’t create the AIDS virus. I think it was Ed that pointed out that while Wright claims to have been taken out of context, his accusations of American evil were just him taking America’s history completely out of context.
Understand that if Obama becomes president, this man will become ‘America’s pastor’. It is a sad time for this country. The press love to talk negative about white preachers who say God caused bad stuff to happen because America isn’t living right. But they give Wright a pass. It is blatant, it is absurd, it is sad.
By the way. . . thanks McCain. Now the NAACP is on the NC GOP for that ad being too ‘racist’. We appreciate all the help you have given to our state. I understand why you expect some payback like you gave Keating. John McCain - all the legislation you can buy.
Can I explain what Wright is all about?
He keeps his congregation angry and he pushes them away from racial unity.
He rips white, Jews, garlic nosed Eye-talians, he rips his own Country and he is rewarded handsomely. Being a bigot reaps rewards in the hood. Speaking of “hoods”, Republicans and Conservatives do NOT support racially divisive bigots. We do not support the KKK or White supremecists.
The left however, is making all kinds of excuses not only for Wright, but for Obama’s choice to associated with Wright as closely as possible. Wrights’ words and views ARE KNOWN and WERE KNOWN to Obama. If Obama says otherwise, he is lying.
Libs, is Wright a bigot?
If not, what is Obama distancing himself for?
Obama is friends with a terrorist and his terrorist wife. Why is that?
Our leftist friends here are either dishonest or deluded.
freemind25 said:
Spare me the maudlin trash; you’re probably got a talent for playing the tuba as well.
Jeremiah Wright is a businessman who makes his money off the grievances he manufactures. Plain and simple; it is what it is.
Question: would you be asking for a different take on JW if he were white?
I’ll straight up bet the house you wouldn’t.
This is what’s said of a real black leader after he is dead and gone:
And the libs ignore this man, forget he even existed.
Undrsiege, someone earlier quoted Mr.Billy Joel. I’d like to do likewise.
“You should never argue with a crazy mind”.
There are a few die-hard libs who are so fervant and kool-aid laced that you cannot have discourse. Mr. Freemind, is just such a loon. As I’ve described on this blog before, the garden variety lib, does not care about truth, right or wrong. He cares about winning, LEFT and is never wrong. Winning and power is all that matters. The parsing, and spin is silly. Wright said what he said. Obama listened to what he said, and found deep abiding love and respect for his “crazy uncle” and long time “SPIRITUAL MENTOR”.
I’m not going to question Jesus Obama’s love for Wright. I’m questioning Obama’s CHOICE of “Spiritual mentors”.
Cutting to the chase. If WRIGHT is the kind of man that Obama loves, honors in his book, praises for years, gives tens of thousands of dollars to. SO BE IT.
If William Ayers and his wife Bernadine Dohrn…(SHE’S THE BOMB), are neighbors, fellow board members and FRIENDS. This all CLEARLY INDICATES where Barry “Jesus” O’Bama….is coming from. Barry Obama is 100% political. His books describe his mind set and manipulative techniques. His own words describe him seeking out MARXIST professors. He is what he is.
His methods of gaining power are calculated. But the biggest thing that I find disgusting, is the calculation to be “Racially unifying”. Obama’s entire persona, his entire campaign persona, was ABOUT RACE. It was about portraying himself as A-RACIAL. To be non-race oriented. To be a black man who wasn’t a black man, but a man of the peeps.
It was all a calculated lie.
Michelle Obama certainly hasn’t helped.
2 intelligent, photogenic, angry, millionaires. Living in luxury and pretending to be something they clearly are not.
Unifying.
Add to that, his COMPLETE LACK OF ANY ACHIEVEMENT in politics, and you have………
AMERICAN IDOL.
I’d like to ad a little more context. Remember the Imam in Australia who was fired for saying women without the veil were like ‘uncovered meat’? Well he’s got a new book out concerning his beliefs. Compare this comment about him and his statements to Wright’s. . . it’s almost like a playbook that they both have. . . Maybe they got it from Kadafi:
I am sick and tired of hearing people try to spin/defend Wright’s racism and anti-Americanism.
The insanity meter pegged a long time ago.
Thackery, I’ve seen your words before, and I think you are bright and well spoken. I think.. You GET IT.
