Nevada GOP convention chaos: McCain outmaneuvered by Paulians, party leaders shut down voting
John McCain may think he has united the party, but party activists aren’t ready to “calm down” yet.
After seeing his slate of convention delegates in Arizona rejected and alienating North Carolina GOP activists over the anti-Jeremiah Wright ad he condemned without actually watching, the McCain camp has now suffered an embarrassing episode in Nevada.
Via the Las Vegas Review Journal comes the news that the state GOP convention was suspended last night after McCain supporters failed to quell a revolt by Ron Paul’s people:
The state Republican convention was called off Saturday evening without electing national delegates, prompting protests from a record crowd that included many supporters of presidential candidate Ron Paul.
State Sen. Bob Beers, R-Las Vegas, the convention chairman, announced that the convention would recess indefinitely about 6 p.m., saying the party’s contract with the Peppermill Hotel Casino had expired and the gathering would reconvene at a later date.
“We simply had hours and hours of work left to do,” he said in an interview afterward.
It was the sudden and frustrating culmination of a long day that had pitted the party establishment that supports presumptive nominee Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., against the insurgent Paul supporters.
Up to that point, the convention had appeared to be proceeding slowly but smoothly after a rules change powered by Paul supporters required a lengthier process than was originally planned for voting on delegates to the Republican National Convention in St. Paul, Minn., in September. “They hijacked the party away from the people,” Paul supporter Chloie Leavitt, a 44-year-old Overton resident, said as she left. “We were winning and they shut it down.”
Paul supporters appeared to be a large share of the 1,347 state convention delegates. After Beers left the building, some attendees initially refused to leave and tried to restart the convention, but they failed to reach a quorum.
“Unfortunately, with the rule changes implemented this morning, we did not have time to complete the process,” Nevada Republican Party Chairwoman Sue Lowden said in a statement. “Our contract for the meeting space had expired, as had our budget, and ballots were unable to be physically produced by the nominations committee. We had to temporarily recess the convention.” She said the party would ask to use the Thomas & Mack Center in Las Vegas, which was provided free to the Clark County Democratic Party by UNLV for use in their do-over convention earlier this month after they botched their convention on Feb. 23.
Paul’s supporters succeeded in overturning party rules that would have allowed only pre-approved delegate slates to be elected to the national convention. They argued anyone present ought to be able to run for national delegate. Their move to change the rules succeeded by a wide margin. Once that change was made, Paul campaigners were prepared for an intensive conventioneering effort, passing out their own suggested delegate slates for their people to vote on in hastily assembled delegate elections.
The McCain campaign hadn’t prepared for this contingency, having assumed the pre-approved delegate slates would be pushed through, a source with the campaign said.
Wow.
The Reno Gazette Journal captures the tension:
Throughout the confusion, hecklers battled for the attention of delegates who supported U.S. Sen. John McCain of Arizona.
“McCain supporters leave!” one man shouted.
“McCain supporters stay!” a woman answered.
“We’re supposed to be on the same team!” another woman shouted.
We’re going to be witnessing a lot of those shouting matches from now ’til fall.
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Keep hope alive.
typical gamblers.
If the Paulista’s do this in a state convention imagine the moonbats in Denver….get the popcorn ready
Hope against hope.
There will be more than moonbats looking to take the nomination away from this madman.
Much as I dislike McCain, replacing him with Ron Paul would not be an improvement.
I was there as a delegate, and I have supported and contributed to Tancredo, Hunter, Thompson, and Romney, in that order. I have never supported McCain nor Paul. The vote to change the rule from the “selected slate” to open delegate voting was over 700 to 400 – definitely not all 700 were Paul supporters. Many of the 700 were non-McCain supporters, who helped Romney win the caucuses in a rout earlier this year.
Over 1100 delegates, who paid $50 to attend, plus $50 for lunch, plus hotel and travel (Nevada is a VERY BIG state), were outraged that the GOP leadership expected them to spend all that time and money just to rubber stamp a McCain-friendly slate of delegates, picked ahead of time by a non-public committee process.
