Monday morning engine-starter: Jeremiah Wright, racial phrenologist
Good morning, people. I’ll be on Fox and Friends at around 8:15am to talk politics. Today’s engine-starter is The American Digest’s post on Jeremiah Wright’s racial brain theories.
Do you remember nutball racialist professor Leonard (Blacks are “sun people,” whites are “ice people.”) Jeffries?
Jeremiah Wright is the Leonard Jeffries of 2008.
First, watch this:
I’ll transcribe later this morning. (Update: Full transcript is here.)
Gerard Van der Leun roasts Wright:
“Different is not deficient.” It would seem there is a profound difference between the black brain and other brains after all. At least according to Reverend Wright. According to this shining exemplar of Barack Obama and the deep scholarship of black liberation theology, black people are right-brained and white people are left-brained. Asian people don’t make the discussion since that would be, well, unfortunate.
If you’re like me you’ve probably been wandering about the world babbling something about racial equality in America that affirms, “There are no differences except differences of degree between different degrees of difference and no difference.” You could also say, “All men are created equal.” How left-brained of you.
Now comes Reverend James Wright to set us all straight. He notes in passing that the right-brain of black people is somehow descended from the griots of Africa. The griots were people who could remember long, very long, poems; proto-rappers if you will. White people had something like that too, but then they invented … writing. Or was it the Asians? I forget since, alas, my griot genes are slim to none.
As I noted yesterday, Wright acted out the differences between black and white marching bands. Jake Tapper mentioned it parenthetically:
“Africans have a different meter, and Africans have a different tonality,” he said. Europeans have seven tones, Africans have five. White people clap differently than black people. “Africans and African-Americans are right-brained, subject-oriented in their learning style,” he said. “They have a different way of learning. And so on.
If he’s this comfortable mocking black/white differences in front of media cameras, I can only imagine what he says in private to his faithful black liberation ideology adherents.
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Question: If “white people clap differently than black people,” how does Barack Obama clap?
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Double standards, anyone?
- Ed Morrissey recalls the firestorm the authors of “The Bell Curve” faced.
- Commenter crashemt writes: “Does this mean we need to apologize to Jimmy the Greek, who pointed out differences in physiology based on evolutionary upbringing?”
- Noting Wright’s expert opinion that Europeans have seven tones and Africans have five, commenter rbb answers my question about how Barack Obama claps: “Six?”
Har.
My liveblog of Wright’s National Press Club rant is here.
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VDH:
Wright’s speech on black-right brainers, white-left brainers — replete with bogus stereotypes and crude voice imitations — was about as racist as they come and at one time antithetical to what the NAACP was once all about. Again, the Obama campaign and its appendages have set back racial relations a generation. Just ten years ago, any candidate, black or white, would have rejected Wright making a speech about genetic differences in respective black and white brains. Now it’s given to civil rights organizations by the possible next President’s pastor and spiritual advisor — and done to wild applause for an organization founded on the idea that we are innately the same, while being gushed over by ignorant “commentators.”
Blogger FutureMD calls Wright the new Rich Little and observes:
His negation that black people are not different (which, he suggests, is whitey short-hand for “deficient” — a topic he touched on in the Moyers interview), and then going into a long discourse on how genetically superior black people are, was just for starters.
It became too much for me when he did his John F. Kennedy impersonation (to call it mocking wouldn’t be amiss)…saying that no one criticised he and his brother, “Ed”, for having accents, but they do black kids.
I can’t believe anyone with an undamaged prefrontal cortex would suggest that poor grammar/syntax and regional accents are one and the same.
JFK asked not, not axed not…in fact, neither does Senator Obama and that’s why he’s successfully running for President.
Highlights of Wright’s white/black performance in Detroit in case you missed them:
UPDATE (See-Dubya): Hmmmmm…has Cuffy found the Ragin’ Rev’s ghost writer?
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I just watched Jeremiah Wright at the National Press Club. I can’t believe what I heard him say.
A guy who sat in this man’s audience for 20 years and who contributed big $ to his efforts cannot possibly be president of all Americans.
It’s not that I hate Barack Obama. Based on his chosen friends, I’m starting to think that he hates me.
Maybe because at this point she is irrelevant.
lgm
HA! I beat you to it Blind Mule!
