Gitmo Gift Shop Gets Brit Reporter’s Goat

By see-dubya  •  May 4, 2008 12:39 PM

I love it. The merchandise is a little tacky, but its effect on preening Euro-weenies is priceless:

But it is the souvenirs that have led to the greatest criticism. One T-shirt from the gift shop is decorated with a guard tower and barbed wire. It reads: “The Taliban Towers at Guantanamo Bay, the Caribbean’s Newest 5-star Resort.”

Another praises “the proud protectors of freedom”. A third displays a garish picture of an iguana and states: “Greetings from paradise GTMO resort and spa fun in the Cuban sun.”

A child-sized shirt says: “Someone who loves me got me this T-shirt in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.”

There are mugs inscribed with “kisses from Guantanamo” and “Honor Bound To Defend Freedom”.

The Guantanamo holiday trade was exposed by Zachary Katznelson, a British-based human rights lawyer and spokesman for Reprieve, the group leading the international campaign against the camp.

They even have a…gasp, sputter, harrumph…a “Wal-Mart supermarket” for the base personnel. Wal-Mart plus Gitmo has, for some reason, the same effect on liberals that a “MY IMMIGRANT VAGINA IS ANGRY” sign has on conservatives–shock, bemusement, sadness, faint nausea.

Any MM.com readers want to wear one of those shirts in Berkeley? Please let us know so we can get pictures. Also, please include the contact info for your next of kin.

Let’s be honest: this article is just an excuse for the sleazy leftist tabloid, the Daily Mail (which is sort of a Guardian for council-housed mouthbreathers) to quote a Gitmo lawyer and reprint his anti-Gitmo bill of particulars. [See correction below] Hey, Daily Mail, read this and get back to me with your finely-calibrated sense of outrage.

Actually, one of their few substantive complaints is that we prevent hunger-striking inmates from starving themselves to death by force feeding them, and apparently, if what the terrorists tell their lawyers is true (and terrorists would never lie), someone wasn’t too careful about wiping the feeding tube between hunger-striking terrorists and may have committed an inadvertent terrorist-snot transfusion.

When Gitmo detainees commit suicide, it’s America’s fault. When we prevent them from starving themselves to death, it’s…America’s fault.

It’s a shame that the Left has sunk so much of its capital in trying to prove that Gitmo and CIA overseas interrogation are clandestine Dachaus. Abuses and atrocities are, rarely and regrettably, committed by our side in cases like Abu Ghraib, and a decent, principled Left would have saved its outrage for the cases when it really counted, and thus acted as a conscience to check our worst martial impulses. Instead, their incessant, discredited cries of “torture!” and “Gulag!” have faded into one long undifferentiated drone that lulls us to sleep instead of waking us up.

And their disingenuous pleas that their clients are just Osama’s driver (who was driving a car loaded with surface-to-air missiles), or poor wayward lambs swept up by bounty hunters (who, when released, revert to suicide-bombing in Iraq) are wearing thin.

The Left has cried nothing but Wolf since the war started, and it’s hard to take their outrage seriously anymore, if ever we did.

CORRECTION: The Daily Mail is a tabloid, but it’s not the leftist one I was thinking of–that’s the Mirror. The Daily Mail’s pretty conservative by British standards. In any case, they’re being ridiculous about this. Oh, a souvenir shop! Gasp! Wal-Mart! No wonder I thought I was reading the Mirror.

As for the Daily Mail’s accusations of Gitmo snot transfusions, commenter Stashiu3 (who worked as a psych nurse at Gitmo, and knows a thing or two about how force-feeding was done, and is not a terrorist detainee nor a lawyer for one) sets the record straight:

The tubes for feeding are never used on different people and are disposable. The Daily Mail did their usual fact-checking there.

Stashiu blogs here, by the way. Pay him a visit and give him a hand if you can.

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  1. #310666
    On May 4th, 2008 at 12:47 pm, ajmontana said:

    Any MM.com readers want to wear one of those shirts in Berkeley? Please let us know so we can get pictures. Also, please include the contact info for your next of kin.

    ha! good one, what would they do, hit you with their purse? lmao

  2. #310670
    On May 4th, 2008 at 12:53 pm, zorro said:

    I would love to see Angela Levin do a report from the Islamic area of Birmingham England without a veil covering her face.

  3. #310673
    On May 4th, 2008 at 12:54 pm, xplodeit said:

    I love it. The merchandise is a little tacky, but its effect on preening Euro-weenies is priceless

    It is funny listening to them whine.

  4. #310676
    On May 4th, 2008 at 12:58 pm, Flar said:

    a “Wal-Mart supermarket” for the base personnel.

    An actual Wl-Mart, or a commissary/Navy Exchange store?

    There is a difference.

