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1. #301603
   On April 26th, 2008 at 12:34 pm, josetheguerilla said:

   Moyers and Wright yak about blues music.MM

   Birds of a feather flock together……I guess they play blue blues music together too!!!!!!!

2. #301605
   On April 26th, 2008 at 12:41 pm, JHSII said:

   So let me get this straight – freemind believes that Adolph Hitler was generally a good person; all the trouble over his was caused only by a few things he said or did that were taken out of context to smear him?

   My point, freemind – and I notice how you deliberately missed it – is that I don’t need to read every word of Mein Kampf to know what kind of person Hitler was.
   GraniteMan got my point exactly.

   As for me being afraid – that’s nothing but projection from you. You’re afraid that people have seen Wright as the kind of person he is, and they don’t like it.

   Don’t talk to me about “innocent until proven guilty” either – especially after Wright stood ther and shouted “GD Amerikkka; GD Amerikkka” and how the US gov’t created AIDS to kill black people. It shows you to be a hypocrit.

   FOr the record, I never compared Wright to Hitler. All I did was to point out that you don’t need to listen to everything a person has ever said, or read everything a person has ever written to know what kind of a person they are. I chose Hitler to demonstrate that point.

   IF you’re a Jew and you’re offended, then guess what? I was offended by what the “reverend” Wright said.
   I sure don’t hear you smacking him down.

3. #301608
   On April 26th, 2008 at 12:46 pm, Bob in Myrtle Beach said:

   Mondays Press Club Breakfast may serve Rev. Wright grilled like the ham & bacon. Each time the Rev. speaks he gives the press something to question and a chance to impune his “spiritually-mentored” candidate.

   Rev. Wright may come off as the wrongly victimized man of God on Bill Moyers interview, but he can’t and won’t step away from the core tenents of his church.

   You’ll find it in the “About Us” page on the Trinity church website, “We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black(my emphasis) and Unapologetically Christian… Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain “true to our native land,” the mother continent, the cradle of civilization.”

   Black Pride may seem politically aceptable but it is RACIST! No different than White, Yellow, Red, or Brown Pride. And while it may be shrouded in the guise of Christian love & brotherhood, it still has at it’s heart, the inclusion of some at the exclusion of others…the core of Racism and Bigotry.

   So no amount of whitewash, spin, or touchy-feely softball interviews will change the fact that we have a leading Democratic Presidental Candidate who was married, had childern baptised, was spritually mentored, and has 20 years experience in a Church congregation led by a Pastor who unashamedly has ethno-centric beliefs.

   Turn this around a bit…we wouldn’t be discussing this at all if all this was about a Church Pastor who headed a Church that was “”…Unashamedly White and Unapologetically Christian…”, with “roots in the White religious experience…” and “who are a European people,” and who “remain true to our native land, the mother continent, the cradle of civilization.”

   Bill Moyers, nor anyone else would dare interview him unless to lambase & ridicule. The Church would be the center of a whirlwind of condemnation and rightous indignation by the mainstream media…and no one,who ever claimed to be a church member,and spiritually-mentored would ever, ever, be a candidate for President.

4. #301612
   On April 26th, 2008 at 12:49 pm, freemind25 said:

   So let me get this straight – freemind believes that Adolph Hitler was generally a good person; all the trouble over his was caused only by a few things he said or did that were taken out of context to smear him?

   There is a big difference between the two, has Wright even advocated violence. NO. In fact the point of his 9/11 sermon was not to BLAME America but to preach that we should direct our anger in more constructive means than violence. That we should not participate in an eye for an eye. He is preaching the words of the Bible, while on occasion, throwing in his own political views and occasional conspiracy theories. He has an AIDS ministry, community outreach program, rails against gang bangers, encourages children to get an education and stay off drugs. He is an ex marine who helped in caring for Lyndon Johnson when he underwent surgery. So yea, there is a big difference. The main thrust of Wrights works are for good, when he does veer off course it is not by preaching violence, but by saying some politically incorrect stuff, conspiracy theories, and some bad language.