The hastily-arranged state caucus, new to Nevada this year, started the problem. The GOP has been unprepared and playing catch-up this whole year.
what’s with all this democracy all of a sudden?
what happened to sending forth our best citizens to choose our leaders? what happened to statecraft?
jeers to mob rule, cheers to constitutional election.
I hope McCain is tightly holding his nose.
The Paulnuts tried playing games in Clark County, Washington just a few weeks back also. You have to really watch out for those loons.
Amen, Brent.
This entire election has been a clusterfork.
Enlighten me AJ, what does clusterfork mean?? Not a southern term!
I don’t think that the McCain gets it.
Most of us cannot stand him. He believes that we’ll come around given the selection.
NOT.
I wish that we could ALL write in Mitt and blow his arse over the Mexican borderless.
Worst case of it I’ve ever seen.
Are there no aisles for McSame to reach across in his own party. I never have been a Ron Paul fan but good for him and his people won this game. Ron Paul 36 delegates McSame 0 delegates. Is this the bigs where you take your ball and go home if you can’t win. Where is McSame the capitulator or might we say the NVRNC now belongs to the Paulies.
The only way to unseat McCain is to rally around a different person, organize in a HUGE way and really made a fuss. The problem is, we can’t seem to rally around anyone. We’re too divided amongst ourselves to accomplish anything. Which is the real reason McCain got the nod. Too many other candidates splitting up the conservative vote.
And personally I blame Huckabee most for entering the race as the anti-Romney. If Huck hadn’t thrown his hat in, Romney would have won the nomination and we wouldn’t be stuck with McAmnesty.
Ron Paul > John McCain. Hopefully more of this happens, hell I hope they even cause some trouble at nationals!
This reads like a Keystone Cops episode.
Who did McCain hire over there in Nevada, Fred Thompson’s Delaware organizers?
This Aint Hell has a companion piece Jonn wrote about his experiences at a Paultard Rally in DC ya’ll may find interesting.
These people act more and more like the globalists they supposedly abhor.
This is ridiculous…Ron Paul certainly isn’t going to win, and McCain IS our nominee.
As much as I don’t like him either, he’s still better than The Hilldabeast or The Obamessiah.
What is the point behind this in-fighting? We’re not the Democrats for god’s sake.
Thanks for the on the spot report.
As I recall, Brent #10, the Washington Republican Convention could have used some help from the Paulies and if not them perhaps God.
Watch for Mitt to get the nod at the National. Why did he suspend his campaign? And not bow out totally.
No, but Democrats and independents gave the Maverick early momentum to seemingly get the nomination. This is far from over.
Conservatives must vote against huim in the remaining primaries to weaken him for the convention,
It’s a shame many here, nationally, and within the Repub party are marginalizing Paul and his supporters. It doesn’t make one look better to call them “Paulistas” and it doesn’t make them look bad, either. Many in this country are moving toward libertarian ideas, and of the candidates, Paul is the only one truly in favor of a limited federal government. I disagree with him in regards to iraq and islamofascists, but i think it would be beneficial for the party and party members to listen to him. For the RNC, going in the other direction – the direction of John McCain – would truly be disastrous.
#20: McCain isn’t my nominee. Some people stick to their beliefs and values rather than capitulate. If only more had done so…
Right on, Khan. you can’t say you against the status quo and support ANY of the above. We need a constitutional libertarian.
I thought Paul was running on the Moonbeam ticket?
I, for one, am SICK of people telling me I *have* to vote for McCain. That will only happen for me if he picks Romney as VP.
If we’re to come together it won’t be by being bullied by anyone from any point of view. It will only come from respectable debate and a willingness to listen (with the attempt to understand) how and why we all feel as we do.
It’s really time to stop the internet schoolyard bullying.