  5. #310677
    On May 4th, 2008 at 12:59 pm, mbruce said:

    I live near Berzerkeley, gone in wearing an “LGF Anti-Idiotarian” shirt, no one bothers, me gotta get me one of these.
    Unless they are in a pre-planned group, the moonbats are total wusses.period.

  6. #310678
    On May 4th, 2008 at 12:59 pm, Cicero said:

    Suck it up, you prancing little European capitulationists. We hold our enemies captive and we joke about it.

  7. #310679
    On May 4th, 2008 at 1:00 pm, dejack said:

    Is there a way to buy these mailorder? I’ll get a photo of myself in front of the Berkley USMC recruiting office wearing it and post it here.

  8. #310690
    On May 4th, 2008 at 1:20 pm, pgtips said:

    Daily Mail isn’t leftist. Not really anyway. Ah screw it, this is Britain we’re talking about and it’s hard to tell left from right -.-

  9. #310695
    On May 4th, 2008 at 1:30 pm, tuffy said:

    Ghoulish and sick souvenirs!?! Oh, please! How weak are these people?

    If my bf were deployed to Gitmo, I would appreciate a lighthearted souvenir or two. It’s reassuring. I’m getting bupkis out of Iraq.

    I could see adding a Gitmo tee to my ‘let’s make the soccer moms apopletic’ collection.

  10. #310696
    On May 4th, 2008 at 1:32 pm, Tantor said:

    I, for one, am outraged, OUTRAGED, that Gitmo would set up a souvenir shop selling items that openly mock and ridicule its Muslim terrorist prisoners and not even open an online store where I can buy them.

    I’m writing my congressman NOW!

  11. #310698
    On May 4th, 2008 at 1:37 pm, marries101 said:

    Michelle, you have made many ignorant comments in your time, but describing the Daily Mail as ‘Leftist’ is perhaps your personal best. The fact that even the Mail – indeed a sleazy tabloid, but one that anyone other than what you might describe as a ‘mouthbreather’ knows to be strongly and viciously right wing – manages to be outraged at US conduct at Guantanamo is itself a sign of just how outrageous the administration of the camp remains.

    When even the Daily Mail is against you, you know you’re loony tunes.

  12. #310700
    On May 4th, 2008 at 1:44 pm, atxcowgirl said:

    Capitalism at work!

    I see there are no comments to their article. Where’s the outrage.

  13. #310701
    On May 4th, 2008 at 1:44 pm, jimC said:

    Suck it up, you prancing little European capitulationists. We hold our enemies captive and we joke about it.

    cicero #6, ROTFLMAO! That’s good.

    Now, as far as the supposed abuses and torture that took place at Abu Ghraib; see-dubya, I’ve got to disagree with you. Those guys weren’t tortured and they weren’t abused. At worst, they were embarassed, humiliated, and made uncomfortable by being placed in hot and or cold rooms, and made to stay awake for 24-36 hours. Really, we need to better define what constitutes torture, because there are a lot of guys from the Vietnam war and WW II that would laugh at the idea that what we’re doing now constitutes torture.

    Jim C

  14. #310703
    On May 4th, 2008 at 1:48 pm, DirkBelig said:

    When I saw the headline, I thought, “What’s Brit Hume’s problem with Gitmo?” Perhaps change that to “British Reporter’s”?

  15. #310704
    On May 4th, 2008 at 1:49 pm, Stashiu3 said:

    The tubes for feeding are never used on different people and are disposable. The Daily Mail did their usual fact-checking there. I defer to marries101 as to expertise on what is “sleazy”.

  16. #310705
    On May 4th, 2008 at 1:51 pm, SHoward said:

    um, marries101, for those of us that don’t read the Mail, could you possibly link a story to back up your point? I’m not disagreeing, just asking.

    And see-dubya made the post…..

  17. #310708
    On May 4th, 2008 at 2:07 pm, marries101 said:

    my mistake on the authorship of the post – should have looked harder.

    showard – sure thing. try http://www.mediauk.com/article/4 or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Mail#Editorial_stance

    i know neither of these are completely authoritative, but i can assure you that anyone with even a passing knowledge of the uk media would be highly amused to see the Mail labelled ‘leftist’.

  18. #310711
    On May 4th, 2008 at 2:16 pm, skullzero said:

    Just for everyone’s info there is not a Wal-Mart in GTMO. I don’t want the KOS kids to go crazy out there. There is a Navy Exchange, which is on every Navy base. The profit from all Exchanges goes back to Morale programs for Sailors and Marines. I have been to GTMO about 5 times now and always bring back a nice GTMO souvenir for my wife. Cheers.

  19. #310713
    On May 4th, 2008 at 2:23 pm, Fat Jolly Penguin said:

    On May 4, 2008 at 1:44 PM, atxcowgirl said:
    Capitalism at work!

    Rush is getting a bit of competition here, methinks.