5. #301615
   On April 26th, 2008 at 12:57 pm, JHSII said:

   freemind wrote:

   In fact the point of his 9/11 sermon was not to BLAME America but to preach that we should direct our anger in more constructive means than violence.

   If you actually listened to his sermon it DID BLAME AMERIKKA for 9/11.

   What part of “YOUR CHICKENS HAVE COME HOME TO ROOST!” didn’t you understand?

   He is preaching not the Bible, but “black liberation theology” – as his church has openly admitted!

   This is why it is so difficult to have a discussion with someone like you – you read only what you want to read, see only what you want to see, and hear only what you want to hear regardless of what is actually there to be read, seen, or heard. You’re the kind of person Lenin was describing when he coined the term “useful idiots”.

6. #301642
   On April 26th, 2008 at 1:17 pm, freemind25 said:

   The message of black theology is that the African American struggle for liberation is consistent with the gospel–every theological statement must be consistent with, and perpetuate, the goals of liberation. This theology maintains that African Americans must be liberated from multiple forms of bondage—social, political, economic and religious. This liberation involves empowerment and seeks the right of self-definition, self-affirmation and self-determination.

   Black Liberation theology IS preaching the bible. African Americans look to the book of Exodus and the struggles escaping bondage in Egypt with the struggles with their oppressors. It is basically applying the teachings of the Bible to the lives and struggles of the African American community. One argument that really stuck me is this:

   How could the slave owners on the top of a slave ship and the slaves rowing the boat below be praying to the same G-d? If they are who would G-d listen too?

7. #301654
   On April 26th, 2008 at 1:26 pm, Trollman said:

   freemind25, I did watch the whole Moyers interview. And I doubt you will find anyone here more angry about Wright than myself.

   Here is an analogy for you:

   Suppose I was going to preach a sermon to a predominantly white audience. I know this audience intimately, and many of them harbor a deep resentment, anger, and fear towards black people.

   Suppose I decide to use a sermon illustration where black people are involved in a grand conspiracy against white people. It is completely made up, but I know it will get my crowd in an uproar. But remember, this isn’t the main point of my sermon, just an illustration. My sermon is really about nonviolence. It is still hate mongering, anyway you slice it.

   Jesus did not do this. Rather than play to the anti-Rome, anti-Gentile, anti-Samaritan sentiment of His Jewish audience, He instead made the Samaritans and the Gentiles the heroes of His stories, and the Priests and Scribes were the villains. He was concerned with making a point, not puffing Himself up by telling people what they wanted to hear.

   Jeremiah Wright claims to do the same, except he does tell his audience what they want to hear. In his sermon illustrations, America and “white folks’ greed” is the villain and black people are the victims. He is a fraud.

   And if you think replacing “o” with a “-” makes you right with God, you had better think again. Which is more important to God, that you refuse to spell out that word, or that you silently stand by while people slaughter those made in His image?

   If men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she gives birth prematurely, yet there is no injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman’s husband may demand of him, and he shall pay as the judges decide. But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life. Exodus 21:22-23

   In this passage, God implicitly recognizes that children in the womb are human lives.

8. #301656
   On April 26th, 2008 at 1:29 pm, JHSII said:

   “Black liberation theology” is not the Bible. Useful idiot indeed.

9. #301742
   On April 26th, 2008 at 3:16 pm, ADyer said:

   Any good Wright may have done is counteracted by the great evil inflicted upon black communities by him and people like him. His message, based on outright lies about this country, teaches black Americans that they are not responsible for their own destiny. All of their ills are caused by powerful, malevolent white people. Blacks who succeed in making a good life for themselves and their families are denigrated as traitors to their race.

   In a way though Reverend Wright provides a useful service. He is a near perfect personification of the cultural illness that has infected black culture in America. A look at him and his teachings provides a snapshot of the culture of under achievement and misplaced blame that cripples his people.

