Tell-all madam commits suicide
Washington, D.C. breathes a little easier:
A body police believe to be 52-year-old Deborah Jeane Palfrey was found in a shed near her mother’s mobile home Thursday morning in Tarpon Springs, about 20 miles northwest of Tampa. Police said she left a suicide note, but they did not disclose its contents or how she killed herself.
This is the lady that threatened to reveal the names of her customers if she was forced to stand trial–and her customers supposedly include many prominent names among the Beltway’s political elite.
What a sordid, brutal, ugly business to be in. But then, so is prostitution.
Palfrey’s is not the first suicide in connection with the investigation:
One of the escort service employees was former University of Maryland, Baltimore County, professor Brandy Britton, who was arrested on prostitution charges in 2006. She committed suicide in January before she was scheduled to go to trial.
Last year, Palfrey said she, too, was humiliated by her prostitution charges, but said: “I guess I’m made of something that Brandy Britton wasn’t made of.”
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I would wait for more details, but…at a glance, it does sound a bit suspect.
Guess we’ll have to wait and see how it pans out.
Does any one have her list of clients?
L
I, in no way condone murder but what did she think would happen after she threatened to disclose her clients one-by-one? Presumptuous - sure. This doesn’t pass the smell test. If she did in fact kill herself, that’s very unfortunate.
Arkancide.
God, please have mercy on her. Please forgive her, I pray, in Jesus Christ’s name, amen.
RevJim
Took the word right out of my mouth …
It’s a shame. If a person wants to pay for sex and it’s a business transaction between two consenting adults, then so be it. No one is being deprived of life, liberty, or property.
Here comes another Congressional investigation and hearings for a standard homocide.
This situation is ripe for a major conspiracy.
A sudden suicide by a woman who threatened to disclose the names of her high profile political clients. Smells fishy.
Very bad news.
Question now is, did she leave instructions with someone in the event of her death to release the info?
Agreed.
First thing that crossed my mind.
Professor Brandy committed suicide, too?
Wow! What a coincidence!
One can only hope she, her little black book, her phone, her e-mail, her mail-man, her meter man and all other potential contacts have been under constant surveilance.
Great call See-Dub, LMAO. I can’t wait for the details of this to come to light. (If they ever are to be brouht to light. Lot’s of political heavyweights no doubt)
* channeling Billy Jeff * “I did not have sex with that woman.”
“This is the lady that threatened to reveal the names of her customers”
Yup, that is suicide alright.
Funny that she chose a shed to end her life in… most people choose some place more peaceful… like a park bench.
It’s hard not to be cynical in this instance.
Meanwhile, according to the New York Post, the owner of the escort service that brought down Eliot Spitzer is working out a plea deal with the feds. So said his lawyer, who is known in the profession as “Don’t Worry Murray.”
May God’s forgiveness and eternal blessings be with her. I, too, am quite cynical about this turn of events. When it comes to holding on to power, DC politicians will stop at nothing.
On May 1st, 2008 at 2:16 pm, letget said:
“Does any one have her list of clients”?
I heard a rumor that lgm has the only list
How VinceFosterish!
Ok. I have to say it. “Vince Foster,” anyone? Is old Slick Willy implicated? Ah, sheep dog beat me to it.
I think I’ll wait for an autopsy before believing it was suicide…or have I read too many Ted Bell/Brad Thor/Vince Flynn books? Two suicides sounds fishy to me…but then I also read the book about Vince Foster’s death, another so-called suicide investigated by the part police!
Red, please don’t feed this guy.
Gary Condit unavailable for comment.
that woman killed herself in a trailer. she went from a multimillion dollar establishment, albeit illegal, to killing herself in a trailer. she wasn’t killing anyone. she wasn’t raping anyone. she wasn’t trafficking her product to the benefit of terrorists.
the gov’t should be ashamed of itself. this is one of those instances where i feel my tax dollar is not being spent where it could be the most effective.
This is too funny! I wrote my 1st comment before reading anyone else’s. We all had the same first thought!
Really suspicious. I remember her saying in an interview that she would not contemplate suicide, that she was prepared to reveal at least some of her clients and that she was afraid someone might arrange an accident or suicide in order to prevent that. Quite a coincidence….
oops, meant “park police”! Sheesh, when will I learn to use “Preview”?
bloghooligan re; “this is one of those instances where i feel my tax dollar is not being spent where it could be the most effective“.