In both Wrights and Sheihk Hilali’s case, both want to STAND BEHIND… THE “TRUTH” of what they said, But!! Both know that…..What they said, cannot be defended logically in a free and secular society.
Wright is a complete phony. Wright said things that are CLEAR and not contextual. Hilali said things the he MEANT, but realizes that the PUBLIC may not approve of his ISLAMIC rhetoric. Hilali wants to say it, mean it, but not be judged by those who find it WRONG ABSURD and out of line, in context with a secular society.
Hilali is playing the HARD SCRABBLE GAME of ISLAMOFASCISM.
WRIGHT is trying to DENY, exactly what he said, and exactly what he meant.
His demeanor, BELIES his claim of CONTEXT.
Wright was angry and clear each time he RIPPED, America, Jews, Italians, etc etc etc… He was rabble rousing hatefully. It wasn’t SNIPPETS. His style and demeanor ARE CLEAR.
Purdue/Boilermaker. I agree.
We’ve entered the Bizarro world.
A world where bigots, liars, haters, racists and abjectly filthy individuals are excused and spun…..BECAUSE THEY ARE BLACK or BECAUSE THEY ARE LIBERAL.
The long ago unmasked BIG LIE of Liberal tolerance, still rears it’s ugly head.
freemind25 said #9:
First off, who is this G-d? Are you talking about God? If so let’s consider some facts. 1. The Japanese didn’t worship God in any way shape or form; they worshipped a PERSON, the emperor. 2. The Japanese had a nuke program of their own and there is zero question that they would have used it on us if they had had the chance.
They never got one and I don’t thank G-d for that - I thank GOD for that. I think there are billions of people worldwide that ought to also thank God we won that war to continue to do all the good our country has done since then. I’m not speaking of only directly helping humanity more than any other country but especially indirectly by our continuing to be a beacon of HOPE for every oppressed person on this planet.
So count me as one who not only does NOT question such things at all but one who has faith that God gave the USA the burden of carrying the torch of freedom over 200 years ago and that hate, exactly like that spewn from Rev. Wright, is the only real threat to that flame.
He also talked about people who “cling” to things for comfort, to protect against fear, etc. Gee, guess where Obama got his snobbery.
He still didn’t explain to me why he has to lie about America (and about the Africans who helped in the slave trade then and still do now) in order to heal black people. Yes, it’s hard to be black and to remain optimistic and not angry sometimes, but I prefer Condi’s way or Powell’s way–hard work and courage and a forgiving heart.
Peeps. Obama chose this man. Obama chose his church. The DVD’s are for sale. The Rev.Wright can continue to make a complete ass of himself, or he can apologize to those he has spewed his hate upon. Again…”garlic nosed Eye-Talians” would be a nice start.
Friends. Jeremiah Wright, has NO INTENTION of being a loving pastor. Jeremiah Wright has made his LIVING off the emotions of his FLOCK.
Jesus Obama, our CANDIDATE, has claimed Rev.Wright as his Pastor and his Spiritual mentor. OK! Let’s examine who Jesus Obama CHOSE to be his SPIRITUAL, and RELIGIOUS leader. Who BAPTIZED Mr. Obama’s daughters. What messages was Jeremiah Wright sharing with Barry and Michelle….AND THEIR KIDS.
OK!! IF!!!!! JERRY WRIGHT has been MISCARACHTERIZED and SNIPPETIZED!!!!!!!!
SHOW ME THE DVD LOVE SESSIONS THAT HE SOLD AND PRAISED JESUS, AND DIDN’T HATE OR RACE BAIT IN!!
If Jeremiah Wright has been miscast through SNIPPETS…….maybe he and BARRY O’B. can show us THE REST OF THE STORY!!!
Maybe the MSM was too stupid to make my point!
Peeps. Obama chose this man. Obama chose his church. The DVD’s are for sale. The Rev.Wright can continue to make a complete ass of himself, or he can apologize to those he has spewed his hate upon. Again…”garlic nosed Eye-Talians” would be a nice start.
Friends. Jeremiah Wright, has NO INTENTION of being a loving pastor. Jeremiah Wright has made his LIVING off the emotions of his FLOCK.
