Hey, John McCain: Have you bothered watching the ad you condemned yet?; NYTimes piles on
Did you know that John McCain lambasted the North Carolina GOP’s anti-Obama/Jeremiah Wright ad without having seen it?
Yes, this noxious little tidbit was tucked into an AP story three days ago when the controversy broke and has been little remarked upon since. When I mentioned this fact at the Pennsylvania Leadership Conference dinner last night, much of the audience gasped. Obviously, the word hasn’t gotten out there enough:
The ad opens with a photo of Obama and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright together and a clip of Wright, whose incendiary comments about race have bedeviled Obama.
“He’s just too extreme for North Carolina,” the narrator says in the 30-second spot. “We asked them not to run it,” McCain told reporters traveling with him in Kentucky. “I’m sending them an e-mail as we speak asking them to take it down.
“I don’t know why they do it. Obviously, I don’t control them, but I’m making it very clear, as I have a couple of times in the past, that there’s no place for that kind of campaigning, and the American people don’t want it,” McCain said.
McCain said the ad was described to him: “I didn’t see it, and I hope that I don’t see it.”
Let me repeat that:
“I didn’t see it, and I hope that I don’t see it.”
He didn’t bother to watch the 41-second video before his campaign leaned on the NC GOP to withdraw it.
He doesn’t want to see it, lest he sully his delicate eyes.
Yet, he’s so indignantly sure “that there’s no place for that kind of campaigning.”
And then he has the gall to turn around and knock Obama’s elitism.
Congratulations, Sen. McCain: You’ve out-snobbed Snobama.
Yes, without having seen the ad or talked directly to the NC GOP officials, he’s absolutely convinced that he’s right about his knee-jerk assessment of their supposedly bigoted motives.
McCain Math is the same as MSM Math: Southern + Republican + video featuring radical leftists who happen to be black = RACISTRACISTRACISTRACISTDANGERWILLROBINSON!
Naturally, McCain’s New York Times editorial board endorsers at the NYTimes were happy to oblige and pile on with a Pavlovian editorial this morning calling the ad racist and divisive, “shameful and ugly.” Congratulations for giving your friends at the NYTimes the rope to hang North Carolina Republicans, Sen. McCain:
The assertion that Mr. Obama is “just too extreme for North Carolina” is a clear bid to stir bigotry in a Southern state…Senator McCain was right when he said, of the new ad, that “there’s no place for that kind of campaigning — and the American people don’t want it, period.”
Now he needs to get his party to listen.
Here’s the vid from yesterday’s Today Show interview with McCain that I blogged about yesterday:
The transcript:
VIEIRA: Okay. I want to switch gears here and talk about the latest controversy. It’s over an ad in North Carolina coming two weeks before the Democratic primary.
VOICE OVER: For 20 years, Barack Obama sat in his pew, listening to his pastor.
REVEREND JEREMIAH WRIGHT: And then wants us to sing God bless America? No, no, no.
VIEIRA: The ad says, quote, “just too extreme for North Carolina.” Now, you have called this ad degrading and you’ve asked the state party to pull it. But so far, they’ve refused to do that. Why do you think they’re not listening to you, a? And why do you believe they would continue to raise questions about Senator Obama’s patriotism?
McCAIN: They’re not listening to me because they’re out of touch with reality in the Republican party. We are the party of Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan, and this kind of campaigning is unacceptable. I have said that. It will harm the Republicans’ cause. And I’ve done everything that I can to repudiate and to see that this kind of campaigning does not continue. I have engaged in and will continue a respectful campaign of either Senator Obama or Senator Clinton.
VIEIRA: Senator Obama said if you wanted to, you could get that ad pulled because you are, after all, the nominee and the standard bearer. So if you can’t get the ad pulled, does it raise any questions about your leadership?
McCAIN: I don’t know exactly how to respond to that, except that I would hope that Senator Obama would repudiate and apologize for his remarks concerning the heartland of America where his elitist remarks indicated that people who are hardworking dedicated people, who harbor traditional values and principles and value their religion and the Second Amendment of the Constitution would not be treated in an elitist fashion. I hope he’ll apologize for that.
How about you apologize first, Sen. McCain, for running to the liberal media to once again trash conservatives as racists for exposing hard truths about the hard Left?
Not bloody likely.
***
Following the cue of McCain and Howard Dean, there are now two TV stations who refuse to play the ad because it is “offensive.”