Pretty darn effective if you think about it…
I wonder where Detroit Mayor Kwame Malik Kilpatrick’s goons were when it happened.
killing her is no guarantee her list of clients would disappear. in fact, it would be more reason for it to be revealed.
Talk about a convenient turn of events for those on her client list. I know I am a cynic, but I am wondering if this will be the usual Arkancide victim with a couple of shots to the back of the head.
I’ve never seriously considered offing myself. But if I did, I don’t think it would be in a trailer park in Tarpon Springs, FL.
However, her trial was over, and she was due for sentencing in July. If she hadn’t publicized her client list by now, what was she waiting for?
On May 1st, 2008 at 2:51 pm, bloghooligan said:
“killing her is no guarantee her list of clients would disappear. in fact, it would be more reason for it to be revealed”.
Yes but without her testimony, it is hearsay…
Yep, I think I would “cry” wolf on this one. Hopefully she left instructions upon her un-timely death.
This definitely smells bad…..
Careful, careful, his uh “goons” are watching everything said about him… we must all log off now and go back to our business….Nothing to see here folks, just get back to work… Loging off…
It seems there will not even be much of an investigation into this suicide:
“It was her, and she’s deceased,” said Frank Ruggiero, a public information officer with the Tarpon Springs Police Department. “There’s no question that it was a suicide.”
So sure, so soon…. Talk about effective use of tax dollars. Entire case solved and closed in an instant.
Source: FoxNews
Seems as we are all on the same page. Did she miss the bus to Fort Marcy Park?
I almost hate to say it again….but…on another thread I brought up Gary Webb. Who is Gary Webb….well, there is enough on him out there on the net to find out and form your own opinions.
However….his autopsy stated that it was “suicide” despite the fact that he had 2….count em….2 bullet holes in his head. Hmmmmm…..quite strange.
I’m also at a loss. She had good grounds for appeal, since the feds’ seizure of her assets kept her from getting competent legal representation and their arguments left room for reasonable doubt. If this particular business is illegal, why are escorts and escort agencies allowed to advertise in the Yellow Pages and on the Internet? You won’t see any ads, for example, for Pasquale’s Floating Crap Game.
And a distraction from Wight & May Day… clever.
From the FNC article: “It was her, and she’s deceased,” said Frank Ruggiero, a public information officer with the Tarpon Springs Police Department. “There’s no question that it was a suicide.”
I suppose Frank would know better than I do, but I find it suspect that he’s making such a statement. “No question”, eh?
I think not! Many questions!
Surveryor–
Gary Webb was a crank who thought that the CIA was running cocaine into the United States. His suicide was tragic but understandable after his allegations were shown to be false and his paper let him go.
They still provide fuel for demagogues and America haters like Jeremiah Wright, though.
Yeah I know he was thought of as a crank but he did manage to dig up a lot of interesting info that obviously got the attention of a lot of people. And he did manage a pulitzer….but hey….so did Gore!
Still….with 2 holes in the head…doesn’t seem like a suicide to me. Despite some of his crackpot ideas.
I meant Gore got a Nobel prize….but you see where I’m going….
In a shed???? Why would someone who is used to the good life go die in a shed???? Add another to the list we won’t know about..
She may have cut a deal with those on the mystery list. We’ll know for sure, if her mom moves out of the trailer and into a nice McMansion in Naples.
Jus’ sayin’
Connected to Wash.DC elites - watch your mouth or else!
Let’s see:
a lawyer friend of Hill and Bill’s - found in M.Park -suicide-name Vince Foster.
Ron Brown-knew a lot –suicide…..
and on and on –both sides of the aisle.
I admit, the minute I saw this on a news site, my first thought was that something didn’t seem quite right. I hate to play conspiracy theory, but I just think she was playing with fire, threatening to expose so many prominent people. I never understood exactly why she’d threaten to do it, it wasn’t going to get her any less of a sentence, or prove her innocence.
And to add, I am like some others here, I have no problems with two people making a business transaction to have sex. I see no reason for it to be illegal…I’m not a fan of the government legislating morality. I know a lot of you will disagree with that, and that’s fine…I just have a really strong affinity to liberty, even for things that may not be so good for you.