The MSM that give this…well…airtime, are evil. And anyone who supports this individual by attending any place he speaks, or monetarily in any respect, is laughing at us. As we stand, mouth agape, in front of the TV, sputtering ‘this talk is nonsense!’ ‘this is hate!’ ‘this rhetoric is insanity!, they are laughing at us. Laughing. Say something completely outrageous–say lots of outrageous, unsubstantiated, sinful lies, and dare anyone of a different race to call you on it. Because you will be given a pass.
I used to think Obama wasnt that bad. Then we met his friends, and got to hear what he says behind closed doors.
I really want to ask Wright a couple of questions:
-So how were the Iliad and the Odyssey past down for generations?
-Have you heard about various Catholic orders during the Middle Ages in Europe? They also memorized the Bible and other religious texts.
-So only black kids remember words to rap songs? Does that mean my white friends who know those words are actually part black or something?
-Does me knowing the word to many country and classic rock songs count as the same thing? Or is that different?
-Is this all a big joke? Are we getting Punk’d?
If a white man said the things he did about white and blacks being genetically different, he would be branded a racist
For 15 years I lived as a minority in a community where whites were hated . Trust me when I say, it’s almost impossible to not hate someone back that hates you. Wright/Obama’s hatred will beget hatred back and I’m not looking forward to it.
Yes, I attack him
I attack his “faith”. (actually I am not sure he has any belief in Christ, just the belief that he can con gullible fools into giving him money, power, and IRS tax preferred treatment)
I attack his white hating religion…
…just as certainly as I did KKK supporting churches and KKK supporting pastors I encountered back when I lived in Florida.
Jeremiah Wright is
justat least as racist as any of those.If he wants to open up the can of “dirrerent, then he has to allow the arguments that the particular difference might be inferior in certain ways.
Lets not go there, unless he insists.
(then drag his racist ass through the gutter he has meticulously crafted.)
Wright is an ordained minister of a Christian denomination, and this is what he’s preaching?? Brain theories and oppression politics? Christians of all colors should loudly repudiate this man and the “Black church” if this is what goes on there. I see no connection to God the Father, Son, or Holy Spirit in anything Wright has to say.
Oh and does anyone remember when Air Force’s football coach made these comments a few years ago?
People were furious.
Best bumper sticker slogan I saw:
H.O.P.E
How
Obama
Punk’d
Everyone!
Yeah, surrrrreeee this man isn’t a racist and a hater. I wonder how Wright accounts for those “multiracial” whites who aren’t as ethnically pure as blacks and one-dimensional whites.
It’s nice to know that with this Wright guy, the hit parade keeps on truckin.’
Being a left-handed white woman (and everyone knows left-handed people are very right-brained), I’m really confused about where I fit into all of this. Does this mean that all black people are left-handed or are white women like me a fluke of nature? And if the black brain is so far evolved over the white man’s, then can someone please explain why Africa is so poor and miserable? Hmm, maybe it has to do with their evolved and enlightened leadership?
The last thing we needed in this country is another Jackson or Sharpton. It looks like we have three of them now. This guy is not going away. He’ll be just another high profile race pimp and will get rich off of his rhetoric.
When is someone gonna put this garbage out with the rest of the trash??
He’s really starting to stink the place up.
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Faux News alert:
Scientists find a new racist gene. Apparently, it can only be found in white people.
Film at 11:00
Sorry AJ.
On-my-soap-box said (#91):
Einstein thought the speed of light in a vacuum was constant. This is a bedrock physical principle today. The formula E=mc^2 is equally solid.
Do you have a soapy opinion about conservation of energy or equivalence of inertial frames of reference?
And the N.P.R. bought his bovine feces, hook, line and sinker.
Great group of people. Where’s Tim McVeigh when you need him??
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Follow up questions for Rev. Wright:
Since, as ably-evidenced by your logical arguments, you are a left-brain person, and are capable of objective learning, as witnessed by your multiple quotations of old studies, published no less in the white man’s language, should you then be considered as “un-black” as possible, and your lessons rejected by the black community in general?
Follow up again: Do you then consider yourself to be the “typical” product of the traditional “white” education system, or an “untypical” product?
Additional question:
If you mock Vice President Cheney for his lack of service in any of this nation’s military branches, would you equally mock a President Obama, should he win the nomination and be elected? Cor0llary One: Do you therefore hold President Bush (either) in higher regard due to their service?