Jesus Obama, our CANDIDATE, has claimed Rev.Wright as his Pastor and his Spiritual mentor. OK! Let’s examine who Jesus Obama CHOSE to be his SPIRITUAL, and RELIGIOUS leader. Who BAPTIZED Mr. Obama’s daughters. What messages was Jeremiah Wright sharing with Barry and Michelle….AND THEIR KIDS.
OK!! IF!!!!! JERRY WRIGHT has been MISCARACHTERIZED and SNIPPETIZED!!!!!!!!
SHOW ME THE DVD LOVE SESSIONS THAT HE SOLD AND PRAISED JESUS, AND DIDN’T HATE OR RACE BAIT IN!!
If Jeremiah Wright has been miscast through SNIPPETS…….maybe he and BARRY O’B. can show us THE REST OF THE STORY!!!
Maybe the MSM was too stupid to make my point!
Don’t know how I double posted, but.. again, I’ll ask a question that is quite easy for the MSM to prove or disprove.
If Jeremiah Wright feels the SNIPPETS of his “sermons” have been mischaracterized…….Rev. Wright or any member of the MSM is free to show the Trinity churches DVD’s (for SALE)that showed OTHERWISE.
Hmmmmmm. If Wright is really a good dude who has been misunderstood, and his words were “SNIPPETIZED”, I’m quite sure his POSITIVE-PRO-AMERICA messages will be researched by the MSM!!
Right?
Wow, this shyte is easy.
Hucka-phony defends racist rants of rev wright.
gee, why am I not surprised.
Mark Levin was spot on right about Hucka-phony.
re: context and snippets, hugh h. played extended cuts of rev. wrong’s sermons today. after ~30 [seemed like a LOT more] minutes of painful audio, hugh summed it up rather well — “his request to provide context was; ill-advised”
I would not be surprised to see this fellow Wright run for office, now that he has the national spotlight. Certainly, city council would be a start. If that doesn’t work, some college somewhere will hire him to teach, and pay him well for it too. In the meantime, he’ll do interviews and get paid for speeches. “I’m misunderstood and a victim”.
Play a positive Christian Pro-American message from one of Wrights “pay per View” DVD’s.
I’ll wait.
I’d love to see someone do a reel with Obama’s famous plagiarized “just words” speech, but mix some Jeremiah Wrong quotes in there too.
“I have a dream, just words… We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal, just words… God Damn America, just words… We have nothing to fear but fear itself, just words… The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color, just words… All these words are important, and every American should consider them, and determine what their significance is for themselves.”
L.O.V.E - - H.A.T.E
Tattooed on the knuckles of hand … Robert Mitchum’s iconic Harry Powell, the evil false prophet from 1955’s The Night of the Hunter.
That interview shows the tacky self centered person that ,cough cough pastor is . A finger pointing Racist till the mood hits for the “Oh Me ?” script
Wright is the Jerry Springer of spirituality.
“There is [a] class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs—partly because they want sympathy, and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs… There is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don’t want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public.”—Booker T. Washington in his 1911 book, My Larger Education
I recall folks trying to explain Wright’s racist and post-9/11 rants as only words uttered in the heat of the moment. Yet the videos clearly show him pausing and glancing at his prepared scripts to fire up the faithful.
Wright seemed to be talking similarly about himself when said Obama is only saying what he needs to say; both are just following their revised scripts.
Kind of reminds me of the Palestinian terrorists — they say they want peace & co-exist with Israel when they are talking to Eglinsh-speaking audiences, but when they are talking to their own people in Arabic, they call for Israel’s destruction. Wright has caught on; when talking to Moyers, he is soft-spoken, but to his own people, he is the fiery, anti-American preacher.
Wright is clearly a bigot and a racist.
Period. No argument about context is relevent here. The guy preaches pure hate from his pulpit, which is his 1st Amendment Right.
Like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, He has become wealthy pushing his racist dogma because there is an audience for that tripe. The Victim Card is his hole card.
He is a buffoon but a dangerous one. The best case for revocation of Tax Free Status for Religious Corporations is Wright, Jackson and Sharpton.
Nuff said.
On April 26th, 2008 at 1:39 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:
reckon this is as close to defending a lib as I’ll get. “G-d” is a way to say “God” without writing the whole name as saying the name of God was something the Old Testament Hebrews did once a year. It’s a way of showing respect to the holiness of the name of God.