  20. #310714
    On May 4th, 2008 at 2:24 pm, nraendowment said:

    Do they have an online store?

  21. #310715
    On May 4th, 2008 at 2:25 pm, amerpun said:

    the sickest souvenir shop in the world

    I take it the author hasn’t been to the Chairman Mao tributary store immediately following the viewing of his corpse. And yes, it actually exists at the Mao mausoleum.

  22. #310716
    On May 4th, 2008 at 2:27 pm, alexwest said:

    ha! good one, what would they do, hit you with their purse? lmao

    They are “European Carry-Alls”, thank you very much.

  23. #310717
    On May 4th, 2008 at 2:28 pm, Stashiu3 said:

    Also, guards do not do tube-feeding, only nurses and doctors. Lubrication is always used too, not only is it easier to place the tube, our docs and nurses aren’t idiots. Abusing a patient, even if they hate you, can cost you your license if nothing else.

    None of those claims even make sense. Detainees assault nurses and docs even when guards are right there. Of course they’re restrained. It’s so the detainee stays safe (placing a tube with a combative patient might tear a turbinate or septum), protects the medical staff and guards from assaults, and positions the detainee to help prevent aspiration or other complications, including the detainee pulling out the tube.

    Yet the Daily Mail repeats all this propaganda as fact. Idiots.

  24. #310719
    On May 4th, 2008 at 2:34 pm, sausage said:

    When even the Daily Mail is against you, you know you’re loony tunes.

    Hear hear… but that’s the American far right for you… they think they are normal and everyone else must be a bleeding heart liberal.

    Thankfully Gitmo will close soon under the new administration…

  25. #310723
    On May 4th, 2008 at 2:38 pm, exitus said:

    Has anyone seen Charlie Daniels’ take on Gitmo? I’m going to try and post it (I hope I’m not breaking any rules, and that I quote it right, never tried the quote thing before).

    The truth of the matter is that this operation is under a microscope. The
    Red Cross has an on-site presence there and watches everything that goes
    on very closely. The media is not telling you the whole truth about what’s
    going on over there. The truth is that these scum bags are not only being
    treated humanely, but they are probably better off, healthwise and
    medically, than they’ve ever been in their lives. They are fed well, able
    to take showers and receive state of the art medical care, and have their
    own Moslem chaplain. I saw several of them in a field hospital ward where
    they were being treated in a state of the art medical facility.

    God Bless America Charlie Daniels Copyright 2002 Charlie Daniels

    EDITED BY SEE-DUB: Exitus, you did the quoting right, and I’m a big Charlie Daniels fan. But we’d rather you just post a short snippet of an article rather than the whole thing, and then link to the original (which is here). It’s a lot to scroll past in the comments thread, and we also don’t want to run into any copyright claims by the writers of the articles. Very short snippets are OK under “fair use” doctrine.

    By the way, for those of you who haven’t tried linking yet, type your comment, and then highlight the words you want to turn into a hyperlink. Go up and hit that little link button on top of the comment window. A new window pops up that says “Enter the URL”, and you type in (or just paste in) the URL of the thing you’re trying to link to, and click OK. Then preview and submit your comment.

    Two warnings: the popup window comes with an http:// already there, so make sure you don’t have two http://’s or you link won’t work. Also, if you have two or more links in one comment, you run the risk of having your comment go into the “moderation queue” where it will remain until Michelle or I happen to see it and rescue it. Which may be a long time.

  26. #310726
    On May 4th, 2008 at 2:44 pm, Stashiu3 said:

    Thankfully Gitmo will close soon under the new administration…

    Gitmo won’t close… there is talk about closing Camp Delta, but that is unlikely to close anytime soon either. The Dems campaign rhetoric rarely matches their behavior if they sucker enough people to actually win an election.

  27. #310728
    On May 4th, 2008 at 2:54 pm, DagneyT said:

    I love my Camp Gitmo T-shirt from Rush Limbaugh! I love the comments I get on it, too. But then, I live in Texas where it is safe to love America (except in Austin).

  28. #310729
    On May 4th, 2008 at 2:55 pm, DagneyT said:

    Michelle, you have made many ignorant comments in your time, but describing the Daily Mail as ‘Leftist’ is perhaps your personal best. The fact that even the Mail – indeed a sleazy tabloid, but one that anyone other than what you might describe as a ‘mouthbreather’ knows to be strongly and viciously right wing – manages to be outraged at US conduct at Guantanamo is itself a sign of just how outrageous the administration of the camp remains.

    marries101, you might want to check out who actually wrote the post at MM.com, before you make yourself look more of an idiot than the rest of your post did!

  29. #310733
    On May 4th, 2008 at 3:15 pm, The_Livewire said:

    Too late for that I fear Dagney T.

    marries101, sausage, I assume you’ll agrtee with me that we should treat the non-uniformed enemy combatants as we are allowed to under Geneva?