A bigger mystery is why the feds targeted Palfrey in the first place when there are dozens of escort businesses in our nation’s capital, all offering the same, ahem, services. And who do you think patronizes them? Hint: it’s not the security guards in the Capitol or the shelf stockers in the Library of Congress.
Looks like a job for an independent prosecutor… I recommend Elliot Spitzer, any care to second that?
Yes, because it is illegal. By putting these people into the shadows, along with drugs users, there is no place for them to go for protection — violent johns and pimps know this. The cops are putting these women at the constant risk of violence up to and including murder. It is a direct consequence of the laws of economics, or more precisely the Public Choice extension of those laws. Sorry if any of this offends, but but deal with it if it does. Ignorance of these laws is no excuse.
Oh, sure, prostitution would instantly become noble and dignified were it legal.
As would drug use.
I wonder if the death of Vince Foster will come up again as a result of this. Supposedly Vince Foster was found with his head facing down hill and the dry blood on his face was running uphill.
As a side observation, I notice how those who commit suicide were sometimes on prescription psychiatric drugs at the time and wonder if the Madame was on them as well. If so, how recently did she start them?
“Still….with 2 holes in the head…doesn’t seem like a suicide to me. Despite some of his crackpot ideas.”
It’s rare, but it can happen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_gunshot_suicide
who claims legalization would lead to people being dignified or noble?
legalization is, in my opinion, a recognition that prohibition doesn’t work. further, prohibition costs tax payers with little benefit - in terms of prostitution. it can not be stopped as long as we live in a free society (and hell, even in Iran there are prostitutes…that high ranking officials frequent)
Palfry’s crime is that she didn’t pay taxes. she didn’t fund terrorism. she didn’t need to use a pimphand on her ‘hos’. she was a business woman who gave a customer base that sought her out what it wanted.
LOL. I nominate this for International Blogger quote of the week!
thanks for the link….I read through it and have heard of this before….but…
as Johnny used to say…”that’s some weird - wild stuff”
“What a sordid, brutal, ugly business to be in. But then, so is prostitution.”
Now that’s just a great bit of writing.
I always hated working suicides, if that’s what this is. But regardless of how it happened, it’s terrible that someone died. Her actions were criminal, but it’s not like she is killer or child molestor. That shouldn’t be lost in the examination of the story.
It’s not that impossible that a woman who is facing a criminal trial, who is exposed for what she was, would kill herself.
And killing yourself in a shed is something I have seen, in addition to garages, a back porch, sitting in a car and so forth.
I hope a solid investigation is conducted and it not just assumed, because of a note (which really isn’t all that common) being left is proof in itself.
In the late 80’s I had a temp job w/a small-ish newspaper in a town a stone’s throw from Chicago.
It was proof-reading entries of articles from the tombs typed from microfis (can’t remmbr how2spell it) into their fancy new system.
I remember a case where a “disreputible businessman, former tavern owner” committed suicide. No question!
He shot himself 4x in the back of the head. ;-O
I wonder if this is the grandson of the ME from that case… ;-p
- musculus
Like chris from germany said, I too heard her interview , on coast 2 coast for almost at least an hour. all her phone records were not requested by the IRS on her trial. she said at that time almost 40 pounds of phone numbers and records for billing were in her basement….yep, Vince Foster,etc. She sounded very reasonable and sane. sorry for not posting sooner, I’m on the road , trucking in New Jersey,etc. I DO read MM a lot. You guys are good. Kudos.
Yeah, this whole thing is not only suspect, but an obvious lie. You mess with the political elite, and you end up dead.
Whoa, just had a flashback to the days of the Clinton presidency–all those suicides, solved in minutes, with all kinds of strange ways to commit suicide. Like bullet holes in the back (?) Where IS CSI when you need them. I pray for this woman in Jesus’ name.
Who knows why people do the things they do? She may not have wanted to leave a mess for her mother to clean up. There was a man in my ex-husbands neigborhood who covered his garage with visquene before he shot himself.
People who accuse the Clintons of “Arkancide” are no better than the crackpots who think George Bush and Dick Cheney brought down the Towers. Get a grip.