Corollary Two: Do you hold Pres. Abraham Lincoln in equal distain due to his lack of military service?
Final question:
As a non-typical, left-brain, logical, African-American, do you feel somewhat entitled to the million plus dollar home being built for you in a mostly-Caucasian community? Do you feel that you’ve “transcended” your race and are superior to others of the same color, who are on welfare, lack college degrees, have no military service, and refuse to seek employment? Or, on the other hand, are they just “different”, opressed by the “white system” and in need of “change”?
If you want to discuss “race” there are those of us MORE than willing to pick up that challenge! I doubt you’d agree to meet us in any public forum. You need to pick better folks than those in the media to question you.
Guess who is quickly losing more of the Catholic vote.
Does my choice for the CGI grendel qaulify for the beyond troll classification?
http://www.spawn.com/toys/movies/beowulf/grendel/images/beowulf_grendel_photo_01_dp.jpg
http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2007/10/09/grendel-beowulf.jpg
After watching Wright for a while, I came to the conclusion that he is mentally unstable. He lives in a world that has little or no connection to Christian principles or, for that matter, any reality that helps people better themselves and escape the victim status that liberal so love to exploit. Wright is so twisted by hatred that it is hard to believe that anyone could stick around to listen except others who need a weekly dose of hatred to make themselves feel good.
To assume that Barrack Obama is somehow immune from the associates he travels with requires that you suspend reason. Obama clearly chose his associates for his own reasons, and they are part of his personal development — even if he disowns those associates it still leaves the reasons in place to be explored and understood. Obama appears to be more and more a slick race hustler with great oratorical skills.
Not even then… I’ll lay odds on her being in a courtroom somewhere arguing before a Federal judge that the election process was corrupted by the Evilrightwingneonaziconservitives led by none other than Rush Limbaugh!
I don’t believe she knows the meaning of the word “inconceivable”.
If Hillary wins the nomination due to super-delegates, blacks will protest in the streets. If Obama wins the nomination due to super-delegates, Hillary will protest in a court-room.
Either way, it won’t be over until long after January 2009. Just proves that both sides are barking-mad in this case!
oldcollegeguy1980 said:
The Church of Christ has nothing to do with Wright.
Wright is a part of the United Church of Christ, which is an entirely different group.
True. And if you shine a light into lgm’s ear, you will be able to validate that position.
(Couldn’t help myself – he served up a fastball on the outside corner of the plate)
Wright is part of no church. It’s a business. And business is good.
Has anyone added up the church charities he listed and subtract that from the value of his new mansion?
Jimmy, Wright hasn’t given to any charities. Wright gave others money to charities and plenty to himself.
He’s buying RACE credits one charity at a time.
Hat tip to Al Gore.
It’s pretty ironic that Senator McCarthy was trying to protect us from the scourge that we’re facing now and people like lgm still think negatively of him.
BTW, nice attempts to change the subject with Robertson and Einstein. Instead of crapping on other people’s posts, how about actually explaining your view. You never answered my questions from another post on your ancestors. So how about an all new question.
Why should I believe that Wright is anything but a racist?
On April 28th, 2008 at 12:04 pm, lgm said:
Right – in a vacuum. And still, light is not constant.
No. It is your opinion that Einstein didn’t agree with quantum mechanics so things would not have been invented if people had believed him.
Well, light speed in space (a vacuum) is not constant (unless you control the conditions). Man has actually been able to speed up, slow down, and even stop, store and release light. Scientists have been measuring light in space for some time and have found that, in our part of the galaxy, the trend has been the light is speeding up.
How many things would not have been invented if this fact were known by Einstein?
Your argument is stoopid – again. Now, would you like to talk about the topic at hand for a change or do you concede that is something you have no idea about either?
Well, it seems to me that Jesse Jackson and AL Sharpton are in trouble of losing their positions as un-elected, u-asked spokesmen for all Blacks in this country. Here is this obscure little racist, America-hating bigot who just several months ago, no one ever heard of and now, all of a sudden, thanks to those very things hey is the Key Note Speaker at the NAACP conference as well as making all these television, radio and personal appearances…being given far more credit and attention than he deserves.