That being said, it’s curious to see the same libs defending a man who uses God’s name profanely in a sermon damning the country that protects his God given rights and freedoms. It’s also curious (more tragic than curious) to see the same libs not speaking out vociferously against abortion and other abominations against the holiness of God.
It’s been said that acting pious while being unpious is like polishing the outside of a filthy cup or white washing a tomb. It only makes something dead and dirty look pretty when everyone knows otherwise.
I’m Jewish, we are thought never to write the full name of G-d because it is sacred, please have some respect for that. I decided to post on this site because after years of reading the comments I have rarely seen an opposing point of view, I was hoping to have an honest debate on hear. To be frank I am very surprised by the level of hate and vitriol on here. Comparisons of Wright to Bin Laden and very disturbing. Im very curious to see how many who have posted on here have seen Wrights entire speeches in context? Has anyone watched the entire interview with Moyers? I simply cannot believe that so many people on here are so quick to decry the character of a man based on youtube sound bites. Are the same people on here angry and appalled when Jerry Fallwell and Pat Robertson blamed 9/11 on the gays and abortionists and said that we deserved it? Last time I checked these two figures are mainstream fixtures in the religious right. Would you consider them hate mongers? How about Pat Hagee saying that New Orleans was punished by G-d for their evil ways?
“The reinvention of Jeremiah Wright”
Yep. It is amazing to see all the apologist, fellow “racist” and haters rush in to support him too. Of course none of this would be possible without the MSM. After all ‘America’ is the bain of human existence and can only be healed and corrected when we put white people in their place.
As for me, I was upset with Falwell and Robertson as well; however, there is a difference. Wright has the ear and is an advisor to a possible President. He is a direct influence on him and his family. That means he could, very possibly, be an influence on domestic/foreign policy of this country. I don’t hate liberals. I welcome their arguments. But, I don’t approve of name-calling that they use when they run out of emotionally-charged rhetoric because there isn’t any logic in them. It isn’t hate in me, but disgust. I refuse to discuss it further with them. Some on this site do use name-calling. It shows me what they want to present isn’t worth the time to read.
Freemind25, from your Hebrew studies would you also call Jonah a hate monger and place him alongside Paul Hagee? As I recall Jonah was also preaching that God punished people for their evil ways and the people of Ninevah eventually were destroyed. Or do you simply believe that God never punishes evil people in this life?
Maybe you missed it but Pat Robertson met with George Bush prior to the invasion of Iraq for spiritual guidance. This is AFTER he blamed America for the 9/11 attacks.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/19/robertson.bush.iraq/
I don’t believe Wright is a true Preacher. He might have several pieces of paper on his wall saying he is, but no TRUE man Of God would preach what he does. I just can’t understand how people with any sense at all can defend him even a little bit.
freemind25 said:
The kind of racist, anti-American, hate-mongering stuff Wright pedals should evoke righteous anger.
freemind25 said:
Really? Do you realize that in Wright’s “chickens coming home to roost” sermon, he directly compared Osama’s Al Qaeda to America?
freemind25 said:
There are a lot of religious frauds, people using religion for their own purposes. Yes, I get angry when people like Rod Parsley urges his viewers to send $100 to him in order to “unlock God’s blessing” for them in their lives.
I get angry when any preacher (who should know the Bible well enough to know better) claims that some disaster must be God’s punishment for X. The Bible is very clear that sometimes good things happen to evil people, and bad things happen to good people. Not everything bad that happens is a result of that person’s own sin (John 9:-3; Luke 13:4-5).
Getting back to the “context” of Wright’s sermons, any time you want to provide the context that validates the clips that supposedly mischaracterize him, you go right ahead and post it.
Please tell me, what context permits Wright to say things like “Hillary ain’t never been called a n*gg*! Bill’s been good to us? Oh no he ain’t! He did us just like he did Monica Lewinski - riiiiden durty!” Meanwhile, he is acting out the sex act in the pulpit, much to the delight of his audience. Fraud. Hypocrite. To defend him is to expose yourself.