    I’m all for shooting htem in the field as well, less papertwork that way.

  30. #310738
    On May 4th, 2008 at 3:21 pm, amerpun said:

    Thankfully Gitmo will close soon under the new administration…

    Yeah, thankfully all of those terrorists will soon be out of captivity and in our prisons or set free. That’ll be a relief.

    Because, as you know, they’re plenty safe to have out in public.

  31. #310739
    On May 4th, 2008 at 3:22 pm, amerpun said:

    The_Livewire,

    Yes, they should’ve definitely be treated as such. Can I be the one to place one of them against a wall and pull the trigger?

  32. #310746
    On May 4th, 2008 at 3:48 pm, poteen said:

    I spent a couple of weeks near Cuba in the Cayman Islands, at about the same latitude, in the month of July,and never once saw anything but pleasant weather.
    While I’m sure it can get hot, it’s hardly Death Valley.
    I love the dramatic license these so-called “journalists” use to snipe at better men than them.

  33. #310747
    On May 4th, 2008 at 3:48 pm, Romeo13 said:

    Sigh, this is no different than every other PX in the world… they all have “touristy” type T-shirts and stuff to take home to the folks when you get back…

    Its for the guys stationed there… the ones who are PROUD of what they are doing, you know, that whole serving your country thing?

    Crap, you should see some of the T’shirts I got from D. Storm and such.

  34. #310752
    On May 4th, 2008 at 4:00 pm, dreid said:

    I wonder how many people who are outraged by GTMO selling souvenirs own Che t-shirts? Che executed over 180 people and was responsible for the deaths of thousands more. Only a handful of prisoners have died at GTMO by natural causes or suicide. None have been killed by US personel.

  35. #310754
    On May 4th, 2008 at 4:06 pm, feebiebabe said:

    #34 – spot on. Not to mention he and Castro headed the real “Gulags” of South America. Accusations that Gitmo is a Gulag is just plain insulting…

  36. #310761
    On May 4th, 2008 at 4:16 pm, pakurilecz said:

    Does the gift shop have a website?

  37. #310764
    On May 4th, 2008 at 4:25 pm, ErikTheRed said:

    Seriously. Must. Have.

  38. #310768
    On May 4th, 2008 at 4:31 pm, docflash said:

    “Thankfully Gitmo will close soon under the new administration…”

    The people in prison in this country should be in a rage.The terrorist at Gitmo are treated better and have better conditions than they do.Most of the prisoners here don’t want to kill every American either.It’s obvious some of the new posters here are afflicted with BDS and guess what,there is no cure.

  39. #310769
    On May 4th, 2008 at 4:32 pm, Stashiu3 said:

    Does the gift shop have a website?

    I wish they did. My Dad broke one of the coffee cups I got him and I need to get it replaced. He has a spare, but it’s his favorite.

  40. #310774
    On May 4th, 2008 at 4:46 pm, Boomer said:

    Just like any other military installation I have been TDY to in my travels they have unique items to the duty station. In all my time associated with the military there is always one entrepreneur that has developed t-shirts or other souvenir items that normally go to charitable causes. Some items are duty station, unit, or weapon system specific normally with a GIs sense of humor reflected in the theme. Leave it to the liberal left to get their panties in a bunch over nothing. I would hate to see their reaction to the “Now it’s Miller Time” t-shirt (mushroom cloud with a B-52 or FB-111 in front of it) I used to have back in my SAC days. I wouldn’t mind getting my hands on some of the gear myself, but don’t see being able to book a flight into GITMO any time in the near future.

  41. #310786
    On May 4th, 2008 at 5:14 pm, ScoopPC11 said:

    I have a GTMO t-shirt from when my brother was stationed there briefly towards the end of his Navy years. It’s one of my favorite t-shirts, and I’d never give it up.

  42. #310787
    On May 4th, 2008 at 5:18 pm, brooklyn red said:

    I live near Ft.Greene Park in Brooklyn where the tomb & memorial for the Prison Ship Martyrs is located.

    To those who never learned about it in school, during the Revolutionary War British forces abandoned over ELEVEN THOUSAND Colonial (that means American) prisoners to starve to death in their cells on the prison ships in NY harbor. It’s a fact, look it up. (Mostly all men by the way, the women were held on other ships for other reasons).

    So the next time some Brit wants to be in your business, please feel free to remind them of this fact.

    just sayin.

  43. #310798
    On May 4th, 2008 at 5:37 pm, JimC214 said:

    Then of course there’s what the Brits did during the Sepoy revolt. Tying some one to the front of a cannon and then firing it off is torture. Putting panties on some ones head isn’t.