The things he is saying…especially in this instance…is single-handedly putting al race issues back over 50 years at least.
Suddenly, all races and peoples are no longer equal. Now, we are being told just how different we truly all are. After 40 years of Political Correctness, of Inclusiveness and of Multi-Culturalism, we are now being told that “Hey…guess what…all races are fundamentally, genetically different and thus we must all treat each race as such”.
Well I, for one, wish they…those that speak for all these races…would have just one fricken convention, seminar, meeting or whatever it takes and come up with the final way that everyone is supposed to be, think and feel. I don’t know about the rest of you, but I hav given up on trying to keep up on what the proper way to treat people is according to the latest Pop-Culture.
I have always just treated people the same, regardless of race, color, creed etc. I, personally, have never treated anyone different based on their race, beliefs or anything else…just on whether or not they are decent human beings.
However, once again, it appears that we are about to, once again, be treated to a new set of rules, a new guideline and frankly…I just don’t care anymore.
On-my-soap-box (#123):
Not in a vacuum. Look it up.
We are all different… but equal. Thus, to the liberal, the man who contributes nothing to society at large is worth as much as the biggest contributor. If all are equal, all deserve the same share of the world’s pie… and finally we reach the small germ of a seed at the heart of the infection; world socialism!
Unfortunately for liberals, the world is not some great big happy smoke-a-bowl” party. It is a constant and unceasing struggle to be. Not just to exist but to continue and carry one in the manner of our forefathers, and possibly to even better their results. Found in the soul of man is the ever-pressing need to be the Top Dog. Continent, country, race, religion; none of these matter one tiny bit.
Oh, and Michelle, you’re title at the top of this page should read “jeremiah-wright-racIST-phrenologist”. Fixed it for ya!
Wright is unbelievably divisive. All these years of trying to remove a racial divide from America and along comes Wright, stirring it up. Every human being is “different” from everyone else and it’s not found by race. Sorry Rev. Wright but I’m right brained and white.
What ever the exact answer, it has to be off beat since he’s got both black and white genes. Music must be very difficult for him.
Bitter Left Brained White Person
Wright’s appearance today spoke volumes about Obama. Noting that Obama is a politician who will do and say what he needs to in order to get elected, Wright clearly portrayed Obama as someone whose core beliefs are in line with Wrights. Their “basement” conversations, according to Wright, revealing the true Barak Obama.
Unfortunately for Obama, Wright’s views on the real Barak Obama are consistent with Obama’s own words. From Dreams From My Father:
On his experiences with white people during his life:
On the “white man’s rules”:
On how to deal with white people (including his grandmother):
Obama has become a master in employing those “tricks” he describes in his own book. And today, Jeremiah Wright endorsed that view with a hearty “AMEN”!
This man talks of linguistics and then says “Analyze DAT” and “Do Be”.
Ebonics is not a language!
BTW wasn’t the word colored deemed to be unacceptable years ago? Why is it not the NAAAA!
This man is the purest form of racism that exists!
Since Wright is the #1 racist in the country right now, I clapped for him with one hand with finger raised.
The Norse sagas, Beowulf, the Iliad, the Odyssey, the Pentateuch . . . . ad infinitum. When did our right-brained ancestors switch brain sides? Good grief! Wright is a pluperfect ignoramus.
lgm is just showing off, folks. He/she thinks we’re stoopid. Einstein, quantum mechanics, relativity, and the unified field theory have nothing to do with the price of eggs in Denmark.
Go ahead and explain them lgm, it’s pretty relevant here in this thread. I for one will have questions later.
No need.
I also said but you ignored:
Look it up.
I also said but you ignored:
Read Jesus Obama’s own words again.
““It was usually an effective tactic, another one of those tricks I had learned: People were satisfied so long as you were courteous and smiled and made no sudden moves. They were more than satisfied, they were relieved — such a pleasant surprise to find a well-mannered young black man who didn’t seem angry all the time.””
Looks like this tactic worked on Liberal America.
Many things move faster than light… Hillary grasping for the Democratic Party nomination… Obama for “hope and change”… Bill for an intern… The list is, as Einstein would say, “Infinite”.
Raised by his white, middle-class grandmother… Oh the horror of it! Now what could he have possibly had to be “angry all the time” about?
In my part of the midwestern U.S., we call it “having good manners”. It is not normally called a “tactic”.