Here you go, I do encourage you to watch both in entirety if you have the time. I absolutely agree with you that some of the things that Wright says are out of line, but to portray these few throwaway lines in his sermons and convey that they are the main message of the sermon is wrong. He should not be saying such things on the pulpit, however they are not his main message.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352661,00.html
Full PBS Interview:
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04252008/watch.html
freemind wrote:
I wonder if you think that the Huffington Post, Daily Kos, or Democrat Underground have enough of an “opposing point of view”.
I will note that this is the website for Michelle Malkin, and thus primarily for her point of view.
Also, if you wanted an “honest debate” maybe your first post in this topic shouldn’t have included a cheap shot at our gracious hostess, Michelle.
The only “hatred and vitriol” here is the words and actions of people like Wright that we are responding to.
Comparisons of Wright and Bin Laden may be disturbing to you, but they are a lot more accurate than Wrights’ comments about how the US government created the AIDS virus to kill blacks.
I’m curious about something too. In order for us to make judgement about Wright we need to listen to every speech he has ever made? Is that the basis for your arguement?
By that arguement, Bin Laden is just misunderstood too. So is Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, and need I go on?
I don’t need to - just like I don’t need to watch a film by Leni Riefenstahl on the subject of Adolph Hitler.
And yes, I am purposefully using these comparisons.
Nobody here is doing that. Oh, I forgot, unless we listen to every minute of every sermon that Wright has ever done then according to you we are taking a few single isolated incidents out of context.
And now you’re playing the moral equivalence game. Don’t go there, you can’t win.
freemind,
Thanks for the post with the full sermon and I do I intend to watch them later. They may not be the point of the sermon but I’ll be suprised if they were taken out of context and in any case have no place in any sermon. Being Jewish perhaps you would be more offended if he gave a sermon in which he directed his hateful comments at Jews. What if he had said the “G-d damned Jewish race” and compared Jews to pigs? Would those still be “throw away line” as so easily dismiss them?
Wright’s whining about his rants being “taken out of context” is a bore. He needs to completely re-tool his act if he wants to move to the next step in his “post-retirement” career. My own advise to the reverend would be to change his tune completely — just say something, like Obama could also say: All my life I’ve been around white people who love that kind of talk. I never realized that there were any white people, except a very few redneck goobers, who would be upset with it.
Look, I’ve got some serious house payments to make. I have to be popular. If you want me to do something different, I will! Why, just the other day I was thinking about having a “White People Appreciation” weekend. Well bring in bus loads of them. Jews and Italians are welcome too — but they have to bring their own garlic (Big grin here).
Finally, a sincere apology to close it out, something like: Yeah, that nuclear stuff about chickens with AIDS, or whatever it was I said, sorry about that, but it was just show-biz.
Liven up the services? I call it purposefully poisioning impressionable minds to make a buck, unconcerned about the effects.
All claims Wright could make to be a man of God were wiped out when he screamed out the lie that whitey created AIDs to kill blacks.
I see very little difference between what goes on in Wrights’ “church”, and radical mosques where they convince young men to fly planes into buildings based on similar lies.
No, it’s pretty clear to anyone not drinking the kool-aid that he’s evil.
People tend to forget that when the story about “rev” wright’s bigotry came out, the sermon cd’s that were available for purchase were suddenly not available for purchase.
I wonder why?
Of course, this is simuliar to the comments michelle obama made and that her Princeton Master’s Thesis suddenly became not available either and the blogsphere made note of her racist comments and that the snobamas went into spin mode.
For the record: I have her thesis and read it, nothing was taken out of context.
GSP
We can argue the minutia of any of Wright’s statements ad nauseam. The simple fact is that he was in a position to uplift people and inspire them to achieve their potential through education and hard work, but instead chose to make them believe they are victims with no control and no options except hate and anger against the government and rich white people.
The earlier mention of Booker T. Washington should really be all you need to know about Wright and his ilk. Race hustlers, keep the peeps bare foot and pregnant, so to speak. If they’re kept ignorant,they won’t see through you. Nice work if you can find it I guess……..
No, it was a good analogy because he was talking about America, which is the the sum of the people living in it. He was talking about you, me, my neighbors, friends, family and everbody else in this great nation. Not some other country or peoples.
It was not a critique of America. It was slap in the face to all of us and now we are supposed to think it was well deserved? This country is always changing and improving, and it does so without hatemongers like Wright to point out our flaws.
