No matter how many solutions you come up with to their objections, they’ll come up with more and more unreasonable objections because the voter fraud always falls in their favor.

I had honestly believed that Rusty was going to come into the light on this one because he was making reasonable objections and accepting the answers.

I lived in Chicago for 5 years before moving (back) to Indiana. After I moved back to IN, I received from the Chicago Board of Elections, a notice with my current Indiana address reminding me to vote on election day. Of course, this is Chicago, so I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised.

On a different note, since IN has had Mitch Daniels, a fantastic governor in office, plenty of things have changed – notably, the time one waits at the BMV. I have had to go 2x in the last year (once for new license, once for plate renewal) and I was in and out in 8 minutes and less than 4 minutes, respectively. Your wait time is listed on your receipt. So the “people don’t have time to get an i.d” argument doesn’t really work here.

The US Supreme Court decided yesterday that Indiana’s Voter Identification law requiring citizens to show a picture ID in order to vote does not violate the Constitution. The majority opinion, written by Justice John Paul Stephens, argues that re…

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Shockingly, I think I find myself on the side of EQ et al.

**blink**

I know I’m due for an eye exam, but I didn’t think my vision was that bad, because I can’t believe what I’m reading.

Shockingly, I think I find myself on the side of EQ et al.

That is all, please continue.

The Declaration of Independence says: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness …” I don’t see anything in there that says one of the unalienable rights is the right to vote.

All our other liberties have been granted to us by our government, starting with those enshrined in the Constitution. It’s THOSE rights that we’ve given away by our inaction.

It’s getting time to take them back. Freedom isn’t cheap. The price is blood. I’ve paid my dues, and NOBODY has the right to take that freedom away from me. Something Rusty and some of our other resident trolls don’t seem to understand.

EQ, they do what you suggest already with a signature.

Yes, because nothing is stopping me from signing someone else’s name, right?

Furthermore, I doubt that these ID laws would have had little effect on Milwaukee voting.

Nope. Our governor loathes voter ID. So each and every time I vote, it doesn’t count.

Guess my rights really don’t count, do they?

Thanks.

I’ll admit (with a little shame) that I know of the Wave, but do not follow them. They lost 14-13 in Game 2 of the Semifinals to Baltimore. Howes won MVP and Tozer was awarded Coach of the Year. (From the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel)

Speaking of the Journal-Sentinel, they issued their editorial on the Voter ID ruling. Given what I posted above, this comes as no surprise:

Such a law would be antithetical to Wisconsin’s long tradition of high voter turnout, spurred by having as few obstacles as possible to citizens exercising their right to the ballot.

The court majority downplayed both the obstacles that a photo ID requirement will impose and the obvious partisan motivation for wanting such a requirement.

The dissenting justices got it right. Without a valid state photo ID or passport, it is no small feat to get one – if, for instance, you don’t have a birth certificate or other official documentation handy to prove identity, don’t know how to go about getting them and have uneven access to the money and transportation to make all this happen.

“No big deal,” many are saying, with their driver’s licenses sitting in their wallets, their birth certificates and passports in a safe place at home and a car or two in their garage. That isn’t the real world for many people.

The court said the Indiana law is non-discriminatory. However, to get there the justices had to ignore who are most likely not to have photo IDs. That would be the elderly, the poor and minority groups, folks who tend to vote Democratic.

The court dispensed with the partisan underpinnings of voter ID laws much too easily. Arguments for the law “should not be disregarded simply because partisan interests may have provided one motivation for the votes of individual legislators,” Justice John Paul Stevens wrote.

In other words, even though widespread voter fraud doesn’t exist in Indiana, Wisconsin or in the rest of the nation, we still should ignore that hurdles have just been placed, mostly by GOP legislators, before traditionally disadvantaged groups that – wink, wink – just happen to vote for the other party.

Such a poor excuse for an editorial, an argument as weak as the paper it’s printed on…

Furthermore, I doubt that these ID laws would have had little effect on Milwaukee voting. If going through that much trouble to tamper with elections, it’s not like an ID requirement would be that much of an obstacle. It’s easier to fake an ID than it is to fake a signature anyways.

BTW-How did the Milwaukee Wave do this year? I had season tickets when I was living in Kenosha!

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Petition the governments to open DMVs on one weekend/month.

That should give everyone time to get to the DMV.

You’re *really* speaking in hypotheticals. Meanwhile, while no proof of fraud has been proffered in Indiana, I have loads of it here in Milwaukee. what Indiana is doing is stopping this fraud before it becomes a problem.

I still cannot believe there people who work at jobs where it’s completely and totally impossible for them to get to the DMV. It’s not that they can’t, they make excuses for doing so.

So the argument that we cannot possibly do anything to protect the polls because a few might have tyrants for bosses is a straw man.

Let’s say I go to the polls. I say I’m “John Doe from 1234 Main Street”, but I’m really “Jim Smith” from another city. I vote, and when the REAL John Doe shows up, his vote is lost – cast by someone else. His right to vote has been denied.

True, there are laws in place that make what Jim’s doing illegal, but how do you enforce them? How do you know if Jim is John, if Jim isn’t a felon, if Jim’s even an American citizen or resident of that particular district?

You don’t. And good luck trying to ID Jim based on the eye-witness testimony of poll workers who’ve seen hundreds of faces.

Or what if I walk into several polling places with bad addresses? Present the names of deceased individuals?

There is really nothing to stop me from doing that. The laws are such that it’s virtually impossible to trace a criminal, let alone prosecute.

Which is why we need to put laws in place that ensure the integrity of voting.

Which is what I’m arguing for. I’m also in favor of a marking system a la the “purple finger” – an indellible mark that stays with you long enough to make it evidently clear you’ve voted and won’t get a second vote.

Because when I go to the polls, I want my vote to count. Once. Just as yours should count. Once. There is no “right” to usurp my right to a legal vote.

Our politicians are supposed to be elected by the people…vote by vote…not by fraud. We do not get a representative government when elections are tainted by fraud.

Most employers not only require an ID to work there, most would be glad to give their employees time to go and get one.

All employers need ID. But remember the ID requirements are stricter for voting than they are for working. My student ID, SS card, and birth certificate were enough to get me into a job at a grocery store. Not enough to vote though.

Most would be glad to give their employees time off? Really? Either those jobs are paid by the hour or by tips (so the hypothetical poor unlicensed worker loses badly needed money) or they tell that person to do it on their own time (which for some isn’t that easy).

cpo, just because people in a tyranny are not able to vote doesn’t mean that they don’t have that right.