So is his smiling, normal-appearing behavior now simply a tactic? Gosh I love it when liberals are speared by their own words!
Indeed. Question becomes, “Who’s a racist?”
Racist [RAY-sist]
1. n.
A. A conservative winning an argument with a liberal on the merits.
B. A person pointing at others as the cause of his or her own entrenched negativity, paranoia and/or lack of meaningful life achievement, and exclaiming, “Racist!”
See also: “Black Liberation Theology,” “Reverend” Jesse Jackson, “Reverend” Al Sharpton, “Reverend” Jeremiah Wright, “Reverend” Louis Farrakhan.
C. Anyone believing that past discrimination can be “cured” by present-day discrimination against the descendants of the ones who used to do the discriminating.
See also: “Progressive,” “White Guilt,” “Affirmative Action,” “Two Wrongs Make a Right.”
D. Any “Person of Pallor” who criticizes or questions a “Person of Color” for any reason.
E. Anyone who believes that a person’s pigmentation genetically pre-ordains that person’s cognitive abilities, as well as national, political and societal allegiances.
See also: “Race Traitor,” “Plantation Mentality,” “Uncle Tom,” “Aunt Jemimah,” “Oreo,” “Banana,” “My Skin Color Right or Wrong.”
2. adj.
Descriptor of arguments or reasoning that reveals or hints at characteristics attributable to racism (i.e., logic, evidence, and reasoned discourse).
I think it’s a lot more people’s blatant discrimination against less intelligent people rather than anything else that causes this.
The people who are so much against what could be almost called a fact are the ones who are most blatantly discriminatory against less intelligent people. In my strongest opinion, and all the evidence points to it, white people are the smartest race, so what?
Stupid leftys. If they should be doing anything it’s narrowing the huge divide between people who are smart and who aren’t, NOT this nonsense.
Leave it to liberals to pick a racist as a uniter.
Who would really vote for Obama – his book speaks volumes about his beliefs.
His friendship with a racist – the “good’ Rev. has everything to do with his character.
Yes, I said the word “Character!” Character has everything to do with how a person will handle themselves in an elected office. I know the media never wants to talk about a person’s character but they should.
Of course, if they did….we’d hardly have any politicians. No one would vote for them. Because character and politicians just don’t go together.
Talking about “tricks” and “tactics” in dealings with Whitey.
Throwing his grandmother under the bus.
Hanging for 20 years with Wright and his race baiting hate politics.
Admitting to seeking out the most Marxist professors he could find to learn from.
Hanging with Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn.
Do y’all see a pattern in Jesus Obama’s character?
Those of you who do not, please line up on the left!
Oooops, you’re there already.
Is anyone a better candidate for World’s Number One Racist?
I got a strange feeling that Rev. Wright’s rantings may become the new liberal “pet rock”.
If it’s Monday it must be “Kick Obama Day”! Yay! What fun!
lgm is correct in that light has not been sped up or slowed down with in a vacuum. With our current understanding of how the universe works the speed of light is maximum in a vacuum. Within any UNIFORM material the speed of light is a certain speed. It is reduced in speed from its approximate value of c = 3X10^8 m/s in a vacuum by the index of refraction of the material. For example a typical crown glass has an index of refraction of ~ 1.5 so the speed of light in that glass = c/1.5 = 2 X 10^8 m/s. So as far as that argument goes lgm is correct.
But there are theories and some evidence that the speed of light has been slowing since the big bang of ~14 Billion years ago. So it appears the speed of light is not constant over time.
As for the conservation of energy, it is actually the conservation of mass/energy. They cannot be separated. At the sub-atomic level a positron and an electron collide and thier mass is converted completely into energy through the process whose formula is E=mc^2 (Never confuse the formula with the physics, the formula is a model of the physics) So the mass is destroyed and energy is produced. Contradicting the view of Conservation of Mass and Conservation of Energy being two separate phenomenon. It only appears that way at our macroscopic level.
In comment #76 lgm made the following statement
There is no place in science for this kind of statement. It is almost indefensible for someone who I believe I read is a math teacher. This is not how science works. No scientist accepts a view on face value and stops searching, no matter whose view it is or was. The evidence was there in the experiments that the classical theories did not work. No one would have accepted Einstein’s view just because he was Einstein. In science experiment/observation is king.
As Richard Feynman once said in a lecture. “If it disagrees with experiment it is wrong. In that simple statement is the key to science. It doesn’t matter how how good the theory or what his name is, if it disagrees with experiment it is wrong.”
So Dr. Einstein could have made all the pronouncements he wanted but we would still have the transitor because true scientists do not accept someone’s view as the final answer no matter who he is. Stop getting your view of how science works from Al Gore.
You can say this though, at the beginning Einstein did bring up legitimate criticism of Quantum Mechanics and those criticism s led researchers to more finely tune their theories. This is how science works. All theories must be open to criticism and must prove themselves. In the end Einstein did not accept Quantum Mechanics, which is a shame since his explanation of the photo-electric theory is one of the cornerstones of early QM.
By the way when I said it had not been sped up or slowed down in a vacuum I meant by scientists. As I said it does appear to be changin over time. Sorry for any confusion
I’m confused about all this stuff about race. I have eight tones, I’m a blue eyed genetic mutant whitey, but right brained dominant. To top it all off, I’m sectoral heterochromatic. All this talk makes me feel weird, because I’m different. Are my civil rights being violated? Are there federal funds available for my condition or am I just TOO different?
lgm you have earned a four lemon award for that post…
JAH, thanks for the explanation. Science was not my strong suit but enjoyed your explanation.
terri
except in the field of biology obviously, where to disagree with evolution is to be EXPELLED
Michelle, I saw your Fox and Friends segment and as always you did a great job. I’m a member of your choir. I could not believe Fox would explore Jeremiah Wright’s racial brain theories and sure enough they did not. That would have light that station up for a week. Does Wright ’s theories specify the frontal lobes size in blacks is under developed or are they normal size (just different and not deficient). If so, much of the variation in black behavior might be better understood.
O Frontal Lobes Function:
o Motor Functions
o Higher Order Functions
o Planning
o Reasoning
o Judgment
o Impulse Control
o Memory
right4life
While I will not get into a debate about evolution itself since it is WAY outside my field of expertise, I will say that any and all legitimate competing theories need to be looked at and accepted or discarded as needed. The same goes for the AGW debate. Only by questioning what we think we know can we expand our knowledge.
On April 28th, 2008 at 7:32 am, crashemt said:
Any way we cut this cake, America is being served cow pies for the next 4 years.
Are these three really the best that America has to offer?
(Long Algore) Siiiighhhhh! Indeed! Why are we?
I agree. I think Expelled has done a great job of exposing the difference between rhetoric and reality
In all fairness to Jesus Obama, I’m sure Jesus Obama didn’t sit through the BRAIN PHYSIOLOGY SERMONS by Jeremiah Wright.
In the inimitable words of Sgt. Schultz.
“I see nothing, I hear nothing, I know nothing!!”
Jesus Obama just napped on Sundays.
I agree that this thread jack (sopie’s fault, not mine) is silly.
Ask any physicist (not almost any as in global warming) and you’ll get the same answer. The definition of time is so that the speed of light (in a vacuum) is one. I will do sudsie a favor by not suggesting he provide a link that says otherwise.
About the nature of science: people learn science from other scientists. Scientists teach theories they think are correct or at least have a chance of being correct. That’s why biologists don’t teach intelligent design. If nobody thought quantum mechanics could be correct, nobody would have taught it and it would have been quickly forgotten. Einstein didn’t believe (some parts of) quantum mechanics. It’s luck for us that he was unable to convince other scientists (and not for lack of trying).
To top it all, there are many websites all over the net like http://tinyurl.com/6pxysk People’s Organization for Progress with demands that Barack (with the unmentionable middle name) Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton seem to be endorsing!
Similarities between Jeremiah Wright and Leonard Jeffries from C.U.N.Y. are right on.
Both of these demagogues appear to play to the most infantile of their constituencies, by espousing the silliest of theories that contain plenty of sizzle but no steak.
Jeremiah Wright also displays a garish desire to be hip, much like a mother who “parties” in order to hang out with and be liked by her daughter’s friends. Case in point: his “riding durrty” sermon regarding Clinton/Lewinsky and, just now, his smiling reference to the black “dozens” tradition of misogynistic rants against an opponent’s mother.
Both are unusual subcultural references for a “man of God” to be proudly referencing while administering to the spiritual needs of his flock.
In addition, Jeremiah Wright also maintains the “community activist” tradition of adorning the dashiki and selling one’s wares in the poorest of black communities and then “punching out” to return to their upscale white communities.
Other activists who have practiced this commute include Dr. Leonard Jeffries and Al Sharpton.
lgm,
Ok you did not really read my post. It was the observation/experiments that showed that classical physics was wrong. If any scientist in the 30’s would have looked at the experiment and then listened to Einstein and others and stopped investigating and/or teaching the new science of QM because of a word from on high, then he should have been shown the door. Experiment/Observation convinces not the ability to argue the case.
The speed of light in a vacuum is not 1, the index of refraction of a vacuum is 1. It is really becoming obvious that you have no idea what you are talking about. If you were a math major in college you probably took 2 semesters or 3 quarters of physics maybe 4 quarters. Introductory physics that is. Which deals with the subjects at a very superficial level. The upper level classes are where the details and depth are at. That is why they are called survey courses. They are not meant to be complete or comprehensive on any one subject.
Reading Discover and Scientific American is no substitute for reading the Journal of Physics
Sorry, this
should have read
Apologies for any confusion
Hhmmmmmmmmmm. Let’s see, Obama Marxist, Hillary Socialist, both friends of bombers, terrorists, radicals, contributions to “charities”, Hillary’s charity is her own foundation with a donation of $10million from self and spouse (no other donations to any other charity on the horizon), McCain sitting back watching them implode….it’s such a long, long time to November.
No chance of a boring election THIS year. Just a scary as hell one!
jah,
Thanks for your information – it was great!
I did not argue “in a vacuum” was wrong. That is why I posted “no need” when prompted to “look it up”. I understand how light travels through a perfect vacuum (something man cannot achieve) until you talk about light in space (a vacuum). In the case of light in space, there is evidence of light at different speeds. The other point I made is that man can manipulate light. So, if man can manipulate light, imagine how the universe can manipulate light. The speed of light (for arguments sake) is a constant based on a mathematical computation. In space, it differs and in mans hands it differs.
My argument was to show his point is stoopid – which I did. For him to state things would not have been invented if Einstein had led people in his belief about quantum mechanics was reaching. I just took differing speeds of light to use as an example of how wrong his example was.
I should make my point more clear I guess so people will not get the impression lgm was right – on purpose.
The Obamessiah obviously hears 12 tones! I think sometimes all at once… Perhaps these “tones” prevented him from hearing a single one of Rev. Wright’s sermons over twenty years? I should certainly think just hearing one sermon would be all it would take!
Rev. Wright is correct about one thing; he’s sure not politicking for anyone! He’s in this for the money and clearly understands the benefit of FREEEEEEEEE National Publicity! CNN obviously does too or they would have never had him on. Since they did, and everyone will be talking about “what was said on CNN”, they receive the benefit of the exposure. Always follow the money…
On-my-soap-box
I didn’t think you had I just wanted to clarify things since there are probably members here who are not physicists/engineers. Did not meant to step on your toes.
Have a good day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEwP-Yh8pbQ
funny video about the change Obama will bring
uh yeah sure right. if they do, then we see what happens to them, they get EXPELLED, sued, silenced, and harassed by those defenders of ‘tolerance’ and ‘inquiry’ the darwinists.
darwinism has redefined science to mean atheism.
Let’s see if you lied again
Begin thread jack:
First to confront you on Einstein
I point out your thread jack:
Continue thread jack:
I joined in: (sorry folks)
Even when you thread jack you look to lay the blame on someone else.
jah,
It’s all good as we are working for a common good. Nice try with the troll. LOL’d when you said he was right. That is an accident. Toes not hurt as I did not see you as stepping on them!
Peace!
jah said (#159):
Bell, Podolsky, Rosen, …
You need to reread Kuhn.
The number we give for the speed of light depends on what units of time and length are used. It is possible to choose units so that c=1. Given that c is a fundamental constant, this is what people usually do.
On-my-soap-box said (#162):
No. But maybe you’re confusing this with gravitational lensing?
Nice deflection (as usual). You brought up the Einstein analogy, not Soap. You’re an adult so why don’t you take responsibility for your own thread jacking?
You are the thread jacking king. When you can’t reason or let the facts speak for themselves, you divert, distract, and deflect like no other. Is that the way you teach too?
Yes, let’s not let a silly thing like racism or race-baiting get in the way of a good ole bit of thread jacking, okay?
That would not be c that would be a ratio set up so you can instantly see the relative speeds and that is called n the index of refraction. n = 1.5 would mean a speed of light in the susbstance that is 1.5 time slower than the speed of light in a vacuum. Good try A for effort F for actually knowing what you are talking about.
Since scientists world wide, use SI units why would any of them use strange units that would make c = 1? SI units for speed are m/s or cm/s.
And I did say others, sorry I did not name names for you. But so what, how long was Newton considered right until experiment/observation began to show problems with his work. No argument from entrenched elders would have persuaded Einstein he was wrong about Special/General Relativity.
You can never prove a scientific theory right you can only prove it wrong and appealing to a higher authority cannot change that. Einstein was wrong, other physicists new it from observation and there was no way they would be dissuaded because an eminent scientist said so. He would not and could not persuade them the evidence was there.
That last line should have said “He would not and could not persuade them the evidence was not there.”
In other words, “laundering” his racist outlook and anti-U.S. screed with some good works? Hitler built the Autobahn and ordered the VW created for the common man. Mussolini made the trains run on time. Should we overlook their bad deeds too?
I am not too keen on them either, having to purge my grandmother’s mailbox of their incessant fund raising.
So what is your point? That we can’t criticize anyone unless we group criticize them? Spare me.
So you agree with us: Wright is unseemly.
Then, for the same reasons, you must see Al Gore and his criticism of “global warming deniers” as faulty, or at least contrary to real scientific endeavor.
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And Joe McCarthy correctly took down the Communists infiltrating our society. What a shame that liberals will never let the country thank him for that.
As for the rest of it, what does it have to do with Wright being a racist fool who is a principal advisor to a frontrunning presidential candidate (unless he is running at the speed of light)?
Stay focused, man!
Great line!
LOL
sheeesh… I’m starting to feel really disadvantaged now.
I can’t jump, I can’t sing, I can’t take off my white googles, I can’t give money or vote for anyone except Obama without being a racist, and now I’ve got a bum brain.
Bingo. So sad lgm argues this point.
Proof?
It was scientific fact the universe revolved around the earth! It was scientific fact that the sun revolved around the earth. Anybody who contradicted the “facts” was branded a heretic. Kinda like having science prove ALGORE wrong today.
Now the Wrong Wright Rev want to state as “fact” I should be left brained and the African Americans are right brained. I say he has the same stupid gene as you. What say you, lgm?
BINGO. So sad lgm argues this point….
Sorry I missed that in the last post.
libs use the leftist brain, conservatives use the right brain (right on)
and Wright has no brains at all
With Obama being half black and half white, what if he has a black left brain and a white right brain leaving him with a brain where neither side wants to be in command?
I’ve just listened to Brit Hume doing a segment with Megyn Kelly about the Jeremiah Wright situation. Brit spent his entire five minutes either bending over backwards to be fair to “Rev.” Wright or bending over backwards to acknowledge that Obama probably does not believe the things that Wright has been saying.
I used to hold Brit Hume out as a huge hero for having been a star MSM reporter who broke with the leftist slant and gave huge credibility to FOX and conservatism in general. And I am sure that most people here still hold that opinion. But what has he done for us lately?
It is not just because I deplore O’Reilly and Sheppard and Geraldo that the FOX star has dimmed for me. The network is just like McCain, abandoning its core fanbase and trying to broaden the franchise. And there is no way that I can exclude Special Report from this critique. The “Beltway Boys” are deplorable. And what happened to John Gibson? When Gibson — a strong conservative voice — had the 5 p.m. hour, Hume never pumped the show by appearing for segments. I don’t believe that Brit — the 800 lb gorilla in FOX political coverage — does not have a heavy hand in the general drift of things over there.
Forgive me, this is a Jeremiah Wright thread. Maybe I should have left it with simply: After the spectacle of Wright’s appearance before the press assn., Brit Hume is busy on FOX apologizing for Wright AND and downplaying the substantive significance of his relationship with Obama. Sad and sickening, IMO.