As the Publican said: God have mercy on me a sinner. I only hope for God’s mercy on all souls that are in such despair.
I know I’ll get howls of protests, but I think this is a very sad story. No, I’m not a liberal at all, but any woman who winds up in prostitution lives a sad, wretched life. Whether this poor woman died by her own hand or by someone else’s, it’s extremely sad. I feel horrible for her elderly mother who discovered her daughter’s body. I can’t imagine that kind of pain.
On May 1st, 2008 at 2:26 pm, cpodug said:
* channeling Billy Jeff * “I did not have sex with that woman.”
maybe jes a little bit ‘o dat ole “dirty ridin”
#54 see-dubya: it isn’t whether it’s noble or not; it’s a matter of who owns your body: you or the government? it’s a matter of liberty. yes, legalize prostitution and legalize drugs. use the money for rehab rather than incarceration. why should it be the government’s business if two consenting adults engage in sex, whether money is involved or not? it isn’t infringing on my life, on my liberty, or on my property.
Oh PUHLEEZE, RUSTY #66. There is quite a body of evidence concerning a number of mysterious “suicides” during Clinton’s years as Governor. So, don’t pull that conspiracy theory bull! I will continue to believe that both Bill and Hill are less than honorable and have a lot of unscrupulous friends willing to carry out their “orders.” Spare me your condescending retort to get a grip!
You mean outside of the moral implications of such acts of course. But then again based on your views I would gather to guess you don’t have any base of absolute morality. I would make one leap further to guess you believe morals are relative to the society you live in.
It may not be infringing on your life, liberty, or property but then again life isn’t just about you now is it? What about the children of prostitutes? Do you think it is a good role model for your (hypothetical) daughter to have your (hypothetical) wife selling her body for money? As for the drugs, at what age do you prescribe making it legal for “everyone”? 2, 6, 10, 14, 18? Would you make it a crime to give your (hypothetical) 6 year old daughter a line of coke? You want all drugs legalized? What about the date rape drug? Is that fare game? If not, why? Wouldn’t that be hypocritical to your claims? People would argue they are taking it for themselves and not intending to hurt another would they not?
I guess we can be thankful people like khan don’t make the laws… yet.
Wasn’t Ron Brown killed in a plane crash somewhere in what used to be the USSR?
There are no coincidences in politics. I hope someone has a copy of her client book - would make fascinating reading.
My first response to the above was, “and you believe everything Wikipedia posts?” until I remembered my dad’s cousin who shot himself in the head, and when he didn’t find himself instantly dead, he shot again. 2nd times’ the charm, in his case…with his wife watching.
Maybe on of her clients ‘offed’ her.
RE: Alaskangrizzly, #72:
Ever drink a glass of whiskey? Have a cigar? Cigarette? How about taking Advil ? Pseudophed? Nyquil?
Hmm, me thinks you should re-think your ideas on the “War on (Some) Drugs.”
As per age: I’d say 16 or 17 rather than 18, but an adult is an adult; either you’re capable of making your own choices or not, but the debate should be at what age, not what decisions. Where’s the logic in saying that you are rational enough to put your life at risk by doing X but not by doing Y? I’d actually like a reply to this: if you can risk your life/health by joining the army or becomming a logger or whatever other dangerous profession, why can’t you risk your life/health by doing some (other than currently legal) drug? The only difference I see is that YOU want to benefit from one, which means that you want others to risk their lives for you but not for themselves. Do you think that’s OK, according to *your* moral values?
Oh, and as for using drugs on other people? Where did you get the idea that allowing people to do whatever they want to themselves means that they can do so to others? That’s completely illogical and unrelated (I’d say antithetical) to what Khan was saying.
That summed up your position right there for me sclawstudent. Thanks for clarifying.
Careful. You might be getting fitted for a tinfoil hat.
fwiw, Ron Brown’s plane crashed in Croatia …
Prostitution may not be dignified or noble, but the purpose of legalizing some forms of it is to keep it safe, clean and honest. Gambling isn’t dignified or noble, but politicians have no problem legalizing certain forms of that vice. As for morality, more damage is done to society by people violating the Ninth Commandment than by violating the Seventh.
