Hey, John McCain: Have you bothered watching the ad you condemned yet?; NYTimes piles on
Did you know that John McCain lambasted the North Carolina GOP’s anti-Obama/Jeremiah Wright ad without having seen it?
Yes, this noxious little tidbit was tucked into an AP story three days ago when the controversy broke and has been little remarked upon since. When I mentioned this fact at the Pennsylvania Leadership Conference dinner last night, much of the audience gasped. Obviously, the word hasn’t gotten out there enough:
The ad opens with a photo of Obama and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright together and a clip of Wright, whose incendiary comments about race have bedeviled Obama.
“He’s just too extreme for North Carolina,” the narrator says in the 30-second spot. “We asked them not to run it,” McCain told reporters traveling with him in Kentucky. “I’m sending them an e-mail as we speak asking them to take it down.
“I don’t know why they do it. Obviously, I don’t control them, but I’m making it very clear, as I have a couple of times in the past, that there’s no place for that kind of campaigning, and the American people don’t want it,” McCain said.
McCain said the ad was described to him: “I didn’t see it, and I hope that I don’t see it.”
Let me repeat that:
“I didn’t see it, and I hope that I don’t see it.”
He didn’t bother to watch the 41-second video before his campaign leaned on the NC GOP to withdraw it.
He doesn’t want to see it, lest he sully his delicate eyes.
Yet, he’s so indignantly sure “that there’s no place for that kind of campaigning.”
And then he has the gall to turn around and knock Obama’s elitism.
Congratulations, Sen. McCain: You’ve out-snobbed Snobama.
Yes, without having seen the ad or talked directly to the NC GOP officials, he’s absolutely convinced that he’s right about his knee-jerk assessment of their supposedly bigoted motives.
McCain Math is the same as MSM Math: Southern + Republican + video featuring radical leftists who happen to be black = RACISTRACISTRACISTRACISTDANGERWILLROBINSON!
Naturally, McCain’s New York Times editorial board endorsers at the NYTimes were happy to oblige and pile on with a Pavlovian editorial this morning calling the ad racist and divisive, “shameful and ugly.” Congratulations for giving your friends at the NYTimes the rope to hang North Carolina Republicans, Sen. McCain:
The assertion that Mr. Obama is “just too extreme for North Carolina” is a clear bid to stir bigotry in a Southern state…Senator McCain was right when he said, of the new ad, that “there’s no place for that kind of campaigning — and the American people don’t want it, period.”
Now he needs to get his party to listen.
Here’s the vid from yesterday’s Today Show interview with McCain that I blogged about yesterday:
The transcript:
VIEIRA: Okay. I want to switch gears here and talk about the latest controversy. It’s over an ad in North Carolina coming two weeks before the Democratic primary.
VOICE OVER: For 20 years, Barack Obama sat in his pew, listening to his pastor.
REVEREND JEREMIAH WRIGHT: And then wants us to sing God bless America? No, no, no.
VIEIRA: The ad says, quote, “just too extreme for North Carolina.” Now, you have called this ad degrading and you’ve asked the state party to pull it. But so far, they’ve refused to do that. Why do you think they’re not listening to you, a? And why do you believe they would continue to raise questions about Senator Obama’s patriotism?
McCAIN: They’re not listening to me because they’re out of touch with reality in the Republican party. We are the party of Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan, and this kind of campaigning is unacceptable. I have said that. It will harm the Republicans’ cause. And I’ve done everything that I can to repudiate and to see that this kind of campaigning does not continue. I have engaged in and will continue a respectful campaign of either Senator Obama or Senator Clinton.
VIEIRA: Senator Obama said if you wanted to, you could get that ad pulled because you are, after all, the nominee and the standard bearer. So if you can’t get the ad pulled, does it raise any questions about your leadership?
McCAIN: I don’t know exactly how to respond to that, except that I would hope that Senator Obama would repudiate and apologize for his remarks concerning the heartland of America where his elitist remarks indicated that people who are hardworking dedicated people, who harbor traditional values and principles and value their religion and the Second Amendment of the Constitution would not be treated in an elitist fashion. I hope he’ll apologize for that.
How about you apologize first, Sen. McCain, for running to the liberal media to once again trash conservatives as racists for exposing hard truths about the hard Left?
Not bloody likely.
***
Following the cue of McCain and Howard Dean, there are now two TV stations who refuse to play the ad because it is “offensive.”
Always happy to show it here again (with a reminder that the NCGOP could use your financial support):
Meanwhile, McCain continues to give himself special dispensation to challenge Obama’s relationship with Weather Underground radical Bill Ayers.
Because, you see, raising questions about a Radical of Color is “not appropriate and unhelpful,” but raising questions about a Radical of Pallor is McCain-tested and RNC-approved.
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I think McCain is a Democrat. Except he is for our military.
Can’t we get something started here, to express to McCain both our esteem for his military heroism AND our hopes for the future?
Why not just turn up at every McCain rally , at every McCain Meet-and-Greet, every McCain fundraiser, every McCain interview to the antique news media, and begin chanting:
“William Henry Harrison! William Henry Harrison! William Henry Harrison! William Henry Harrison! William Henry Harrison! William Henry Harrison! William Henry Harrison! William Henry Harrison! William Henry Harrison! William Henry Harrison! William Henry Harrison! William Henry Harrison! William Henry Harrison! William Henry Harrison! William Henry Harrison!”
That is close to done now, and may be before Bush leaves.
This whole story has me feeling like this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/buddah/2412932749/
I think McCain still suffers from the residual effects of Stockholm syndrome. Why else would he make such concessions to Democrats unwittingly?
Stockholm syndrome is a psychological response sometimes seen in an abducted hostage, in which the hostage shows signs of loyalty to the hostage-taker (it was the Vietcong now psychologically transferred to Democrats), regardless of the danger in which the hostage has been placed.
Hateful Nut #1 is John McCain.
Undrsiege, please take a look at #176.
Papie Louie, another great post at 198!
Yea, Papie, I’ve seen this movie before. A few times.
Upthread aways I mentioned Larry King among the usual suspects braying “racism.” I thought at the time that that might mystify some of our younger friends. Larry started mellowing out as soon as he got his gig on CNN. I am sure it pleased his producers, and he loved schmoozing big names like Nancy Reagan. In fact, you could not possibly be too far right for Larry to be your pal if you were a power player.
But I remember Larry from his years doing late-night talk radio. In those days, all a regular caller had to do was to be from the south and say anything at all for King to snarl at him, “Are you a bigot, sir?” Gawd, I hate that SOB. And back in those days, too, Teddy Kennedy was as bad as Al Sharpton, but with none of the Reverend Al’s “sense of humor.” Kennedy would propose something in the senate, and — no matter what it was — anybody who didn’t support it was a bigot. And Kennedy would get all red in his jowly face and got nuts on the Senate floor denouncing the bigots. I’m speaking of around 1990 here, by which time I was ~already~ an old man. {grin} And I remember Bill Moyers posing as an analyst for CBS during a non-presidential election year. A couple of early returns came in looking good for the GOP and Moyers said, “When you see the South voting Republican like this, that’s racism.”
And, of course, I very well remember the NC add taking a shot at affirmative action that was universally condemned in the MSM as “racist.” To speak against any proposed civil rights “rememdy” was to automatically be considered a racist. And if you were a southerner, you hardly got to speak before you were slammed.
It seems like I’ve been putting up with this crap all my life. Actually, I don’t think it is as bad now as it was a decade or two ago. Chris Matthews was hissing about the “racist” NCGOP ad the other day and ALL THREE of his LIBERAL guests (from Salon, Wash. Post, and Politico) disagreed with him! But there are always panderers like McCain and Lindsey Graham who think there are still a few more votes to be had exposing bigots.
Isn’t it great that we can all can communicate now and have the satisfaction and real political power that comes from publicly calling these jerks to account?!
McCain is not only an arrogant jerk. He is an ignorant fool, as well. He has no idea what he has inserted his mouth into the middle of. He just can not imagine how unfond southern Republicans are of being branded racists.
The Republican party is dead.
They forgot, somewhere along the way, that they’re not our masters. The leadership treats us EXACTLY how the folks at DU characterize us. We’re just a bunch of dumb old ignorant racist hayseeds that need to be told how to inhale or we’d all keel over dead. Oh….and send us money and vote the way we tell you.
It’s like being in a freaking labor union!
They haven’t receive one penny from me this election cycle and they won’t get any in the future unless the party has some sort of epiphany soon.
On April 26th, 2008 at 4:33 pm, flenser said:
who else will go on the record here and admit that the death of McCain would make them happy?
I will go on record as “No ones death makes me happy.”
just as I make judgments about Obama and the company he keeps, Wright and Ayers,
I also make judgments about McCain and the company he keeps, Hernandez and McKinnon
They have called me for money twice, I told them approximantly the same thing and hung up the phone. It seems they are slow in getting the message.
#183: Please don’t bring that kind of talk in here. Love McCain or hate him, that’s over the line.
You really think McCain was loyal to the Vietcong? Seriously, what is wrong with some of you people? It’s sickening to see the kooks this website has begun to attract.
Those of you who have stated variations of: “…it almost seems as if he wants to destroy the Republican Party…”. Yes, he does.
Remember: we’re talking abt a man who was so angry w/his party, feeling his “due” was stolen from him, that he crafted that abomination of a bill McCain-Fiengold.
Now, you expect a Lefty to try to destroy the 1st Admendment — they believe that it was mis-written: it’s only supposed to apply to them and its all about sexual speech anyway — but McCain saw it as an opprotunity to destroy the party that denied him what he wanted!.
Our current hobson’s choice decends from that, partially due to the increased power that devolved to MSM from the law.
We know he didn’t really believe in the bill, as such: he’s within an ace of multiple violations as we speak.
And so it goes.
- musculus
See-dubya, what do you think of #165?
Johnny Mac doesn’t want to appear to be a racist. Then who was that who said GOOK in San Francisco, his evil twin brother?
#182: RIC,
Are you a naturalized, female, asian, USAF Officer stationed in NJ?
By that, I mean: are you my wife? Or did you crib her “trash people uninformed about McLoser” notes? {grin}
If you aren’t, you sound so much like her, I find myself half serious…
Humor aside, though…
Your recitation is excellent, the only improvement would be to add foot/endnotes to cite your sources and turn it into a column. I’ve not seen a more complete listing of McCain’s perfidity at any of the sites I’ve been to…
- musculus
PS: is anyone else unable to get the {preview} button to work?
- musculus
Yeah, #165 is way over the line too. Get that crap out of here. I’m sure they’ll love it at HuffPo, but that’s grotesque.
Learn the art of humor and nuance. You have to know what Stockholm syndrome is first before you react like a truck driver. Hell, I guess I could assert McCain is suffering the residual effects of Stockholm syndrome for the concessions he tried to make with illegal aliens before he got his a$$ handed to him. In any event, I doubt McCain was loyal to the Vietcong. Why else would he keep referring to them as “gooks” to this very day?
So, lemme’ see, if I got this straight…
Michelle is incensed, ’cause McCain won’t climb into the sh!t-hole, with the other two pigs?
That, and $4.00, will get you a Latte at Starbucks.
As a spouse of an active-duty, 2nd extension tour in Iraq, USAF O-4, let me tell you: I’ve talk and have talked to lots of Warriors w/a lot of years. David Hackworth wasn’t the first, nor the last to question McCain’s service, (which explain McCain’s SBVets comment).
Also, if that don’t light the bulb over your head, ask yourself this:
where was this “hawkish” senitor when Clinton Inc. was cutting the [expletive deleted] out of the Armed Services? Quiet as a field mouse…
(nb: guys, if i’m brusk, sorry don’t mean the tone — hard day, pain meds aren’t helping so much… and the D*** PDA is acting flakey…
- m)
- musculus
Age is a hollow issue nowadays and it’s really pathetic that’s all the Dems got for ammo. We live in an age where 70 is the new 60 and 60 is the new 50. Heck, I just read about a woman who celebrated here 115th birthday and she looked better than Jane Fonda. People aren’t stupid, they won’t fall for it.
I doubt that’s the case. McCain will unleash on O’bama when the time is right. Just like he did on Romney! Remember that one where he yanked the rug from underneath Romney on the Iraq time table quote. McCain has a little more “Sun Tsu” going for him than Dem pukes.
I remember McLiar lying his butt off, yes. But he only behaves that way with Republicans.
I suppose his defense of John Kerry was also all part of some cunning plan on McCains part.
Somebody has a reading comprehension problem. It’s McCains trashing of other Republicans for pointing out the facts about the Dems which has people enraged.
what John McCain really meant at the CPAC convention was “I am (today only) a conservative”
tomorrow I go back to slandering the NC GOP, and placating the liberal opponents of this country.
Well, according to this:
McCain is only half in the sh!t-hole, instead of all the way.
On April 26th, 2008 at 5:47 pm, franksalterego said:
Bingo.
It amazes me, all of the right-leaning conservatives who are complaining that he is “too nice” and howling for him to be all mean and nasty when it suits their purpose… when just one month ago, they were complaining that his temper is too nasty to represent them because it offends their sacred fundamentalist sensibilities.
The hypocrisy is glaring.
Make up your minds, people.
This is exactly why McCain appeals to so many people, and it’s why he won the nomination. People are sick and tired of the gridlock in Washington that comes from arrogant fundamentalists and arrogant liberals butting heads on any and every issue. They’re ready to put people into office who actually KNOW how to behave with both manners and civility, and reach across the aisle to get things done.
I’m still voting McCain, because I won’t allow an anti-military (D)em socialist to be elected to the office of POTUS and make lifetime appointments to the Supreme Court as long as I’m physically able to cast a ballot. It’s sadly obvious that Michelle and many of her stubborn, arrogant fundamentalist respondants won’t be.
It’s tragic that there are those in our country who will watch our military pulled out of the Middle East prematurely (knowing that it will result in a bloodbath), stand by and allow someone to be elected who will utterly trash the Supreme Court for generations to come, restructure our government permanently to fit a Socialist agenda, and jeopardize our national security. All so that they can “make a point”.
It’s the absolute epitome of stupidity and arrogance, IMO, but… ah well. We each have to look at ourselves in the mirror each morning and make peace with our choices. Up to and including accepting the blood on our hands for the lost lives of innocents.
I’m all for forward thinking in this election, not backward thinking. Clearly, it’s not going to happen here at MM… disappointing, but not surprising.
Right…Stockholm syndrome.
Stockholm McCain
I hope America is getting ready for its potato peel and mud water diet.
The name calling will now commence.
Have at it, folks.
Gladly.
I question McCain’s judgment in bashing his allies and going easy on radical nuts like Wright. His legendary temper and meanness always seems to surface in reaction to his fellow Republicans and never against his Dem buddies like Teddy Kennedy.
I don’t know how I’ll vote in November. I don’t want a president Obama or Hillary, but McCain seems relentlessly eager to alienate me and most of his conservative base. And speaking only for myself, I don’t intend to sit here meekly and take it. It’s a free country, and I don’t have to like the guy.
And I don’t.
At all.
Has it occurred to you, that in the instance of the Wright controversy, if McCain jumps in, it could be construed as “racist”…In the case of Ayers and Dohrn, it can’t
see the difference?
Irish Rose said:
I have made up my mind. I want McCain to be tough with those who oppose conservative principles, and not pick fights and cuss out people who stand up for them.
#230 Irish Rose:
Supreme Court? Don’t make me laugh, (seriously, it hurts…)
Let me plug in my crystal ball, here… there we go, lets turn to the McCain channel:
McCain will;
1) tap a person, somewhat conservative, but blatently unqualified.
2) his fellow RINO non-conservs, (Snow, Specter, et al…), along w/the Dumocrups will scream bloody-moiuder.
3) McDisgrace will then offer up Kennedy’s choice… while looking into the camera and waxing smug on “reaching across the isle” and the beauty of bipartizin-chip[sic].
While I’ve got my cystal ball plugged-in, you have another McCain question? If not, I’m off to check the football scores…
- musculus
you mean another “compassionate” conservative like Bush who has screwed up the conservative cause and lost the majority in Congress and is rated lower than any pres in memory?
I want a “passionate” president
not a com-passionate one
we all see what that got us.
giving respect to liberal America-trashers just blurs the line between right and wrong. (or Wright and right)
Addendum to #234
In other words, attacking the Ayres/Dohrn connection, only puts McCain in the sh!t-hole, up to his ankles…Attacking, over the Wright controversy, puts him in over his neck.
I did.
#230 from Irish Rose is complete rubbish, so transparently so that it is not even amusing as bait.
Fact: Liberal/Democrats are predictable…We know what they’ll do, before they do it…In fact, we know what they’ll do, before they know.
Knowing that predictability, gives McCain an advantage.
That’s why McCain is choosing one battle over another.
McCain wants to be welcoming to all liberals.
and you know what you get when you are a welcome mat?
that’s right, people walk all over you
You, obviously, haven’t read the Karl Rove Play-book.
I have no problem with him having a temper as I defended him when others attacked him for it. My problem in this instance is not so much his ‘holier than thou’ approach, but the fact that this ad had nothing to do with him. The NC GOP didn’t ask him to say ‘I’m John McCain and I approved this ad’. . . it wasn’t about McCain at all.
McCain stuck his nose in where it didn’t belong. THAT is the problem. He’s a military guy who expects when he gives an order it gets followed. The problem is that in a democracy that turns free thinking rugged individual conservative VOTERS like myself completely off.
I wouldn’t expect him to say he liked the ad. I wouldn’t expect him to comment on the ad at all. It had nothing to do with him. Liddy Dole responded appropriately with ‘no comment’ because the ad has nothing to do with me. I never thought I’d say that the Republican presidential nominee could learn a thing or two from Dole. . . but she knows the state, and she knows that she’s better off saying nothing than pissing everybody off.
McCain hasn’t figured out how to say nothing when it doesn’t involve him. These D gubernatorial candidates have flooded the airwaves with ads. We all know who they are and what they stand for. I’m glad to start seeing GOP ads as we have some strong candidates. Our state government has been overrun by absurdly corrupt Democrats with poor judgment (several of them are currently in jail). We’d like to see more responsibility in government and less wasted spending. This ad was appropriate on all fronts and McCain had no right, or business telling NC what we can or can not do - especially condemning the ad before he even saw it.
If he goes against Obama in the general, the NAACP will eat his lunch, and I will agree with the NAACP (whatever they say) and laugh at McCain while he gets angry over the mis characterizations and railroading of his candidacy.
screw Karl Rove and his illegal alien pandering crap
Karl Rove: “Pick your controversies wisely…And, always make sure, you are on the right side of the issue…Never choose a controversy, where you can end up on the wrong side.”
Chapter 4, Section 13
MM, you do realize that the ad has now got not ~10x, but more like ~50x more exposure than it ever did thanks to JSM’s principled stand which has been blown waaay out of proportion by your spiteful jabs which, frankly, are beginning to take on a childish air.
/whatevs, your sandbox i suppose …
//apparently the local MDS sufferers don’t see to be tiring of it either, for whatever reason …
like I said. screw karl rove.
he was completely on the wrong side of the illegal alien issue. he tried to stab the American people in the back.
so he can’t even follow his own advice.
again, screw him, and his open borders, pro-mexico policies
Having trouble, staying on topic, are we?
rds; a subset of mds …
screw franksaltered state and his McCain pandering crap
on topic enough for you pal?
heh,heh,heh
Wadda’ ya’ think, Buck?
Looks like Joe has let the cat outta’ the bag.
heh,heh
#221. I know what Stockholm syndrome is, and I’m sorry, but I had no idea you were joking. You know there are conspiracy nuts who spout that stuff all the time, and they’ve shown up here on this blog before. I thought you were one of those guys.
i’m gonna predict j6p not only has mds & rds, but he has that particular strain of bds that obviates any & all accompishments of the man because he didn’t erect razor wire along every inch of the rio grande on 9/12/01 …
Just like I said previously…They’re predictable
juliesa said:
s’all right shuga, keeps a guy like me on his toes.
John McCain is Chappaquiddick Ted’s mouth piece. Or to put it a different PC way, McCain needs to know where his mouth is.
Looks like a lot of people here have mmds - Michelle Malkin derangement syndrome.
Yep, McCain is our man, nothing makes for conservative justices like McCain + Democrat Senate. LOL
Seriously, with a Democrat Senate, there is no way we can get a Justice worth having.
Withdrawing from Iraq? It has already slipped out that the Democrats’ posturing is a lie.
There is just no way we will take back Congress with a president McCain.
# 259
you talkin’ to me, chump?!
gee, let’s all watch little frank and buck, or is that brank and F—, well anyway, let’s all watch them snicker like little schoolboys about their love for Juan McPain, and their disgust for anybody who criticizes their god from Arizona
or are you guys really juan hernandez and McKinnon in disguise?
That was good starlightwoman #204
it may boggle your very small mind, but there are those of us on the right who choose to look at the positive rather than wring our hands in perpetual gloom and doom …
hence we’ve looked at the FACTS in front of us, and choose to support JSM in this year’s election. No amount of your incessant, emotional shrieking is going to change that.
You wanna’ talk about Immigration?
Amnesty was put to bed, a long time ago, due to the public out-cry.
Now, you’re just beatin’ a dead horse.
and you can support him all you want. that is your right. but don’t then turn around and start calling conservative posters who disagree with you such as Michelle Malkin or me or anyone else deranged. got it, pal?
you are positive all right. positively annoying.
i call ‘em as i see ‘em, drunk …
For the McCaininites here:
Do you not realize, all your postuering of a “Secret McCain Strategy”, all we have to do is point at over a decade of his dishonest crap to show you’re talking through you collective hat?
I remember Dishonest John & The Keating 5, (…for you youngsters, that was a group a little later than, but with a lot less talent than the Jackson5… ;-p).
I remember this talking out of both sides of his mouth on firearms.
I remember the video of his treatment of the MIA Mom - who simply asked him to promise to do all he could on his committee.
I remember these and other incidents, too numerous to list…
He is in the last third of his life, he isn’t going to suddenly change into an honest, man. A man who keeps his word — unless that word is to knife a fellow party member who’s crossed him on some small thing.
Whatever.
- martin.musculus
dead horse, bull. McCain has NEVER renounced amnesty.
all he has said is that he will ask the border state govs to certify the border secure.
as for the 20 million illegals already here, he still feels the exact same way he always has about them.
if he is not willing to pass a federal law like the one in Oklahoma, then he can kiss my franksalterego
On April 26th, 2008 at 8:20 pm, Buckaroo said:
Very well stated, and I concur.
/but you forgot to mention the CAPS! OF! DOOM!
# 269 IR
yeah, sorry i left those out, i kinda figgered that might be piling on …
So, do you favor rolling back the tax-cuts?…Or, keeping them, the way McCain wants to do?
Rocket Surgury
Ha ha ha ha…
Looked at the facts… hysterics…
very good rhetoric, but where’s the beef, wiseguy? Your many words say nothing, all the referents are null-pointers…
Guys, they’re trolls! Their labels are deviod of symantic content, they buzz the words to push your buttons…
- martin.musculus
I favor voting for tax cuts, the way McPain DIDN’T
I will be writing in for Rush or Levin. It’s a tough choice.
# 272
well, if you choose to ignore my dozens of posts over the past few days re: the significant positive policies JSM has laid out, the reasons his “take the high road” approach has led to huge gains in fav/unfav ratings over the past month, inculidng dealing with this ad “contraversy,” then that’s your problem …
So, lemme’ see if I got this straight…
When someone comes over to your point of view, you hold, what he did eight years ago, against him?
martin.musculus, you’ve been spending too much time reading that Ted Sampley conspiracy nuttery. You realize those guys are con-men, don’t you?
Forgive my ignorance, but who?
I came to my conclusions by using truth tables, deriving concequences from initial actions, factoring in the help McC’ll get from the Dems, etc…
As to his picks for SCOTUS, that took less work. You simply look at his past statements & actions, use that to plot a probable “trajectory”, and just like an ICBM, he’ll follow it home.
Try it yourself… it isn’t hard… (if it was, I would be able to do it…;-} )
As an aside: I can remember back when the USS Cole was attacked, people who said it was a wide-spread terrorist organization were called “tinfoil-hats”, etc…
How’d that work out for us?
- martin.musculus
Forgive my ignorance, but who?
I came to my conclusions by using truth tables, deriving concequences from initial actions, factoring in the help McC’ll get from the Dems, etc…
As to his picks for SCOTUS, that took less work. You simply look at his past statements & actions, use that to plot a probable “trajectory”, and just like an ICBM, he’ll follow it home.
Try it yourself… it isn’t hard… (if it was, I would be able to do it…;-} )
As an aside: I can remember back when the USS Cole was attacked, people who said it was a wide-spread terrorist organization were called “tinfoil-hats”, etc…
How’d that work out for us?
- martin.musculus
Sorry abt the double post… D*** PDA.
Be assured, however, no one wishes they were wrong more than me. But I’m not.
- musculus
On April 26th, 2008 at 9:11 pm, martin.musculus said:
You also have an ego the size of Texas.
Just sayin’.
Honestly, Buckaroo, I’ve tried appealing to reason here for months, and nothing is going to work. Some folks here have minds that are not only closed, they’re nailed shut by choice.
You can post facts and evidence until you’re blue in the face… if it doesn’t fit their anti-McCain meme, they’re going to skim right over it on the way to their next “h*ll no!” post. It’s the only tune that they know.
This is a tough environment for anyone who doesn’t lean strictly to the right… I tend to be poked at a lot around here because I’m fiscally conservative, but socially moderate. I don’t let it bother me too much.
Sorry I wasn’t clear, but I’m referring to your attacks on his service, and to the MIA sister (not mom) at the MIA hearing. You may not know it, but the source for all of this stuff is a group of far-right conspiracy nuts.
Regarding the MIA sister, she’s an unfortunate dupe of the Sampley crowd who had been spreading lies in the press and enabling Sampley to make a big profit off the MIA families. It was a horrible situation.
I’ve considered your arguments, Rose, and my response is “h*ell no!”
(Great thread now that there is very little action except the Buckster, the Rose, and Miss Julie whining sympathetically to each other. It seems like after the crackdown on the real tasteless comments about McCain, there is just not that much left that anyone wants to say. Enjoy yourselves, MacBots.)
There are legit. people who are skeptical of McC’s service. A couple I know personally were in the Hilton at the same time…
However, I will readily admit that McC’s post-service conduct might have colored my judgment, so until I can take the time to unearth more, I’ll subtract that part.
His actions, particularly the silence during the yrs while they were cutting the crap out of the Armed Service paint his as anything but the Serviceman’s Friend.
Add that to his other actions, past performance, etc, and it doesn’t take “an ego as big as Texas…” to see he’s a 1st class slimeball.
I particularly get a laugh out of people of Irish Rose’s stripe… meme… did that come from your “word of the day” calendar?
Darlin, you don’t have facts, you don’t have cogent arguments, you just have your high-n-mighty haughty ‘tude.
It ain’t enough. I’ve spent weeks trying to talk myself into “vote’n McCain”, but there truely is no difference twix him & the other two. A difference which makes no difference *is* no difference.
If McC is your idea of a fiscal conserv., you must be left of Caligula socially…
… just sayin’, ya know?
- musculus
I don’t like him either see-dubya, I just see the alternative as worse than Carter.
The damage one liberal Congress and one liberal President can do together is immense and permanent.
For proof, ask yourself if we could ever do away with social security?
Some things cannot be undone, in my opinion McCain can be moved to the right by us, Obama and Hillary can only be moved to the left.
BTW, Rose, thank you! My wife as tried for yrs to build my ego… says I’m too self-effacing.. She’ll be glad to hear her efforts weren’t vainglorious ones…
Also, how’d you know I’m frm Texas? Bexar County, actually…
- musculus
Well, here in NC I have Hilary or Obama calling my number once a day and I had an Obama worker ring the doorball today. I opened the door, saw the 16 Obama buttons on her shirt and said: “I’m not interested” and closed the door. I realized I should have said: “God bless America” then closed the door. Sigh, someone please make them go away.
Speakup, I disagree. McC is a congress-critter w/a long history in the two houses. He’ll get more harmful things done, both because of the that *and* because as head-of-party the *national* section of the party will find it as hard to stand firm against his excesses as they did w/Bush.
Also, take into account that he LOVES The Swimmer Kennedy, and disjoints himelf to do Teddy’s bidding.
Add these together, and you get Bush’s bad decisions on steriods.
Do you think he’ll stop at McCain-Fiengold? For fiscal “Conservative” Rose: Have you looked at McCain-Lieberman?
Please, guys, we might not have a choice at this point, but lets not delude ourselves, or we’ll keep revisiting this every four years ad-infinitum.
- musculus
Are you mad?
This is the most unhinged case I have ever encountered of hope triumphing over experience.
musculus, good points, all!
And as I have pointed out elsewhere, a very important ~narrative~ will be constructed about the GOP after November.
It will be either:
Reaganism is dead. The GOP has finally shed its know-nothing wing. (if McCain wins)
or
Republicans can not win the White House without the strong support of their base. (if he loses)
The future of our country hinges on which narrative emerges more than it hinges on what will happen during the next four years, IMO.
Ignatius Reilly said:
Sounds like all those women who marry a guy, convinced that they can change them…
Those who lean left defend McCain. Those who lean right point to the fact that McCain has never been Conservative.
He’s not a liberal, but I’ve come to realize that he’d rather be liked than be a leader. There is no way in hell he’d pick a Conservative Supreme court justice. He’d have to face the left, and he’d rather have their friendship.
Having said that, I will vote for him. His problem is that he is going to cause many many conservatives to sit this one out.
As for me,
I’ll pick a 80% Conservative over a 100% Subversive/Socialist/Marxist/Communist, any day.
But then, that’s jus’ me
I agree Frank. We need to find a candidate that is 80% Conservative.
libocrat…{grin}
Ignatius, my grandmother’s name was Reilly. It seems to me that the MSM has something to do with McCain being the Republican candidate. It was a more covert operation Chaos.
I don’t hate McCain, but he’s NOT a Conservative, he lacks Conservative core principles. Reaching across the aisle has gotten Republicans no where. When Republicans were in charge they did nothing. With the 3 candidates we have left, (left lefter and leftist) only Liberal programs have a chance. McCain will not stand firm against bigger government. He has a history of political capitulation.
P’haps, you could explain to the little boys and gurls of this blog, ANY ISSUE, where McCain is to the left of the opposition?
in a nut-shell
Frank, you want an 80% Conservative candidate. Show me one. I’m not interested in your Junior High rhetorical questions. McCain is NOT CONSERVATIVE. Your question had nor relevance to my point. You called him 80% Conservative. He is NOT. He is 80% political and 20% Conservative.
I wasn’t discussing the opposition.
libocrat…you make the sensible, well-reasoned case against McCain. I confess to having gone around the MDS bend.
(btw, My branch of the Reilly family comes from New Orleans. Actually, I made quite a name for myself down there, and I think Wikipedia even has a spot-on personality profile of me.)
Ignatius, I am going to vote for McCain, I CANNOT allow Rodham or Obama to make crucial court decisions that will effect my 7 year old until he 40.
McCain isn’t evil. He isn’t a bad person. He isn’t liberal and he ISN’T CONSERVATIVE. I’m not arguing anything in anger or speaking ill of Mr.McCain and his honor. He just isn’t Conservative.