  44. #310810
    On May 4th, 2008 at 5:56 pm, foxforce91 said:

    #34
    On May 4th, 2008 at 4:00 pm, dreid said:

    Sausage has one and wears it proudly; after all, he saw “The Motorcycle Diaries” a bunch of times. Isn’t that all one needs to do to be educated on a subject?

  45. #310813
    On May 4th, 2008 at 5:57 pm, wild thing2 said:

    LOL too funny, they sure love to whine.

    I would love to buy the Taliban Towers t-shirt. haha

  46. #310823
    On May 4th, 2008 at 6:09 pm, ttevolla said:

    Boomer, as a civvie growing up next to the AFB I have heard the term TDY and had a general understanding of the term. My question is what does it stand for?
    Temporary DutY?

  47. #310825
    On May 4th, 2008 at 6:21 pm, Jim M. said:

    While I would not call the the Daly Mail a liberal tabloid, I would not call Angela Levin a conservative either. She is a gossip and human interest writer for the Mail (tough to find a conservative willing to do that). She is also doing an autobiography on Max Clifford. Mr. Clifford has taken up the cause of one of the GITMO detainees via his association with the detainee’s brother in the UK. I suspect she has imbibed copiously from the Clifford Kool Aid Terrorist Sippy Cup, having already formed a rather negative view of GITMO prior to her arrival. Based on her association with Clifford, I suspect she is a firm believer in the rights of terrorists.

    If she thinks GITMO is bad, I would challenge her to visit some of the UK’s maximum security institutions in her spare time. They make GITMO look like Club Med. I would also challenge her to do some research on the activities of GITMO prisoners who have been released. I am sure she would be SHOCKED at their post incarceration ventures.

    I am certain that all those clamoring to shut down GITMO would be more than happy to house them in their own communities.

    Most folks have no idea what caliber of life is behind bars at GITMO. These men are among the most barbaric the world has ever seen, and they think nothing of human life.

  48. #310826
    On May 4th, 2008 at 6:21 pm, Stashiu3 said:

    Yes, TDY is Temporary Duty. When the company clerk used to annotate status on morning reports, they used it to account for personnel not in ranks. Same for AWOL, SIQ (Sick In Quarters), etc… There were some differences between the services and they would occasionally be changed, but TDY has become common for all branches.

  49. #310836
    On May 4th, 2008 at 6:51 pm, Boomer said:

    On May 4th, 2008 at 6:09 pm, ttevolla said:
    Boomer, as a civvie growing up next to the AFB I have heard the term TDY and had a general understanding of the term.

    Sorry about using the military acronyms guess I have been around them too long. In June I turn 51 and that’s about how long I have been around the Air Force. TDY does mean “Temporary Duty” although I did meet a Flight Surgeon once that called it “Traveling Drunk and Yodeling.” :D

  50. #310837
    On May 4th, 2008 at 6:54 pm, MCPO Airdale said:

    I know several people, including myself, that have left comments on the Mail’s website for this story. Not a single one has been approved. It still says “zero comments”.

    Cowards.

  51. #310839
    On May 4th, 2008 at 6:57 pm, winemkr said:

    This sort of tripe makes me want to become an isolationist.

    Luckily I have the luxury of common sense and the deeply embedded and uniquely American ability to forgive those who could NEVER exist without our generous support of freedom and liberty.

    Having said that. I’m getting very bored with those who hate and blame America first.

  52. #310841
    On May 4th, 2008 at 7:01 pm, MCPO Airdale said:

    Stashiu3 – In the Navy and Marine Corps it is “TAD”. Temporary Assigned Duty or, in the vernacular, “Traveling Around Drunk”.

  53. #310845
    On May 4th, 2008 at 7:03 pm, secondsight said:

    Abu Ghraib = what happens when you activate National Guard troops who are specializing in the jobs that they had at home; those prison guards were as civilians just that — sadists with government jobs*.

    *Not looked at much, cause who knows which flavor (Dem, Rep) they were. (yeah, right.)

    MSM flunked the most basic of follow-ups of Abu G, who were these people and where were they before active duty. That would have been the real story and it disappeared in BDS.

  54. #310847
    On May 4th, 2008 at 7:09 pm, Stashiu3 said:

    In the Navy and Marine Corps it is “TAD”. Temporary Assigned Duty or, in the vernacular, “Traveling Around Drunk”.

    That must mean every squid and jarhead I’ve had the pleasure of meeting speaks dogface. ;)

    Thanks for the correction. I learned something new.

    :)

  55. #310848
    On May 4th, 2008 at 7:10 pm, sausage said:

    If she thinks GITMO is bad, I would challenge her to visit some of the UK’s maximum security institutions in her spare time

    You are not possibly suggesting that inmates in UK prisons have no access to legal counsel are you?

    These men are among the most barbaric the world has ever seen, and they think nothing of human life.

    But even the Devil himself should be given access to a lawyer…

  56. #310850
    On May 4th, 2008 at 7:19 pm, Stashiu3 said:

    You are not possibly suggesting that inmates in UK prisons have no access to legal counsel are you?

    Are you suggesting that detainees don’t have access to lawyers?

    But even the Devil himself should be given access to a lawyer…

    I guess you are. You’re absolutely wrong though. Where do you think all the publicity comes from? Did you even read the article? Who was interviewed? The lawyer for the detainee.

  57. #310874
    On May 4th, 2008 at 8:09 pm, SHoward said:

    Snausage,

    Not only do you appear to be wrong about the detainees having access to a lawyer, but you seem to have missed the point that Jim M. was making and inserted your own.

    If she thinks GITMO is bad, I would challenge her to visit some of the UK’s maximum security institutions in her spare time. They make GITMO look like Club Med.

    He was clearing stating that Gitmo had very favorable conditions compared to a typical max security prison.

  58. #310889
    On May 4th, 2008 at 9:15 pm, Gabe said:

    Sausage cares so much about the “rights” of Taliban Muslims who would like to kill him and every American and Jew.

    To him, terrorists should have lawyers, be moved into the Kansas City metro area (Fort Leavenworth), then not get convicted because of a liberal judge, and then be set free among Americans to plot a new terrorist attack.

    This is why terrorists so badly want Democrats in charge.

    The tubes for feeding are never used on different people and are disposable. The Daily Mail did their usual fact-checking there.

    Even so, who cares if they are or not? Liberals are such cry-babies. The real reason that they sympathize so much with these terrorists is because they hate America as much as the terrorists do. At the same time, I bet these hypocrites are pro-choice. Innocent life is expendible, but the lives ofterrorists are sacred.

  59. #310892
    On May 4th, 2008 at 9:22 pm, SHoward said:

    He was clearing clearly stating that Gitmo had very favorable conditions compared to a typical max security prison.

    And I previewed multiple times as I fixed other errors…this is my brain off food….

  60. #310916
    On May 4th, 2008 at 10:12 pm, CO2 Producer said:

    Just yards from the shelves of specially branded mugs and cuddly toys, nearly 300 “enemy combatants” lie sweltering in a waking nightmare.

    “Nearly 300″ can be rephrased as “fewer than 300,” which could totally change the tone of the story. All this whining for less than 300 of the worst of the worst, while our national security is at stake? Forgive me if I leave my violin in its case.

    So the term “enemy combatants” should be in quotes, eh? Do you think we abducted some random Arabian-looking dudes who were simply strolling down the street, minding their own business?

    Show of hands: does anyone believe that Guantanamo is a five-star resort? (Yes, yes, I see you, John McCain circa 1968.) Sure, it’s all-inclusive, but five stars? No. Prisons normally aren’t.

    I have yet to hear of anything that our soldiers have done that constitutes the real meaning of torture at Guantanamo. Cold air, hot air, isolation, pretending to fly prisoners to Egypt? Well, slap my Koran in the toilet an’ call me peaceful! What – no ocean view? Oh, the humanity!

    So we should pretend there is no war on terrorism, apparently. Tell that to the nearly (ah, there’s that word again) 3000 US citizens that were killed on 9/11 by terrorists on our very own soil. Tell that to the 4000+ US soldiers that have given their lives to fight the radical Muslims.

    The terrorists have changed the rules. The US has to evolve accordingly and remain steadfast in the face of bleeding hearts who think that holding prisoners in Guantanamo equates to inhuman torture.

    “God Bless America” and “Honor Bound to Defend Freedom” coffee mugs must seem pretty sick and ghoulish…to our enemies. If you are sensitive to our enemies’ delicate fortitude, the souvenirs will appear to be in poor taste. Please note, however, that our soldiers are the targeted demographic of these souvenirs. They understand who our enemy is. I’ve seen the enemy, and we are not it. Guantanamo-haters revel in their righteousness, but they don’t comprehend how naive they sound.

    Here’s some re-enlightenment: Never. Ever. Forget.

    Hope you don’t mind the links, Michelle and see-dubya. Just trying to drive my point home. Thanks to you both for your hard work. Thanks to Stashiu3 for your perspective from the inside. Words cannot begin to express the gratitude we owe our soldiers.

  61. #310919
    On May 4th, 2008 at 10:18 pm, Revchuck said:

    On May 4th, 2008 at 7:03 pm, secondsight said:
    Abu Ghraib = what happens when you activate National Guard troops who are specializing in the jobs that they had at home; those prison guards were as civilians just that — sadists with government jobs*.

    Well, not exactly. They were Army Reserve clerks and mechanics who were left without competent supervision.

    They knew, through the training they received starting in Basic Training and continuing through their pre-deployment training, that what they were doing was wrong. They just thought they could get away with it.

    The fact that thousands of other Soldiers had the opportunity to do the same kind of thing, and *didn’t*, is far more significant.

  62. #310920
    On May 4th, 2008 at 10:18 pm, blogagog said:

    HAH! “inadvertent terrorist-snot transfusion” Oh, the humanity!

  63. #310925
    On May 4th, 2008 at 10:39 pm, Jim M. said:

    The inmates at GITMO are not criminals. They are terrorists, or more specifically, enemy combatants.

    Until the US decided to voluntarily extend the protections of the Geneva Conventions, those protections did not apply. They were not captured in the uniform of a signatory to the Conventions. They could have been treated as spies.

    The rules of war and not the rules of criminal procedure apply here. As enemy combatants, even under the Geneva Conventions, they can be held without trial until the end of hostilities. The concept of a “trial” prior to the end of a conflict is one of criminal law and not one of armed combat.

    If this offends other countries, then so be it. They have not suffered the loss of human life and property that we have seen here. Perhaps if they did, they would see things differently. Or perhaps they believe making appeasing gestures to terrorists will placate them into attacking another country. The seed of Neville Chamberlin lives on.

  64. #310926
    On May 4th, 2008 at 10:41 pm, doubleplusundead said:

    I love watching Stash smack down leftists when they rant inanely about Gitmo.

  65. #310931
    On May 4th, 2008 at 11:06 pm, Stashiu3 said:

    Hey dpud! Somebody has to… they’re just so mind-numbingly wrong all the time. How do they expect to have a discussion when they don’t have one.single.fact? Are left-wing sites such echo-chambers that all enemy propaganda is taken at face-value?

  66. #310939
    On May 4th, 2008 at 11:28 pm, SHoward said:

    Are left-wing sites such echo-chambers that all enemy propaganda is taken at face-value?

    Umm, yeah, Stash, they are. And yet various assorted Trolls say that about us. Go figure…

  67. #310940
    On May 4th, 2008 at 11:33 pm, doubleplusundead said:

    Stash, I don’t really think they’re interested in discussion, they’re interested in making the other side shut up and comply with what they want.

  68. #310950
    On May 5th, 2008 at 12:15 am, Stashiu3 said:

    I just noticed (mostly because dpud gave me a friendly *thwack* in the back of the head, lol) that See-Dubya put me in an update! Thanks very much Sir for the mention. It was very unexpected and is greatly appreciated.

  69. #310988
    On May 5th, 2008 at 4:45 am, PatFox said:

    The daily mail publishing an opinion piece containing dubuious factual content? Almost as if they’re, I don’t know, just trying to sell sheets, and have no scruples in how they do so?

    Who’d have guessed!?!
    [/sarcasm]

    ;)

  70. #310989
    On May 5th, 2008 at 6:00 am, Mojamaiko said:

    Not to disenchant any of the Anglophiles here, but please note that the British Tory Right is frequently just as, and occasionally even more viciously anti-American, than the Labourite Left.

    As proud new-American Hitchens pointed out in the City Journal awhile back, senior Tories have been among the most egregious practitioners of anti-American demagoguery.

    It’s a straightforward case of loss-of-empire penis envy.

    Hence, they’re usually the “respected” ones who loftily sneer at our supposed ignorant, clodhopping incompetence as a nation and a people …. you know, where we lack “nuance” in the fine art of waging wars, fighting battles, ruling conquered lands, and handling both natives and captives in the proper pip-pip-hooray “hearts-and-minds” British way.

    You’ll oft find as much perniciously ignorant and prejudicial anti-Americanism in the “toff” UK Times or the right-ish UK Telegraph as in the Commie Grauniad or moonbat Aunty Beeb, albeit a bit more finessed journalistically.

    It’s really too bad that Drudge single-handedly revived the fortunes of Fleet Street by his hyper-links to the London press. That’s why they adore him, and of course, he quite loves them right back, openly declaring his great esteem for Fleet Street journalism.

    The flood of trans-Atlantic traffic to the Guardian, the Independent/Observer, the Times, the Telegraph, and especially the BBC websites have given each of them a supplemental American readership in the millions that matches or betters their domestic audiences. This surplus of new overseas adherents have occasioned the hatching of strategic business plans by each of these outlets fostering a determination to further conquer the rich American media market via the Web, or in the case of the Beeb, outright purchase of American media outlets, or alliances with like-minded entities like the NY Times. Haven’t you wondered why your knowledge cable channels (especially the Discovery Family of Networks) have gone so blatantly, advocatively “progressive” recently?

    And just remember, the floodgates to Brit-like journalistic hackery in the US started when the National Enquirer started hiring British flacks a couple of decades ago; soon practically every name-brand US medium had hired its own set of British journos, with their destructive orientation toward opinion-based advocacy journalism. And of course, the inclusion of any Brit accent only added credible “tone” to the American Left’s journo-speak, clinching the decay of America’s MSM venues.

    A second throw-over of American forelock-tugging to spiteful Britannia is in order and way overdue, I believe.

  71. #311097
    On May 5th, 2008 at 9:50 am, Insomniac said:

    Anybody know how we civilians can get our hands on some of this stuff? Great stuff, and that it rankles the Eurowankers is even better!

  72. #311147
    On May 5th, 2008 at 10:25 am, sausage said:

    Not to disenchant any of the Anglophiles here, but please note that the British Tory Right is frequently just as, and occasionally even more viciously anti-American, than the Labourite Left.

    Baloney.. being against some of the policies of Bush and the far right does not mean they are anti-American

  73. #311170
    On May 5th, 2008 at 10:45 am, wolverine20 said:

    Is the shop seperate from the base we have maintained in Guantanamo? IE, we’ve had a Naval base there for over a century, and will long after any military detention camp might close. From the desription of some of the items sold in the shop, they sound like general GITMO stuff, versus those that might make reference to the the detention portion. If the shop does serve all of GITMO, isn’t it just like someone holding anti-American views to reduce all of GITMO to the detention camp??

  74. #311171
    On May 5th, 2008 at 10:46 am, Stashiu3 said:

    sausage,

    Anything to say about the lawyer issue? Or is that no longer a topic for you?

  75. #311256
    On May 5th, 2008 at 11:38 am, keltoi said:

    Is the shop seperate from the base we have maintained in Guantanamo? IE, we’ve had a Naval base there for over a century, and will long after any military detention camp might close. From the desription of some of the items sold in the shop, they sound like general GITMO stuff, versus those that might make reference to the the detention portion. If the shop does serve all of GITMO, isn’t it just like someone holding anti-American views to reduce all of GITMO to the detention camp??

    It serves all of Gitmo, to include the civilians who are employed there. I brought back several of the items described in the article after serving as Company Commander at Camp Delta in 2004-2005.

    Its just another in a long line of stories drumming up hate and discontent about Camp Delta.

  76. #311375
    On May 5th, 2008 at 12:40 pm, palladin said:

    I tried submitting a comment on their web site. Tastful pointing out that every single Militiary base sells shirts with their name on it.

    It still has not shown up as a comment. NEITHER HAS ANY OTHER COMMENT. The paper appears to approve them before they are posted, apparently none of them are thought to be worth while.

  77. #312157
    On May 5th, 2008 at 7:27 pm, ct davis said:

    I have to live in the middle of this stuff.. Europe is paralyzed by a majority of people who take the printed (and broadcast) word as gospel. I challenge anyone in the UK to tell me the difference in treatment by the US towards these prisoners of war and the UK in 1940 when they sent Nazi pilots to Canada for an indefinite period without the protection of legal process. Is it because the Nazis wanted to kill every Jew they saw (who does that sound like?) or is it because they bombed London (I wonder who else bombed London?)? I am not defending either the Nazi Fascists or the Islamo-Fascists, but the reprehensible two faced ideoligy by the left in Britain is so obvious. I wonder if Labour is currently asking themselves the same thing that the Dems did when they were defeated in 1994: “I wonder why the voters didn’t get our message?” Well guess what my Leftist Commie friends – the voters did and have been getting your message – and they didn’t like the result. It is once again a Conservative’s time to correct the mistakes of the left wing. Thatcher did a fine job and was screwed over for it – Just like Churchill was and, for that matter, just like Blair was when he made the sensible decision to back his nation’s best ally. Brown ran away from Iraq and points a finger at the US when the old British sector goes to pot.. We told you so.

    The British left (sadly, most of them)seem to feel that thier ability to be pompass outweighs the common sense of thier two time betters and two time saviours (British spelling for effect). Once again, a great nation hijacked by the left. Maybe the right will come back (unless Labour takes a Zimbabwean tack..)

    Ain’t it funny that almost all of Europe has taken a turn to the right in the last few years..

  78. #312759
    On May 6th, 2008 at 11:23 am, twofoot said:

    I figure it won’t be long until some of these are showing up on Ebay. Here’s hoping anyway.

  79. #313374
    On May 6th, 2008 at 6:50 pm, The_Livewire said:

    Well, since snaussage and Marissa don’t want to reply, apparently they don’t believe in Geneva either

  80. #316170
    On May 9th, 2008 at 9:08 am, mytake said:

    On a recent trip to Borneo I found a Bic lighter that was a replica of the Twin Towers. When you lit it, flames shot out the top of the buildings. Tell the British tabloid about this Muslim humor.

  81. #316175
    On May 9th, 2008 at 9:12 am, mytake said:

    Borneo is one of the “moderate” Muslim countries.

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