Perhaps some distinction should be drawn between legalizing and decriminalizing prostitution. I have to wonder if some of the folks here voicing support for the legalization of prostitution might actually be more in favor of decriminalization of prostitution and not all-out legalization.
I myself have not ever partaken of marijuana in any of its forms, yet I do support the decriminalization of marijuana. And no, that position does not make me devoid of morality, nor an advocate of “harder” drugs.
jmo, but every time a story dealign with this issue appears, the libertarians, like clockwork, show up with the “oh, if only this wasn’t illegal .. ”
well, newsflash, at the moment IT IS ILLEGAL. sooo, you want to change the laws, go for it, that’s why we’re in a representative republic. until then, deal. advocating decrimilalization is not much different than the much maligned “elites” who want to give a pass to illegal immigrants, so i can’t see how anyone here can justify that type of position too eaily.
Re: alaskangrizzly #72
One can have an absolute moral base, a precise moral compass and the opinion that government shouldn’t regulate that morality.
The purest form of socialism is when one turns to government for their moral compass - forsaking their creator. My friend, when government becomes God, society becomes Sodom and Gomorrah.
It’s easily justified because illegal immigration != prostitution != marijuana. Those are three entirely different issues, so yes, one can stand for the decriminalization of prostitution and/or marijuana, but still be in favor of strong immigration/border enforcement.
fair enough, but what i wuz trying to say is those trying to give the madam a pass here and now are putting themselves in a poor position vis a vis the border jumpers …
Hey all,
What, no mention of David Vitter (R-La.)?
if yer trying to imply if vitter should be suspected of knocking her off, kindly sthu …
#72: the people like me who made the laws would be our founding fathers.
my morals are my own; if you want to engage in that behavior, that is your own doing. if you find it immoral, then don’t do it, but don’t tell me that it is government’s role to be your moral arbiter. if you like to gamble and i think gambling is morally wrong, i’m still not going to stop you, because it doesn’t affect my life, liberty, or property. i love how some here are so quick to presume someone else’s beliefs. without fail, they are incorrect. for the record, i abhor relativism. i do cherish liberty, personal choice, and personal responsibility. if you want to smoke, gamble, solicit prostitutes, i don’t care. neither should government. you alone are to answer to yourself and to your spiritual authority, and not to me or to government.
always with the “what about the children” appeal to emotion. no, a parent engaging in prostitution is not infringing on the child’s right of life, or liberty, or property. as for your silly example of the date rate drug, if you want to ingest it yourself, i’m fine with it. if you want to use it to commit assault on someone else and hurt someone else, then i’m not. why? because you are forcefully infringing on someone else’s rights. it’s really not a complicated concept.
#83# Buckaroo: “advocating decrimilalization is not much different than the much maligned “elites” who want to give a pass to illegal immigrants, so i can’t see how anyone here can justify that type of position too eaily.”
Equating the decriminalization/legalization of prostitution and drugs to giving a free pass to illegal immigrants? There is no comparison; they are worlds apart. You think just because someone is an advocate for personal responsibility, accountability, and liberty that they are in favor of open borders/amnesty/etc.? Let me assure you, you’re dead wrong.
Far be it for me to endorse a conspiracy theory, but this bears too much coincidence to ignore.
Kall me a kook. This is a real konspiracy theory.
# 90
again, all i’m sayin’ is she was just as much a criminal as a border jumper, the tone and implications of several posts on this thread are that she should have been given some sort of pass, which is wrong for her to be given a pass JUST LIKE it’s wrong to give the border jumpers a pass …
Well, as one of the Libertarians in the thread, let me say:
1. I am somewhat in favor of the decriminalization of marijuana, and prostitution. I have not engaged in either of those, though, and have no intention to.
2. I am very much for a strong border, and don’t understand why anyone would try to equate the issues in my point #1 here with border security.
3. I am not saying that the madam should have received a “free pass”. Reality is, she broke the laws, and had to deal with the consequences. I’m all for that. I’m more about the big picture, and the thought that it’s not a law that is necessary (IMHO).
Let’s not fall into the weeds on this. Something seems awfully fishy about this, and I think it is still a possibility she killed herself (to avoid spending all that time in prison), but I also realize it’s very likely someone powerful didn’t want her to talk.