Always happy to show it here again (with a reminder that the NCGOP could use your financial support):
Meanwhile, McCain continues to give himself special dispensation to challenge Obama’s relationship with Weather Underground radical Bill Ayers.
Because, you see, raising questions about a Radical of Color is “not appropriate and unhelpful,” but raising questions about a Radical of Pallor is McCain-tested and RNC-approved.
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McLoser is a waste of time.
It’s time conservatives went our own way.
Do I hear Federalist Party?
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
Nope…not from me.
Pointless exercises are something I gave up long ago.
This moron happens to be a lawyer. Tell me…
what is your legal training?
As a member of the Federalist Society…
yeah, provided it wasn’t another vacant exercise in the third-party waste lands.
Even by liberal standards, frank is slippery and evasive.
My suggestion from #377 still holds.
I second #377…
Redundancy
This moron happens to be a lawyer.
Redundancy
But no answer.
And, Frank, what is your legal training…?
Isn’t McCain always right about everything?
A self-described moron/lawyer, who doesn’t seem to know the difference between a “tribunal” and the U.S.Criminal Justice System, is asking about my legal training?
frank always answers questions with either silence, or with questions, or with sophomoric insults.
There is no “there” there.
Building a new party is a great idea. The trouble is, it takes lots of money. Maybe a hundred mill or so to start. And a charismatic leader to make its case to the public.
This is a lie.
I am not a self-described moron. I merely adopted your insult to both blunt it and turn it against you.
You were too dishonest and/or witless to admit it on these posts.
But the issue isn’t the difference between a military tribunal and the criminal justice system…which is profound and of which Mr. McCain wishes to avail our enemies…
but what training, experience, or expertise you have to tell the rest of us…who manifestly know more of the subject than do you…
that we are morons in the face of your…
profound ignorance on the subject.
Try a direct answer to the question, Frank.
Otherwise, we are left to think you a moral coward…
in addition to an ignoramus.
And worst…TIME.
Our system is skewed heavily toward a two party system. It is not designed for coalition government.
I’m afraid it is constitutional in origin.
One party would almost surely have to die…
I don’t see any volunteers….
Oh, how I love that!
There just are NO WORDS in languages of the tongue to express how DEARLY I just so purely love THAT!
That’s my Rush baby!
I missed the show – thanks for the great report, Ragspierre!
His parody guy should take “Ice Ice Baby” and revise it to “Rush Rush Baby!”
THAT is so mething I can vote for!
hehehehehe
On April 27th, 2008 at 11:36 am, flenser said:
Thats’ because you think that the only valid form of conservatism is your own… and it’s the measuring stick by which you judge all others.
You should get out a little more.
Rose, is that a typo????
or a hipster drug phrase…???
“Like, that is SO mething, man…”
Odd advice from a self-identified NOT conservative.
I have another term for a “fiscal conservative”.
A cheap, stingy liberal.
On April 27th, 2008 at 1:30 pm, Ragspierre said:
Au contraire, dear Rags – the GOP is in fact SCREAMING their willingness to volunteer. Half of them want desperately to have an excuse to join the Dim party, as it is. Their removal would allow the other 3/4, who are Conservatives, to come back home! With some housekeeping/revamping !
That’s what they say about Bush, too.
I tell all my friends, just keep your ears open…They’ll tell on themselves, every time.
Get a new Play-book
Rose, I agree…
except that there is still…and it never went away…
a MAJORITY of people in this nation who are more CONSERVATIVE than not.
They just need people of clear vision and an ability to communicate the values that most of us share in order to cast their votes for them.
When we try that, on a national level and in most locales, it works.
On April 27th, 2008 at 1:42 pm, Ragspierre said:
Yup, OK.
Whatever you say, Rags.
Silly me, for thinking that I’ve been a conservative Republican all these years. I guess I just needed someone like you to come along and define my politics for me.
…and still no answer to a simple and direct question.
We, therefore, have our answer to the larger question of whether you are a moral coward, in addition to an ignoramus.
Thank you for your participation in this demonstration.
So, when clinton steals the nomination from obama, will Hamas endorse her?
Whut’re the odds?
We in fact only need one Election Law changed to accomodate multiple party strengths in the Elections process – that if the WINNER of an election DOES NOT RECEIVE A MINIMUM of 50% PLUS ONE vote, and there are multiple contenders, not just two – then there should be a TWO-MAN RUN-OFF.
This rule would have thrown Bill Clinton’s TWO ELECTIONS into a RUN-OFF due to PEROT and would have removed the fear of voting for Perot or other 3rd Party candidates in the FIRST General Election.