I understand why some of you are choosing to vote for McCain as the lesser of two evils. But as many have rightly pointed out, we’ve been doing that for far too long. At what point do we say ENOUGH!? For me, I’m saying it now.
Now maybe instead of ad hominem attacks and childish namecalling, we can ‘discuss’ it further.
I hate to break this to you guys, but we are witnessing the gradual destruction of the 2 party system which increasingly cannot put out quality American cadidates.
Both parties have put out nothing but 4th string candidates who wouldn’t have a snowball’s chance in Hell against the politicians of old..remember the term “Democrat” and “Republican” are not the same as they were even in the 1970’s.
We could see conditions ripen for the visual breakup of the 2 party system as early as this Summer as neither looks any better than the other to most voters – and the radicals are loose!
Just my opinion.
We’re seeing the break-up of the two party system alright..to a single-party system.
Hate to break it to ya, but the Paulbots are marginalizing themselves. They make the Obama cultists look sane and reasonable.
Thanks for nothing, Paulbots.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Go Paul supporters!
It’s almost like you’d rather have Obama in office than McCain.
Libertarians. Go figure.
The last I heard, nothing was hijacked. Nobody wanted to vote for that loon.
Joy, I’m voting for McCain for his stand on the war and his williness to see it to the end. Before I was registered to comment on Michelle Malkin, I read comment after comment about how people aren’t voting for McCain because of his weak stand on closing the border. They like millions of others have completly forgotten that we’re fighting people who want to kill us. That can be blamed on the MSM because with the election campaigns going on, they won’t be called upon to report on “the trumped up war.”
Well, I haven’t forgotten it, and think about it everyday. If Obummer and what’s her name get elected, they’ll wave the white flag of surrender for the whole free world to see, bring the troops home, where thousands will be killed by suicide bombers and other ways.
Fred Thompson was my first choice, then Rommney.Since McCain seems to be our nominee, I’ll vote for him, and hope the people will let their voices be heard when he starts talking about amnnesty or some other program we don’t want. If Paul were to get the nomination by some quirk of fate, then I wouldn’t vote, because he, obummer, and what’s her name all want to give into the terrorist and pull our fighting troops off of the battlefield.
I’m sorry for the long post, but I don’t want people treating this election like it was 10 years ago, when all we had to worry about was who was going to lower our taxes, or raise them. Now we have an unscruplus (SP?)enemy to worry about. I for one worry about him, so yes, I’ll vote for the lesser of three evils.
With McCain, conservatives will have a two-front war. The old front against the liberal Dems and a dangerous front in our rear and flanks with liberal McCain and his RINOs on the attack.
With McCain, America and the “loyal” Republicans posting here will be more willing to socialize large sectors of the economy because of blind trust. Obama would have a much harder time bringing us socialized medicine than McCain and those forced to go along with him under party loyalty.
Bush brought us a prescription drug entitlement in perpetuity. What will McCain do?
Let the Dems get credit for ruining the country.
Right, “some people” do. Just like Ron Paul – the Congressman who has effected precisely ZERO change on the Hill, has had nothing of his passed.
Is this how you expect to advance the conservative agenda? By emulating the absolutism of Ron Paul (even if you’re not a Paultard)?
It’s mind-boggling. See how well y’all’s demands for absolute adherence to your version of conservatism works out for you. Don’t expect anything but a further slide leftward, but hey, you’ll get to boast about how “pure” you are! Yay for you!
As a conservative myself, I find the absolutist conservatives even more disgusting than these dishonest, delusional Paultards – AT LEAST those hooligans get off their duffs and organize/donate money. Where were y’all when Fred Thompson was running? Or was he not perfect enough for you, either?
And do you actually expect to have a seat at the table in a McCain Administration when you’re doing everything you can to throw obstacles in his path?
I WANT my voice heard, but my own ideological allies are keeping it from being relevant.
What’s McCain going to do for you/us when he’s elected? Why on earth should he listen now when you/we object to a revival of the old immigration plan? Why would he listen when you/we object to or ask for anything?
Where is the logic?
We talk about how the Left and the Paulbots are nuts, but really, we’ve got our own nuts. I hope you feel better when President Obama sends this country into the crapper and sells our troops down the river because his die-hard nutroots supporters demand it. I’m sure that’s really going to have the effect you want, isn’t it?
NOT.
Shorter Valiant: “Who cares about the country, I want to be able to say we’re the good guys!”
Real nice. And we’re supposed to be the patriotic side. Oh, the irony.
Fred’s critics were as process-obsessed as the media and griped about him not campaigning to some unknown standard.
If conservatives disengage, you’ll be right about “his RINOs” (although I think the absolutists are the true RINOs). It’ll be the moderates who have a seat at the table, NOT CONSERVATIVES. It’ll be your own fault.
Y’all simply have no idea how politics works. You may not LIKE how it works, but that’s the way it’s always been forever, everywhere. You take what you can get; you win the battles you can. You DO NOT surrender to the other side if you want to get anything you want. I’ll take the guy who can get me some of what I want rather than NONE of it.
When McCain brings in independents to the GOP for the first time, if you are relevant, you’ll be able to make them conservatives. If you spit in their faces, you can be sure they’re never going to see your side of the issues. Isn’t that what we’re supposed to do? Convince people that conservatism is right? Grow our numbers? Or are conservatives really supposed to be absolutist ideologues, pruning out the impure, existing in a shrinking echo chamber? ‘Cause right now, the shrillness of my fellow conservatives is doing exactly that.
Meanwhile, other conservatives who are supporting McCain are speaking with new Republican voters, explaining our thinking w/r/t conservative ideology, and little by little, winning converts. UNLIKE ANN COULTER (for example), I should add, who by herself has repelled more people from conservatism and the GOP than the conservative movement has attracted in recent years. Thanks a lot.
Has McCain’s campaign done anything to reach out to Paul activists? Has McCain talked to Paul? I would think by know they can’t assume conservatives will fall in line. He needs to reach out.
#40 Sean:
Yeah, and I saw plenty of conservatives who denigrated Fred because he isn’t Duncan Hunter or Tom Tancredo (IOW, candidates with zero chance of winning the Presidency). Alternatively, they sat on their hands, presumably waiting for a Messiah to descend from Political Heaven and save the party. Fred just wasn’t “perfect” enough for them.
I wouldn’t know personally, but Ali Akbar has – although he’s not officially with the campaign.
Personally, I couldn’t care less if he talks to Paul & his cult – I’m only speaking for myself, but I loathe them. I’m much more concerned with real conservative Republicans (as opposed to the nutter paleolibertarian “conservatives” who call themselves The True
ScotsmenConservatives™).#38: my statement had nothing to do with Paul or any of the candidates; it had everything to do with me and other voters. you know nothing about me or my beliefs, yet you act as if i’m some footsoldier in some conservative movement whose job is to “advance the conservative agenda.” I don’t vote based on the letter behind someone’s name; i vote based on my belief system, and McCain does not reflect my belief system. you’ve certainly made a lot of presumptions about me in your post. since i don’t know you at all, you can be assured that i will give you the courtesy and respect of not doing the same in return.
just a fwiw, “NOT” is soooo 1991.
Well, Khan, forgive me for assuming, but you are saying exactly the same things as everyone else I described.
And no, I don’t mean anyone is a “footsoldier in a conservative movement.” In fact, if y’all were, you might have gotten a candidate you liked. That’s exactly my point.
Are you, or are you not a conservative, is the question. I assumed that you are one, and that McCain is not sufficiently conservative for your vote.
Well, if you have conservative values as I do, you SHOULD want others to adopt conservative agenda so it will actually become public policy. Otherwise, what’s the point in complaining about McCain or anyone else, if you don’t care about what direction policy takes?
Just a FWIW, “is soooo X” is childish.
“It’s mind-boggling. See how well y’all’s demands for absolute adherence to your version of conservatism works out for you. Don’t expect anything but a further slide leftward, but hey, you’ll get to boast about how “pure” you are! Yay for you!”
Look at what you said. Further slide leftward… does it not strike you WHY Republicans have been sliding leftward? Does it occur to you that maybe it’s because we’ve been voting for the lesser of the evils for too long now? Does it occur to you we’ve tried it your way and your theories are simply not working? The proof is in the leftward slide.
You think it’s about us being able to say we’re pure? You seriously don’t get it. And that’s equally mind-boggling to me.
Well the way I look at it is that beyond any other politics, the main goal for each of us is to stay alive, and the main goal is for the country to be safe from enemy attacks. Having a great economy is useless if Al Qaeda is blowing us up on the way to the grocery store. It’s a basic hierarchy of needs in my opinion.
McCain will keep the country safe. Obama and Hillary will not. I don’t see the issue come November.
I am not capitulating; I am being a realist. Not voting simply because McCain sucks is not the answer. I don’t like the guy either, but it is lesser of two evils at this point; everything wrong with McCain is ALSO wrong with the Democrat candidates, plus the Democrats have all the things that McCain is right on (Iraq, terrorism) wrong as well!
If you don’t believe the country has moved leftward, I offer you the issue of gay marriage. When Reagan ran, it was the last thing on voters’ minds. Today, it’s a BIG issue. That’s not the Republicans’ fault or John McCain’s fault, it’s because the activists on the left MADE it an issue. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg.
Wow,bamapachyderm, so many words, so much hot air.
You are not the arbiter of what conservatism stands for. You do not speak for me.
Get over yourself.
I will someday answer to God for my actions, not you.
I will vote for the man that most represents my view, not yours.
When you vote for the lesser of evils, you are still voting for evil.
Amen to #48. AMEN.
If nothing else, our troops deserve better. We’re at the mall, they’re fighting in a war.
In MN the Paulites have spoken as well, but they are pretty “loony”, for lack of a better a word. Its less about McCain dissatisfaction than it is about their fanaticism to Ron Paul, and getting him a speaking slot at the Convention. They have gotten themselves named as delegates out of several congressional districts here.
However, this is one example of how “confused” they are; I had to leave early from my district convention and I amusingly noted all the cars in the lot with the following bumper stickers, on the same car:
Ron Paul & Al Franken
Now these two do actually have a lot in common, both of them being “loons” and all; but imagine the confusion of the poor car owner that decorates their car with both. You’re FOR big government and AGAINST it??
I never claimed to be the arbiter of conservatism, but those who call John McCain a “liberal” sure seem to be doing so.
God gave me freedom, not government.
McCain will take away my freedom.
As Thomas Sowell said, paraphrasing, there is nothing McCain can do to make me vote for him. Only Hillary or Obama can make me.
I have often thought that very thing about McCain.
McCain for president: We’re supposed to be on the same team!
Exactly, MNGirl – it has nothing to do with McCain. They’d do the exact same thing if Romney, Fred, Huckabee, or anyone else were the nominee. I’ve spent a lot of time lurking in their fever swamps and you’re exactly right.
Conservatives who oppose McCain should not be mistaken in thinking Paultards are your friends, at least if you support victory in Iraq and Afghanistan. If you do support victory, you’re just as “bad” as McCain – you’re a “neocon” who hates freedom. LOL.
Also, you have to take into account that plenty of the Paulbots jumped ship when it looked futile and went to Obama. You know, since he’s JUST LIKE Ron Paul.
HopeChange!
As for me, I think Paul’s links to a white supremest newsletter should have disqualified him.
Unfortunately R.Paul is not an option for POTUS either.
Amazing this Ron Paul guy is like bad penny.
I wish it would have disqualified him from the Republican Party altogether, let alone a run for the Presidency.
At least Paul knows economics. Imagine this ticket if you will: McCain-Paul.
Yeah, it’s true: Paul has lots of problems. He’s okay for a protest vote, but that’s about it. Still, he seems to have a much more even personality, I think picks on democrats and republicans equally, and has no use for the liberal goon squad of Kennedy, Feingold, etc.
And it’s not like we have a lot of reasonable alternatives this year; Vote for the liberal statist of your choice, but vote.
Juan Amnesty got the nomination thru the liberal, left wing, moderate thinking of the RNC. The primaries were a hoax…Romney won in every state where it was closed to repubs…McShame won in open voting and cross over voting states. In other words the dems and moderates picked our candidate. I’m not up on the convention rules and regs. but if it were to come to a vote conservatives McCain would not be the nominee. Romney was leading the vote count until shitty tues. and the open voting states.
By the way i’m sticking to a dem pres. will have more problems than a liberal repub like McCain. The repubs think we have to vote for this ornery, ignorant old man with a bad temper. if we do that tells them they can throw any left wing, moderate at us and we’ll go for it…they will feel emboldened. The majority of conservatives and repub’s have a disdain for Juan, but who else do you vote for? Myself, i’ll vote down the ticket and write in Romney. He may not be Reagan but he’s no McCain either.
I bet I could go to the movie theatre tonight and the first ten people over 35 who went in would be just as or better qualified to be President then all 3 running.
Unfortunately, I may end up doing what I said I wouldn’t do–hold my nose and vote for McCain. The more I see of Obama, the more I know I don’t want him anywhere near the White House.
Conservatives have lost this round, and I don’t see any way to fix that. But the whole country would lose with the foreign policy disaster Obama would be.
/agree with Joy
She hits the nail on the head here. The leftward slide we are seeing comes forsaking Conservatism for Republicanism. One is an ideal empowering the individual, one empowers the political elite. I can guess which side Bamapachyderm is on.
Right now throughout this country conservatism = Bush, and if that doesn’t make everyone sick to their stomachs then this country is gone. It’s the purists who understand the extent of our troubles, and it’s the party loyalists who have their heads in the sand. It’s why many people commenting on this story understand that the damage McCain will do to this country will be much more extensive than Hillary or Obama. Republicans cannot bring this country back – I’ll put my faith in the purists.
I continue to be baffled by those that bitch and moan about McCain not being a Conservative and then sing the praises of Romney. Did he REALLY run and govern as a Conservative in the Peoples Republic of Mass or is Romney, as I suspect, just a recent convert?
Compromise between poison and food will leave whoever eats it dead; likewise, the compromise between left wing ideas on Republican tickets will kill the party. Just look at McCain’ s voting record: McCain-Feingold act, GOA rates him “F-”, NRA gives him a C+, he’s drunk the Gorebal Warming Koolaid, he’s sponsored gun registration attempts, & on.
He bows to the prevailing political winds as much as John Kerry ever did. He has NO fundamental conservative ideological or philosophical core; if he did, he could never have sponsored all of the left-wing legislation he has in his closet. Absent such a core belief, he cannot be depended on to back our values. He will mime support for the party’s traditional planks in order to get the right’s vote. But he WILL turn on us, should he be elected, and then we’ll be sitting there dumbfounded saying, “Say it ain’t so, McCain – I thought you was one of us?!” Mark my words, ladies and gents; if McCain is elected, we’ll eat crow pie for 4 years, and it will be flavored with McCain’s leftist poison.
I truly believe if McCain is elected, he’s going to cram amnesty through and then switch parties as he’s threatened to do a couple of times. Viva El Presidente!
the Dims and Reps are so close to each other they may as well combine parties. People are sick of the status quo and are going to start voting for libertarians.
I’m not a Ron Paul fan, but I don’t want McCain to think everyone to right of his competition is just going to forgive his prior backstabbings.
michelle, please don’t tell me you’re actually supporting the selfish and destructive efforts of the ronulans?!
excellent.
McVain must be thwarted at every turn. this was music to my ears.
Go Ron Paul!!
#65, if you vote for McVain you are NOT a conservative.
please don’t do this, don’t reward McVain’s backstabbing and bile.
well if Romney or Fred hadn’t dropped out, then true conservatives could coalesce around someone besides Ron Paul. However, I’m down with him just because HilBamCain are complete idiots.
# 74
newsflash — I and many, many others who are conservative will vote for JSM and not “lose” our conservatism in that moment.
/true god complex or just an sad & outsized ego ya got going there making such sweeping proclaimations?
I did not support Ron Paul for his stance on the Iraq War-I feel that if we bug out from there now things will be worse just as they were for the US after we bugged out of fighting North Vietnam-but considering the lemming-like response of consetrvatives like me just laying back and accepting the inevitable McCain, I will support the Paulites.
It has been high time we got a candidate who will protect our borders, keep government limited, and listen to the rest of the Republican Party instead of acting like a spoiled child.
The NC-GOP and the Paulites are a breath of fresh air. Period.
We really need a brokered convention and get rid of (Obama’s race puppet) John McCain as this party’s nominee.
WE know he is not suitable, let’s DO something about it.
There are a lot of good points on both sides of the argument here. I personally can’t stand McCain and the two other Democrats even less. Since the President’s powers are limited (thank you founders), I’m not convinced McCain can get amnesty passed. I think with the great majority, estimated to be about 80%, of Americans in opposition it won’t be easily done if we keep the pressure on the ones who actually vote on it. I don’t have any doubts he won’t try though. I’m positive the other two knucleheads will try. We know how hard Bush tried and was defeated. This time we should be better prepared because it won’t be a surprise attack like last time. I still contact my congresscritters through NumbersUSA fax service on a regular basis to remind them of my opposition to what illegal aliens are doing to our country and any form of amnesty.
We already know what we would get with Hillary. Gak!
Obama has already associated with known terrorists on a personal and professional level. I think more will come out about how dangerous he really is as time goes on. This won’t matter to those that blindly worship him though.
I say this with some reservation. For me about the only thing JMc has going for him is he will be strong against terror. Using Europe as an example it might be the time in our history to be more concerned with the survival of our nation than whether the Republican presidental nominee is conservative enough. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think he is. I just don’t think his smell is nearly as bad as the other two.
This story warms my heart. I’m happy to see McStain take as much flak as possible on his way to the convention.
If Iraq and terrorism are the only issues worth supporting McCain on, then you really need to come up with better arguments. The whole Iraq argument is crap. If you pay close attention to Hill and Bamo, both have said they won’t commit to pulling troops as soon as they’re in office. It would be political suicide if they did. Neither party wants responsibility for the chaos that will ensue in Iraq if we left. And do we really believe that whoever is President will have a damn bit of difference over whether we have another 9/11 or not? A determined terrorist will succeed regardless of who sits in the White House.
If you plan to vote for McStain, go ahead. But don’t talk smack to those of us who refuse, when there is not a damn bit of difference between them.
I want no part of this election. One of these 3 of these nincompoops will trip, stumble, and somehow fall flat on their face into the Oval Office, and there is nothing I can do to stop it.
“when there is not a damn bit of difference between them”
and that’s where you are WRONG, and, sorry, but the smack SHALL continue until you can get it through your thick skull …
” I will support the Paulites”
then you deserve anything you get coming to ya …
“brokered convention”
r u serious? only one party is having a brokered convention this year, the one that has zero nominees with the necessary delegates to clinch …
#78 Correction
I don’t have any doubts he
won’twill try though.This nominee seems to have been decided by open primary crossover votes and the MSM. I think the RNC should shoulder a lot of this blame. This puts the conservative base in a bad position to choose and divides us. The Dems must be loving this.
Why would the really GOOD People want to be President? You can do no right in the MSM’s eyes. So why go through the hassle. Look what they did to Justice Thomas. He did not have a celebration when he was nominated, they (MSM) wouldn’t allow it. So in the end the good guys keep their hats out of the ring now.
Look out! We’ve got another Internet “tuff guy” offering insults from the safety of his keyboard.
Alright, Tuffy, if you’re such a f*cking genius, why don’t you actually point out where I’m wrong? Or is that too much thinking for you to handle at one time? Loser.
In retrospect, Ross Perot was right.Ron Paul may prove to be right but we don’t like the way either of them sounded or looked. Doesn’t this make it a beauty contest? Here in PA, Ron Paul still got some of the vote in the primary.We can talk all we want about the press favoring Obama but noone says a word about Ron Paul and Tom Tancredo being summarily dismissed from the contest. Debate moderators pretended they weren’t there. We can also include Duncan Hunter in that list. How is it possible to have a reasonable discussion when we do not stand up for those candidate’s right to be heard?
AJ – We’re holding our breath waiting for the definition of clusterfork!!
My husband and I voted Friday in our NC county’s early voting. No place for write-ins on a computer, so “No Preference” for President got 2 votes.
(Huckabee, Keyes & Paul were still on the ballot.)
What did McCain and Mitt agree on when Romney withdrew (and rendered our primary vote useless?)
How is McCain going to protect our country by staying in Iraq, while keeping our boarders wide open? It appears that everyone here thinks Ron Paul is a loon because he wants to pull out of Iraq and toughen the boarders. I don’t get it?
Ron Paul doesn’t just want to pull out of Iraq. He wants to end America’s military presence worldwide. If he can’t understand how unsafe the world would become after doing that, then he is a loon.
Ahhh!!! Stop with the “mccain is our nominee” and the “well, he is better than the dems” crap. Screw that. mccain is NOT my nominee. He may be the reluctant nominee for you party hacks or for the open borders repubs, but he will never be my nominee. Paul is a heck of a lot better choice than mccain. At least he beleives in following the constitution and opposes amnesty. I am gald to see that at least one candidate’s supporters have the b*lls to show the GOP that many in the party are sick of the moderate BS. I still have not decided definitively not to vote for mccain in November, but I am ceratinly inclined to vote 3rd party or write in.
I hope people are being sarcastic in asking what clusterf[or]k means.
I don’t think the world can get much more violent without blowing ourselves up.Having our military stationed all over the world is not making me feel safer.I’d feel safer if they were on our own border and at our ports of entry.It’s a new world we live in. Pecking order is somewhat askew these days.
If all 50 states had closed primaries, we’d get a better gauge of what the true members of the party want in a candidate. Open primaries just ask for sabotage from the other side(s).
As for Paul, I have seen his minions and their antics in every regional GOP convention I have been to. I had never heard of Ron Paul until CPAC 2005, when a minion , looking disheveled standing outside the Metro station handed me a brochure and ranting about the end of the world.
They are even in war protest rallies- see the photos on Zombietime.)
They held a protest march online in the game “World of Warcraft”.
These people mobbed Rudy at the docks of Mackinac Island shouting “9/11 was an inside job.” They believe the govt is run by the Freemasons. They believe Canada, the US, and Mexico are planning to merge into one country.
Paul may be fiscally conservative, but we need to look at what else he believes. If he disagreed with the Paulians, he had all the time in the world to denounce them.
To paraphrase Bill Cosby, the Paulians presentation of their candidate to the public is the equivalent of serving a T- Bone steak on a garbage can lid.
“Most of us cannot stand him (McCain). He believes that we’ll come around given the selection.” – gayle
Which ‘most of us’ are you referring to? If it’s conservatives in general, I assure you that you are wrong. I far prefer him to either of the Democratic candidates, and definitely prefer him to that nutball Paul.
Is he the ideal candidate? Well, the primary election results thus far seem to indicate that you don’t speak for ‘most of us’ afterall.
#90 No sarcasm here. Never heard the term and thought it regional. Sgd: Typical White Grandmother
Did McCain caution everyone to just “calm down”? What an election year. It just keeps on giving.