RE AK grizzly post #72,
I abhor moral relativism; moral relativism is itself immoral, anti-life, and anti-mind.
As a poster on a conservative site, I made assumptions about what your moral values are. I presumed that your, and my, moral values would prohibit us from violating someone else’s freedom when they have not harmed someone else. Yet, your stated views would lead to the opposite result. I was attempting to point out that your reasoning forced you to contradict what I assumed *your* moral values were. I thought you would dismiss any arguement saying that you violated *my* morals because you don’t know me, but would listen to one that focused on your own values.
Now that that is cleared up, what is the answer to the question? (What is the logic in saying that you are rational enough at age N to put your life at risk by doing X but not by doing Y?)
Latest report is that they found her hanging. If I remember correctly, women usually use less graphic means to commit suicide. Plus, a hanging can also be a cover for someone who was previously strangled. And a shed is out of the norm as well - very unfamiliar surroundings. Several suicide notes were reported found. One would have been more convincing. I would not call suicide a slam dunk conclusion just yet.
The whole thing stinks on ice.
I don’t read certain posts here as equating the granting of amnesty to illegal aliens to the legalization of prositution and drug use.
I interpret the posts as saying that the same attitude is behind both:
Oh…illegal aliens problem?
Grant them amnesty, and legalize them.
No more illegal aliens.
Problem solved.
Oh…prositution and drug crimes?
Legalize prostitution and drug use.
No more prostitution and drug crimes.
Problem solved.
Both could be considered to be a gimmick to sweep a problem under a rug, and make a problem disappear from a statistic book.
Presto! The statistic book shows resolution of (a) problem(s).
Next problem we need to “deal” with….
Well apparently there was a whole lot of assuming going on all around. So my apologies for assuming you and khan were moral relativists.
As to your repeated question, I would agree with the premise but argue it’s practicality. For example, I could never figure out why when I signed up for the Army at 18 that I could be shipped off to a hostile foreign country and potentially die but not be able to buy a beer after I got off work. However, there are so many instances where absolute freedom doesn’t seem to make sense. The legal age to drive is 16 in most states, and driving remains one of the most dangerous things most people do on a daily basis based on fatal car accident statistics. Yet anyone in this country can use a gun legally for target practice on a range for example at any age the parent feels the child is responsible enough to use said firearm. So I think your question breaks down in certain situations due to what society has deemed to be an appropriate age for certain dangerous activities. Since I could take your question and ask:
What is the logic in saying that you are rational enough at age 6 to put your life at risk by doing shooting a gun but not by driving a car?
“What is the logic in saying that you are rational enough at age 6 to put your life at risk by shooting a gun but not by driving a car?”
You aren’t: your parents are making that choice. Not to get nit-picky, but your parents can also let you drive their car on their own private property, should they have the inclination, at whatever age they want. But you bring up a good point: there are lots of inconsistent age limitations in our society, giving different ages for “maturity.” This is because our laws are formed and change ad hoc and piece by piece. It wouldn’t take much effort to say “OK, 17 years of age is the limit, go buy your guns, booze, join up, etc.” It would take one piece of legislation. It would just take political cahones, which apparently are in short supply these days, and most of our politicians don’t value logical consistancy very highly, if at all (e.g. This isn’t helping my children).
Politicians have one critieria for legalizing certain forms of gambling: How do we maximize revenue? (Okay, I exaggerated for effect, but stay with me for a moment.)
You tell me why almost every state has a legal, state-run lottery drawing (or two or three), a game of pure chance with crummy odds and with little overhead. Why have most of these same states not allowed legalized poker rooms, a game where sizing up the odds, and sizing up your competition in order to win tip it into the territory of a game of skill. Could be because the house doesn’t make as much profit which can be taxed (compared to the number of slot machines that could be put in that floor space)?
Sorry for the rant, but as an avid poker player, this argument rang a bit hollow.
…..That should be on her obituary..or tombstone….
Ms Palfrey did what she did…out of her own volition. Whether she killed herself or was murdered, that lifestyle has consequences. She could have been a doctor, lawyer…..and yet Brandy Britton was a professor who ALSO happened to have decided for that type of life.
Rio
Semper Fi!
Yep …this so-called suicide smells fishy…I wonder just how much effort the authorities will go into investigating it.