Freemind25 (and anyone else)– Where can one get either a transcript or a free viewing of his entire sermons? I agree that the entire sermon should be heard/read, but I still find it hard to believe those pieces of sermon can be cleaned up by the context.
And as for FREEMIND, if I wanted to hear that kind of left-headed thinking, all I have to do is watch MessNBC. Olby and co. are good enablers and apologists too. I got on this site to speak with like minded commenter’s.
If you don’t like our conservative cup of tea,go brew your own pot,freemind……
Freemind, I didn’t miss it. But, Robertson didn’t marry George and Laura, baptize the kids, and be his personal pastor for 20 years. Robertson isn’t as scary as this anti-American is.
#89 Kevin
I was going to suggest checking out Trinity’s website and their book store, but it appears all the wonderful sermons are no longer listed and that the bookstore has closed up shop.
However, there are lots of black pride items and the good reverands talking points that are available.
However—There is a link so you can listen to their services on sunday morning via webcast at 7:30, and 11:30 and at 6:00 pm.
I might have to tune in to see what chickens may come home to roost!
GSP
Lost in all this is this gem Wright told Moyers: “I do what I do. He [Obama] does what politicians do.” With friends like this, …
If you are interested in seeing the sermons in more context and more info on the church see:
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=TRINITYCHGO&p=r
Why does Jim Zumbo come to mind after reading this?
freemind,
If you are interested in reading more about Adolph Hitler in context and more info on Nazi Germany read Mein Kampf
The whole theme of last nights interview was; Rev. Wright does good things and all his snippets are taken out of context. Well Jim Jones was good and his snippets were taken out of context. In charity he gave out free Kool Aid. That’s what these liberals and Wright are dishing out to us–Free Kool Aid distributed by Bill “All Knowing” Moyers.
Birds of a feather flock together……I guess they play blue blues music together too!!!!!!!
So let me get this straight - freemind believes that Adolph Hitler was generally a good person; all the trouble over his was caused only by a few things he said or did that were taken out of context to smear him?
My point, freemind - and I notice how you deliberately missed it - is that I don’t need to read every word of Mein Kampf to know what kind of person Hitler was.
GraniteMan got my point exactly.
As for me being afraid - that’s nothing but projection from you. You’re afraid that people have seen Wright as the kind of person he is, and they don’t like it.
Don’t talk to me about “innocent until proven guilty” either - especially after Wright stood ther and shouted “GD Amerikkka; GD Amerikkka” and how the US gov’t created AIDS to kill black people. It shows you to be a hypocrit.
FOr the record, I never compared Wright to Hitler. All I did was to point out that you don’t need to listen to everything a person has ever said, or read everything a person has ever written to know what kind of a person they are. I chose Hitler to demonstrate that point.
IF you’re a Jew and you’re offended, then guess what? I was offended by what the “reverend” Wright said.
I sure don’t hear you smacking him down.
Mondays Press Club Breakfast may serve Rev. Wright grilled like the ham & bacon. Each time the Rev. speaks he gives the press something to question and a chance to impune his “spiritually-mentored” candidate.
Rev. Wright may come off as the wrongly victimized man of God on Bill Moyers interview, but he can’t and won’t step away from the core tenents of his church.
You’ll find it in the “About Us” page on the Trinity church website, “We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black(my emphasis) and Unapologetically Christian… Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain “true to our native land,” the mother continent, the cradle of civilization.”
Black Pride may seem politically aceptable but it is RACIST! No different than White, Yellow, Red, or Brown Pride. And while it may be shrouded in the guise of Christian love & brotherhood, it still has at it’s heart, the inclusion of some at the exclusion of others…the core of Racism and Bigotry.
So no amount of whitewash, spin, or touchy-feely softball interviews will change the fact that we have a leading Democratic Presidental Candidate who was married, had childern baptised, was spritually mentored, and has 20 years experience in a Church congregation led by a Pastor who unashamedly has ethno-centric beliefs.
Turn this around a bit…we wouldn’t be discussing this at all if all this was about a Church Pastor who headed a Church that was “”…Unashamedly White and Unapologetically Christian…”, with “roots in the White religious experience…” and “who are a European people,” and who “remain true to our native land, the mother continent, the cradle of civilization.”