   It is a genuine tragedy. Nothing biological makes high achievement difficult for blacks. Rather it is the self perpetuating cycle of hopelessness, where many young blacks simply give up because they are indoctrinated with the idea that success is nearly impossible due to white oppression and any black who does succeed in the “white world” necessarily does so at the expense of poor minorities.

   No amount of charity or community activism could even begin to counter the bad done by Jeremiah Wright. His legacy will be that he helped perpetuate continued suffering of lower class blacks in American society.

10. #301808
    On April 26th, 2008 at 5:10 pm, freemind25 said:

    Wright own explanation for his sermon after 9/11:

    REVEREND WRIGHT: Yes, I did. I was trying to show how people- how the anger- and we felt anger. I felt anger. I felt hurt. I felt pain. In fact, September 11th, I was in Newark. September 11th, I was trapped in Newark ’cause when they shut down the air system I couldn’t get back to Chicago. September 11th, I looked out the window and saw the second plane hit from my hotel window. Alright, I had members who lost loved ones both at the Pentagon and at the World Trade Center. So, I know the pain. And I had to preach to them Sunday. I had to preach. They came to church wanting to know where is God in this. And so, I had to show them using that Psalm 137, how the people who were carried away into slavery were very angry, very bitter, moved and in their anger from wanting revenge against the armies that had carried them away to slavery, to the babies. That Psalm ends up sayin’ “Let’s kill the baby-let’s bash their heads against the stone.” So, now you move from revolt and revulsion as to what has happened to you, to you want revenge. You move from anger with the military to taking it out on the innocents. You wanna kill babies. That’s what’s going on in Psalm 137. And that’s exactly where we are. We want revenge. They wanted revenge. God doesn’t wanna leave you there, however. God wants redemption. God wants wholeness. And that’s the context, the biblical context I used to try to get people sitting again, in that sanctuary on that Sunday following 9/11, who wanted to know where is God in this? What is God saying? What is God saying? Because I want revenge.

    REVEREND WRIGHT: The people of faith have moved from the hatred of armed enemies, these soldiers who captured the king, those soldiers who slaughtered his son and put his eyes out, the soldiers who sacked the city, burned the towns, burned the temples, burned the towers, and moved from the hatred for armed enemies to the hatred of unarmed innocents, the babies, the babies . “Blessed are they who dash your baby’s brains against a rock.” And that my beloved is a dangerous place to be. Yet, that is where the people of faith are in 551 BC and that is where far too many people of faith are in 2001 AD. We have moved from the hatred of armed enemies to the hatred of unarmed innocents. We want revenge. We want paybacks and we don’t care who gets hurt in the process.

11. #301816
    On April 26th, 2008 at 5:26 pm, Concerned Citizen said:

    #15 Blind Mule,
    I guess that sort of says a lot about a preacher that breaks one of the Ten Commandments by taking the Lord’s name in vain in a church. It also says a lot about the congregation that cheers him for doing so. I guess that whole “love thy neighbor” part is missing from the Holy Bible, Democrat edition.

    Out of curiousity, my ancestors fought for the North in the Civil War. Shouldn’t I get some sort of free pass on the racism thing?

12. #301836
    On April 26th, 2008 at 6:08 pm, jsr said:

    freemind-the explanation from Wright you posted looks like pure BS to me. The most obvious:

    In fact, September 11th, I was in Newark. September 11th, I was trapped in Newark ’cause when they shut down the air system I couldn’t get back to Chicago. September 11th, I looked out the window and saw the second plane hit from my hotel window.

    He was trapped in his hotel in N.J. when the planes hit? The air system was shut down after they hit, not before!

    You move from anger with the military to taking it out on the innocents. You wanna kill babies.

    Who is he talking about? I don’t remember anybody wanting to kill innocents or babies.

    And that’s the context, the biblical context I used to try to get people sitting again, in that sanctuary on that Sunday following 9/11, who wanted to know where is God in this?

    I really don’t see anything in this whole explanation that explains the “coming home to roost” statement or provides any context for it. Still, I am going to look over the sermons to see what the hell he was talking about.

13. #301843
    On April 26th, 2008 at 6:23 pm, JHSII said:

    More of the same from Wright posted by freemind, and more of freemind trying to explain it as something it isn’t.

    When you can think for yourself freemind, you’ll have some credibility.

14. #301905
    On April 26th, 2008 at 8:01 pm, jimC said:

    I am so sick and tired of the absolute moral authority card. I’m glad Wright served his country as a Marine… that’s great. However, Hitler served Germany in the military as well. He was still a sick disgusting racist.

    Jim C

15. #301994
    On April 26th, 2008 at 10:33 pm, Trollman said:

    Some more “out of context” quotes from Jeremiah Wright’s sermons:

    We say that God will bless the shock and awe as we take over, unilaterally, another country, calling it a coalition government, we’ve got three guys from Australia, going against the United Nations, going against the majority of Christians, Muslims and Jews throughout the world, making a preemptive strike in the name of God. We cannot see, however, what we are doing is the same thing al Qaeda is doing under a different colored flag, calling on the name of a different God to sanction and approve our murder and our mayhem.

    We believe God approves of 6% of the people on the face of this Earth, controlling all of the resources on the face of this Earth, while the other 94% live in poverty and squalor, while we give trillions of dollars of tax breaks to the white rich.

    Our money says In God We Trust, and our military says we will kill you under the orders of our commander-in-chief if you dare to believe otherwise.

    The government still thinks a woman has no rights over her own body, and between Uncle Clarence, who sexually harrassed Anita Hill, and a closeted Klan Court that is a throwback to the 19th Century, hand-picked by Daddy Bush, Ronald Reagan, Gerald Ford, between Clarence and that stacked Court, they’re about to undo Roe V. Wade, just like they’re about to undo affirmative action.

    The government lied about Pearl Harbor. They knew the Japanese were going to attack.

    The government lied about adventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color.

    If they don’t find them some weapons of mass destruction, they’re going to do just like the LAPD, and plant them some weapons of mass destruction. Governments lie. (applause)

16. #302115
    On April 27th, 2008 at 2:01 am, BrianNY said:

    Jeremiah Wright said:

    In fact, September 11th, I was in Newark. September 11th, I was trapped in Newark ’cause when they shut down the air system I couldn’t get back to Chicago. September 11th, I looked out the window and saw the second plane hit from my hotel window.

    I’m throwing a flag on this one. I think he made it up after seeing a documentary on a few air-traffic controllers in the tower at Newark-Liberty who tracked the radar and saw the second plane hit.

    Wright had a one in four chance of looking out of a hotel window, fourteen miles from the WTC, and then get an unobstructed view of the South Tower (through the Newark and Jersey City skylines)when most people hadn’t even turned a television on yet?

    Sorry, but his story is too improbable. And I can’t believe Bill Moyers (a journalist who actually lives in New Jersey) didn’t follow up on this whopper of a tale.

17. #302239
    On April 27th, 2008 at 10:44 am, Kevin K. said:

    Thanks for those who pointed me to the more complete versions of Wright’s sermons. I am working my way through them as time and digestion allow. However, I still do not find that the context cleans up some of the statements–as perfectly good examples could have been found that would be both emotional AND non-race-baiting/ non-hateful. (I liked the delivery of the first part of his “governments change” sermon until he got to the damning part–that was most unnecessary and took away from his argument.)

    While the United States has not been perfect, over the years we have managed to undo the worst errors, although at great cost. Wright should give credit to the citizenry as a whole for that.

18. #302634
    On April 27th, 2008 at 10:16 pm, scottthong said:

    An excellent article on Obama’s racism and socialism… From a descendant of WHITE immigrants.

    http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2008/04/a_slavic_americ.html