AND THIS DOES NOT REQUIRE THOSE CLUMSY AND STUPID COALITION GOVERNMENTS.
Individuals may or may not allie themselves to one “major” party or the other, but generally, they would ALL be forced to consider the BEST for America by this system.
While their CANDIDATES may win elections by small select special interest appeal, once in Congress, they would have to appeal to broad, MAJORITY OF AMERICAN CITIZENS’ support for MEASURES to pass through Congress.
(I.E., the way shamnesty was shot down by both GOP and also broad Dim voter base support).
I think the POLITICIAN would face much greater accountability to his home district with multiply parties having better access, through the RUN-OFF Process SIMILAR to Louisiana, but with party Primaries, first.
But I never did that…
I just read what you wrote.
You defined yourself.
In case you haven’t figured it out by now Frank, we have a set of far-right attack dogs that regularly prowl the premises here at MM…. classic bullies, for whom having the “upper hand” is everything. Pious churchgoers one and all, I’m sure.
They won’t stop talking until you do, and then they’ll make sure that they have the last word at the end of the thread… several last words. It’s just the way they are.
And I fully expect them to start flinging hash at me for pointing it out, because it’s what they always do.
The day might be better spent getting out to enjoy the weather… it is Spring, after all and a beautiful Sunday afternoon.
Cappuccino?
Another benefit of the runoff race would be that no party would then be so willing as the GOP to run off HALF their BASE in favor of trying to curry 20% of the OTHER PARTY voters.
They are currently NOT AT ALL AFRAID of losing discontented Conservatives because we have no other “MAJOR” Party to go to – they think they will simply be driven OUT OF THE VOTING PROCESS ALTOGETHER AS NEITHER PARTY OFFERS THEM A SUITABLE CANDIDATE in the future! – but with RUNOFF’s, they would LOSE THAT HAMMER OVER OUR HEADS.
And the fact there are no runoffs IS NOT A CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE AT ALL!
Sure, neither party is going to approve of the measure – but the PARTIES THEMSELVES HAVE NO CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY FOR THE DISTRIBUTION OF POWER IN THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT – THAT POWER belongs to the COMMON CITIZENS!
WHY? Has HILLARY of the ROSE LAW FIRM been HALF as anxious to close Gitmo (and Abu Ghraib) as McCain, and to bring the FOREIGN TERRORISTS caught on the battlefields onto AMERICAN SOIL for CIVILIAN COURT TRIALS run on the approval of the ACLU – AS HAS
Anti-Torture-BY-American-Soldiers McCAIN??????????
I don’t think so!
Yeah, she has worked hard for the CHINESE GOVT VOTE, but the Middle Eastern VIOLENT TERRORISTS? THEY have a debt to McVANITY.
Yes,
I think I pointed this out in my #359 comment.
FACT IS, Ma’am, we don’t deserve the NAME of “Far-Right” compared to The Sons of Liberty of the American Revolution, our Founding Fathers, the likes of Paul Revere, James Otis, Samuel Adams, Patrick Henry, Nathan Hale, Benjamin Rush, John Hancock, John Jay, John Adams, George Washington, Alexander Hamilton, etc, et al, or the likes of Daniel Boone, Davy Crockett Marion Francis, Colonel Travis…
But you make a fine Torrie.
Addendum to #416
…But, it is fun watchin’ ‘em try to untangle the pretzels they tie themselves into.
On April 27th, 2008 at 2:16 pm, franksalterego said:
Indeed.
The shrieking CAPS lady has arrived, so I’m off to find some Visine and Excedrin.
The word is “Tory”
carry on
That’s because you and McCain think “Conservatism” is a term you can HI-JACK for your own purposes, the way Socialists hi-jacked “Liberalism”.
But you aren’t fooling anyone.
And you certainly are not impressing anyone with trying to hi-jack the REPUTATION but NOT THE CHARACTER of Conservatives – that is why McVanity is running into all his troubles with a party he so easily won the nomination for – in the process of “redefining” Conservatism.
All you’ve done is lost CREDIBILITY for yourself.
Rose,
Better buy a case of Visine.
This is gonna’ be a LOOOOOONG campaign.
Hey Ragspierre
You are right about the problem with starting a new and viable conservative party: the time it would take to get it up to snuff in first congressional races, and then the presidency…and all the while making sure that this new party isn’t co-opted by the Democrats and RINOs that most of us already despise.
I do remember how the “Perot” party at least in the state of Washington was co-opted from within by the Democrats in 1992; an associate and I caught a former aide to Al Swift of the 2nd federal district acting as Secretary and “moderator” for the Washington State Perot sponsored debate between Democrtat Al Swift and Conservative Jack Metcalf (now deceased)–the only problem was she didn’t identify herself as having been with the Congressman Swift–and the Perot leader for Washington State, Edward J. Doyne..refused to do anything about it himself…my associate and I made a stink about this breach of integrity within the organization (considering how slanted the actual debate was conducted with Democrat Al Swift getting soft-ball questions and Jack Metcalf getting hit with much more tough questions), and the woman (Swift’s aide) finally quit once her identity was revealed.
I’m just letting you guys know that with setting up a viable, well-funded third party will mean that those in charge must be willing to root out those who have infiltrated it-and that attempts like the one I talked about will happen.
Thanks, I think I had the plural on my mind, and some of my keys hang a bit, at times, I see I also forgot the S on the end, be sides adding too many R’s.
Thank goodness, you knew what I was even talking about! hehehehehe
Nothing strange about the Dimmifying of the Perot movement, since the little Planned Parenthood captialist was a best friend and drafter for Bill Clinton inhte first place.
It was harder due to lack of internet in those days to find and distribute the Word on Perot – but the internet is what would make a Third PArty so great, th ese days, as long as Conservatives agree on what is Conservative – i.e, that Fred Thompson is no more Conservative than McCain or Perot! For SPECIFIC CAUSE by his own Senate RECORD and his OWN WORDS in 2007 and 2008 STANDING BY HIS SENATORIAL RECORD.
The problem is finding a few genuinely Conservative MASCOTS for the party.
The reason that other movements have failed has been due NOT TO THE DEMAND, but the INFERIORITY of the ALTERNATIVE PRODUCTS OFFERED. i.e, Bob Barr – a NO SALE.
“He can cram more words into the smallest idea, than any man I ever met.”
–A.L.
PREZACTLY!
heheheheh
My own favorite is a SHIP being sunk by SOME of the passengers ON PURPOSE, sitting in the hull with old fashioned hand drills, having a fine game like some little girls have tea parties. Some are furiously dragging off those who would take the hand drills away and spank the little brats doing the drilling. (No one is dragging away the brats, because they have so many ENABLERS!)
Some are so busy bailing, they refuse to take time to stop the drillers.
Some are saying, the ship has listed to the side so far that it is now also taking water over the lip on one side, and will soon swamp and go to the bottom of the ocean, it is (long past) time to be on the lifeboats – but the bailers are furious at the lifeboaters for not helping to BAIL WATER with coffee cans.
We in the lifeboats still risk being too close to the ship and being swamped when the ship goes down – but that doesn’t mean there was anything we could have done to save the SHIP, ITSELF.
The Coffee Can Bailers can scream at us all they want to, but as one of the Sons of Liberty said, I think it was Samuel Adams, “This solemn Assembly can do nothing more to save the Union.”
It was the last meeting between representatives of the King, the officals of the Colonies, and the disgruntled Colonists, over a wide variety of issues merely culminating in the Stamp Act.
There is nothing more to say to the GOP.
They have spit in the face of half their base or more in order to curry a small percentage of Democrats. They’ve had years to consider the wisdom of their ways and the boiling anger of their own base in the face of it – and went full steam ahead.
Let them have the full fruit of their own labors.
I am content. Nothing more can be done with them.
Yes, I’ll continue to vote down-ticket for true Conservatives…
But I’ll not reward the GOP Leadership for taking the party to the Socialists as some sort of Tribute.
I’ll not be lamenting their consequences, since nothing I can do can save me and my children from them – there is nothing to be GAINED by appearing now to be in unity and agreement with them.
Let them remain busy with their coffee cans at the hull of the ship.
In regards to the possiblity of a third party….The MSM has reported a substantial increase in the registration of voters as independents lately.
I guess I should assume that all who address “Rose” are talking to “Irish”???
even though there are THREE of us here, that I know of, including TxRose.
(I am from South West Texas, myself)
Irish Rose
Yes, I had forgotten the liberal mantra that everything is a matter of different “perspectives”. There is no actual reality. Why, if you look at the world from the right angle, you can view John McCain as a conservative. Or Joe Liebermann. Or Barack Obama. Or Hugo Chavez. Who is to say, really? We all know everthing is just a matter of opinion. In fact, that’s a basic tenet of conservatism! Always has been!
But I’ll ask the McCain supporters another question for them to ignore. What do you think conservatism is?
Sorry, McVanity’s own po rtfolio calls you on THAT. NEITHER of his opponents – in fact BOTH PUT TOGETHER cannot match his LIBERAL PORTFOLIO OF ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
You cannot name any thing in Government they either one have accomplished that even puts them on the SAME PAGE as McNasty, much less SURPASSES HIM in HIS LIBERAL AGENDA ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
And since HE is very proud of THOSE ACCOMPLISHMENTS, your attempts to minimize what he has done is most insulting TO HIM!
And on top of that, he is YOURS, you can have him entirely.
Supports the MILITARY?
I gawr-own-tee!!! With “SUPPORT” like THAT, they don’t NEED any enemies.
MY Silver Spurs nephew and father won’t be voting for McNasty for the “sake” of the Military, or the USSC, either.
HAW HAW HAW!!!
“Positive” Liberal Agenda from McCain impresses YOU and 20% Liberals – and you are the target of that operation.
Enjoy the scenic view of your trip.
Oh, I LOVE THAT!
One expired DOG FOOD COUPON!
Brilliant. Much better than BRICKS or Lettuce.
Ahem…Seems to me it’s time for a little reality check.
Pontificating about McCain’s conservative qualifications is a waste of time…He isn’t a conservative, period.
While he may get elected, (frankly I have my doubts about this) he would be more likely than not to go with the flow in order to appear to be moving forward. As far as moving forward to what I have no idea. I don’t believe that he has a cogent agenda that will improve this country.
And of course the “Sturm and Drang” surrounding Hillary and Barack is going to be dominating the news media until the convention in Denver.
Maybe it would be better if us blog contributors actually waited until we actually had party platforms and issues to discuss.
JMO
Yeah, like someone willing to marry the likes of Drew Peterson, expecting to change him.
I have to grin at the comparison of John McCain to Drew Peterson. That’s something I didn’t expect….
That is a lot of ignorance to pack into a handful of words.
McCain does not really “support the military”. He was invisable while it was gutted in the ninties. He opposes pork only if you use a narrow definition of the word. His global warming plans will be pork on a scale that Byrd can only dream of.
But forget all that. Conservatism has nothing to do with war and pork. I can recommend several good books about conservatism if you are interested in learning something about the subject.
The party platforms are meaningless drivel. We already know what the candidates and parties stand for. We just need to figure out where that leaves us and how best to try to drag them back to our views. No offence to the libs and indys here, but by “us” I mean us conservatives.
Frankly, Flenser….there is no dragging them (the candidates) back to our views. And what makes you think that conservatives (as you define them) are in the majority here?…
On April 27th, 2008 at 10:33 am,
That is the most absurd postulation.
“Hardly left at all, really.”
How left does THAT make you, compared to true Conservatives, or anyone else for that matter – if in YOUR book, McVain doesn’t “qualify” as a full-blown extreme Leftist Liberal Socialist, with something like McCain Feingold Thompson and McCain Kennedy shamnesty, and McCain Anti-Torture Amendment, and demands for ACLU-standard civilian court trials on American Soil for FOREIGN HEAD-CHOPPING TERRORISTS (over-riding the American Constitution and the Geneva Conventions), all under his belt – what does it TAKE – IN YOUR BOOK - to QUALIFY as “SOMEWHAT left“???????????
Joseph Stalin???? Caligula??? Gunga Din??? MAO????
BLAZES, Man, Benedict Arnold is to the HARD RIGHT of McCain!!! IN FACT!
Ombre Rose….It isn’t your positions that gain you criticism….
It’s the fact that you use caps to shout a lot.
IndependentTom
Again with the “as you define them”. The liberal rot has spead far and wide. Do you regard Ted Kennedy as a conservative? If not, why not?
This sort of relativism is at the heart of liberalism. Nobody can ever make a definite statement, they can only say “From my perspective …. Of course everyone is is entitled to their differing perspectives.”
Who’s to say that from a certain perspective, Stalin and Hitler were not true-blue conservatives? Will you say it?
What makes you think that the answer to that question has anything to do with anything?
Lol…My goodness…this is the first time I’ve been called a “liberal” or a “relativist”
Maybe because they KNOW that 20% DEMOCRATS voting REPUBLICAN is what got McCain the NOMINATION in a primary process in which THREE QUARTERS of the Conservatives generally do NOT vote at all – and that it took some serious RIGGING to make sure most of the FIRST PRIMARIES were all either OPEN or UNREGULATED, so those DIMS and “INDEPENDENTS” could get in, and with 20% of the GOP Primary voters being Dim, it still only gave McCain about a 5% edge over anyone else – and if he had only had one strong Conservative opponent, it would not have been enough to get him a win at all, instead of the opposition vote being broken up between 9 other candidates in the GOP Primary, and men like Thompson drafting so effectively for him, sucking the air out of the room every time McCain faltered, and backing off every time McCain regathered.
That took a lot of work and organization and orchestration to get the GOP Nomination to the likes of McCain – THAT is why we KNOW that the Conservatives are still the Majority – albeit a SLEEPING PEACEFULLY IN THEIR POT OF BOILING WATER Majority.
As the fight against McCain Kennedy Shamnesty displayed to the world just one year ago.
I haven’t even seen this many Conservatives refusing to even TALK politics, even in the Gerald Ford or Robert Dole campaigns – some folks who were highly animated and oppositional to the GOP candidates THEN were at least fully engaged in the DEBATE.
Their level of disgust now is the highest I have ever seen it – including during the Watergate HEARINGS.
THAT is how I know who is in the Majority – they just aren’t flexing their muscles at this time.
When they get angry enough to make changes, though, you’ll be feeling like an avalanche or Supervolcano hit you.
And those Winds are blowing NOW!
Everything in the FLORIDA vote just got turned upside down. And the mainstream media hasn’t begun to even notice what is going on down there in those very same counties that the greatest upheavals of 2000 and 2004 were in.
hehehehehehe
I am hoping that Michelle will go down there soon and check it out personally.
Tell me …what are you doing to influence the local situation where you are?
Omrbre….you’re shouting again..
Listen, I know a flock of ladies THAT stupid! Seriously!
There are several who took up with known child molesters, having small children in the house, who denounced the nasty slander and swore that he “loved the adult woman of the house” – for about two weeks, anyway. And a few have made the news from time to time for marrying someone they met as pen pals who was already on Death Row!
You really get to where you wanna slap the %#%#%# out of that kind of woman.
And that is right to compare the McCain supporters who claim they’ll have “significant influence” over him IF THEY VOTE FOR HIM to those stupid women.
And I am sorry to say such an ugly thing about the women, obviously they are badly damaged goods in their own right, terribly injured, if they can have such attitudes, and I don’t think they deserve for me to make fun of them – but if the analogy helps shine a light on McCain supporters…
Pardon me Ombre…I misspelled…
Understand…..
There is a valid anology to Peterson/McCain as you put it..thanks for the clarification.
OK….here is the bottom line….Grow up..realize that 2008 is lost to conservatives….try to grow a conservative majority from a local standpoint….support and groom conservatives from a grass roots perspective..shoot for 2012…or maybe 2016….but don’t give up on principle…..
It sure ain’t like the VATICAN is taking in ILLEGAL ALIENS who have invaded ITALY.
And you are right – it is NOT a Scriptural stance.
And the American application has NOTHING to do with or any resemblance to the Sanctuary cities that God had Moses institute in Israel.
When those sanctuary cities were instituted, it was AS A GOVERNMENT MANDATE and NOT as a CHURCH mandate – it was the CIVIL LAW and it didn’t
give them the “ENTITLEMENTS” that the Catholic Church or other Liberals are tryihg to give to Illegal ALIENS – and it never gave cover to a potential nest for ENEMY SPIES, or organizations which undermined the RULE OF LAW and the NATIVE GOVERNMENT – and applied only to certain specific crimes against the state.
It didn’t empower the CHURCH to HIDE AND CONSPIRE with CRIMINALS against the GOVERNMENT – even if it was a theocratic govt.
Meanwhile, McCain has a lifetime record of being a REBEL and it isn’t surprising at all to find he conspires with rebellious movements against the best interests of our nation in things like BORDER SECURITY during a time of WAR.
S’Alright! I do it all the time, myself.
Yeah, the “shouting”. hehehhee
Well, not really shouting, just emphasizing, since I can’t wave my hands at ya’ll… Talk with my hands…
But look, it gives Irish a migraine. Ain’t that NEAT!???
Spend much time at conservative blogs?
Look, modern American conservatism is the system of thought inspired after WWII by a series of writers generally agreed to be “conservative”.
The list includes Robert Nisbet, Bill Buckely, Russell Kirk, Hayek, etc. Irving Kristol up through the seventies fits in there also.
John McCain does not fit in with conservatism by this definition. Stop calling it “your”(my) definition. It’s the definition.
Yes,
I agree with “flenser,” “Ombre Rose,” and “Independant Tom”…You should start a new party.
The New Age Zero Intelligence Party
how’s that work for ya’?
Mostly just spreading news to voters and those who say they won’t vote this year, who usually do vote. As we all know, a huge amount of those who work hard and are raising families don’t have a lot of time for news – and tons of them are so horribly disgusted by what they do see when they occassionally tune in that they tune in less and less often.
I’ve been able to give a large amount of people some specifics on several candidates that they have told me changed their views on whether to vote for that person or not, and informed them of situations going on that they didn’t know about. Some are local situations they didn’t know about, like a lot of shooting at the Mexico border, and some people who normally go there a lot for shopping and such who just hadn’t happened to have been in a while, and mentioned they were going, and were stunned that open shooting and warfare with our Border Patrol is going on in broad daylight, less than two hours from where I live. Some of them literally didn’t know how hard McCain had been trying to legalize the opening of the border, they ASSUMED that because he was a South Western Senator of the Republican border that his nomination was great news for us down here! I fixed that impression in two minutes.
Sometimes people know a THING is happening but don’t know the NAMES of the politicians who are doing it!
Some also didn’t know which local politicians were supporting the burning of the American flags a couple of years ago by illegal aliens, in our voting Districts, and trying to run on a Conservative platform.
Similar news about Thompson stunned them that he would and did vote NOT GUILTY on Bill Clinton’s Perjury charge – they all knew about The Dress. That a Watergate Prosecutor would claim that didn’t rise to the level of Impeacheable offenses just absolutely rocked them, I do mean! I cost Thompson a lot of votes on THAT.
I have created a map of the precincts in our area, of two counties and a half, because we are small but spread over the crux of a three county junction with no county seat here, but after a hundred years, we finally have a lot of new folks living in this area, and there was no map being published, or official recommendation to get involved and register and vote, they weren’t even posting Election days and times ahead of time, some Primary votes here were going by without NOTE. So I created a map of the precincts and posted them around town and put out flyers.
I also talk to those who say they won’t vote and try to convince them that even a write-in vote with a serious name even if not a viable candidate, but NOT MICKEY MOUSE, PLEASE – is very important, because it tells the local politicians that you ARE engaged and interested, and what sort of candidate and issues are important to you.
AND THAT YOU ARE WATCHING!
I warned them that not voting “in protest” only tells the politician that they can be driven out of the system and made to ignore the politicians when they are doing crooked things giving the politician a FREE HAND at their activities.
And I send out e-mails to friends and families to alert them to new situations or news they need to be made aware of. I’ll call some to see if they got it, if it is a situation they really need to know something about. (Like friends I know going to Mexico shopping, etc)
I’ve walked some folks through the rammifications of their views that they did not want to do, I helped stir up a hornets nest here years ago when Head Start almost made the Anthrax vaccine mandatory for 3 and 4 yr olds, and it would come without informed consent of the parents of the troubles the military was having with the vaccine at that time!
I talked to all the local personnel – and then to the area personnel who responded wonderfully – and I rocked their boats considerably. When they informed me it was worth their jobs to tell the parents the dangers of the mandatory vaccines, then I told them they better get busy and make sure it didn’t become mandatory because their family, friends and neighbors were going to be very angry to find that the staff knew about the lifetime crippling dangers of the vaccine for a disease which only needed 5 days of Cipro antibiotics – and that their family and friends who were staff members would force them to vaccinate their healthy children without warning them, “for the sake of their jobs” – and they would be holding little toddlers in their laps as they began to cripple up who were their family members and friends they had become terribly attached to (all staff are local people, of course) – knowing they had it in their power to prevent the needless crippling, and didn’t do it because of Liberal policies and job security.
I asked them point blank how they could live with themselves if that happened to children they knew and loved personally.
I told all the other parents I could find. Sent out e-mails to all the area people I had e-mails for – which puts that in a powerful e-mail “chain” – with strong online documentation.
I sent letters to politicians in Texas at every level, too.
I don’t know who else raised a fuss, but suddenly, an imminent mandatory policy DID NOT go into effect!
I do everything that I am able to do, from here, with my resources. It isn’t everything I can think of to do, but it is all I am able.
If I may respond to frank in the only language he understands –
No, frank, you’re a poo-poo head!
I’ve had more intelligent conversation with my five-year old nephew.
Now, you’re NOT gonna’ start a new party?
jus’ tryin’ t’help
I’m surprised, none of you has mentioned Ron Paul…Or, did I miss it?
time for the rEVOLution
loves2rumba
Even the seating arrangements in our houses of congress dictate two parties (i.e., “across the isle”). Just think of the treachery McCain would be capable of with more than one isle!!!
We have had two…and only two…viable parties through virtually all our history, and they are not going gently into any good night that sees a diminution of their considerable power and perks.
Ombre, I agree with a lot of your points, and they are well-made…
but don’t negate what I just said above.
On April 27th, 2008 at 6:26 pm, Ragspierre said:
Oh, not a chance of it. I agree. I’m just saying there is a METHOD that would work, but since it requires going THROUGH the politicians sitting in office, it would also require a revolution, and we don’t have the fire for that.
yet…
If the fire for it comes, the politicians will provide it, that is for sure.
I’m going to go watch the Wind, for a few hours, see you guys later!
hehehehe
We have all the fuel that is needed for the fire.
The problem is that the burning heat many of those here feel is dampened…as yet…by the smothering influence of those like others here.
It just isn’t time…
I ran into a bunch of Paulbots, at the Caucus in Spokane…Knuckle-draggin’, mouth-breathin’ morons.
Now, I’m questioning my own powers of observation, and association, why it took me so long to figure out, what was going on here.
I very seriously doubt you have a clue…
And most all of us are WAY ahead of you on doubting your “powers” in any area…
“I’m the only REEEL Conservative on this stage.”
right?
Geez, how often do they take the trash out around this place? It’s getting pretty rank.
Don’t you agree?…That Paulbots are like termites?…Eating out the framework from within, while enjoying the comfort of the shelter.
Hey, flenser?
Do you know the difference between Ron Paul, and the Vermin that inhabit the sewers in New York?
me neither
…ppsstt…
He’s talking to himself more and more now…
The cheese doesn’t taste quite as sweet, after the little wire thingy, slams shut on your little skull, does it.
heh,heh,heh
But the fire is doing its job nicely…
hehehehehehehe Patience is a virtue in the kitchen or at the fire pit. hehehehe
That is the FEAR talking to him. hehehehe
I just came from watching the Wind.
2 Chronicles 7:14
I am reminded suddenly that once, King Jehoshaphat had three different terrible enemies come at his nation.
He immediately fell on his face before the Lord and asked God what he should do about it – he didn’t even have an army.
After a while, God sent a prophet of the Lord to tell him what to do, and it didn’t involve gathering a single weapon or soldier.
It was a ridiculous thing to do, but King Jehoshapat ordered his people to obey the prophet of the Lord, anyway.
They stood and rejoiced while God defeated all three of the enemies’ armies down to the last man – then the people spent 3 days hauling off all the booty. I think they were still rejoicing.
hehehehehe
Now, there is this little thing going on down in Florida, a little sumpin’ sumpin’ – right in the heart of where the 2000 Election was settled.
But it blows no good wind for McCain, as some might suppose.
McCain has been too busy sowing his seeds into another field. What is going on down there is not for him.
This guy is so annoying, I don’t even want to support him, and I can’t stand either Obama or Hillary.
Maybe, when I go to vote this November, I’ll wear a black suit with a carnation on the lapel. I will feel like I’m attending the death of a once proud country and contributing to its demise, no matter how I vote.
Share your sentiments.
I would have voted for TOM TANCREDO, as he cares more for America than all others put togather. Now, I have decided to vote Ron Paul. If Ron Paul drops out, am not voting for any of these sell-out traitors.
Take-it or leave-it….. my vote comes with a dash of self-respect.
Hey Chief.. (#99)
If you’re right then Michelle has a real beef with wiki who says she was born in 1970.
Vote with a CLEAN CONSCIENCE – which means PEACE in your belly, in your guts – NOT having the same gut-wrenching feeling you have when a strange guy in a van pulls up at the playground near your home offering bags of candy to little kids who will climb in and “help him find his lost puppy”.
If that takes picking a person you have a lot of respect for who is NOT a candidate, or even viable, and writing in their name, instead of rubberstamping your “favorite” party’s insanity – at least think about it.
It may not save your nation, but those three clowns won’t save our nation, anyway.
2 Chronicles 7:14
Well how about this?
A new party that’s conservative.
http://rightwingrocker.blogspot.com/2008/04/platform.html
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
This is a dead thread at this point, but I gotta say this. Ombre Rose, you’ve got to be the most unhinged buffoon on the internet. You’re irrational. You make no sense. You’re embarrassing.