Bill Moyers, nor anyone else would dare interview him unless to lambase & ridicule. The Church would be the center of a whirlwind of condemnation and rightous indignation by the mainstream media…and no one,who ever claimed to be a church member,and spiritually-mentored would ever, ever, be a candidate for President.
There is a big difference between the two, has Wright even advocated violence. NO. In fact the point of his 9/11 sermon was not to BLAME America but to preach that we should direct our anger in more constructive means than violence. That we should not participate in an eye for an eye. He is preaching the words of the Bible, while on occasion, throwing in his own political views and occasional conspiracy theories. He has an AIDS ministry, community outreach program, rails against gang bangers, encourages children to get an education and stay off drugs. He is an ex marine who helped in caring for Lyndon Johnson when he underwent surgery. So yea, there is a big difference. The main thrust of Wrights works are for good, when he does veer off course it is not by preaching violence, but by saying some politically incorrect stuff, conspiracy theories, and some bad language.
freemind wrote:
If you actually listened to his sermon it DID BLAME AMERIKKA for 9/11.
What part of “YOUR CHICKENS HAVE COME HOME TO ROOST!” didn’t you understand?
He is preaching not the Bible, but “black liberation theology” - as his church has openly admitted!
This is why it is so difficult to have a discussion with someone like you - you read only what you want to read, see only what you want to see, and hear only what you want to hear regardless of what is actually there to be read, seen, or heard. You’re the kind of person Lenin was describing when he coined the term “useful idiots”.
Black Liberation theology IS preaching the bible. African Americans look to the book of Exodus and the struggles escaping bondage in Egypt with the struggles with their oppressors. It is basically applying the teachings of the Bible to the lives and struggles of the African American community. One argument that really stuck me is this:
How could the slave owners on the top of a slave ship and the slaves rowing the boat below be praying to the same G-d? If they are who would G-d listen too?
freemind25, I did watch the whole Moyers interview. And I doubt you will find anyone here more angry about Wright than myself.
Here is an analogy for you:
Suppose I was going to preach a sermon to a predominantly white audience. I know this audience intimately, and many of them harbor a deep resentment, anger, and fear towards black people.
Suppose I decide to use a sermon illustration where black people are involved in a grand conspiracy against white people. It is completely made up, but I know it will get my crowd in an uproar. But remember, this isn’t the main point of my sermon, just an illustration. My sermon is really about nonviolence. It is still hate mongering, anyway you slice it.
Jesus did not do this. Rather than play to the anti-Rome, anti-Gentile, anti-Samaritan sentiment of His Jewish audience, He instead made the Samaritans and the Gentiles the heroes of His stories, and the Priests and Scribes were the villains. He was concerned with making a point, not puffing Himself up by telling people what they wanted to hear.
Jeremiah Wright claims to do the same, except he does tell his audience what they want to hear. In his sermon illustrations, America and “white folks’ greed” is the villain and black people are the victims. He is a fraud.
And if you think replacing “o” with a “-” makes you right with God, you had better think again. Which is more important to God, that you refuse to spell out that word, or that you silently stand by while people slaughter those made in His image?
In this passage, God implicitly recognizes that children in the womb are human lives.
“Black liberation theology” is not the Bible. Useful idiot indeed.
Any good Wright may have done is counteracted by the great evil inflicted upon black communities by him and people like him. His message, based on outright lies about this country, teaches black Americans that they are not responsible for their own destiny. All of their ills are caused by powerful, malevolent white people. Blacks who succeed in making a good life for themselves and their families are denigrated as traitors to their race.
In a way though Reverend Wright provides a useful service. He is a near perfect personification of the cultural illness that has infected black culture in America. A look at him and his teachings provides a snapshot of the culture of under achievement and misplaced blame that cripples his people.
It is a genuine tragedy. Nothing biological makes high achievement difficult for blacks. Rather it is the self perpetuating cycle of hopelessness, where many young blacks simply give up because they are indoctrinated with the idea that success is nearly impossible due to white oppression and any black who does succeed in the “white world” necessarily does so at the expense of poor minorities.
No amount of charity or community activism could even begin to counter the bad done by Jeremiah Wright. His legacy will be that he helped perpetuate continued suffering of lower class blacks in American society.
Wright own explanation for his sermon after 9/11: